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nc redsfan
02-20-2006, 09:10 PM
Since we just got one former Oakland A's player, why not keep the trend going. How about Dunn for Barry Zito,and they have a relief pitcher, I can;t remember his name. He was 1-5 last year but he had 73 strike outs in 63 innings pitched. Maybe somebody knows who I'm talking about. Oakland has always been facinated with power hitting outfielders (Jose Canseco, & Mark Maguire) Any thoughts out there on this idea?

dougdirt
02-20-2006, 09:12 PM
Mark McGwire was not an outfielder. I dont see this trade happening.

Freddie_Free
02-20-2006, 09:15 PM
Oakland has always been facinated with power hitting outfielders (Jose Canseco, & Mark Maguire) Any thoughts out there on this idea?

Billy Beane is a whole different beast.

11BarryLarkin11
02-20-2006, 09:31 PM
The A's are set for 2006. I think they are SERIOUS World Series contenders this season. The only missing piece that I can see would be a top notch lefthanded reliever. But, I don't think they'll be making any major trades that would subtract from their major league talent. If anything, they'll be adding to it.

Dealing Hudson and Mulder was a stroke of genius by Beane. And, he hasn't even gotten much out of the Hudson deal yet.

If you want to trade Dunn to the A's, then I want Beane in return. ;)

RedLegSuperStar
02-20-2006, 09:43 PM
Why go and deal Dunn for Zito, when BZ will be a free agent at seasons end?

Mario-Rijo
02-20-2006, 10:20 PM
No! :devil:

Krusty
02-21-2006, 02:04 AM
Want a trade idea?

Reds trade OF Austin Kearns, LHP Kent Mercker and a prospect to Cleveland for LHP C.C. Sabathia.

Opinions?

WVRedsFan
02-21-2006, 02:16 AM
Want a trade idea?

Reds trade OF Austin Kearns, LHP Kent Mercker and a prospect to Cleveland for LHP C.C. Sabathia.

Opinions?

Ah, a flashback to the days when "'Ol Krusty" used to offer up trade ideas,

I like it a lot. Heck, he's already got the hat, or so I hear. :D

KronoRed
02-21-2006, 02:53 AM
Never been impressed with Sabathia..no thanks.

bianchiveloce
02-21-2006, 07:23 AM
Want a trade idea?

Reds trade OF Austin Kearns, LHP Kent Mercker and a prospect to Cleveland for LHP C.C. Sabathia.

Opinions?

From Marc Lancaster's blog, Mr. Castellini responding about moving the fences back: On the question he may have heard more than any other since taking over (which we didn't ask him today): "The question has been asked so many times, ‘Can you lengthen the ballpark at Great American Ball Park?’ You’d take a few thousand fans out and spend a fortune. You’ve just got to play the game the way it’s got to be played."

With the Great American Ball Park (GABP), being more favorable for Home Run/power hitters, the Reds need to target pitchers who limit fly balls. Pitchers who can get more ground ball results versus fly ball results will have a better chance to succeed at GABP than the reverse. I believe this is what Mr. Castellini meant by playing "the game the way it's got to be played."

With that in mind, C.C. Sabathia would be an outstanding choice to target. Sabathia had an excellent Ground Ball/Fly Ball ratio of 2.27 which ranked 19th among pitchers with at least 100 innings pitched in 2005 (source: Baseball Prospectus). His Translated 2005 peripheral numbers of Hits/9 (8.8) and HR/9 (.9) are slightly worse than the previous year of 2004 (7.6 and .8, respectively). However, his Translated K/9 (6.9) and BB/9 are an improvement over his 2004 numbers (6.0 and 3.2, respectively). Also, Sabathia is still very young at 25 years of age. His best is still to come.

Now, one thing I don't like about Sabathia is that he is too heavy. On ESPN and Baseball America, he is listed as 6'7" height and 290 lbs. I'd bet a buggy full of groceries that he is closer to 315 lbs and that is too much stress on the legs, knees, and ankles of a power pitcher. If Sabathia would make a committment to getting and staying in shape, he could be lights out.

Two other good pitchers to target based on Translated Ground Ball/Fly Ball (G/B) ratios would be Jake Westbrook (Cle) at 3.61 and Kirk Saarloos (Oak) at 3.05. Both, Westbrook (28 yrs) and Saarloos (26 yrs) are still young enough that they may show improvement in their numbers.

One last thing and then I will stop my babble. I would trade Wily Pena before Kearns. I just don't believe that Pena has enough plate discipline to increase his On Base Percentage(OBP). Kearns has more plate discipline than Pena and therefore a better OBP than Pena. http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42961 If I'm the new General Manager rather than Krivsky and I'm looking to deal an outfielder for pitching with an eye towards the future, then I would rather deal the weaker OBP hitter.

VI_RedsFan
02-21-2006, 03:31 PM
I can;t remember his name. He was 1-5 last year but he had 73 strike outs in 63 innings pitched. Maybe somebody knows who I'm talking about.

Are you talking about Jairo Garcia? Yeah, he's pretty good, but I would never trade Dunn for Zito, even if Zito agreed to an extension and Garcia was involved as well. I think if we really want Zito that bad, we should just wait until next offseason and sign him then. I would much rather trade Kearns and Bailey for a Sowers or a Howell than trade them for Zito.

A trade that Krusty has been mentioning that interests me is Kearns, Mercker, and a prospect (not named Homer Bailey) for CC Sabathia. Although, I would rather take out Kearns in that deal and insert Pena.

dougdirt
02-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Kearns and Bailey for Sowers? I have to highly disagree with that. Just checking the latest BA Prospect Handbook, they think that Bailey is a better prospect than Sowers. The top 100 list is not out yet, but 4 writers top 50's are. Bailey's average position is 33.25 and is on all 4 top 50 lists. Sowers on the other hand is left off of 1 list, and giving him the benefit of the doubt, give him a ranking of #51 in that list, his average ranking is 46.5. Sowers is closer to the big leagues than Bailey is, but he doesnt have the stuff Bailey does....at least according to BA.

RedsFan8978
02-21-2006, 03:52 PM
I wouldnt do any trades involving Bailey right now, as I'd like to let ST go for a while and see where we are pitching-wise, and see where he is too

max venable
02-21-2006, 06:48 PM
I say we trade for C.C. and let him hit cleanup to. He seems to do well batting at GAB. :evil:

pedro
02-21-2006, 06:50 PM
I say we trade for C.C. and let him hit cleanup to. He seems to do well batting at GAB. :evil:


I don't know about hitting, but we certainly can let him eat cleanup.

Highlifeman21
02-21-2006, 07:03 PM
I wouldnt do any trades involving Bailey right now, as I'd like to let ST go for a while and see where we are pitching-wise, and see where he is too

I don't know that I'd do any trades period until May 1st. There's a few reasons for this...

1. Let's see if our pitching is as god-awful as every "expert" says it is. If we're still lookin at a starter ERA of over 6 and a complete staff ERA over 5, then maybe it's time to go shopping.
2. Let our potential tradeables establish their 2006 trade value. Austin Kearns or Wily Mo Pena have X value today, and will probably have Y value on May 2nd. If we feel the need to move someone (please let it be ToWo), let them get a month of PAs under their belt before we go dangling our undesireables around the league.
3. Unless we're blown away by an offer, don't trade anyone under the age of 28 (unless they 100% awful and a toss in). Believe it or not, we do have good young talent, just not pitchers at the MLB level.
4. Look for the pitching that "needs a change of scenery" after having maybe a struggling ST and or struggling April. This would be our best bet to undervalue an arm and hopefully get some decent talent.

But, if WK is trigger happy, at which all reports hint, then let's pack Kearns' bags, wish him the best and then loathe whichever player we get in return that won't perform to whatever unrealistic standard of which we hold him.

And while we're at it, let's trade ToWo for a signed copy of the 2005 White Sox Media guide.

registerthis
02-21-2006, 07:31 PM
Never been impressed with Sabathia..no thanks.

Well, kearns hasn't been very impressive the last couple of seasons either. this is a watershed year for him--a year or so from now, we'll either be thrilled that such a trade was never made, or we'll be wishing that we could get someone as valuable as Sabbathia for Kearns.

RedEye
02-22-2006, 12:47 AM
I'd give up Kearns for Sabathia in a second... but not for Westbrook.

Krusty
02-26-2006, 10:32 AM
Here's another trade idea....Pena to Baltimore for RHP Hayden Penn.

Penn was rushed last season and didn't do so well for the Orioles. But when you're making the jump from Double A to the majors you expect to struggle. But Penn could be a solid major league starter down the road.

Another possible deal is with the Marlins which Pena would be dealt for LHP Scott Olsen and another prospect.

Rumor was Olsen was to be part of a Joey Gathright trade but the Devil Rays are dragging their feet with caution over Carl Crawford's wrist and Ricco Baldeli coming back from knee and Tommy John surgery. The Reds could counter with Pena and the Marlins could use him in CF, although he isn't the leadoff hitter they are looking for. Still, the Marlins could sign him to a three or five year deal and rebuild around him and the likes of Willis and Cabrera.

VI_RedsFan
02-26-2006, 11:47 AM
I wouldn't mind picking up Westbrook, but I definately wouldn't give up Kearns or Pena for him. Maybe Mercker and a prospect would be enough. Westbrook is no ace, but he is a guy that can come in and win 15 games, have a sub-4.00 ERA, and pitch 200 innings for us. He's also considered a ground-ball pitcher, which we need more of. With him, Harang, and Claussen being guys who have the potential to put up those stats at the top of the rotation; plus the great offense we have, we can definately compete.

Right now, I'm at the point where I do not want to deal away Kearns or Pena, unless of course some team comes with a hard-to-pass up offer. I would like to see what they each can do playing everyday. When I think of Wily Mo playing everyday, I think 40-50 homers. I can see Kearns hitting between .290 and .300 with 25-30 bombs and 100 RBIs playing everyday. Yes, I know I was just talking about deal AK for Sabathia, and was also recently talking about dealing him and Baily for Zito (I don't know what I was thinking there), but now I believe that we should hold on to him and Pena and see what they can do.

BEETTLEBUG
02-26-2006, 04:46 PM
Bug would like to get Westbrook. Do you think Mercker and prospect would get it done?

VI_RedsFan
02-26-2006, 05:36 PM
Bug would like to get Westbrook. Do you think Mercker and prospect would get it done?

I think it might be able to get it done. Krusty, do you think that trade would get it done? If not, what would it take to get Westbrook (without having to give up Pena/Kearns)?

BEETTLEBUG
02-26-2006, 05:39 PM
I think it might be able to get it done. But remember, when the Indians called and offered Westbrook, they asked for Kearns in return. That trade is something I would never do.


I agree don't trade Kearns or Pena for Westbrook.

VI_RedsFan
02-26-2006, 06:07 PM
Here's an idea I just thought of:

Reds trade Felipe Lopez to Oakland for Danny Haren

This trade intrigues me a lot, but would Oakland do it?

KronoRed
02-26-2006, 06:10 PM
Doubt it, they have a younger cheaper SS.

tts1stros
02-26-2006, 06:11 PM
Here's an idea I just thought of:

Reds trade Felipe Lopez to Oakland for Danny Haren

This trade intrigues me a lot, but would Oakland do it?
No chance in hell.

VI_RedsFan
02-26-2006, 06:13 PM
Doubt it, they have a younger cheaper SS.

But what if they move Felipe to 2nd? He can even play third if Beane is planning on moving Chavez. Hey, Oakland needs offense. Felipe can give them a lot of help in that area.

Oh yeah BTW, does anyone know how hard Haren throws? I heard it was mid-90s.

Krusty
02-26-2006, 08:24 PM
I think it might be able to get it done. Krusty, do you think that trade would get it done? If not, what would it take to get Westbrook (without having to give up Pena/Kearns)?

Nah, Indians need a rightfielder and want Kearns. They need another lefthander to replace Authur Rhodes in the bullpen. Now if they want to give us Sabbathia for Kearns and Mercker, I think Krivsky needs to pull the trigger.

BEETTLEBUG
02-26-2006, 08:41 PM
No Krusty I don't trade Kearns ; Sabbs is injury on horizon.

Hondo
02-27-2006, 12:03 AM
Trade Milton for Zito.....Straight up...

Quick while Beane is still uder the Ether from signing Esteban Loaiza to a 3 year-21 million dollar deal.....Quick!!!

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