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Caveat Emperor
02-27-2006, 10:35 AM
From Sunday's Enquirer (http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20060226/ENT/602260305/1083/rssenq05)


WLW lineup joins XM Satellite network

The "Big One" is getting bigger. WLW-AM (700), the 50,000-watt "nation's station," truly will be nationwide on Wednesday.

Mike McConnell, Gary Burbank, Bill Cunningham, Jim Scott and most of Cincinnati's top-rated news-talk-sports station will be added to the XM Satellite Radio lineup as Channel 173.

Only the Reds and Bengals games won't be on the channel. XM has a separate deal for Major League Baseball, while Sirius Satellite owns NFL rights.

WLW-AM called itself the "nation's station" when it was the only U.S. station to broadcast experimentally on 500,000 watts from 1934 to 1939. "Everything has come full circle," says Darryl Parks, WLW operations director.

Although I do miss being able to hear Willie up here in Toledo, I'm not certain that I'm a fan of this move. Part of what makes WLW so much of a guilty pleasure is the fact that it's just this local media circus -- calling up city hall and putting the mayor on live, all the local-yokel callers, dedicating entire segments to hating on Nancy Zimpher, etc. I think the personalities would lose all of their charm if they were forced to open up to a national audiance.

Further, I don't see what XM gets from all of this -- even though WLW has an almost obscene broadcast radius at night, I was always under the impression that pretty much the only people that listen to the station are people in Cincinnati or people from Cincinnati and living elsewhere. It seems like XM is wasting it's already tight bandwidth on a channel that really brings nothing to the table.

For those with XM, 173 is being listed as "Off Air" as oppsoed to the usual display when a channel is not in use.

Dom Heffner
02-27-2006, 10:48 AM
Jim Scott

Proof positive that people do not need talent to get into radio. Here's a segment of Jim Scott's show:

"My son and I had donuts this weekend and speaking of donuts, have you tried Busken Bakery's new french twists? They're loaded with with vanilla cream and speaking of cream- have you tried Barbasol's new menthol shaving cream? I like shaving, my son, who goes to school in Northern Kentucky just started shaving. And speaking of Northen Kentucky, have you been to Florence Mall since they renovated it? My friend just opened up his new renovation business, and on their breaks they love to chow down on some delicious LaRosa's pizza. Now let's talk with Pete Gimmer who has some breaking news for us..."

It's like a continous infomercial in the mornings.....he is the king of mixing the live spot with reality.

Listening to WLW is like watching David Letterman between 12:20 and 12:35- you sit through a ton of commercials to get little back on your investment.

W - commercial- L- commercial- W commercial. That's what it feels like.

It would hurt me to pay a monthly fee to XM radio and then have to sit there through all the Buddy's Carpet Barn and LaRosa's pizza spots (that's probably not what happens, but what will they fill all that commercial space with?).

Heath
02-27-2006, 10:50 AM
Proof positive that people do not need talent to get into radio. Here's a segment of Jim Scott's show:

"My son and I had donuts this weekend and speaking of donuts, have you tried Busken Bakery's new french twists? They're loaded with with vanilla cream and speaking of cream- have you tried Barbasol's new menthol shaving cream? I like shaving, my son, who goes to school in Northern kentucky just started shaving. And speaking of Northen Kentucky, have you been to Florence Mall sonce they renovated it? My friend just opened up his new renovation business, and on their breaks they love to chow down on some delicious LaRosa's pizza."

It's like a continous infomercial in the mornings.....he is the king of mixing the live spot with reality.

Listening to WLW is like watching David Letterman between 12:20 and 12:35- you sit through a ton of commercials to get little back on your investment.

W - commercial- L- commercial- W commercial. That's what it feels like.

It would hurt me to pay a monthly fee to XM radio and then have to sit there through all the Buddy's Carpet Barn and LaRosa's pizza spots.

Dom, Dom, Dom....you forgot Grippo's Potato Chips.

You really need to get Ch. 173 on the XM radio.... :D

Yachtzee
02-27-2006, 10:54 AM
WLW at 173, MLB at 175. I assume they will be blacking out the games and not the sports talk? It will be nice to have Reds/Bengals sports talk when I need it. It will also be easy to change the channel when Furman says something stupid.

Dom Heffner
02-27-2006, 10:59 AM
Dom, Dom, Dom....you forgot Grippo's Potato Chips.

My rendition is pretty dated, I know. Back in the late 80's, my high school friends and I used to talk Jim Scott-speak to each other every day. It got pretty hilarious. You just had to practice relating non-related events to one another. It was so funny we used to cry.

How could I forget Grippo's? I can hear him now....

"Hey, did you catch the Bengals game this weekend? Some Grippo's potato chips would have made it even better, huh? You know my son plays football for Covington Catholic, which is putting on a production of Sleeping Beauty this weekend and how will the weather be for those who want to go see it? Pat Barry, will be here to tell us in a few minutes...."

wheels
02-27-2006, 11:28 AM
Proof positive that people do not need talent to get into radio. Here's a segment of Jim Scott's show:

"My son and I had donuts this weekend and speaking of donuts, have you tried Busken Bakery's new french twists? They're loaded with with vanilla cream and speaking of cream- have you tried Barbasol's new menthol shaving cream? I like shaving, my son, who goes to school in Northern Kentucky just started shaving. And speaking of Northen Kentucky, have you been to Florence Mall since they renovated it? My friend just opened up his new renovation business, and on their breaks they love to chow down on some delicious LaRosa's pizza. Now let's talk with Pete Gimmer who has some breaking news for us..."

It's like a continous infomercial in the mornings.....he is the king of mixing the live spot with reality.

Listening to WLW is like watching David Letterman between 12:20 and 12:35- you sit through a ton of commercials to get little back on your investment.

W - commercial- L- commercial- W commercial. That's what it feels like.

It would hurt me to pay a monthly fee to XM radio and then have to sit there through all the Buddy's Carpet Barn and LaRosa's pizza spots (that's probably not what happens, but what will they fill all that commercial space with?).

Oh don't worry. They'll be filling all of that extra commercial space with "Technology Minute with Dave Graveline" and we'll get to hear commercials for all of the programming highlights from other XM stations.

If WLW's going to XM they'll just have to change the name of the channel to The Commercial Channel.

RedsManRick
02-27-2006, 12:49 PM
For those of us with XM who don't live in Cincy, this is a great development. Finally I can listen to idiot hosts rant about the Reds instead of the Cubs and Sox.

Joseph
02-27-2006, 12:56 PM
I, personally, like it. XM is full of channels I never listen to, so why not put up a channel I'll listen to at least once in a while. I also saw this comming, not 700 per se, but Clear channel signing with one of the two major sat. radio companies. Soon you'll be able to get local channels via XM or Sirius etc, it's only evolution. WEBN, 1360, 700 all of them will be on sooner or later and the dial will just get bigger and bigger.

RBA
02-27-2006, 12:59 PM
I wonder if they will call themselves "The Nation's Station" again?

IslandRed
02-27-2006, 01:10 PM
It *probably* won't change their programming. WSM-650 in Nashville (the station carrying the Grand Ole Opry) has been on Sirius for awhile now and it hasn't changed their sound much, if at all.

Caveat Emperor
02-27-2006, 01:59 PM
For those of us with XM who don't live in Cincy, this is a great development. Finally I can listen to idiot hosts rant about the Reds instead of the Cubs and Sox.

I'm not certain, but I imagine that the programming of WLW will be forced to take on a much more "national" tone in the coming weeks/months and away from the heavy Reds/Bengals/Bearcats/Muskies talk that you get now on shows like "Sports Talk." I expect that the majority of the local sports chatter will shift to 1360, negating any potential benefit this deal might have to displaced Cincinnatians.

I have to believe XM wouldn't waste it's valuable bandwidth on a channel that caters exclusively to the Cincinnati market, so some provision of this deal must include that WLW begin programming for a national audiance. This means, likely, you'll see Cunningham's show take more of a regional/national tone in it's political discussions (which, in my opinion, will really limit how amusing he can be) and probably vast changes in other shows/personalities as well.

Matt700wlw
02-27-2006, 03:23 PM
WLW at 173, MLB at 175. I assume they will be blacking out the games and not the sports talk? It will be nice to have Reds/Bengals sports talk when I need it. It will also be easy to change the channel when Furman says something stupid.

Sports Talk will air on XM...only the Reds and Bengals games won't (except on their resepcted channels).

Our pregame and postgame material should be allowed to air as well

RBA
02-27-2006, 04:43 PM
Doesn't the Trucker show have it's own station on XM already?

Matt700wlw
02-27-2006, 04:45 PM
Doesn't the Trucker show have it's own station on XM already?


Yes...I guess we're competing with ourselves :D

RANDY IN INDY
02-27-2006, 08:25 PM
Will they carry the "Hot Stove League" show in the off season? I sure hope so.

BUTLER REDSFAN
02-27-2006, 09:35 PM
great now we get to here seg dennison try to put a sentence together without stammering all over it nationwide

BUTLER REDSFAN
02-27-2006, 09:36 PM
and yes i meant to say hear not here

Heath
02-27-2006, 09:43 PM
The other thing, which IMO, would happen - would be a WLW-Local Feed (over the air-free) and a WLW-Satellite Feed (over XM) -

Then, you might have a situation where the "Reds Blackout" over XM would be replaced by say 4 hours of Scott Sloan-with an extended hour of SportsSqawk past the usual 7:00pm cut off.

RBA
02-27-2006, 10:33 PM
I hope XM is smart enought to just put the Reds feed when the Reds are playing on 173. Even if it's the other team's broadcaster. XM usually goes with the home team's play by play. So after the Reds pregame XM can cut in with which ever broadcast of the Reds is that day. After the game 173 can cut back into the post game show.

KronoRed
02-27-2006, 11:23 PM
The other thing, which IMO, would happen - would be a WLW-Local Feed (over the air-free) and a WLW-Satellite Feed (over XM) -

Then, you might have a situation where the "Reds Blackout" over XM would be replaced by say 4 hours of Scott Sloan-with an extended hour of SportsSqawk past the usual 7:00pm cut off.
Or..my thinking is this is the beginning of 700 becoming a more mainstream non Cincy station and 1360 taking over all of the sports.

RBA
02-27-2006, 11:25 PM
Doesn't the Trucker show have it's own station on XM already?


WLW - XM 173 - News Talk
"The Nation's Station" is now available coast to coast on XM Satellite Radio. The critically acclaimed 700WLW from Cincinnati, OH, features "The Big Ones" in talk radio. With legendary alumni (Randy Michaels, Rosemary Clooney, Chris Collinsworth, Doris Day, Al Michaels, Red Skelton to name a few) and the new voices of today, WLW serves up talk radio you don't want to miss.

Talk Shows You'll Hear: America's Truckin' Network with Steve Sommers, Jim Scott, Mike McConnell, Bill Cunningham, Gary Burbank, Sports Talk with Andy Furman, Scott Sloan, Big Outdoors with Chip Hart, Gary Jeff Walker, Darryl Parks, SportsTalk with Alan Cutler, Weekly Rearview with Gary Burbank, SciZone with Bill Boshears, Sunday Morning SportsTalk with Tom Gamble and Richard Skinner, Tide Racing Report with "Seg" Dennison.

Please note: America's Truckin' Network with Steve Sommers will now be available on WLW - XM 173. This show will no longer be available on Open Road - XM 171, as of March 20, 2006.

http://www.xmradio.com/lineup/index.jsp

Ron Madden
02-28-2006, 04:59 AM
Sports Talk will air on XM...only the Reds and Bengals games won't (except on their resepcted channels).

Our pregame and postgame material should be allowed to air as well

I'm glad to hear the pregame and postgame material will air. :thumbup:

Other than The Games themselves it's the only time sports is ever heard from 6-9 o'clock on WLW. :evil:

Heath
02-28-2006, 09:06 AM
Or..my thinking is this is the beginning of 700 becoming a more mainstream non Cincy station and 1360 taking over all of the sports.


Krono - I know there are folks old enough around here to remember when 1530 WCKY did Reds games until the late 60's & early '70s.

But Avco came in and re-shaped the thinking of the Cincinnati broadcast medium to the point of adding WLW as the first three letters of the call letters to every TV Station they owned in Dayton, Indy, Columbus, & Louisville.

On EDIT - I would think that the Reds would keep WLW as long as possible. OTOH, doing what the Cardinals did and bringing back the local radio stations all over Reds Country might spark some fringe interest again.

KronoRed
02-28-2006, 12:50 PM
550 for the local stuff 1360 for the sports, 700 the "all in one" national station.

Doc. Scott
02-28-2006, 02:07 PM
No actual games, no worthwhile content. Subscribing to XM to listen to WLW without the Reds' games is like buying a Big Mac and getting just the wrapper.

RBA
02-28-2006, 02:29 PM
No actual games, no worthwhile content. Subscribing to XM to listen to WLW without the Reds' games is like buying a Big Mac and getting just the wrapper.

XM already has MLB coverage. You will get the games, it just depends wheter they pick up the Reds broadcast or their opponents for each particular day.

RFS62
02-28-2006, 05:34 PM
Wow, so now the whole nation gets to hear Furman.

Sweet.

Caveat Emperor
02-28-2006, 05:49 PM
XM already has MLB coverage. You will get the games, it just depends wheter they pick up the Reds broadcast or their opponents for each particular day.

Which makes me really wonder why the Reds games aren't going to be streamed up.

XM has the exclusive rights to MLB games, so there is no rights infringement in allowing the games to be played. I'm guessing there is some legal reason that I'm unaware of.

Still, it'd be nice to hear the Reds home broadcasts for every game.

RBA
02-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Maybe they will play "The Best of Andy Furman" during Reds games. ;)

Yachtzee
02-28-2006, 08:58 PM
Which makes me really wonder why the Reds games aren't going to be streamed up.

XM has the exclusive rights to MLB games, so there is no rights infringement in allowing the games to be played. I'm guessing there is some legal reason that I'm unaware of.

Still, it'd be nice to hear the Reds home broadcasts for every game.

I suspect that it probably has to do the the contract MLB signed with XM. They probably have an exclusive deal to broadcast through the MLB stations. I wonder if it's set up that way so that, if they wanted to, MLB could turn off free access and charge people for the games at a later date.

Imagine if all Reds games had the Reds feed from WLW. The whole country would get to experience the Banana Phone during rain delays.

RBA
03-01-2006, 12:28 AM
WLW is now playing on 173.

Ron Madden
03-02-2006, 05:13 AM
Maybe they will play "The Best of Andy Furman" during Reds games. ;)

A mid August weather report would last longer than " A Best of Andy Furman" show.

And would be much more informative to boot. ;)

ChiTownRedsFan
03-04-2006, 05:26 PM
For what it's worth, they were playing the UC - West Virginia basketball game (off 1360 AM) during the Reds game today.

This is fantastic news for us misplaced Cincinnatians.

goreds2
07-07-2006, 12:13 AM
Which makes me really wonder why the Reds games aren't going to be streamed up.

XM has the exclusive rights to MLB games, so there is no rights infringement in allowing the games to be played. I'm guessing there is some legal reason that I'm unaware of.

Still, it'd be nice to hear the Reds home broadcasts for every game.

From the WLW website:

Major League Baseball regulations prohibit us from broadcasting Reds games on XM Channel 173. You will be able to hear Cincinnati Reds games on another XM Channel. While all the games are heard, only Reds homes games will be the 700WLW broadcasts featuring Marty Brennaman, Steve Stewart and Joe Nuxhall.

http://www.700wlw.com/pages/XM173.html