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savafan
02-28-2006, 01:07 PM
It wasn't that long ago that he was the top prospect in baseball, and now he's fallen out of favor in Cleveland. If you were Krivsky, is Phillips the type of player that you would take a chance on, either a minor trade or wait and try to get him on waivers?

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/sports/13979723.htm

Brandon Phillips is out of options and can't be sent to the minors without first clearing waivers. How much will that affect his chances of making the team as a utility infielder?

``It's one factor but only one,'' General Manager Mark Shapiro said. ``It's very unlikely that he'll get through waivers but not impossible.''

That does not make Phillips the favorite to stick with Tribe. In fact, Ramon Vazquez, who leads Phillips in experience by miles, is the front-runner.

``At some point, Brandon is going to be a good big-league player,'' Shapiro said. ``The question is when or where.''

Krusty
02-28-2006, 01:12 PM
When you have Aurilia and Womack on the 40 man roster, there is no room unless you trade one of them.

KronoRed
02-28-2006, 01:16 PM
In place of Womack and Aurilia?

YES

M2
02-28-2006, 01:17 PM
Cut Womack, bring in Phillips. Works for me.

Johnny Footstool
02-28-2006, 01:20 PM
When you have Aurilia and Womack on the 40 man roster, there is no room unless you trade one of them.

And Quentin McCracken and Timo Perez got invited to camp. I'd rather have Phillips than any of those 4.

If all it takes is a waiver claim, I'd say do it. Option Allan Simpson or Bergolla to the minors.

BRM
02-28-2006, 01:23 PM
There's plenty of dead weight on the 40 man roster. It shouldn't be too hard to find someone to drop if you wanted to take a chance on Brandon Phillips.

flyer85
02-28-2006, 01:26 PM
We have Woemack. He knows how to play the game. Who wants a guy you have to teach that to.

Doc. Scott
02-28-2006, 01:58 PM
Someone will trade something for Phillips. If the Reds want him, they'll have to give up somebody. Somebody that the Indians would actually sort of want.

Chip R
02-28-2006, 02:00 PM
Someone will trade something for Phillips. If the Reds want him, they'll have to give up somebody. Somebody that the Indians would actually sort of want.
:aurilia:

westofyou
02-28-2006, 02:01 PM
When you have Aurilia and Womack on the 40 man roster, there is no room unless you trade one of them.If you view them as commmodities there isn't.

Cut them and move on.

If this team would view them as the future over a player like Phillips then they deserve any whooping they take the next couple of years.

savafan
02-28-2006, 02:01 PM
:aurilia:

That's what I was thinking. :beerme:

Danny Serafini
02-28-2006, 02:05 PM
I'd much rather have Aurilia than Phillips, that should tell you how little I think of Phillips at this point. Pass.

RedsManRick
02-28-2006, 02:27 PM
Phillips has been at AAA for 3 seasons and his best year was .296/.353/.416 in 2004. Even if he's a gold glove defender, he's no better than Ray Olmedo or Willy Bergolla. Seems like a waste of a 40 man spot to me. That said, I'd rather have him wasting a roster spot than Womack.

bottom_feeder
02-28-2006, 08:33 PM
Sure, I'd take a chance on Phillips if we didn't have to give up much for him. It's not as if our 40 man roster is overflowing with talent.

westofyou
02-28-2006, 08:38 PM
Phillips has been at AAA for 3 seasons and his best year was .296/.353/.416 in 2004.Get him and teach him to play CF, then his worth to the Reds is twice as much as it was when they obtained him.

captainmorgan07
02-28-2006, 08:42 PM
id' take phillips instead of perez or mccracken

Nugget
02-28-2006, 08:49 PM
I know this isn't going to go down well but the constanting carping of having Womack and Aurilla on the roster is really overdone.

There is a very good reason why you don't bring in a young talented position player to sit on the bench - look at what happened to WMP. If EE doesn't make the team out of ST then I don't want him sitting on the bench if he can play everyday in AAA. No use him fielding grounders and taking BP everyday with the occassional pinch hit. If EE makes the team then its good to have RA on the bench as he really doesn't need to be in AAA still learning things. Womack on the hand is covering a position which (although people here love him) Freel just can't play everyday. In much the same mould as Randa last year there is a young second baseman who is probably a year away from the the majors. Olmedo and Machado are good defensively but if your going to bring them in to pinch hit you may as well send out the pitcher.

The 25 man is not the best or most talented 25 players in the REDS system. Its the best 8 position players, the 5 best starting pitchers, 7 relievers and 5 players who suit the needs of the team in game situations.

westofyou
02-28-2006, 08:59 PM
Womack on the hand is covering a position which (although people here love him) Freel just can't play everyday.

The point is neither can Womack, his game is weak and his place on the Reds roster means that a better player is losing out and the Reds in turn are losing out.

Tony Womack came up on turf and had a speed game, he's had 1 above average season since he's moved off SS and even that was borderline good. Now he's 36 years old and on his 6th team in 4 seasons.

Defending Womack's game and what he can give the Reds in the long term is baseball Gallipoli.

Heath
02-28-2006, 09:40 PM
Defending Womack's game and what he can give the Reds in the long term is baseball Gallipoli.

I think that's down the river from Marietta?? :confused: ;)

Nugget
02-28-2006, 10:05 PM
Defending Womack's game and what he can give the Reds in the long term is baseball Gallipoli.

Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. Next year it will hopefully be Bergolla.

Boss-Hog
02-28-2006, 10:08 PM
Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. Next year it will hopefully be Bergolla.
By what standard is Womack considered adequate?

westofyou
02-28-2006, 10:23 PM
Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. Next year it will hopefully be Bergolla.
Really?

Based on what metric?

Does it include the offense lost in the final summation?

What's adequate?

In my world Tony Womack doesn't qualify as an adaquate backup much alone a adaquate starting 2nd baseman, what on earth makes him so darn adaquate?

Nugget
02-28-2006, 10:27 PM
His fielding percentage is about average for the position and his BA is slightly higher than average. His OBP doesn't compare to Freel. But then I have no problem that Freel is a good player but he isn't an everyday player as showed up last year.

westofyou
02-28-2006, 10:29 PM
His fielding percentage is about average for the position and his BA is slightly higher than average.Oh joy, my two favorite metrics.

Womack vs the league



YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1993 Pirates 23 -6 1 -6 -1 0 -1 -2.67 -4 0 -2 1 0 -.188 -.330 -.151 -.481
1994 Pirates 24 2 3 1 -1 0 0 -2.95 0 1 1 0 0 .059 -.096 .087 -.009
1996 Pirates 26 0 7 2 2 1 -1 -3.01 3 3 -4 1 0 .063 .078 .120 .198
1997 Pirates 27 27 -1 12 -6 5 -12 -2.02 -31 -20 -5 45 0 .007 -.050 -.016 -.066
1998 Pirates 28 21 -3 14 -7 3 -16 -2.59 -39 -26 -24 46 -2 .014 -.067 -.020 -.087
1999 Diamondbacks 29 -5 18 -1 -8 6 -17 -2.77 -47 -17 -44 58 -7 .001 -.074 -.019 -.093
2000 Diamondbacks 30 4 2 0 -12 10 -15 -2.42 -31 -40 -39 33 -6 -.003 -.062 -.043 -.106
2001 Diamondbacks 31 3 -2 0 -7 2 -14 -2.90 -35 -25 -38 20 -3 -.002 -.095 -.032 -.127
2002 Diamondbacks 32 -2 10 3 -8 2 -13 -2.25 -19 -17 -29 18 -7 .005 -.070 -.015 -.085
2003 Diamondbacks 33 -10 -2 -10 -2 2 -5 -2.30 -16 -15 -15 4 -1 -.031 -.093 -.071 -.164
Rockies 33 -7 -3 -8 -3 0 -3 -3.21 -7 -9 -7 2 0 -.079 -.216 -.141 -.356
Cubs 33 -1 -3 -2 -1 1 -2 -3.21 -5 -4 2 1 -1 -.033 -.117 -.091 -.208
TOTALS -18 -8 -20 -6 2 -10 -2.64 -27 -28 -20 7 -2 -.042 -.124 -.089 -.213
2004 Cardinals 34 27 17 28 -7 0 -13 -2.47 -32 -18 -37 18 -2 .038 -.052 .008 -.044
2005 Yankees 35 -16 -2 -11 -10 -1 -11 -3.12 -30 -18 -12 22 -3 -.019 -.146 -.055 -.200
TOTALS 36 41 23 -72 30 *** -2.54 -294 -206 -254 268 -31 .003 -.076 -.026 -.102

savafan
02-28-2006, 10:40 PM
Womack was easily the worst position player in all of baseball last year.

KronoRed
02-28-2006, 11:08 PM
Womack was easily the worst position player in all of baseball last year.
Really, what more needs to be said? a guy off the street could do just as good a job.

savafan
02-28-2006, 11:20 PM
Really, what more needs to be said? a guy off the street could do just as good a job.

http://chrisandmike.net/IMAGES/Honeymoon/French%20Riviera/nice%20bum.jpg
Starting at second base for your Cincinnati Reds

WilyMo
02-28-2006, 11:56 PM
I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.

savafan
03-01-2006, 12:07 AM
I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.

Welcome to the board Mr. Womack. ;)

Patrick Bateman
03-01-2006, 12:13 AM
I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.

If Womack matches the best season of his career he is still worse than Freel. So I could really care less if Womack surprises because he stinks and should not be getting at-bats. I don't want him to surprise anyone because it would mean we are wasting at-bats on the guy.

KronoRed
03-01-2006, 01:03 AM
I'm sure he'll get 500 at bats to see

savafan
03-01-2006, 01:06 AM
I'm sure he'll get 500 at bats to see

Hopefully, the majority of them will be on the Playstation in the clubhouse.

Raisor
03-01-2006, 08:18 AM
I think you all might be a bit surprised at how well Womack is going to play this season.


Since the start of the 2003 season Ryan Freel has created 10 more runs then Womack.

Doesn't seem like much, right?

He's done it in 145 less Plate Appearances.


Tony Womack should be playing in the Korean League or something.

Raisor
03-01-2006, 08:24 AM
Womack is an improvement on Freel in that it gives the REDS an adequate everyday 2B for the year. .


The last two seasons, Freel has more PA's then Womack.

Including Womack's "career year":

Freel (2004-2005): 1023 PA's
Womack (2004-2005): 957 PA

Freel doesn't hit for much (any) power, but dude gets on base. That's what the Reds need at the top of the lineup.

TC81190
03-01-2006, 08:59 AM
I absolutely would love to get Phillips cheap like that. Absolutely.

puca
03-01-2006, 09:10 AM
Womak really has no business on this team. I'm guessing that Krivsky understands that and will get rid of him one way or the other. I have faith in Wayne.

Given the chance I would definitely kick Womak to the curb for Phillips. I doubt he would be free though, and I doubt that Aurilia would interest the Tribe.

RBA
04-07-2006, 02:52 PM
bump

Hap
04-07-2006, 03:55 PM
savafan is a prophet.....

what are the powerball numbers next week?

savafan
04-07-2006, 07:00 PM
savafan is a prophet.....

what are the powerball numbers next week?

4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

toledodan
04-07-2006, 08:52 PM
If Womack matches the best season of his career he is still worse than Freel. So I could really care less if Womack surprises because he stinks and should not be getting at-bats. I don't want him to surprise anyone because it would mean we are wasting at-bats on the guy.


womack had 185 hits during his best season. i don't believe freel could ever do that. of course he would have to be given a shot first.

KronoRed
04-07-2006, 09:19 PM
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42
Dude..don't go dooming other posters.

savafan
04-07-2006, 09:38 PM
womack had 185 hits during his best season. i don't believe freel could ever do that. of course he would have to be given a shot first.

Ryan Freel average 3.53 at bats per game in 2004 and 3.58 at bats per game in 2005, the first two years he's seen somewhat regular playing time, for an average of 3.555 at bats per game which equals 576 at bats over a healthy 162 game season. Freel's batting average over those two years is .275, which averages out to 158 hits over 162 games, however, Womack gets on base an average of 37% of the time while Womack gets on base an average of 32% of the time. While Womack will average 170 hits, 12 more than Freel, over 162 games, assuming each player made 4 plate appearances a game, Freel will get on base 240 times in a season, while Womack gets on base only 207 times in a season.

toledodan
04-07-2006, 09:51 PM
i would have no problem with freel playing everyday. the problem is his health and how versitile he is coming off the bench. he is younger and faster than womack as well. there has to be a reason why he isn't a starter.

westofyou
04-07-2006, 11:41 PM
womack had 185 hits during his best season
True, but he had to come to the plate 704 times to get that, plus he made an out 70% of the time he came to bat that year too.

reds44
06-30-2007, 06:17 PM
It wasn't that long ago that he was the top prospect in baseball, and now he's fallen out of favor in Cleveland. If you were Krivsky, is Phillips the type of player that you would take a chance on, either a minor trade or wait and try to get him on waivers?

Bump.

You are a genius.

Some of the comments in this thread are pretty funny looking back.

TC81190
06-30-2007, 08:45 PM
I absolutely would love to get Phillips cheap like that. Absolutely.

Score. Good call, me.