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FlyingPig
03-01-2006, 12:31 PM
"Boone compiled 1,775 hits, 252 home runs and 1,021 RBI in 1,780 career games."


Tossing that bat after hitting one deep always annoyed me for some reason..


http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060301&content_id=1329064&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

RedFanAlways1966
03-01-2006, 01:14 PM
14 years in the big leagues. 12 full years if you add years 1, 2 & 14 together as one year due to the lower number of games played.

Did you know:
* Brett hit 38.1% of his total HRS in 2001, 2002 & 2003. He only played 26.5% of his games in these years.
* Brett collected 35.75% of his total RBIs in those same years.
* Brett was 32, 33 & 34 years-old in those years. Out of the game less than 3 years later.

Seems strange that a man plays the equivalent of 8 full ML seasons and puts up mediocre offensive numbers and then explodes at age 32 for three out-of-the-norm offensive years in SEA. 6 of those first 8 years were in Cincy and Atlanta (I believe some people call these places launching pads in reference to the ball flying out of those parks), but Brett did not "mature as a power hitter" until he was 32-years-old and in SEA.

Seems strange that once MLB starts testing for certain things he falls off that offensive-power-table. He seems to get hurt more frequently. Multiple clubs let him go.

Very odd. I am sure diet-and-exercise helped during those BIG years... cause we all noticed the muscles that we had never seen on Brett before. And lo-and-behold we all saw his OPS, HRs & RBIs go through the roof. And it must be coincidental that during these same years we saw other ML BIG HITTERS go crazy too. B*O*N*D*S even hit 73 HRs during one of Brett's big years. Luis Gonzalez hit 57 HRS in that same year (26 more than he had ever hit in a single year).

Peak years? Maybe Brett was a little late in reaching baseball hitter puberty. Maybe he is just a freak of nature. I am sure this is what some will tell you.

Just seems strange to this baseball fan. Strange... :confused:

westofyou
03-01-2006, 01:18 PM
Peak years? Maybe Brett was a little late in reaching baseball hitter puberty.

Family History shows that it's happened before.


RAY BOONE

GIVEN NAME: Raymond Otis Boone
BORN: 7/27/1923 San Diego, California
BAT: R THROW: R HEIGHT: 6'0" WEIGHT: 172 MLB DEBUT: 9/3/1948
CAREER GAMES BY POSITION: 1B: 285 2B: 1 SS: 464 3B: 510

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1948 Indians 24 6 5 0 2 1 0 0 0.00 1 0 1 0 0 .400 .600 .400 1.000
1949 Indians 25 86 258 39 65 4 4 4 1.55 26 38 17 0 2 .252 .345 .352 .697
1950 Indians 26 109 365 53 110 14 6 7 1.92 58 56 27 4 3 .301 .430 .397 .827
1951 Indians 27 151 544 65 127 14 1 12 2.21 51 48 36 5 3 .233 .329 .302 .631
1952 Indians 28 103 316 57 83 8 2 7 2.22 45 53 33 0 1 .263 .367 .372 .739
1953 Indians 29 34 112 21 27 1 2 4 3.57 21 24 21 1 2 .241 .393 .375 .768
Tigers 29 101 385 73 120 16 6 22 5.71 93 48 47 2 1 .312 .556 .395 .951
TOTALS 135 497 94 147 17 8 26 5.23 114 72 68 3 3 .296 .519 .390 .909
1954 Tigers 30 148 543 76 160 19 7 20 3.68 85 71 53 4 2 .295 .466 .376 .842
1955 Tigers 31 135 500 61 142 22 7 20 4.00 116 50 49 1 1 .284 .476 .346 .822
1956 Tigers 32 131 481 77 148 14 6 25 5.20 81 77 46 0 0 .308 .518 .403 .920
1957 Tigers 33 129 462 48 126 25 3 12 2.60 65 57 47 1 1 .273 .418 .353 .771
1958 Tigers 34 39 114 16 27 4 1 6 5.26 20 14 13 0 2 .237 .447 .323 .770
White Sox 34 77 246 25 60 12 1 7 2.85 41 18 33 1 1 .244 .386 .295 .681
TOTALS 116 360 41 87 16 2 13 3.61 61 32 46 1 3 .242 .406 .304 .710
1959 White Sox 35 9 21 3 5 0 0 1 4.76 5 7 5 1 0 .238 .381 .400 .781
A's 35 61 132 19 36 6 0 2 1.52 12 27 17 1 0 .273 .364 .396 .760
Braves 35 13 15 3 3 0 0 1 6.67 2 4 2 0 0 .200 .400 .368 .768
TOTALS 83 168 25 44 6 0 4 2.38 19 38 24 2 0 .262 .369 .394 .763
1960 Braves 36 7 12 3 3 1 0 0 0.00 4 5 1 0 0 .250 .333 .471 .804
Red Sox 36 34 78 6 16 1 0 1 1.28 11 11 15 0 0 .205 .256 .300 .556
TOTALS 41 90 9 19 2 0 1 1.11 15 16 16 0 0 .211 .267 .327 .594
TOTALS 1373 4589 645 1260 162 46 151 3.29 737 608 463 21 19 .275 .429 .361 .789
LG AVERAGE 4548 616 1213 192 40 107 2.36 579 529 513 41 33 .267 .397 .345 .742
POS AVERAGE 4519 613 1190 180 36 98 2.17 566 566 493 36 30 .263 .384 .347 .731


BOB BOONE

GIVEN NAME: Robert Raymond Boone
BORN: 11/19/1947 San Diego, California
BAT: R THROW: R HEIGHT: 6'2" WEIGHT: 195 MLB DEBUT: 9/10/1972
CAREER GAMES BY POSITION: 1B: 7 3B: 7 LF: 1 C: 2225 DH: 1

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1972 Phillies 24 16 51 4 14 1 0 1 1.96 4 5 7 1 0 .275 .353 .333 .686
1973 Phillies 25 145 521 42 136 20 2 10 1.92 61 41 36 3 4 .261 .365 .311 .675
1974 Phillies 26 146 488 41 118 24 3 3 0.61 52 35 29 3 1 .242 .322 .295 .617
1975 Phillies 27 97 289 28 71 14 2 2 0.69 20 32 14 1 3 .246 .329 .322 .651
1976 Phillies 28 121 361 40 98 18 2 4 1.11 54 45 44 2 5 .271 .366 .348 .713
1977 Phillies 29 132 440 55 125 26 4 11 2.50 66 42 54 5 5 .284 .436 .343 .780
1978 Phillies 30 132 435 48 123 18 4 12 2.76 62 46 37 2 5 .283 .425 .347 .772
1979 Phillies 31 119 398 38 114 21 3 9 2.26 58 49 33 1 4 .286 .422 .367 .789
1980 Phillies 32 141 480 34 110 23 1 9 1.88 55 48 41 3 4 .229 .338 .299 .637
1981 Phillies 33 76 227 19 48 7 0 4 1.76 24 22 16 2 2 .211 .295 .279 .574
1982 Angels 34 143 472 42 121 17 0 7 1.48 58 39 34 0 2 .256 .337 .310 .647
1983 Angels 35 142 468 46 120 18 0 9 1.92 52 24 42 4 3 .256 .353 .289 .641
1984 Angels 36 139 450 33 91 16 1 3 0.67 32 25 45 3 3 .202 .262 .242 .504
1985 Angels 37 150 460 37 114 17 0 5 1.09 55 37 35 1 2 .248 .317 .306 .623
1986 Angels 38 144 442 48 98 12 2 7 1.58 49 43 30 1 0 .222 .305 .287 .593
1987 Angels 39 128 389 42 94 18 0 3 0.77 33 35 36 0 2 .242 .311 .304 .615
1988 Angels 40 122 352 38 104 17 0 5 1.42 39 29 26 2 2 .295 .386 .352 .739
1989 Royals 41 131 405 33 111 13 2 1 0.25 43 49 37 3 2 .274 .323 .351 .675
1990 Royals 42 40 117 11 28 3 0 0 0.00 9 17 12 1 1 .239 .265 .336 .601
TOTALS 2264 7245 679 1838 303 26 105 1.45 826 663 608 38 50 .254 .346 .315 .661
LG AVERAGE 7457 960 1966 333 52 180 2.41 897 729 1092 157 78 .264 .395 .330 .725
POS AVERAGE 7297 775 1810 318 30 175 2.40 883 720 1075 45 40 .248 .372 .316 .688




BRET BOONE

GIVEN NAME: Bret Robert Boone
BORN: 4/6/1969 El Cajon, California
BAT: R THROW: R HEIGHT: 5'10" WEIGHT: 175 MLB DEBUT: 8/19/1992
CAREER GAMES BY POSITION: 2B: 1763 3B: 8 DH: 4

YEAR TEAM AGE G AB R H 2B 3B HR HR% RBI BB SO SB CS AVG SLG OBA OPS
1992 Mariners 23 33 129 15 25 4 0 4 3.10 15 4 34 1 1 .194 .318 .224 .542
1993 Mariners 24 76 271 31 68 12 2 12 4.43 38 17 52 2 3 .251 .443 .301 .743
1994 Reds 25 108 381 59 122 25 2 12 3.15 68 24 74 3 4 .320 .491 .368 .858
1995 Reds 26 138 513 63 137 34 2 15 2.92 68 41 84 5 1 .267 .429 .326 .755
1996 Reds 27 142 520 56 121 21 3 12 2.31 69 31 100 3 2 .233 .354 .275 .629
1997 Reds 28 139 443 40 99 25 1 7 1.58 46 45 101 5 5 .223 .332 .298 .630
1998 Reds 29 157 583 76 155 38 1 24 4.12 95 48 104 6 4 .266 .458 .324 .782
1999 Braves 30 152 608 102 153 38 1 20 3.29 63 47 112 14 9 .252 .416 .310 .726
2000 Padres 31 127 463 61 116 18 2 19 4.10 74 50 97 8 4 .251 .421 .326 .747
2001 Mariners 32 158 623 118 206 37 3 37 5.94 141 40 110 5 5 .331 .578 .372 .950
2002 Mariners 33 155 608 88 169 34 3 24 3.95 107 53 102 12 5 .278 .462 .339 .801
2003 Mariners 34 159 622 111 183 35 5 35 5.63 117 68 125 16 3 .294 .535 .366 .902
2004 Mariners 35 148 593 74 149 30 0 24 4.05 83 56 135 10 5 .251 .423 .317 .740
2005 Mariners 36 74 273 30 63 15 3 7 2.56 34 24 52 4 2 .231 .385 .299 .684
Twins 36 14 53 3 9 0 0 0 0.00 3 4 13 0 0 .170 .170 .241 .411
TOTALS 88 326 33 72 15 3 7 2.15 37 28 65 4 2 .221 .350 .290 .639
TOTALS 1780 6683 927 1775 366 28 252 3.77 1021 552 1295 94 53 .266 .442 .325 .767
LG AVERAGE 6766 961 1824 356 40 212 3.13 911 674 1223 137 61 .270 .428 .339 .767
POS AVERAGE 6719 956 1806 347 50 136 2.02 737 614 1094 194 78 .269 .396 .334 .730

M2
03-01-2006, 01:35 PM
Wow, all it took was one bad year and he's gone. That's a guy who crumbled in a hurry.

RedFanAlways1966
03-01-2006, 01:36 PM
But did Dad and Grandpa's physique noticably change as well? And was their some sort of supplement out there that was in the news back in Dad and Grandpa's playing days?

I do not see the comparison being the same. Grandpa had one year that seemed to go above the norm "after" age 32 (1956 when he was 32-33 years-old). Dad? Not much to back up the argument that his numbers peaked after age 32 either. They seemed to level out and go down from the years before 32-years-old. Neither one was nowhere near the offensive peak seen by Brett once 32-years-old.

It could be genetics. It could be something else. It is too bad that some of us think this way. I guess after 5-7 years of testing, the talk of legit-or-not will finally die down. Until then some will always wonder about the power peak years of 1995-2003. And I cannot blame people for wondering.

flyer85
03-01-2006, 01:37 PM
Someone need to put this news in Woemack's locker.

westofyou
03-01-2006, 01:43 PM
But did Dad and Grandpa's physique noticably change as well? Bob Boone is credited with starting the trend of working out AFTER the game. I don't have their annual ST measurements to quantify that question.

westofyou
03-01-2006, 01:45 PM
Neither one was nowhere near the offensive peak seen by Brett once 32-years-old. Neither one played in an era that was marked with such a offensive explosion as this era has shown to have.

KronoRed
03-01-2006, 01:47 PM
Someone need to put this news in Woemack's locker.
I say we offer them Womack :D

Team Clark
03-01-2006, 01:49 PM
Reminds me of Lenny Dykstra... A lot of parallels.

RedFanAlways1966
03-01-2006, 01:57 PM
Neither one played in an era that was marked with such a offensive explosion as this era has shown to have.

I agree with that. And this may be a question for another post, but is the offensive explosion relative at all to supplements that are now being tested (and punished if caught) for in today's game?

I know that it is impossible to tell. There may be other things like the high number of ML teams that makes pitching thinner, the exercise routines, the diets and/or the hand-eye-coordination exercises used today.

And I, a former Brett rooter during those Cincy years, really wonder about Brett's entire exercise routine. I wonder if any other ML 2nd-basemen had the kind of power surge that he had after that many years in MLB and at that kind of age.

Of course I do not and will not ever know. But I wonder about Brett. As I wonder about many others (I already mentioned B*O*N*D*S and Luis). But unfortunately I and many others will wonder and talk about these things for a few years b/c MLB and the Union decided for the wrong kind of protection in the game we all love. Someday, if the testing remains and is enforced, this kind of talk will die down.

gonelong
03-01-2006, 01:57 PM
Brett came in to his salary drive season with 20 lbs of extra muscle. He played silly that year and locked up a big contract. He gave all sorts of credit to his off-season workout program. He then showed up at ST the next season without his 20LB of muscle.

I don't know, but if I had to place my money on steriods/not steriods, I'd take the steriods. If he wasn't taking something then he was just too lazy to continue the workout regimine that he himself credited for his big season.

Either way he worked his way into a big contract and then stuck it to the Ms.

GL

Cant Touch This
03-01-2006, 02:46 PM
I say we offer them Womack :D

I think "Woe"mack is appropriate...