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Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 09:28 PM
I'm sure this will be all over the local sports shows on Monday, it's already over on Lance's blog and they mentioned it on the post game show.

The UC website edited out all references to Bob Huggins, including his picture with Eric Hicks, from the original AP story they posted on the official UC athletics site after todays win over WVU.

Here is the story posted on the UC site.

http://ucbearcats.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/030406aab.html


March 4, 2006


Box Score | Quotes | Notes



CINCINNATI (AP) - Power forward Eric Hicks wiped away tears after the pre-game Senior Day ceremony, then scored 18 points Saturday, leading Cincinnati to a 78-75 victory over No. 16 West Virginia.

The Bearcats (19-11, 8-8 Big East) felt they needed a high-profile win to strengthen their credentials for the NCAA tournament. They earned it with big contributions from its seniors and two key free throws from its true freshman.

Point guard Devan Downey's two free throws with 1.3 seconds left clinched the win and completed his 16-point performance. Jihad Muhammad added 17.

West Virginia (20-9, 11-5 ) didn't have much at stake in its final regular-season game. The Mountaineers had already clinched third place in the Big East and were guaranteed a first-round bye in the conference tournament.

Kevin Pittsnoggle led the Mountaineers with 23 points, and Mike Gansey went 5-of-6 from behind the 3-point arc while scoring 20.

After Downey made his two clinching free throws, Hicks jumped into the student section.

West Virginia tried to overcome the Bearcats' emotion by getting the ball inside to the 6-foot-11 Pittsnoggle, who likes to shoot 3-pointers but could do more damage inside. Pittsnoggle is 5 inches taller than anyone on the Bearcats' front line.

He shook loose from the 6-foot-6 Hicks and made a layup that started a 9-0 run and put the Mountaineers up 16-12 and got the crowd grumbling.

Cincinnati's tight man-to-man defense started taking a toll, forcing the Mountaineers to rush their shots. The defense fueled a 15-2 spurt capped by Hicks' emphatic dunk, putting the Bearcats ahead to stay 33-23.

Muhammad hit a jumper and a pair of 3's during an 11-1 spurt that built the lead to 48-35 early in the second half.

A pair of 3's by Gansey cut it to 66-64 with 5:03 to go, setting a back-and-forth tone for the rest of the way. The Bearcats held on by going 3-of-5 from the free-throw line in the final 12 seconds.

Here is the unedited version from the AP (the bolded and underlined areas are what UC removed)


CINCINNATI

(AP) - Power forward Eric Hicks wiped away tears after a pre-game embrace from ousted coach Bob Huggins, then scored 18 points Saturday, leading Cincinnati to a 78-75 victory over No. 16 West Virginia.

Huggins attended a game at the Bearcats' arena for the first time since he was forced out last August. He got a standing ovation and hugged the Bearcats' five seniors during pregame festivities - a surreal start to an important game for Cincinnati.

The Bearcats (19-11, 8-8 Big East) felt they needed a high-profile win to strengthen their credentials for the NCAA tournament. A team that has been in turmoil since Huggins' departure in August earned it with big contributions from its seniors and two key free throws from its true freshman.

Point guard Devan Downey's two free throws with 1.3 seconds left clinched the win and completed his 16-point performance. Jihad Muhammad added 17.

West Virginia (20-9, 11-5 ) didn't have much at stake in its final regular-season game. The Mountaineers had already clinched third place in the Big East and were guaranteed a first-round bye in the conference tournament.

Kevin Pittsnoggle led the Mountaineers with 23 points, and Mike Gansey went 5-of-6 from behind the 3-point arc while scoring 20.

The Bearcats' last home game showed they still haven't gotten beyond Huggins' ouster. He repeatedly got standing ovations from the capacity crowd, who also chanted for school president Nancy Zimpher to give interim coach Andy Kennedy a contract. It's still a program at a crossroads.

After Downey made his two clinching free throws, Hicks jumped into the student section and Kennedy got a hug from Huggins. Kennedy then thanked the fans for supporting the team through its tribulations, adding, "One last thing: Huggs, we love you, brother." Huggins was invited by Hicks, one of the five seniors who received framed photographs of themselves at midcourt during a pregame tribute. Huggins stood at an opposite end of the court while the seniors were introduced. Hicks then led the seniors over to Huggins, who embraced each of them while the crowd exulted. Hicks wiped away tears with his white warmup shirt after the embrace. Huggins dabbed a tear from the corner of his right eye. "I wanted to be here, but I didn't want to do anything they (the school) didn't want me to do," Huggins said.

West Virginia tried to overcome the Bearcats' emotion by getting the ball inside to the 6-foot-11 Pittsnoggle, who likes to shoot 3-pointers but could do more damage inside. Pittsnoggle is 5 inches taller than anyone on the Bearcats' front line.

He shook loose from the 6-foot-6 Hicks and made a layup that started a 9-0 run and put the Mountaineers up 16-12 and got the crowd grumbling.

Cincinnati's tight man-to-man defense - its trademark under Huggins -started taking a toll, forcing the Mountaineers to rush their shots. The defense fueled a 15-2 spurt capped by Hicks' emphatic dunk, putting the Bearcats ahead to stay 33-23.

Muhammad hit a jumper and a pair of 3's during an 11-1 spurt that built the lead to 48-35 early in the second half.

A 3's by Gansey cut it to 66-64 with 5:03 to go, setting a back-and-forth tone for the rest of the way. The Bearcats held on by going 3-of-5 from the free-throw line in the final 12 seconds.

How childish and pathetic is that?

Heath
03-04-2006, 09:41 PM
That hug better be worth it Kennedy, it cost you the UC job.

And judging by the goingons in Clifton - it might not be a bad thing.

Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 09:53 PM
That hug better be worth it Kennedy, it cost you the UC job.

And judging by the goingons in Clifton - it might not be a bad thing.

AK was asked directly today if he wanted to be here next year, he didn't answer. I can't blame him if he doesn't want to work for petty idiots. Wait until Monday, this is going to be all over the place on the radio.

Heath
03-04-2006, 09:55 PM
They might as well hire Tony Yates back and just wipe out the rest of the decade.

Sad.

WMR
03-04-2006, 10:04 PM
Wow... how petty. AK will be a head coach somewhere.

What he accomplished this year as a first-year coach in a brand new--and exceedingly difficult--conference while dealing with key injuries heaped on top of the whole Huggins thing is amazing.

The man can coach.

TeamBoone
03-04-2006, 10:12 PM
It's not only petty, but I believe it's illegal.

traderumor
03-04-2006, 10:16 PM
Sounds more like a circus. Someone with good taste and a little bit of class would have respectfully stepped back despite the invitation. Talk about doing whatever you can to keep yourself in the limelight.

max venable
03-04-2006, 10:22 PM
I've got no problem with it. It's their website--and their perogative. What's the big deal? AP stories get edited ALL THE TIME.

I really don't see why all the fuss. UC simply wanted a more matter-of-fact approach to the story. They didn't change any facts, they just left out some stuff that they'd rather not include. So?

Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 10:24 PM
Sounds more like a circus. Someone with good taste and a little bit of class would have respectfully stepped back despite the invitation. Talk about doing whatever you can to keep yourself in the limelight.

Huggins was an invited guest of the seniors he recruited and coached, it has nothing to do with limelight. Despite the administrations best efforts the accomplishments of Bob Huggins at UC will not be erased, nor will he be forgotten. Perhaps if the administration had a bit of class they wouldn't stoop so low as to edit AP stories on their website, or not even arrange a Huggins appreciation day during the season so the fans can have a chance to say goodbye to the man who built a national program from nothing.

Huggins was supposed to walk on the floor with Hicks, but didn't. Here is a post from Dr. Jon Breiner, who's a professor at UC, on the matter which I feel sums it up pretty well.


Posted By: Jon Breiner
March 4, 2006
Ok, some of you Bearcat fans had your way. Eric Hicks asked Bob Huggins to walk out with him. A senior who has given us 4 years of heart. A student-athlete who has been a great student and athlete. He's represented the university well, and he asked his father figure to be part of his final moment playing in front of the home crowd. The guy that sold Eric on UC, and eventually Eric completely bought into him. Eric sees Huggins as one man who not only made a difference in his basketball life, but in his life.

Well, you did not want him to have it. You had to turn it around and make it all about Bob Huggins. Let me be blunt. You are an idiot. Huggins has always gone with his heart. If you really followed him and UC basketball you would know that. When Hicks asked Huggins to join him for senior day there is zero doubt in my mind that Hicks asked with his heart and Huggins answered yes with his heart. If Huggins was so calculating as some of you would have us believe, why did he get in so much trouble for following his heart for 16 years?

Some of have cried that if Huggins walks out with Hicks, Kennedy will no longer be considered for the job. It was this logic that made me realize how stupid this is. Huggins follows his heart, Zimpher follows her head. She knows that Huggins is there for his kids, not to thumb his nose at her. If she knows that, why don't you? You said you are a Bearcat fan. When did you stop paying attention? The word is that the athletic department had given their blessing. It is sad that you could not find it in your heart to give your blessing to a great Bearcat in his final days. No, it is still about you, not them. I suppose it has always been that way. If Kennedy is to be considered this will have absolutely no effect. You can try to justify your reasoning, but its faultiness continues to paint the true picture.

Some have said, Huggins is grandstanding again. Always trying to get on TV. Again you are showing either bias or ignorance, I'll let you decide which. When Huggins was interviewed during the XU game earlier in the year, he declined the interview request. He did not want it to be about him, but then the ESPN crew showed up with a camera in his box. Are you suggesting he should have turned his back and ignored them? That is not Huggins, he was polite, and since you heard the interview you know how great it was. It was not about him, but about how great AK and the kids were. You see this is not about him. It is more about you and your inability to resolve your own feelings of conflict. He realizes that. Why can't you? You say he needs to move on. He has. Pay attention. You need to move on. Do you think Huggins waited around for weeks hoping someone would ask him to do this? Huggins is a very smart man and if he wanted to, he could have easily arranged this, but he did not want to arrange this, he wanted to be there for his kid who asked him to be part of a special day. One last time, show how much he loves and supports Eric. But you decided Eric was not worthy of his special day, you had to try to dictate how he gets to spend it. I think we have seen the difference between love and hate very clearly the past few days.

Now today, I will be sad, sad for Eric because a senior did not get what he wanted, but a few loud, and ignorant fans did. You tell me who deserves it? I think Eric did, but you won. I hope you enjoy your trophy.

TeamBoone
03-04-2006, 10:27 PM
I've got no problem with it. It's their website--and their perogative. What's the big deal? AP stories get edited ALL THE TIME.

I really don't see why all the fuss. UC simply wanted a more matter-of-fact approach to the story. They didn't change any facts, they just left out some stuff that they'd rather not include. So?

Then they should have written their own story instead of tampering with someone else's.

max venable
03-04-2006, 10:30 PM
Then they should have written their own story instead of tampering with someone else's.
It's not tampering. It happens all the time. It's okay to edit AP stories if certain criteria are met. Again, there was nothing misleading in the edit. It was just a more matter-of-fact approach.

You guys are making too much out of this, IMO.

traderumor
03-04-2006, 10:33 PM
Huggins was an invited guest of the seniors he recruited and coached, it has nothing to do with limelight. Despite the administrations best efforts the accomplishments of Bob Huggins at UC will not be erased, nor will he be forgotten. Perhaps if the administration had a bit of class they wouldn't stoop so low as to edit AP stories on their website, or not even arrange a Huggins appreciation day during the season so the fans can have a chance to say goodbye to the man who built a national program from nothing.

Huggins was supposed to walk on the floor with Hicks, but didn't. Here is a post from Dr. Jon Breiner, who's a professor at UC, on the matter which I feel sums it up pretty well.I recognized that he was invited in my post. He didn't have to accept and could have explained why to the players.

All things considered, it was a way for Huggins to thumb his nose at the UC Admin and remind everyone who the people want. And an appreciation day for a fired coach who went out on bad terms? That is just really not a realistic expectation.

Huggins needs to let the program move on. Yes, we all know that he built winning basketball teams, but the cost was pretty high in doing so, both to the University, the city, UC supporters and himself. Time to move on Bob.

Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 10:41 PM
I recognized that he was invited in my post. He didn't have to accept and could have explained why to the players.

All things considered, it was a way for Huggins to thumb his nose at the UC Admin and remind everyone who the people want. And an appreciation day for a fired coach who went out on bad terms? That is just really not a realistic expectation.

Huggins needs to let the program move on. Yes, we all know that he built winning basketball teams, but the cost was pretty high in doing so, both to the University, the city, UC supporters and himself. Time to move on Bob.

Yes, Bob should never attend another game in UC history, ever. :rolleyes: Today was not about Bob Huggins, it was about the seniors who wanted him to be there.

I don't think giving the fans, and that's what it's about, the fans, a chance to say goodbye is unrealistc at all. In fact, it would go a long way in mending the fences. This administration won't take that road though, no chance, instead they edit stories on their website and tell people to "get over it" when it's clear they have not. It's also the same reason that Nancy Zimpher will not be the President of UC 3 years from now.

traderumor
03-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Yes, Bob should never attend another game in UC history, ever. :rolleyes: Today was not about Bob Huggins, it was about the seniors who wanted him to be there.

I don't think giving the fans, and that's what it's about, the fans, a chance to say goodbye is unrealistc at all. In fact, it would go a long way in mending the fences. This administration won't take that road though, no chance, instead they edit stories on their website and tell people to "get over it" when it's clear they have not. It's also the same reason that Nancy Zimpher will not be the President of UC 3 years from now.
Nice red herring. He didn't just attend the game, he was the center of attention. If I fired a high level, high profile employee for cause, the last thing I'd be doing is throwing an appreciation party for them a few months later.

Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 11:03 PM
Nice red herring. He didn't just attend the game, he was the center of attention. If I fired a high level, high profile employee for cause, the last thing I'd be doing is throwing an appreciation party for them a few months later.

He was the center of attention? I must have missed that, and I was at the game. He didn't go onto the floor as requested by Eric Hicks; the pre-game ceremonies are not even televised, even though you claim it was all a TV stunt for Huggins. I DVR’ed the game and Huggins was shown maybe twice and he refused to do any in game interviews or comments. The comments he gave to reporters after the game focused on the accomplishments of the seniors and how proud he is, and the great job Kennedy has done.

The center of attention today was 1) The seniors 2) Getting a win over WVU to get an at large bid. Everything else is just your personal bias looking for another opportunity to bash Bob Huggins.

TeamMorris
03-04-2006, 11:10 PM
Some people really scare me! UC basketball is Huggins in MANY eyes and will remain that way for a long time. I am just happy that the real write up has been made public. Those who really do care will find the truth.

The whole thing just sucks:thumbdown! He may not be the coach anymore this year but the team on the floor IS his as the seniors have been for 4 years! He recruited them. They could at least give him that for this season. Move on next year!

dougdirt
03-04-2006, 11:12 PM
Nice red herring. He didn't just attend the game, he was the center of attention. If I fired a high level, high profile employee for cause, the last thing I'd be doing is throwing an appreciation party for them a few months later.

The problem was, Huggins wasnt fired for cause. Had that been the case, he would have been fired after his DUI, not many months later. Huggins was fired because Nancy bought into the national, but wrong idea that UC is a bunch of street thugs who dont get degrees. Thanks to Huggins recruiting.

Anyone who wants to complain about how Huggins showed up to stick it to Nancy is being a little outlandish. If Huggins really wanted to waste his time doing that, dont you think he could have afforded season tickets and shown up to most of the games? That would be a way to stick it to Nancy.

As for what the fans want, I think you heard today what the fans want when they chanted "HIRE ANDY" over and over and over.

dougdirt
03-04-2006, 11:15 PM
Oh, and if this was really about Bob Huggins, why is that that on every ESPN highlight of the game I have seen hasnot shown a single thing about Huggins being there? Becuase its not a big deal probably, except to those "fans" who hated Huggins for whatever reason they had, that probably wasnt a good one.

traderumor
03-04-2006, 11:17 PM
He was the center of attention? I must have missed that, and I was at the game. He didn't go onto the floor as requested by Eric Hicks; the pre-game ceremonies are not even televised, even though you claim it was all a TV stunt for Huggins. I DVR’ed the game and Huggins was shown maybe twice and he refused to do any in game interviews or comments. The comments he gave to reporters after the game focused on the accomplishments of the seniors and how proud he is, and the great job Kennedy has done.

The center of attention today was 1) The seniors 2) Getting a win over WVU to get an at large bid. Everything else is just your personal bias looking for another opportunity to bash Bob Huggins.


Where did I mention anything about a TV stunt? Here's what the article said happened:

He got a standing ovation and hugged the Bearcats' five seniors during pregame festivities - a surreal start to an important game for Cincinnati.


The Bearcats' last home game showed they still haven't gotten beyond Huggins' ouster. He repeatedly got standing ovations from the capacity crowd, who also chanted for school president Nancy Zimpher to give interim coach Andy Kennedy a contract. It's still a program at a crossroads.


After Downey made his two clinching free throws, Hicks jumped into the student section and Kennedy got a hug from Huggins. Kennedy then thanked the fans for supporting the team through its tribulations, adding, "One last thing: Huggs, we love you, brother." Huggins was invited by Hicks, one of the five seniors who received framed photographs of themselves at midcourt during a pregame tribute. Huggins stood at an opposite end of the court while the seniors were introduced. Hicks then led the seniors over to Huggins, who embraced each of them while the crowd exulted. Hicks wiped away tears with his white warmup shirt after the embrace. Huggins dabbed a tear from the corner of his right eye. "I wanted to be here, but I didn't want to do anything they (the school) didn't want me to do," Huggins said.

Now, someone may be biased here, but go ahead and do a review of how many times I have commented on any Huggins threads before you decide I'm taking another opportunity to bash Huggins. If you find any it will surprise me because I really just don't care and the whole thing was made into a circus from the time talk of his possible firing started. But the picture painted by the description in the article, which is all I have to go on with these events, sounds like he was very involved for an ousted coach.

MrCinatit
03-04-2006, 11:24 PM
technically a paper and/or website are legally allowed to edit a wire story, whether it be for room or to localize the story.
ethically, however, this is a different story. much of the context of the story has been changed so much, the tone of the story has been changed. this was something very frowned upon when i was in the field of journalism.

Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 11:30 PM
Where did I mention anything about a TV stunt? Here's what the article said happened:






Now, someone may be biased here, but go ahead and do a review of how many times I have commented on any Huggins threads before you decide I'm taking another opportunity to bash Huggins. If you find any it will surprise me because I really just don't care and the whole thing was made into a circus from the time talk of his possible firing started. But the picture painted by the description in the article, which is all I have to go on with these events, sounds like he was very involved for an ousted coach.

Kennedy made the comment on his own, how is that Huggins fault?

The standing O that Huggins got was not on TV, it was before the game even started and occurred when he went to his seat. Bob is still loved by the vast majority of UC fans, what do you think they are going to do, boo him? There were no Huggins chants or anything else during the game, only "Hire Andy" chants. The seniors hugging Bob, also not on TV. When they walked over the senior day ceremonies at center court were actually over, they walked over to him on the sidelines because they wanted to do it. Kennedy's little off the cuff speech after the game wasn't on TV either, in addition to the Huggins remark he also thanked the fans for their support of the program and of him personally, at which point many started chanting "Hire Andy!"

So much for Huggins getting the limelight and being the center of attention eh? Maybe, just maybe, he went for the players he recruited who asked him to be there. Imagine that!

Reds4Life
03-04-2006, 11:38 PM
FYI, UC has taken down the chopped up AP story and now has a different one up.

traderumor
03-04-2006, 11:41 PM
With all due respect, R4Life, I did not say one thing about using TV to accomplish anything, so your argument based on that premise falls apart. All I know is that the writer of the article made a big deal out of a fired coach's participation in Senior Day. You see loyalty, I see showmanship. Now, I do not know Huggins' motives anymore than you do, so really neither one of us have an argument on those grounds, either. So, I'll bow out at this point as more evidence that I really could care less.

Chip R
03-05-2006, 12:26 AM
I've got no problem with it. It's their website--and their perogative. What's the big deal? AP stories get edited ALL THE TIME.

I really don't see why all the fuss. UC simply wanted a more matter-of-fact approach to the story. They didn't change any facts, they just left out some stuff that they'd rather not include. So?

Perhaps they should leave out all references to Huggins then. Perhaps they should take down all the conference championship banners during the last 15 years. Perhaps they should take down that Final Four banner they got and give back the money they earned from that. Maybe they should take down all the NCAA banners that they got over the last 15 years and give back that money as well. And the capper should be to go through the record books and just delete all references and records belonging to Huggins and his players over his tenure. Goodbye Kenyon Martin. Adios Steve Logan. Sayonara Danny Fortsan. After all, you want to be consistent about a thing like this. :rolleyes:

max venable
03-05-2006, 01:16 AM
Perhaps they should leave out all references to Huggins then. Perhaps they should take down all the conference championship banners during the last 15 years. Perhaps they should take down that Final Four banner they got and give back the money they earned from that. Maybe they should take down all the NCAA banners that they got over the last 15 years and give back that money as well. And the capper should be to go through the record books and just delete all references and records belonging to Huggins and his players over his tenure. Goodbye Kenyon Martin. Adios Steve Logan. Sayonara Danny Fortsan. After all, you want to be consistent about a thing like this. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: O----M---G!

It's a summary about a BASKETBALL GAME! That's it! That's all they wanted. Should they change the box score so it somehow reflects the fact that Huggins was in the house? It's just a game summary. It's totally their perogative to leave out the stuff about Huggins. I would have done the same thing. They're not denying the fact that he was there, that he coached those kids, etc. I don't blame them at all. What is the big deal, people?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

TeamBoone
03-05-2006, 01:33 AM
A lot of us do care... a whole lot.

Chip R
03-05-2006, 02:02 AM
What is the big deal, people?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That's a good question, max. What is the big deal? Why edit the story and remove all references to Huggins? Sounds like UC is the one making it a big deal. And I thought the Reds were bad at PR. max, they made the story of the game the big story. It should have been a nice day for UC. Senior Day. Big win over a nationally ranked opponent. Probably sealed up an NCAA bid for a team that no one gave an ice cube's chance in hell to make the NCAAs back in October. They are going to get ready to play in their first Big East tournament at the Mecca of basketball, Madison Square Garden, in New York City. National TV exposure not only for the program but for the school as well. But no one's going to be talking about that now. Instead people are going to be talking about the edited story and why the UC administration is so obsessed with Bob Huggins. They won, he lost. He seems to have gotten over it but they haven't. We are making a big deal out of it because they are. If they had left the article as it was, there would be no story. Bob Huggins in attendance was news. Anyone who was paying attention knew he was there. Yet they chose to censor the article and decide for themselves what was news and what was not. If a fire had broken out in the arena and they had to clear everyone out for a while should they have taken that out too? Perhaps they should have gone further and said UC won by 20 and Eric Hicks scored 50 points. If you're going to start censoring news, why not just go all the way and make up stuff. Perhaps UC should hire the editors of Pravda from back when the Soviet Union was still around. They were experts at censorship.

paintmered
03-05-2006, 02:13 AM
A lot of us do care... a whole lot.

Word.

savafan
03-05-2006, 02:22 AM
Do they still run people out of town on a rail? That's what they need to do with Nancy Z

max venable
03-05-2006, 09:36 AM
:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

max venable
03-05-2006, 09:44 AM
From cbssportsline.com:


This was not Huggins' moment. This is not Huggins' team. Not any more. He lost his ownership papers when he lost his power struggle with UC president Nancy Zimpher in August. Zimpher pushed Huggins out the door. And out the door he has mostly stayed.

Saturday he kicked the door down. It was the Bearcats' regular-season finale, their senior day, and Eric Hicks and Armein Kirkland wanted to honor Huggins. And so Huggins did what he does: He did what he wanted.

He walked into the arena 15 minutes before tip-off to a standing ovation, he took his courtside seat, he did his interviews to chants of "Hugg-ins, Huggins," and he accepted hugs from the crying Hicks and every other UC senior during a pregame ceremony. And then he watched the most important game of Cincinnati's season from one of the most visible seats in the building.

It was the wrong thing to. I'm not just telling you. I told Huggins during the first half.

"But they asked me," he said. "I spoke to Andy. Andy wanted me to come."


http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/9283621
I've still go no problem with UC editing the story and going the game-summary route with it. And for the record...editing does not equal censorship. :rolleyes:

Chip R
03-05-2006, 10:51 AM
editing does not equal censorship
Except in this case.

Matt700wlw
03-05-2006, 12:36 PM
I recognized that he was invited in my post. He didn't have to accept and could have explained why to the players.

All things considered, it was a way for Huggins to thumb his nose at the UC Admin and remind everyone who the people want. And an appreciation day for a fired coach who went out on bad terms? That is just really not a realistic expectation.

Huggins needs to let the program move on. Yes, we all know that he built winning basketball teams, but the cost was pretty high in doing so, both to the University, the city, UC supporters and himself. Time to move on Bob.

This wasn't about Huggins....this was about the kids whos lives he made a difference in (Hicks in particular).

Hicks wouldn't be the man he is today without Bob Huggins.

If they wanted him there, then he should have been there.

Caveat Emperor
03-05-2006, 05:25 PM
This wasn't about Huggins....this was about the kids whos lives he made a difference in (Hicks in particular).

Hicks wouldn't be the man he is today without Bob Huggins.

If they wanted him there, then he should have been there.

This is the point, right here, that a lot of people are missing.

Huggins brought a lot of these seniors into UC as 17 and 18 year old kids. As part of the basketball program, they answered to him 7 days a week every week they were in Clifton (often even more than that). He was, by all accounts, a mentor, a teacher, a discplinarian, a confidant, a psychologist, and in some cases, a father figure to all of the men he recruited. All of those hours in the gym, conversations about basketball and about life, etc...none of that goes away just because some out-of-touch academic got it into her head that she needed to remake the athletic department in her own image. Nancy Zimpher can fire Bob Huggins, but she can't undo the impact he made on the University and, especially, the seniors on the program.

They, the seniors, wanted him to be there, because he's an important part of their lives that helped them fulfill their potential as players. It's a proud moment for all of them, and they (especially Hicks) wanted to share it with one of the most important people in their lives these past few years.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. If the media spins it one way, that's the media trying to sell papers.

max venable
03-06-2006, 11:39 AM
The whole AP edit thing turned out to be a non-story didn't it. Can't find a mention of it anywhere.

TeamBoone
03-06-2006, 11:54 AM
The whole AP edit thing turned out to be a non-story didn't it. Can't find a mention of it anywhere.

It was probably edited out. :p:

Roy Tucker
03-06-2006, 12:12 PM
I'm a big fan of Huggins, liked him a lot as UC coach, and I think his dismissal from UC was a farce.

But I also think he shouldn't have been at the Shoe on Saturday.

If he was truly comfortable with himself, with his place in UC history, and in particular with the graduating seniors, he should have stayed away. It's not his team any more. Kennedy took the guys that decided to stay and made a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Sure, Huggins recruited the guys and played a huge role in shaping their characters and playing abilities, but he is a season removed from the team. What they accomplished this year was on their own.

If he wanted a special moment with the seniors, he should have invited them all over to his house for steaks and root beers and had a *private* moment with the players. He knew that once he took one step into the Shoe, it was going to be a *huge* deal.

A man comfortable with himself and abilities wouldn't have to had to do that and would have been satisfied with the fact that he installed great character and abilities into his seniors and been happy with the fact that they used that as a base for this season. And then sat back and watched and been proud of where they went after he left. Instead, he created a big Huggs fest. I admire Huggins for a lot of things, but this time I think he played small ball.

flyer85
03-06-2006, 12:31 PM
That hug better be worth it Kennedy, it cost you the UC job. ... if that turns out to be true it will be the best thing for Kennedy. UC is a job only a lunatic would want with the current situation(almost zero talent in the toughest conference) then add the fact that Huggins is one of the great coaches of last 30 years and that he can't be replaced. Think of UNLV after Tark left, only much worse because UC has no talent left outside of Downey and I would expect him to transfer. WHo wants to go through all the losing that is going to happen for the next 3-4 years(at a minimum).

Cedric
03-06-2006, 12:59 PM
Nice red herring. He didn't just attend the game, he was the center of attention. If I fired a high level, high profile employee for cause, the last thing I'd be doing is throwing an appreciation party for them a few months later.

Are you being incredibly judgemental or does it just seem like it? How can you judge Huggins intent? I guess he was crying as a fake also? Come on man, don't always have to be so damn cynical.

Cedric
03-06-2006, 01:01 PM
I'm a big fan of Huggins, liked him a lot as UC coach, and I think his dismissal from UC was a farce.

But I also think he shouldn't have been at the Shoe on Saturday.

If he was truly comfortable with himself, with his place in UC history, and in particular with the graduating seniors, he should have stayed away. It's not his team any more. Kennedy took the guys that decided to stay and made a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Sure, Huggins recruited the guys and played a huge role in shaping their characters and playing abilities, but he is a season removed from the team. What they accomplished this year was on their own.

If he wanted a special moment with the seniors, he should have invited them all over to his house for steaks and root beers and had a *private* moment with the players. He knew that once he took one step into the Shoe, it was going to be a *huge* deal.

A man comfortable with himself and abilities wouldn't have to had to do that and would have been satisfied with the fact that he installed great character and abilities into his seniors and been happy with the fact that they used that as a base for this season. And then sat back and watched and been proud of where they went after he left. Instead, he created a big Huggs fest. I admire Huggins for a lot of things, but this time I think he played small ball.

He didn't "create" anything. He was asked to attend and maybe unlike everyone else he has moved on. It's absurd but some people think the guy should have left the damn state just so UC can move on. Where does Bob Huggins and his wants come into play? It's always been about appeasing everyone else and not him.

In my opinion the only thing that matters is that the seniors got what everyone else recruited by Bob got. A sendoff to their future. I could give a damn about what anyone else thinks. And I bet Kennedy, the players, and Hugs think the same way.

KittyDuran
03-06-2006, 01:49 PM
As someone who is neutral - I'm not a big college basketball fan, nor a fan of UC or Huggins... Is this really Huggins' good-bye? Or do the players ask Huggins back again when they go to the March Madness and do better than "one and done" and help them celebrate? :confused:

Ya know this seems like the same discussion that the board had when Larkin was visiting the Reds clubhouse while he was employed by the Nationals and how the Reds FO handled it...

Reds4Life
03-06-2006, 02:01 PM
As someone who is neutral - I'm not a big college basketball fan, nor a fan of UC or Huggins... Is this really Huggins' good-bye? Or do the players ask Huggins back again when they go to the March Madness and do better than "one and done" and help them celebrate? :confused:

Ya know this seems like the same discussion that the board had when Larkin was visiting the Reds clubhouse while he was employed by the Nationals and how the Reds FO handled it...

It was UC's last game at The Shoe this season. I'm sure Huggs will probably go to the Big East tourney games in NYC and to the NCAA games, but this was probably his last chance to say goodbye at home to the players and to the fans. He'll probably be getting a job in the next month or two, so this was really it for him.

I was at the game and those who are claiming the entire thing was about Huggs are 100% wrong, it was about the seniors and the fans. I think his appearance gave the players and fans closure, they just wanted a chance to say goodbye and they got that on Saturday.

Roy Tucker
03-06-2006, 03:08 PM
I was at the game and those who are claiming the entire thing was about Huggs are 100% wrong, it was about the seniors and the fans. I think his appearance gave the players and fans closure, they just wanted a chance to say goodbye and they got that on Saturday.


Yeah, all of my comments are based on just what I've read in the paper and web sites. I wasn't there, didn't see any video, etc etc.

So my comments are all half-baked idle musings of the ill-informed, i.e. what else is new?

If the procedings didn't come across as I envisioned, then that's good and I'll shut up now.