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NJReds
03-07-2006, 12:54 PM
From Marc's blog:
DUNEDIN -- The wind is blowing straight out here at sun-baked Knology Park. Really, straight out. I'll leave the interpretations to you.

Reds
Ryan Freel 2B
Felipe Lopez SS
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Jacob Cruz DH
Austin Kearns RF
Andy Abad LF
Quinton McCracken CF
Dane Sardinha C
Eric Milton P

Blue Jays
Wayne Lydon CF
Gregg Zaun C
Shea Hillenbrand 1B
Troy Glaus 3B
Eric Hinske RF
John-Ford Griffin LF
Sergio Santos SS
Curtis Thigpen DH
Ryan Roberts 2B
Roy Halladay P

acredsfan
03-07-2006, 12:58 PM
Game used baseball give-away day: Courtesy of Eric Milton and the Cincinnati Reds Pitching staff.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 12:59 PM
This one could get ugly....

traderumor
03-07-2006, 01:00 PM
John-Ford GriffinDidn't he team up with England Dan in the 70s? Wouldn't his age make him a potential bench player for us?

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 01:01 PM
Im going out on a limb here. Milton- 3ip, 1er, 2k, 1bb, 4 hits and 0 home runs.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 01:03 PM
Im going out on a limb here. Milton- 3ip, 1er, 2k, 1bb, 4 hits and 0 home runs.

Hey Scooby, don't look down. You're off the limb

Heath
03-07-2006, 01:07 PM
Didn't he team up with England Dan in the 70s? Wouldn't his age make him a potential bench player for us?

John Ford Coley says :wave: And he'd really like to see you tonight.

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 01:13 PM
Hey Scooby, don't look down. You're off the limb

Ruh-roh... *begins falling one realizing nothing is below the feet*

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 01:15 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :thumbup:

traderumor
03-07-2006, 01:27 PM
John Ford Coley says :wave: And he'd really like to see you tonight.
He's not talking about oblivion, or midian, or whatever that line is...(movin' in, and he don't want to change my life) :)

BRM
03-07-2006, 01:34 PM
Ryan Freel playing 2B? Say it ain't so!!

Chip R
03-07-2006, 01:35 PM
Too bad this isn't a night game cause there'd be a warm wind blowing and the stars are out.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 01:38 PM
Too bad this isn't a night game cause there'd be a warm wind blowing and the stars are out.
Those aren't stars, those are Blue Jays hits off Milton :help:

traderumor
03-07-2006, 01:40 PM
And of course now everyone is trying to quit humming that tune :evil: :laugh: , well, at least us, ahem, folks who know the song because of age.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 01:41 PM
It's a little known fact that home runs hit off Eric are measured in light years, not feet.

registerthis
03-07-2006, 01:47 PM
And of course now everyone is trying to quit humming that tune :evil: :laugh: , well, at least us, ahem, folks who know the song because of age.

It was a parental favorite of the early childhood.

"..stay at home and watch TV, you know it really doesn't matter much to me."

What a great couplet.

Heath
03-07-2006, 01:53 PM
It's a little known fact that home runs hit off Eric are measured in light years, not feet.

No, they are measured in light feet which "Sundown" was a pretty good song by a guy named Lightfoot.

(Welcome to RedsZone.com, where we dive in to songs of the '70's and relate them to Reds players of Today! :thumbup:)

Where's Kitty when we need her!

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 01:59 PM
And of course now everyone is trying to quit humming that tune :evil: :laugh: , well, at least us, ahem, folks who know the song because of age.

Darn it! I am going to be humming that the rest of the day.:D

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:03 PM
Darn it! I am going to be humming that the rest of the day.:D
That's ok, I had to rent "Ice Castles" not too long ago just to get the theme song out of my head...dang, there it is again..."please, don't let this feeling end..." and I cried when she skated in the championships at the end.

What is this, a game thread? Who's playing? :evil:

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 02:05 PM
Darn it! I am going to be humming that the rest of the day.:D

The sad part is that I can remember having that album on 8 track tape many years ago. I will now let someone else explain to the younger generation what 8 tracks are.:laugh:

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:06 PM
It was a parental favorite of the early childhood.

"..stay at home and watch TV, you know it really doesn't matter much to me."

What a great couplet.
I'm hearing it coming from the cheap, tinny sounding speakers at the putt-putt course on Monday Dollar Day--could play putt-putt all day for a dollar.

KittyDuran
03-07-2006, 02:10 PM
No, they are measured in light feet which "Sundown" was a pretty good song by a guy named Lightfoot.

(Welcome to RedsZone.com, where we dive in to songs of the '70's and relate them to Reds players of Today! :thumbup:)

Where's Kitty when we need her!Right here! You guys are doing just fine... now to get THAT song out of my head....:bang: :)

klw
03-07-2006, 02:14 PM
Interesting that Encarnacion is in the 4 slot but Kearns is down in the 6th.

Heath
03-07-2006, 02:16 PM
Interesting that Encarnacion is in the 4 slot but Kearns is down in the 6th.

What songs do they sing?? :confused: :dunno:


;)

Reds Fanatic
03-07-2006, 02:20 PM
Shea Hillenbrand homers off Milton in the 1st. 3-0 Blue Jays.

NJReds
03-07-2006, 02:20 PM
Bottom of the 1st.

Hillenbrand hits a HR...3-0 Jays
No outs.

:lastyear:

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:20 PM
back ... back ... back ... and gone.

Uncle Milty is in the house.

medford
03-07-2006, 02:21 PM
Not to get off topic here :), but Milton has currently given up 3 hits, 3 runs & 1 home run so far in the first.

A red managed to get a hit off of holiday in their half of the first.

Reds Fanatic
03-07-2006, 02:22 PM
Now 4-0 Blue Jays still in the bottom of the 1st.

NJReds
03-07-2006, 02:22 PM
4-0... still no outs.

NJReds
03-07-2006, 02:23 PM
In other baseball news:

Ramon Ortiz, now pitching for the Nationals, gave up 6 runs to the Marlins in the first. Top that Milton!

NCRed
03-07-2006, 02:23 PM
Welcome to last year !

NJReds
03-07-2006, 02:25 PM
From Marc's Blog:


Hoo boy

DUNEDIN -- Narron said Milton would throw 30-35 pitches today in his first Grapefruit League appearance. Now it looks like he might need them all to escape the first.

A double, a single and a three-run homer to dead center greeted the Reds' starter, who just retired Troy Glaus on a groundout for the first out of the first inning.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 02:25 PM
Ryan Freel playing 2B? Say it ain't so!!

Oh, he's just giving Tony a day off.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:25 PM
Krivsky has to be devising a plan to unload this joker, doesn't he?

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 02:26 PM
This lineup stinks.

Why do the "backups" keep getting batted 3rd? :dunno:

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 02:26 PM
Ahh Milton..lineup is irrelevant.

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:27 PM
Don't worry, it's just a ST game. Milton is way to scrappy to let this go on all year.

Milton really needs to give my sig a try.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:27 PM
And speaking of jokers, "you got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em" and its time to fold 'em on Milton. For the love of Jimmy Haynes and Danny Graves, fold 'em.

membengal
03-07-2006, 02:27 PM
Let's play guess the Milton quotes:

"I was just out there trying to get command of my pitches."

"This early in the spring is for getting the feel of all my pitches."

"He didn't hit the bull, he didn't win a steak."

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:29 PM
Oh, he's just giving Tony a day off.And rather than getting his running in with a caught stealing, he gets to show off his speed in the outfield during the game today.

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:29 PM
"I don't worry about giving up the HRs. I just don't want them to play small ball and single and bunt me to death."

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:30 PM
Let's play guess the Milton quotes:

"I was just out there trying to get command of my pitches."

"This early in the spring is for getting the feel of all my pitches."

"He didn't hit the bull, he didn't win a steak."

"I am just getting used to this new position on the rubber. Plus, Tom told me he lived through giving up a lot of homers..."

Heath
03-07-2006, 02:32 PM
Per Marc's Blog......


DUNEDIN -- Eric Milton's spring training debut is over after two-thirds of an inning.

With a runner on second and two out in the first, Curtis Thigpen popped one down the right-field line. After a long run into foul territory, Austin Kearns reached the ball but couldn't get a hold of it, and it fell foul. When I looked back toward the field, I saw Milton standing along the third-base line and Narron and Tom Hume coming out of the dugout to talk with him. After some discussion, Milton was removed from the game in favor of Chris Michalak, who inherits a 3-2 count. Looks like he might have aggravated that calf strain.

Milton threw 33 pitches, 20 of them strikes. He has allowed four runs so far, with one still out there on the bases, along with four hits and one walk. Not what he or the Reds were looking for today.



:lastyear:

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:32 PM
Ramon is hanging with him. He gave up a HR and 6 in the top of the first. I think I will miss their battle this season.

membengal
03-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Tell me again why we can't send Milton and Wilson on a snipe hunt in the Everglades?

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Looks like he might have aggravated that calf strain.
Probably not the only thing that is aggravated.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 02:34 PM
Now I expect to see the Reds scrap and bunt their way back into this contest. Just because the Blue Jays don't know how to play the game the right way doesn't mean the Reds can't show them a thing or two.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:34 PM
Tell me again why we can't send Milton and Wilson on a snipe hunt in the Everglades?PETA keeps intervening.

RedsFan75
03-07-2006, 02:34 PM
So for argument's sake, we manage to rid ourselves of Milton and Wilson....

Might have a chance at a half way decent pitching staff..

I wish Milton pitched in real life like he does in the video games!

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:35 PM
Tell me again why we can't send Milton and Wilson on a snipe hunt in the Everglades?Because their last teams did it and now they know there is no such thing as a snipe.

However, looking for Yeti in the Himalayas may be a viable option. Make sure it's only a one way ticket.

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 02:35 PM
Dear Casto

Release Milton

Love Krono

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 02:37 PM
Im going out on a limb here. Milton- 3ip, 1er, 2k, 1bb, 4 hits and 0 home runs.

What a moron this guy was.....

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:39 PM
Probably not the only thing that is aggravated.Yea, aggravated calf

3372

Just like Rodney really hurt his arm

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:39 PM
What a moron this guy was.....There are those hopeless people who always choose to "look on the bright side of life".

M2
03-07-2006, 02:39 PM
If Milton keeps this up for the next few weeks, I'm all for Krivsky coming out to the mound and making him the first on-field roster cut in history.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 02:40 PM
What a moron this guy was.....

I told you. Don't go wandering off on those limbs anymore.

LincolnparkRed
03-07-2006, 02:41 PM
Yea, aggravated calf

3372

Just like Rodney really hurt his arm

Well at least he didn't strain his neck watching the Jays plaster hits all over and out of the park

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 02:41 PM
There are those hopeless people who always choose to "look on the bright side of life".
Flyer, you do realize I was quoting myself right? It was a jab to myself for saying something dumb, but it was all in good fun.

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:42 PM
I told you. Don't go wandering off on those limbs anymore.at least not with Eric Milton anyway.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 02:42 PM
If Milton keeps this up for the next few weeks, I'm all for Krivsky coming out to the mound and making him the first on-field roster cut in history.

Wouldn't that be great! I would pay to see that!

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 02:43 PM
Getting a jump on Narron speak

"Milton is a proven winner who knows how to get the job done"

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:43 PM
Flyer, you do realize I was quoting myself right? It was a jab to myself for saying something dumb, but it was all in good fun.Yep, I was just adding a kick in the nuts for good measure so you will remember the next time you want to take a foray into the land of optimism while holding hands with Milton.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 02:44 PM
Yea, aggravated calf

Just like Rodney really hurt his arm

Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. You don't want to mess with that calf. Put him on the 60 day DL and hope he can come back in 2007.

BRM
03-07-2006, 02:44 PM
Now I expect to see the Reds scrap and bunt their way back into this contest. Just because the Blue Jays don't know how to play the game the right way doesn't mean the Reds can't show them a thing or two.

Sorry but this was hilarious. :laugh:

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:45 PM
Getting a jump on Narron speak

"Milton is a proven winner who knows how to get the job done"That was DanO.

Can't for once somebody come out and say, "That Milton guy sucks ... eggs."

DeadRedinCT
03-07-2006, 02:46 PM
Getting a jump on Narron speak

"Milton is a proven winner who knows how to get the job done"

How many drinks is that?

Caveat Emperor
03-07-2006, 02:46 PM
Tell me again why we can't send Milton and Wilson on a snipe hunt in the Everglades?

The hell with that, I think it's high time we made Milton take up quail hunting.
http://radio.weblogs.com/0107064/MyImages/dick-cheney.jpg

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 02:47 PM
Yep, I was just adding a kick in the nuts for good measure so you will remember the next time you want to take a foray into the land of optimism while holding hands with Milton.
Ha, ok just checking. I think it may be the last time I take a good side with Milton....heck, that may only be the second time I have.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:47 PM
I just have to say this no radio/tv game thread is approaching archivable status. Thanks for the laughs everybody. I think Milton days bring out the best in everyone!

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:49 PM
The hell with that, I think it's high time we made Milton take up quail hunting.
http://radio.weblogs.com/0107064/MyImages/dick-cheney.jpg
Why bring him into it?

http://www.realchange.org/quayle96.gif

flyer85
03-07-2006, 02:49 PM
I just have to say this no radio/tv game thread is approaching archivable status. Thanks for the laughs everybody. I think Milton days bring out the best in everyone!Ortiz gave up even more runs is the first today.

At least we can rejoice :party: in the fact he isn't here anymore. Thanks leatherpants.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 02:50 PM
I just have to say this no radio/tv game thread is approaching archivable status. Thanks for the laughs everybody. I think Milton days bring out the best in everyone!

And the worst in Milton. :eek:

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 02:50 PM
Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. You don't want to mess with that calf. Put him on the 60 day DL and hope he can come back in 2007.

Lets see if we can put him on the NFL IR and he would be out for the entire season. :evil:

Chip R
03-07-2006, 02:51 PM
Lets see if we can put him on the NFL IR and he would be out for the entire season. :evil:

There you go. Trade him to the Bengals.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:51 PM
Ha, ok just checking. I think it may be the last time I take a good side with Milton....heck, that may only be the second time I have.Apparently your parents didn't tell you some things you just never do...like unprotected sex and predicting a good outing for Milton.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 02:52 PM
Ortiz gave up even more runs is the first today.

At least we can rejoice :party: in the fact he isn't here anymore. Thanks leatherpants.Wonder if he's still happy about that slider Rijo taught him?

Chip R
03-07-2006, 02:55 PM
Wonder if he's still happy about that slider Rijo taught him?

Dude's always happy. :confused:

Newman4
03-07-2006, 03:04 PM
New here. The only calf that should be strained is the one that is attached to the foot that should be firmly planted up his ass.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:06 PM
Game's not on XM, but I just found it on MLB audio. 5-0 Blue Jays in the 4th.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:09 PM
Reds out in their half of the fourth, Jays up in the bottom half.

Germano pitching.

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 03:12 PM
Game's not on XM, but I just found it on MLB audio. 5-0 Blue Jays in the 4th.

Thanks! They didn't have it up earlier today.:thumbup:

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 03:15 PM
Through four Jays still lead 5-0.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:18 PM
Yeah, I was surprised to find it pop up as available. Kearns up to lead off the 5th.

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 03:20 PM
Nobody scores on Eric Milton

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:21 PM
Reds going meekly in the 5th, two outs so far.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:22 PM
McCracken works a walk with two outs.

minus5
03-07-2006, 03:22 PM
New here. The only calf that should be strained is the one that is attached to the foot that should be firmly planted up his ass.

Hello Newman

3373

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 03:24 PM
Sardines K's and ends the inning. 5-0 Jays.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:25 PM
Sardhina makes the last out, Jays up in their half of the 5th.

Todd Coffey on to pitch.

Described as "big, tall and strapping" by the Toronto announcers.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 03:26 PM
Sardines K's and ends the inning. 5-0 Jays.

I wonder if the 5 runs the Blue Jays scored are win-effective? :dunno:

Heath
03-07-2006, 03:28 PM
Read the thread fast enough and some words merge together to form thoughts that Clorox can't even bleach out of my mind. :bang:

I love this baseball club. It has to suck to be the Yankees being good and all. The suckitude of the current Reds have the hilarity of a good Seinfeld episode.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:29 PM
So far they are. hatteberg a diving stop and throws to coffey for an out. i think that makes two this inning.

flyer85
03-07-2006, 03:29 PM
I wonder if the 5 runs the Blue Jays scored are win-effective? :dunno:nah, they're just taking advantage of bad pitching and using the HR. It's not like they've been scrappy to get their runs.

BRM
03-07-2006, 03:29 PM
I wonder if the 5 runs the Blue Jays scored are win-effective? :dunno:

Three of them were scored on a HR in the 1st so I'd say no, they weren't win-effective.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:31 PM
Coffey breezes through the 5th, still 5-0 Toronto after five.

Heath
03-07-2006, 03:32 PM
Nobody scores on Eric Milton

Well, all except the Braves, Mets, Nats, Phillies, Marlins, Cubs, Cardinals, Astros, Brewers, Pirates, Dodgers, Rockies, Giants, Diamondbacks, & Padres.

Everyone has scored on Milton. Except Anna Benson.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 03:32 PM
Three of them were scored on a HR in the 1st so I'd say no, they weren't win-effective.

That was my take as well.

registerthis
03-07-2006, 03:35 PM
Nobody scores on Eric Milton

Nobody scores (once) on Eric Milton.

Just like all of MC Hawking's shootings be driveby's, all of Milton's runs are homers.

registerthis
03-07-2006, 03:36 PM
Described as "big, tall and strapping" by the Toronto announcers.

Wait, is this gmae being broadcast somewhere?

cumberlandreds
03-07-2006, 03:37 PM
Wait, is this gmae being broadcast somewhere?


MLB audio has it. The Jays announcers.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 03:37 PM
Wait, is this gmae being broadcast somewhere?


Brokeback Mountain, apparently. ;)

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:39 PM
Yeah, see my post above, it popped up on MLB audio. I found it in the 4th, it wasn't listed earlier.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:39 PM
Missed some stuff, some Reds appear to be on, I don't know how. EE was one of them, but was just pinch-run for.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 03:42 PM
Felipe whiffed but reached on either a WP or PB

Hatteberg singled, EE singled home a run

5-1 Jays

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:43 PM
Thanks TR, should have guessed EE drove someone in. He sucks and isn't scrappy at all.

Kearns just struck out.

Jays announcers are listing score as 5-2. There are two outs in the sixth.

BRM
03-07-2006, 03:45 PM
EE should have bunted Hatteberg over.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 03:47 PM
Thanks TR, should have guessed EE drove someone in. He sucks and isn't scrappy at all.

Kearns just struck out.

Jays announcers are listing score as 5-2. There are two outs in the sixth.I may have missed something while the Jays announcers do their best Marty imitation by making the game a side issue to interviewing the Umpires supervisor.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:48 PM
At least AK should have... he failed miserably in his at-bat and Narron probably thinks he should shoot himself.

Bottom of the 6th starting, 5-2 Jays.

DannyB
03-07-2006, 03:48 PM
Some better defense up the middle this game could have belonged to the Reds

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 03:49 PM
he failed miserably in his at-bat and Narron probably thinks he should shoot himself.

:laugh: :laugh:

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 03:50 PM
Elizardo Ramirez is now pitching. First batter doubles, second pops out, third works the count full and grounds to second. Guillermo Quiroz, once a hotshot catching prospect, looks at a third strike to end the inning.

After 6... Jays 5, Reds 2.

flyer85
03-07-2006, 03:53 PM
Is that Emilio Lizardo now pitching for the Reds?

M2
03-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Is that Emilio Lizardo now pitching for the Reds?

And John Bigboutay is in the pen.

Red Rover
03-07-2006, 03:54 PM
Elizardo Ramirez is now pitching. First batter doubles, second pops out.

Narron shaking his head at the opposition while muttering "small ball, small ball"

djsauter
03-07-2006, 03:57 PM
If this new organization wants any credibility, it cannot let Eric Milton be in our rotation. Seriously, all jokes aside, Milton is a joke of a pitcher. If he makes the team, it will seriously be very sad.

membengal
03-07-2006, 03:57 PM
Ramirez gets out of inning, 5-2 Jays headed to the seventh, I believe.

Heath
03-07-2006, 03:57 PM
Hi TeamBoone, if you are reading this thread, this thread is for the game of Tuesday, March 7, 2006. The teams playing are the Toronto Blue Jays against your Cincinnati Reds. Please pause 10 seconds for station identfication on the RedsZone.Com radio network.


Welcome TeamBoone and enjoy today's game!

;)

Chip R
03-07-2006, 03:58 PM
If this new organization wants any credibility, it cannot let Eric Milton be in our rotation. Seriously, all jokes aside, Milton is a joke of a pitcher. If he makes the team, it will seriously be very sad.

Kullman had the right idea. Put him in long relief. Bring back Kullman!!!

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:02 PM
Groundout and a Sardinha K are the first two outs of the seventh.

Earl Snyder continues the inning with a broken-bat squid infield hit.

Derek Wathan gets ahead 3-0 but lines out to left-center. He must be on the Dodgers hitting philosophy.

TOR 5, CIN 2, middle of 7.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 04:02 PM
Groundout and a Sardinha K are the first two outs of the seventh.

That's not very scrappy.

membengal
03-07-2006, 04:03 PM
The Snyder guy gets a scrappy infield hit. One on, two out.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:06 PM
I thought Canadians didn't sing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". Maybe that was just the Expos fans. Or are there even any Canadians in Dunedin today?

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:06 PM
Groundout and a Sardinha K are the first two outs of the seventh.

Earl Snyder continues the inning with a broken-bat squid infield hit.

Derek Wathan gets ahead 3-0 but lines out to left-center. He must be on the Dodgers hitting philosophy.

TOR 5, CIN 2, middle of 7.

If homers are Miltons and double plays are Caseys, how about Ks being Sardinhas?

M2
03-07-2006, 04:07 PM
If homers are Miltons and double plays are Caseys, how about Ks being Sardinhas?

I don't know about that, but he is part sharpei.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:07 PM
If homers are Miltons and double plays are Caseys, how about Ks being Sardinhas?

Because Ks are Penas. Or Dunns. :evil:

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:07 PM
The Lizard stays in for a second inning. He knows how to play the game, see, and since he knew there were more innings to be played (cleverly pointing this out to all those blasted kids in the dugout that thought you just played until someone's mom called them in for dinner), he's rewarded by Jerry Narron.

Ray Olmedo with a great barehand play at short for out number one.

Strikeout called on the second guy, and Chad Mottola steps in. He quickly pops out to third, though.

End of 7- 5-2 Toronto.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:09 PM
Because Ks are Penas. Or Dunns. :evil:But they do other things, also. Sardinha...K...K....K....K

Heath
03-07-2006, 04:09 PM
Folks if you joined us late, you might be seeing a discussion of a Spring Training game in midseason RedsZone.com form.

How we lookin'?

flyer85
03-07-2006, 04:10 PM
Ray Olmedo with a great barehand play at short for out number one.good thing we won't be needing that guy, especially since we have ...

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:10 PM
The Lizard stays in for a second inning. He knows how to play the game, see, and since there were more innings to be played, he's rewarded by Jerry Narron.

Ray Olmedo with a great barehand play at short for out number one.The Lizard is a PTCer, Pitch to contact


Hey, hey, Chad Motolla hitting how about that

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 04:11 PM
How we lookin'?
Survery SAYS!!!

SUCK!

membengal
03-07-2006, 04:12 PM
This board is nothing if not scrappy. There is scrappiness as far as the eye can see, and perhaps even as far as the keyboard can type.

The kind of scrappiness usually only seen on guys with OBPs under .300.

Reds batting in the top of the 8th, still 5-2 Toronto.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:12 PM
SUCK!
You have to mask ****, but then you get warning points. Don't do that again.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 04:12 PM
I thought Canadians didn't sing "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". Maybe that was just the Expos fans. Or are there even any Canadians in Dunedin today?

I would think that song is universal. Maybe it doesn't translate well in French. The real question is will they play God Bless America?

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:13 PM
The Lizard is a PTCer, Pitch to contact


Hey, hey, Chad Motolla hitting how about that

Well, he was swinging a bat but I don't think what he does is considered hitting.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:13 PM
Top of 8. A lefty I've never heard of appropriately named Blank is pitching.

Krono: You may not have heard of the remixed version called "God Bless North America". This represents an evolution in belief on the part of the US government; back in the Reagan years Canada was just considered State 51 (or Area 51), depending on how the trade deficit was shaping up.

Tuffy Rhodes is batting. (First two guys made outs while I was blabbering.) Too bad he's not Scrappy Rhodes, or he'd already have that roster spot sewn up. He gets ahead 3-1, but strikes out swinging.

5-2 after 7.5.

flyer85
03-07-2006, 04:14 PM
This board is nothing if not scrappy. There is scrappiness as far as the eye can see, and perhaps even as far as the keyboard can type.

The kind of scrappiness usually only seen on guys with OBPs under .300.

Reds batting in the top of the 8th, still 5-2 Toronto.it takes a lot of scrappy to hang out on a message board for a exhibition game on a day that Eric Milton is pitching.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:16 PM
I would think that song is universal. Maybe it doesn't translate well in French. The real question is will they play God Bless America?

Just rolls off the tongue

Amène-moi au baseball,
Amène-moi dans la foule;
Achète-moi arachides et biscuits secs,
C'n'est pas grave si j'ne reviendrai pas.
Encourageons l'équipe locale,
S'ils ne gagnent pas c'est la honte;
C'est une, deux, trois prises, retraits au vieux jeu d'balle.

BCubb2003
03-07-2006, 04:17 PM
The Lizard is a PTCer, Pitch to contact


Hey, hey, Chad Motolla hitting how about that

Syracuse Skychiefs home run legend Chad Mottola.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:22 PM
Bottom of 8.

Some rookie spanks a two-out solo homer off whoever was pitching. I was getting lunch and missed it.

6-2 Jays to the ninth.

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:23 PM
If you knew how to play the game, you'd know who was in the game.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Me_Out_To_The_Ball_Game
Don't think I've sung that tune during the 7th inning stretch. Good to see one of Casey's descendants mentioned though.


1908 Version

Katie Casey was baseball mad,
Had the fever and had it bad.
Just to root for the home town crew,
Ev'ry sou1
Katie blew.
On a Saturday her young beau
Called to see if she'd like to go
To see a show
But Miss Kate said "No,
I'll tell you what you can do:"

1 The term "sou", now obscure, was at the time common slang for a low-denomination coin. Carly Simon's version, produced for Ken Burns' 1994 documentary on baseball, reads "Ev'ry cent / Katie spent".

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:25 PM
Top of 9.

Buck Buchanan manages a seeing-eye single up the middle. Andy Abad walks. Chris Denorfia comes up. He'll be bunting. Somehow, he fails to get the bunt down (more tutelage needed in AAA on how to play the game) and walks, loading the bases.

Steve Torrealba now batting. He grounds a base hit to left, scoring one. 6-3 Jays, still no one out.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:25 PM
If you knew how to play the game, you'd know who was in the game.

Which is why I was demoted to an AAA city.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:26 PM
Top of 9.

Buck Buchanan manages a seeing-eye single up the middle.Now that is scrappy. Seeing-eye singles (as opposed to blind-as-a-bat homers) only come for those who play the game the right way.

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:27 PM
Apparently it was Erik Kratz that homered off Mike Burns.

Heath
03-07-2006, 04:29 PM
Mike Burns eats worms.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:29 PM
http://www.rallycapcouriers.com/images/spt-ran.jpgIt's on baby.

membengal
03-07-2006, 04:29 PM
Abad gotr a scrappy walk.

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Apparently it was Erik Kratz that homered off Mike Burns.
Are one or both of these guys Reds? :help:

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Earl Snyder up with the bases loaded, no outs, down by three. Look for the squeeze play from Jerry.

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Abad gotr a scrappy walk.

Walks aren't scrappy.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Instead Snyder watches two straight strikes. Then he lines into a double play.

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Walks are unmanly.

Heath
03-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Let's check the out-of-town scoreboard -

Marlins 20, Nationals 1.
Dominican Republic 6, Venezula 4

That's all I have.

membengal
03-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Somone lined into a double play. Not so scrappy.

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Derek Wathan is the Reds' last hope. He pops up feebly to end it.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:32 PM
Dang rally caps never work. Snyder lines into a Casey

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:32 PM
Somone lined into a double play. Not so scrappy.

That's why they should have bunted.

membengal
03-07-2006, 04:32 PM
John Wathan's kid is up with two outs.

Heath
03-07-2006, 04:32 PM
Derek Wathan is the Reds' last hope.

I vote no.

membengal
03-07-2006, 04:33 PM
Pop out to end the game.

6-3 Toronto win. That's their first win. They are dedicating the win to Eric Milton, calling him the "wind beneath their wings".

Doc. Scott
03-07-2006, 04:33 PM
Toronto wins its first game this spring. Obviously, they hadn't been playing the game the right way.

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 04:33 PM
A DP is of course better then a strike out.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 04:33 PM
Just rolls off the tongue

Amène-moi au baseball,
Amène-moi dans la foule;
Achète-moi arachides et biscuits secs,
C'n'est pas grave si j'ne reviendrai pas.
Encourageons l'équipe locale,
S'ils ne gagnent pas c'est la honte;
C'est une, deux, trois prises, retraits au vieux jeu d'balle.

You shore got a purty mouth.

Had a girlfriend once who could speak French. Let's just say it made some of our IMs very interesting. :cool:

LincolnparkRed
03-07-2006, 04:33 PM
good thing we won't be needing that guy, especially since we have ...

Not to go back on this comment but he is out of options and would have to be released to go back to Louisville?? :help:

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Jays needed a win, Milton the Bizarro stopper helps the opponent end a losing streak.

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:34 PM
A DP is of course better then a strike out.

Absolutely! Making contact is always better than striking out.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:35 PM
The Jays announcer just said "God bless" to sign off. I didn't think you were allowed to do that in Canada?

Heath
03-07-2006, 04:36 PM
Isn't it time for the bottom of the fifth - or is it for a bottom of the fifth :help:

Chip R
03-07-2006, 04:36 PM
The Jays announcer just said "God bless" to sign off. I didn't think you were allowed to do that in Canada?

We're not in Canada anymore, Toto. :p:

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:37 PM
A DP is of course better then a strike out.What's a DP? I only know of Caseys.

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:37 PM
So, the Jays play the game the wrong way and still get the W? Is there no justice in the world?

KronoRed
03-07-2006, 04:39 PM
So, the Jays play the game the wrong way and still get the W? Is there no justice in the world?
It's very Cold there..so we have that going for us

flyer85
03-07-2006, 04:44 PM
but he is out of options and would have to be released to go back to Louisville?? :help:he would have to go through waivers

BRM
03-07-2006, 04:45 PM
From Marc


DUNEDIN -- Took a while, but we finally talked with Milton a few minutes ago. His right calf was heavily wrapped in ice, and you can guess what his mood was like.

"It’s hard for me to use my calf as an excuse for the way I was pitching," he said. "If I can throw the ball, I’m going to go out there and throw the ball. I’m not looking for a reason to come out of the game, that’s for sure."

Does he need to shut it down for a while to make sure he's healed completely before going back on the mound?

"For me, I’ve got to be out there. After today, I want to go back out there tomorrow and pitch. I’ve got to listen to the doctors and the trainers and do what they say, but if it was up to me, I’d be pitching tomorrow. Today was pretty much an embarrassment to me."

flyer85
03-07-2006, 04:47 PM
It's very Cold there..so we have that going for us"on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me"

Chip R
03-07-2006, 04:47 PM
"Today was pretty much an embarrassment to me."

So was last year.

Red Leader
03-07-2006, 04:47 PM
An embarrassment? Perhaps he hasn't seen the Reds 2005 highlight reel yet? :dunno:

flyer85
03-07-2006, 04:48 PM
Does he need to shut it down for a while to make sure he's healed completely before going back on the mound?I would say 4 months or so just to be safe.

M2
03-07-2006, 04:48 PM
"After today, I want to go back out there tomorrow and pitch. I’ve got to listen to the doctors and the trainers and do what they say, but if it was up to me, I’d be pitching tomorrow. Today was pretty much an embarrassment to me."

When does he get so embarrassed that he decides it's best not to go back out there? I know I've reached the point where I look away when he's on the mound.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 04:50 PM
When does he get so embarrassed that he decides it's best not to go back out there? I know I've reached the point where I look away when he's on the mound.Might not be a good idea if you're sitting in the OF seats. :eek:

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:51 PM
I would say 4 months or so just to be safe.
Plus a rehab stint in Billings

flyer85
03-07-2006, 04:52 PM
Plus a rehab stint in Billingsand at every minor league affiliate between there and Cincinnnati.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 04:54 PM
When does he get so embarrassed that he decides it's best not to go back out there? I know I've reached the point where I look away when he's on the mound.

Metaphorical Baseball Cards

Eric Milton's

http://www.rotten.com/library/sideshow/elephant-man/elephantman1.jpg

They're really quite well done, even went to the detail of having his glove on the right hand...oh wait, that's not his glove

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 05:06 PM
this doesnt really have to do with the game, but I got negged rep points for calling myself a moron after i said Milton would go 3ip and only give up 1 run before the game started. can I really be negged for calling myself a moron?

ochre
03-07-2006, 05:08 PM
Jimmy "Riddle" Haynes was given 4 starts through which to manifest his starting pitcher putrescence. What will the new regime deign to be the 'suckage' threshold for Mr. Milton?

flyer85
03-07-2006, 05:10 PM
Jimmy "Riddle" Haynes was given 4 starts through which to manifest his starting pitcher putrescence. That was only in the last year of his deal. Milton has another year before he reaches that point. I think Milton stays, pitches and ...(you can fill it in).

dougdirt
03-07-2006, 05:16 PM
That was only in the last year of his deal. Milton has another year before he reaches that point. I think Milton stays, pitches and ...(you can fill it in).
Milton stays, pitches and ..... We cry.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 05:19 PM
That was only in the last year of his deal. Milton has another year before he reaches that point. I think Milton stays, pitches and ...(you can fill it in).ducks

ochre
03-07-2006, 05:20 PM
That was only in the last year of his deal. Milton has another year before he reaches that point. I think Milton stays, pitches and ...(you can fill it in).
The parallel is in having them start games. Pretty much guarantees your team will need 6+ runs to win on days they start. Sure, because of the contract issue they'll probably not outright cut him, but I sure as heck hope they stop starting him.

RedsFan75
03-07-2006, 05:27 PM
That was only in the last year of his deal. Milton has another year before he reaches that point. I think Milton stays, pitches and ...(you can fill it in).

ducks

SO I read this and immediately think Charlie Brown. :D

Strikes Out Looking
03-07-2006, 05:49 PM
I asked this last year, but never really got a good answer. Why can't Milton be assigned to the minor leagues until/if he gets his act together? Even if the Reds get stuck paying him 8 million at Louisville, he still can't do any damage to the big club.

Chip R
03-07-2006, 05:54 PM
I asked this last year, but never really got a good answer. Why can't Milton be assigned to the minor leagues until/if he gets his act together? Even if the Reds get stuck paying him 8 million at Louisville, he still can't do any damage to the big club.

It'd have to be like a Graves thing where he'd be designated for assignment. He'd have to clear waivers first. I'm sure he'd clear waivers but then it would be up to him whether to be a free agent of be assigned to LOU or wherever. And would we really want to foist him off on the good citizens of Louisville? ;)

Now if you're asking if he could be do extended Spring Training, that's another story. He'd have to be somewhat injured and I think he could only stay there so long. Plus I believe they would need his permission for that and I doubt he'd give it.

Strikes Out Looking
03-07-2006, 06:01 PM
What I'm asking is how can we get him off the big league roster. If they cut him I assume they still have to pay his salary so I would want him to pitch in the minors hoping that he can figure out his problems or someone else will decide to gamble on him.

RedsManRick
03-07-2006, 06:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that if we DFA'd him, he accepted free agency and signed elsewhere, that his new team would be responsible for the major league minimum and we'd be on the hook for the rest of his full salary.

traderumor
03-07-2006, 06:09 PM
Now if you're asking if he could be do extended Spring Training, that's another story. He'd have to be somewhat injured and I think he could only stay there so long. Plus I believe they would need his permission for that and I doubt he'd give it.I would expect a response of "I'm not hurt, I just stink."

Falls City Beer
03-07-2006, 06:10 PM
I'm pretty sure that if we DFA'd him, he accepted free agency and signed elsewhere, that his new team would be responsible for the major league minimum and we'd be on the hook for the rest of his full salary.

Fine. I said it first--if Castellini has anything resembling stones, he flat-out cuts Milton.

Total embarrassment to the franchise. Be gone. Money where your mouth is, Casty baby.

Roy Tucker
03-08-2006, 11:03 AM
Just rolls off the tongue

Amène-moi au baseball,
Amène-moi dans la foule;
Achète-moi arachides et biscuits secs,
C'n'est pas grave si j'ne reviendrai pas.
Encourageons l'équipe locale,
S'ils ne gagnent pas c'est la honte;
C'est une, deux, trois prises, retraits au vieux jeu d'balle.



I emailed this to my 9th grader who is taking French. This is her translation:



Bring me to the baseball,
Bring Me in the crowd;
Buy Me groundnuts and dry cookies,
I am not serious if they will return not.
Encourage the local team,
Themselves they do not win this is shame;
This is a, two, three taken, collections to the old game d'balle.

hahaha how clever of thou [:

traderumor
03-08-2006, 12:05 PM
Fine. I said it first--if Castellini has anything resembling stones, he flat-out cuts Milton.

Total embarrassment to the franchise. Be gone. Money where your mouth is, Casty baby.The best idea for Milton is to package him in the inevitable Kearns or Pena deal and eat some of the cash. I can imagine someone would take a flyer for about half of his remaining contract over the next couple of years and we save a few bucks ourself. What would really help the situation is if he got off to an anomalic start and had an ERA somewhere in the high 3s to low 4s at the end of April. Start a big PR push about how his knee is doing well and that the simple idea of moving his position on the rubber has made all the difference.

C'mon Wayne, get busy with those big ballpark teams ;)

M2
03-08-2006, 12:22 PM
I'm leaning toward the FCB solution with Milton. Out him as intolerably lousy. Yes it costs you almost $20 million, but the only thing worse than paying Milton not to pitch for you is paying him to pitch for you.

IslandRed
03-08-2006, 12:43 PM
I could go for that, but it's not going to happen in spring training. It's better to do as traderumor said, hope that he can get it together long enough to dump him on someone else for a little something. If he doesn't get it together, then fine, bring out the DFA.

If we were a serious contender this year or if we had legit prospects ready to step in that Milton was blocking, I would be less patient about it. But we aren't and we don't.

ochre
03-08-2006, 12:50 PM
Long Relief. Shuffle him off to a corner office. Maybe his pride kicks in then and he retires.

Heath
03-08-2006, 01:05 PM
Long Relief. Shuffle him off to a corner office. Maybe his pride kicks in then and he retires.

Pride still gets paid for 16 million over the next 2 years.

IMHO - someone's going to take it - even if it means the Reds eat a ton of money.

So, Milton-Womack-Pena to the Marlins for Cabrera? ;)

ochre
03-08-2006, 01:06 PM
Pride still gets paid for 16 million over the next 2 years.

IMHO - someone's going to take it - even if it means the Reds eat a ton of money.

So, Milton-Womack-Pena to the Marlins for Cabrera? ;)
yeah, I know he wouldn't likely retire. Less damaging in long relief though.

Falls City Beer
03-08-2006, 01:23 PM
Long Relief. Shuffle him off to a corner office. Maybe his pride kicks in then and he retires.

That's playing it just close enough to the vest to create a disaster.

It's a wart on the tip of the franchise's nose. No amount of makeup is going to conceal it.

ochre
03-08-2006, 01:38 PM
I know what you're saying about being definitive. I just see it as a sunk cost issue. They're already paying him all that money regardless. Might as well abuse him in long relief instead of the next Brian Reith. Starting him just creates future long relief opportunities. Using him in meaningful situations from the bullpen will net lines similar to yesterday's.

I would be impressed if they just released him straight up, though I don't see it happening.

ochre
03-08-2006, 01:40 PM
And what I'm asking for isn't makeup. I'm talking [pitcher in the] iron mask.

gonelong
03-08-2006, 03:48 PM
I emailed this to my 9th grader who is taking French. This is her translation:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

For future reference, this is a handy translator, easy to use.

GL

Bring me to baseball,
Amène me in crowd;
Buy to me groundnuts and dry biscuits,
It is not serious if I will not return.
Let us encourage the local team,
If they do not gain it is shame;
It is one, two, three catches, withdrawals
with the old play of ball.

gonelong
03-08-2006, 04:12 PM
I'm leaning toward the FCB solution with Milton. Out him as intolerably lousy. Yes it costs you almost $20 million, but the only thing worse than paying Milton not to pitch for you is paying him to pitch for you.

Obviously it would have been better to never sign him, but that is not Kriv's fault, and he has gotta clean up this mess the best he can. Ideally he would get someone to take even 1/3 of his salary.

I am not against just dropping the guy ... but I'd try a few things with him first as its not probable the Reds are going to make the playoffs this season, nor would he be holding up any young talent from getting their chance to take their knocks. If the Reds were even a 25-35% chance to make the playoffs I wouldn't even consider it.

1) Can we teach the guy something unusual? How about pitching sidearm or learning the forgotten split-fingered fastball?

2) Can we nurse him through enough outings in the 1st 1/2 of the season in order to get someone to bite on ANY of his contract? If he has 5 decent innings in, pull him before he can put the 1st two guys on in the sixth, especially if the meat of the order is coming up. If you let him in, bring in one of your better relievers to make sure he gets out of the inning without letting any of the inherited runners score.

3) Send him to Mike Marshall and tell him its Miltons last chance and his first. Get to work. ;)

I know that seams like quite a bit of work to get 5-6M savings out of Milton, but if the guy somehow pitches 4.75 ball somebody would take a chance on him. If its not going well early, it'd be easy enough to go ahead and dump him then.

GL

DeadRedinCT
03-08-2006, 05:05 PM
Just have payroll fix the "glitch" in paying Milton. Then let it resolve itself naturally.