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Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 03:31 PM
Here are the lineups from Marc's blog:


SARASOTA -- Courtesy of Rob Butcher...

Canada
Pete Orr SS
Stubby Clapp 2B
Jason Bay LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Matt Stairs DH
Corey Koskie 3B
Pierre-Luc Laforest C
Aaron Guiel RF
Adam Stern CF
Adam Loewen P

USA
Michael Young 2B
Derek Jeter SS
Ken Griffey Jr. CF
Derrek Lee DH
Chipper Jones 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Vernon Wells RF
Jason Varitek C
Matt Holliday LF
Dontrelle Willis P

BRM
03-08-2006, 03:35 PM
I really wish they would DH Griffey.

Chip R
03-08-2006, 03:36 PM
I'm not saying this just cause he's lurking on this thread but Marc is the hardest working writer in show business. Lineups and updates not only for both split squad games but the WBC game too.

M2
03-08-2006, 03:40 PM
Jr.s playing CF and Vernon Wells is in RF? Now that's just silly.

DeadRedinCT
03-08-2006, 03:49 PM
You can't stop Stubby Clapp. You can only hope to contain him.

Matt700wlw
03-08-2006, 03:55 PM
Bold prediction:

Griffey hits a long ball

:D

rdiersin
03-08-2006, 03:57 PM
You can't stop Stubby Clapp. You can only hope to contain him.

So that's who Jimmy Dugan was talking about.

Heath
03-08-2006, 03:58 PM
You can't stop Stubby Clapp. You can only hope to contain him.

Only with a doctor's prescription.

RedsMan3203
03-08-2006, 04:23 PM
Griff is up! W00t, Glad we get to see this....

I'm so ready for baseball.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Canada scored 1 in the top of the 1st. 1-0 Canada in the bottom of the 1st.

RedsMan3203
03-08-2006, 04:25 PM
JR goes to a 3-1 count and they go back to the other game.

Bleh.

BRM
03-08-2006, 04:27 PM
Junior walks. Two on, one out for Derrek Lee.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 04:27 PM
Junior walks. US has runners on 1st and 2nd with one out.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 04:29 PM
Lee walks. Bases loaded for Chipper Jones.

BRM
03-08-2006, 04:29 PM
Lee walks. Bases loaded for Chipper.

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Chipper grounds into a 6-4-3

Canada 1-0 after 1.

mlb.com has live gamecast.

BRM
03-08-2006, 04:32 PM
Chipper hits into a 6-4-3 to end the inning.

KronoRed
03-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Good thing he didn't K

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Back to back triples for Canada. Canada now leads 2-0 top 2nd.

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:39 PM
Canada scores again - 2-0 - on back-to-back triples

pedro
03-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Stubby Clapp might be the most horrifying name ever.

KronoRed
03-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Pete Griffin says...

Canada Sucks

;)

BRM
03-08-2006, 04:40 PM
Good thing he didn't K

The #5 hitter should always shorten his swing and try to put the ball in play in bases loaded situations.

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:42 PM
Mid 2 Canada 2, USA 0

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 04:42 PM
Willis is about to hit the pitch count limit. He is already at 51 pitches.

M2
03-08-2006, 04:45 PM
Willis is about to hit the pitch count limit. He is already at 51 pitches.

Sneaky Canadians walked in with a gameplan to make pitchers still trying to find their groove throw strikes.

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:47 PM
Now on ESPN if you can or so desire.

Cuba/Panama still on the deuce.

RedsMan3203
03-08-2006, 04:50 PM
game is on ESPN now....

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:50 PM
Adam Loewen looking like the Canadian Cy Young, allows one hit and no runs - 2-0 Canada after 2

KronoRed
03-08-2006, 04:51 PM
If we lose this I say we lay siege to Toronto

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:53 PM
Canada treating Dontrelle Willis like Eric Milton has 1st & 2nd with no out.

Al Leiter to follow.

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:54 PM
And Matt Stairs is Canadian.

BRM
03-08-2006, 04:55 PM
Canada treating Dontrelle Willis like Eric Milton has 1st & 2nd with no out.

Al Leiter to follow.

:help:

rdiersin
03-08-2006, 04:56 PM
If we lose this I say we lay siege to Toronto

This guy wants to lead the siege

http://shopping.yahoo.com/video/images/muze/dvd/sm/40/176440.jpg

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Stairs out 6-3
Koskie out PopOut to 6

Heath
03-08-2006, 04:57 PM
Canada scores on an infield single 3-0

Willis is done.

Here comes Leiter.

I'm going home.

BRM
03-08-2006, 05:08 PM
It's now 5-0 Canada, still in the 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 05:13 PM
Junior doubles.

TeamBoone
03-08-2006, 05:14 PM
Griffey's in scoring position with 2 outs. I'm not sure how he got there; I just switched it after reading the post above.

thanks, RF.

BRM
03-08-2006, 05:16 PM
Lee grounds out to end the inning.

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 05:24 PM
What genius invited Al Leiter to the WBC and left out Roy Oswalt?

This will be an embarrassing loss.

flyer85
03-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Stubby Clapp might be the most horrifying name ever.sounds like a midget with a venereal disease

RFS62
03-08-2006, 05:26 PM
We're gonna have the mercy rule put on us.

pedro
03-08-2006, 05:27 PM
ouch.

pedro
03-08-2006, 05:28 PM
O Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

BRM
03-08-2006, 05:28 PM
7-0 Canada now.

Patrick Bateman
03-08-2006, 05:31 PM
We rock.

RFS62
03-08-2006, 05:38 PM
We're set up perfectly for either a devestating defeat or an incredible come from behind win.

traderumor
03-08-2006, 05:39 PM
We'll get 'em in hockey, though

BRM
03-08-2006, 05:42 PM
Cy Young candidate Adam Loewen being replaced by Chris Begg.

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 05:44 PM
Great patience there by Holiday to swing at the first pitch around the ankles.

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 05:46 PM
BTW, Loewen put up a 4.12 ERA and 1.52 WHIP in Class A last year...he just threw 3.2 scoreless innings against USA.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 05:46 PM
Once again US gets 2 runners on and gets no runs.

RFS62
03-08-2006, 05:46 PM
Well, Holiday hurt his leg and Stern has an inside the parker.

Somewhere, Steinbrenner is buying the next round.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 05:47 PM
I am at work but if sportsline is right Canada just got an inside the park home run.

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 05:48 PM
If we are down 10 or more after 7 this is going to be stopped early how embarrasing is that.

Topcat
03-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Color me shocked but loving it! Ps. Adam Loewen showed wicked composure for a single A kid against the US lineup.:thumbup:

Patrick Bateman
03-08-2006, 05:53 PM
I'm sorry but this is too hilarious. I don't mean to gloat because int he long run the US is a far better team, but this game is ridiculous. The inside the park homer just adds to it and the fact that a minor league pitcher that was quite similar to Bailey last year dominated a CY Young contender.

Still this game is far, far from over. If the team that showed up against Africa comes back the US may find a comeback here.

Topcat
03-08-2006, 05:55 PM
I'm sorry but this is too hilarious. I don't mean to gloat because int he long run the US is a far better team, but this game is ridiculous. The inside the park homer just adds to it and the fact that a minor league pitcher that was quite similar to Bailey last year dominated a CY Young contender.

Still this game is far, far from over. If the team that showed up against Africa comes back the US may find a comeback here.


See thats just it though. Who knew anything about the S.Africa team, the same can be applied for who on the US really knew much about Adam Loewen. Element of surprise happens at times.

Patrick Bateman
03-08-2006, 05:57 PM
See thats just it though. Who knew anything about the S.Africa team, the same can be applied for who on the US really knew much about Adam Loewen. Element of surprise happens at times.

I know, it happens in baseball all the time, but in the grand scheme of things the US is the better team and would be shelling Canada more often than not. Still, this has been an entertaining game to say the least.

Patrick Bateman
03-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Griffey's on fire. 8-1 on his double.

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 05:58 PM
Griffey is the only one doing any thing.

RBI single makes it 8-2.

Topcat
03-08-2006, 06:06 PM
Griffey is the only one doing any thing.

RBI single makes it 8-2.


And Buck removes him for a PH why ? Bad move so what they scored a run. I want Griffey in late if im pullin for US, but this time I'm not :evil:

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 06:08 PM
Grand Slam by Varitek!

8-6!!

Patrick Bateman
03-08-2006, 06:08 PM
Figures. It was bound to happen the way the US kept getting baserunners.

Nugget
03-08-2006, 06:09 PM
Maybe the teams (Yankees) want the US out early so that the marquee players can make it back to ST earlier.

pedro
03-08-2006, 06:09 PM
varitek grand slam

Canada winning now 8-6

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 06:09 PM
Matt Holiday again shows great patience and jumps on the first pitch.

8-6 after 5.

pedro
03-08-2006, 06:11 PM
I'm glad KGJ got pulled. I don't want him running hard and popping a hammy.

Doc. Scott
03-08-2006, 06:42 PM
Still 8-6 after seven innings.

ochre
03-08-2006, 06:45 PM
Stubby Clapp's wife is named Chastity? Now that's stranger than fiction.

TeamBoone
03-08-2006, 06:47 PM
Did you guys just hear them say that Bonds is very interested in playing if Team USA makes it to the second round?

Now... do any of you really think that would be fair?

Topcat
03-08-2006, 06:57 PM
*gulp* :help:

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 06:59 PM
Did you guys just hear them say that Bonds is very interested in playing if Team USA makes it to the second round?

Now... do any of you really think that would be fair?

If I were Buck Martinez, I would tell Bonds to take a long walk on a short pier. We don't need people like him representing the country.

Damnit! I thought that ball hit by Utley was gone. He did too. Three outs away from an embarrassing loss.

Topcat
03-08-2006, 06:59 PM
Did you guys just hear them say that Bonds is very interested in playing if Team USA makes it to the second round?

Now... do any of you really think that would be fair?


A totall distraction that team Usa doesnt need. Guy has not even played in ages.

dougdirt
03-08-2006, 07:01 PM
Man, I thought Utley had one....

Doc. Scott
03-08-2006, 07:05 PM
Man, this is embarrassing. An all-star team, beaten by a squad with maybe three or four MLB-quality regulars and a bunch of minor-league veterans.

Although I guess Kansas City beats the Red Sox a couple times a year, huh?

TeamBoone
03-08-2006, 07:09 PM
Anybody figure out why they lifed Jr?

Doc. Scott
03-08-2006, 07:10 PM
To the bottom of the ninth, and the Americans need two to tie.

paintmered
03-08-2006, 07:12 PM
Ballgame. Oh Canada eh wins.

Maybe we can beat them in football.

Topcat
03-08-2006, 07:13 PM
:jump:

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 07:14 PM
What an embarrassing loss. Very good chance that the USA will not make it out of this bracket now. USA was arguably in the worst bracket of the four...and may not advance on. Holy cow.

Doc. Scott
03-08-2006, 07:15 PM
Uh, all they have to do is beat South Africa...am I missing something? Top two move on, right?

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 07:17 PM
If they beat South Africa they will still advance.

OnBaseMachine
03-08-2006, 07:20 PM
Uh, all they have to do is beat South Africa...am I missing something? Top two move on, right?

If Mexico beats South Africa tonight and Canada tomorrow, and USA beats South Africa Friday, then they will have three teams with the same record and it will come down to tiebreakers.

KronoRed
03-08-2006, 07:21 PM
Ballgame. Oh Canada eh wins.

Maybe we can beat them in football.
They don't play it right :p:

Reds Fanatic
03-08-2006, 07:25 PM
Here are the tiebreaker procedures if there would be a 3 way tie. I am not sure who would go because Canada would have the head to head over the US. Mexico would have head to head over Canada and the US would have the head to head win over Mexico. So they might go to the other tiebreakers on this list.

1. The team that defeated the other tied team head-to-head in a given Round shall be ranked higher in the pool standings for such Round.

2. The tied teams shall be ranked in the standings for that Round according to fewest runs allowed divided by the number of innings (including partial innings) played in defense in the games in that Round between the teams tied.
3. The tied teams shall be ranked in the standings according to fewest earned runs allowed divided by the number of innings (including partial innings) played in defense in the games in that Round between the teams tied.
4. The tied teams shall be ranked in the standings according to highest batting average in games in that Round between the teams tied.
Standings shall be determined by the drawing of lots, conducted by WBCI.

Doc. Scott
03-08-2006, 07:26 PM
Fewest runs, eh? Well, the US' first game was a shutout. I guess it depends on how Mexico does.

pedro
03-08-2006, 07:32 PM
Batting average eh?

cincinnati chili
03-08-2006, 09:15 PM
Batting average eh?

Yeah, that was a genius idea. Kinda like the single elimination finals.

LoganBuck
03-08-2006, 10:15 PM
Batting average eh?

Apparently BF was in charge of writing the rules.

Heath
03-08-2006, 10:36 PM
I don't expect Canada to lose to Mexico.

Just my thoughts.

JinAZ
03-08-2006, 10:47 PM
Today the Canadians beat team USA, and they absolutely should have. I was going to do another report like I did for USA's first game, but I'm too irritated to do that right now.

Here's the thing: I've been as excited as anyone about this tournament. I've watched a game each night, and have attended both of team USA's games. I was even considering going to the South Africa game on Friday, but I'm through with that. The reason? For all their talk about patriotism and excitement about "representing" their country, it became very apparent in the early innings today--and even during the victory versus Mexico yesterday--that Team USA wasn't taking this seriously. Sure, some players were definitely trying to compete. Junior, in particular, has had a great first couple of games (er...half-games). But the team as a whole is not playing to win.

Some of it comes from players, some of whom clearly did not look like they were giving it their all (I noted ~5 fielding miscues today...none were errors per se, but they were definitely not mistakes you'd expect from this team of elite veterans).

But the biggest blame falls on USA manager Buck Martinez. Unlike all the other managers in this tournament (at least among games I've seen), Martinez is clearly not playing to win. He's treating these games like all-star games, and seems far more worried about giving people their scripted appearances than actually trying to pull out a victory. Cases in point:
* Jake Peavy pitched brilliantly through 3 innings in yesterday's game, was well below the 65-pitch count, and yet he was pulled to start the parade of closers.
* Al Leiter was pitching today (why he's on the team at all is a mystery to me), and wasn't taken out until his pitch count approached the magical number 30...and not before allowing an enormous number of runs. He should only be used as a lefthanded specialist, if anything. With the pitchers Martinez has in his bullpen, Leiter shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary.
* Ken Griffey Jr. was pulled for pinch runner Jeff Francoeur in the 5th inning today, despite still being down by 7 runs. I'm all for this move in the 8th inning, but when there are several at-bats left for USA's hottest hitter (Griffey) and we're that far down this is a pointless move.
* Jason Varitek, having just hit a grand slam to bring us with 2 runs, was removed in the bottom of the 7th for Schneider. Why on earth would you remove the guy who just pulled you back into the game when you are still down by two runs.
* Derek Jeter was pulled in favor of Chase Utley in the 6th inning. How does that make this team more offensively capable so that they might overcome the final two runs?
* How is it that Vernon Wells was starting in right field today, while Griffey was in center? I love Griff--he's probably my favorite player of all time--but he's not a good defender these days, and shouldn't be in centerfield when there are more capable centerfielders in the lineup. And it cost us; I think most centerfielders would have gotten to the triple hit by Stern, which drove home the second Canadian run. (edited: removed complaint about Teixeira; as Joel points out, he is also a gold glove fielder, so I can't fault Buck for playing him at first).
* Matt Holliday started in left field over Johnny Damon. Again, how does this make us better?
I think the players started to snap out of it in the 4th inning (maybe with the Teixeira steal?), and were definitely gelling in the 5th when they put up the six runs. But the first thing Martinez did after that inning was over was to pull out Jeter and Jones. Even if their replacements were just as capable (and yeah, I'd rather have A-Rod out there than Chipper), you're still replacing warm players who had already had productive at-bats in the game with cold players off the bench. Again, it's hurting the team's performance, and is definitely not playing to win.

Maybe I could deal with this if this tournament wasn't talked up so much by MLB. If this is going to be some glorified series of all-star games, fine. I'll take the games with a grain of salt and will root for South Africa to take out the USA on Friday. But if MLB is going to continue to pitch this tournament "the real thing" (to quote Roger Clemens), at least have the courtesy to play the games like you are trying to actually win. If you still lose, that's fine; at least you could say that you gave it your all. Don't we, the paying fans who are dedicating our time and attention to this new tournament, who are defending it from its critics, who are cheering for our our nations' team...don't we have a right to expect that they'll at least TRY to win?
-JinAZ

Chip R
03-09-2006, 12:14 AM
* Al Leiter was pitching today (why he's on the team at all is a mystery to me), and wasn't taken out until his pitch count approached the magical number 30...and not before allowing an enormous number of runs. He should only be used as a lefthanded specialist, if anything. With the pitchers Martinez has in his bullpen, Leiter shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary.


"Al Leiter knows how to compete" From the ESPN play by play guy on Tuesday. I'd have thought it was Narron except I could understand this guy when he talked.

TeamBoone
03-09-2006, 12:48 AM
That is a great post, JinAZ; I tried to give you rep points but have to spread them around.

I couldn't agree with you more though and stated something similar in another thread. I don't know what Buck is thinking. Perhaps someone needs to tell him what this tournament is NOT... a glorified all star team. Obviously, he doesn't get it.

Nugget
03-09-2006, 01:11 AM
Actually, it would seem to be more like an ST game. Maybe the teams have given USA instructions that pitchers can't be overused (by ST standards) and your not allowed any more than 3 AB. Its better than an All Star game - Peavy would have been pulled after two innings and Junior after 1 AB.

JinAZ
03-09-2006, 01:49 AM
"Al Leiter knows how to compete" From the ESPN play by play guy on Tuesday. I'd have thought it was Narron except I could understand this guy when he talked.

:bang:

JinAZ
03-09-2006, 01:52 AM
I couldn't agree with you more though and stated something similar in another thread. I don't know what Buck is thinking. Perhaps someone needs to tell him what this tournament is NOT... a glorified all star team. Obviously, he doesn't get it.

I just hope this is a wakeup call for him. All he said in his post-game comments were things like "he pitched a heck of a game" and that sort of crap. Who is this guy accountable to anyway? -jinaz

Chip R
03-09-2006, 09:18 AM
What an embarrassing loss. Very good chance that the USA will not make it out of this bracket now. USA was arguably in the worst bracket of the four...and may not advance on. Holy cow.

If this happens, you know what we have to do...

Blame Canada
With all their beady little eyes
And flappin heads so full of lies
Blame Canada
Blame Canada
We need to form a full assault
It's Canadas fault!
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before someone thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus ;)

PuffyPig
03-09-2006, 09:49 AM
I wouldn't be too worried. If Canada wins, the US are in. Mexico has to win by scores of 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1 for the US to be eliminated. Assuming the US wins their last game, of course.

JinAZ
03-09-2006, 12:47 PM
I wouldn't be too worried. If Canada wins, the US are in. Mexico has to win by scores of 1-0, 2-0, or 2-1 for the US to be eliminated. Assuming the US wins their last game, of course.

If they keep acting like it's spring training or an all star game, I hope South Africa cleans their clocks. I'd much rather watch teams that are giving it their all than what the US did the first two games.
-JinAZ

Doc. Scott
03-09-2006, 01:26 PM
South Africa beating the US would be like the Washington Generals upending the Harlem Globetrotters.

RFS62
03-09-2006, 02:09 PM
Very nice post, JinAZ

:beerme:

JinAZ
03-09-2006, 04:37 PM
South Africa beating the US would be like the Washington Generals upending the Harlem Globetrotters.

"You know the law of averages says 'anything will happen that can'; that's what it says" -Steve Goodman
:thumbup:

Chip R
03-09-2006, 04:59 PM
I was all in favor of the WBC when it was first proposed. I still am but I have a big problem with teams not fielding their best team. I'd love to see a Dominican team with Manny and Pedro on it or a P.R. team with Felipe and a U.S. team with their best players on it. I can understand why they don't want to play and I can understand why the MLB teams don't want them playing but I'd like to see the best against the best. And I don't like them treating this like a Spring Training game. What's next, guys running laps in the OF after they are out of the game?

Reds Freak
03-09-2006, 08:44 PM
With Mexico scoring six runs in the first two innings tonight, am I right in saying US will advance with a win tomorrow?

Reds Fanatic
03-09-2006, 08:49 PM
With Mexico scoring six runs in the first two innings tonight, am I right in saying US will advance with a win tomorrow?
You are right. By Mexico scoring more than 3 tonight the US would advance with a win tomorrow.