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timmario66
03-09-2006, 09:15 AM
Per Marc's blog:

SARASOTA -- Six players were sent packing from big-league camp this morning.

The Reds released Luke Hudson and Bubba Nelson, and reassigned to minor league camp Aaron Herr, Anderson Machado, Derek Wathan and Josh Hall.

Looks like that's it for the first round of cuts.


More OBIEs gone. Nice trade for Reitsma OB

traderumor
03-09-2006, 09:24 AM
Hopefully Krivsky can deal with Schuerholz better than either of his predecessors. Rob Bell and Bubba and Bong. The only one I can recall us winning is the Belisle for Mercker deal.

As for Hudson, he clearly had no command still this spring.

Johnny Footstool
03-09-2006, 09:30 AM
Another dagger in our side. Nelson and Bong were both prospects of fairly high regard at one time. The lesson: beware of prospects.

remdog
03-09-2006, 09:36 AM
Interesting that they are keeping Homer Baily around for a few more days. Looks like he may get another chance at some big leagers.

Rem

redsmetz
03-09-2006, 09:39 AM
Another dagger in our side. Nelson and Bong were both prospects of fairly high regard at one time. The lesson: beware of prospects.

With rare exception, any pitcher received from Atlanta over the last ten years or so, has panned out. If Atlanta's done with them, there's probably a fork in them. There are exceptions, but not many. And Reitsma for these two guys was just a horrid trade.

Kc61
03-09-2006, 09:48 AM
Bong could still become a decent lefty reliever. He's just got to stay healthy and get the minor league experience he needs. My guess is that he'll survive the axe and wind up at AAA this year, but who knows.

I think the most interesting thing about this spring training is the new administration's attitude toward the young pitchers. I wonder who from among Belisle, Wagner, Coffey, Shackelford, Burns, Simpson will make the major league roster. If Wilson and/or Milton are injured to start the season, who will fill those roles (Gosling seems an early favorite; the Lizard?).

wolfboy
03-09-2006, 09:49 AM
Hopefully Krivsky can deal with Schuerholz better than either of his predecessors. Rob Bell and Bubba and Bong. The only one I can recall us winning is the Belisle for Mercker deal.

As for Hudson, he clearly had no command still this spring.

We were able to flip Rob Bell for Encarnacion. Bell was complete junk, but I'm glad we picked him up.

Johnny Footstool
03-09-2006, 09:54 AM
With rare exception, any pitcher received from Atlanta over the last ten years or so, has panned out. If Atlanta's done with them, there's probably a fork in them. There are exceptions, but not many. And Reitsma for these two guys was just a horrid trade.

Yes, only Odalis Perez and Jason Schmidt come to mind.

Most of the successful members of Atlanta's staff over the past 10 years has been made up of free agents and veterans acquired from other teams.

westofyou
03-09-2006, 09:56 AM
Nice trade for Reitsma OB

Well he's not the only one feeling snookered right now.. how's that Hudson trade looking to Beane?

The fact is JS and the Braves have pulled many a Rickeyesque type of move on the rest of the league oever the past 10 years.

ML successs allows that to happen, as well as having big ones.

Something the Reds can claim to know nothing about.

M2
03-09-2006, 11:50 AM
I'll be surprised if Bong lasts the year without getting released. He's a horrible pitcher.

TRF
03-09-2006, 11:56 AM
Bruce Chen is doing ok. Not great, but OK. He pitched a pretty good game yesterday in the WBC. He thrived for a bit in Baltimore under Ray Miller.

Millwood seems to be pitching well. Jason Marquis isn't a bad pitcher. Rob Bell netted EE so he had value at least.

KronoRed
03-09-2006, 12:34 PM
I'll be surprised if Bong lasts the year without getting released. He's a horrible pitcher.
But he's a lefty so he'll get every shot.

Now surprised at any of these names.

HalMorrisRules
03-09-2006, 12:35 PM
We were able to flip Rob Bell for Encarnacion. Bell was complete junk, but I'm glad we picked him up.

We also got Denny Neagle as part of that deal and last time I checked, he was a pretty important part of the '99 team that almost got to the playoffs.

flyer85
03-09-2006, 12:58 PM
I thought maybe Paul Newman and George Kennedy had finally gotten free of Strother Martin.

Doc. Scott
03-09-2006, 01:17 PM
Bubba is still prospect age. I'm surprised he wasn't kept, given that the majority of the Louisville pitching staff will be older than he.

Luke... well, if his command still wasn't there, there isn't much he can do at the big-league level.

savafan
03-09-2006, 01:34 PM
History shows that both Luke Hudson and Bubba Nelson will one day pitch against the Reds and have their only success against their former team.

Reverend Doo-Rag
03-09-2006, 01:43 PM
We also got Denny Neagle as part of that deal and last time I checked, he was a pretty important part of the '99 team that almost got to the playoffs.

He also got flipped for W. M. Pena

So basically, Boone and Remlinger got traded for Ed E. and Pena (in a round about way)

M2
03-09-2006, 01:46 PM
He also got flipped for W. M. Pena

So basically, Boone and Remlinger got traded for Ed E. and Pena (in a round about way)

Not to mention Carlos Silva.

princeton
03-09-2006, 04:17 PM
I like the quick decision on mediocre righties. Life's short; don't spend a season thinking over an easy decision.

as for Bong: keep lefties. Youneverknow

Big Klu
03-09-2006, 06:47 PM
I thought maybe Paul Newman and George Kennedy had finally gotten free of Strother Martin.

What we've got here, is failure, to communicate.

http://www.prisonflicks.com/images/CHLCaptain.jpg

captainmorgan07
03-09-2006, 06:52 PM
those 2 just aren't major league caliber pitchers right now need to start weeding them out

Boss-Hog
03-09-2006, 06:52 PM
those 2 just aren't major league caliber pitchers right now need to start weeding them out
Who will that leave us with? ;)

KronoRed
03-09-2006, 07:00 PM
Who will that leave us with? ;)
The batting practice machine? :D

REDREAD
03-09-2006, 08:41 PM
Well I hope Bubba lands on his feet somewhere. I hope his dad will stop in here from time to time. Who knows, maybe being released from the Reds will be the best thing to happen to Bubba. Maybe he'll get better instruction elsewhere.

TeamBoone
03-09-2006, 09:08 PM
I thought players were to be cut today (sent to minor league camp); I didn't realize cut meant release! Does this mean they're on waivers? Someone enlighten me please.

I thought I read that Bubba was having a decent spring.

Cyclone792
03-09-2006, 09:49 PM
The batting practice machine? :D

I forget what it's called, but a few years ago I remember hearing about a batting practice machine that would throw curveballs, sliders, etc. We might have a chance if we brought in the best of those.

But knowing our luck, our machine would probably blow an engine and become a failed prospect.

Ron Madden
03-10-2006, 05:22 AM
I have always heard Luke Hudson had the best stuff of anybody in our minor leagues.If ever he gains conrol watch out.

Just how many young arms do we have down on the farm with better arms than Bubba Nelson?

IMHO I'd keep both these pitchers over Anderson Machado.

M2
03-10-2006, 10:23 AM
I have always heard Luke Hudson had the best stuff of anybody in our minor leagues.If ever he gains conrol watch out.

I've always thought his stuff was overrated. Fastball's way too straight and the bender's way too inconsistent.


Just how many young arms do we have down on the farm with better arms than Bubba Nelson?

Hard to say, but Bubba's been bleeding velocity for years now. The sad truth of the matter is the Reds need to cut more guys than they can.

dfs
03-10-2006, 11:23 AM
What does it say about the current management's confidence that they were not only willing to let Hancock walk, but up and tell Luke Hudson..."Hey, you might want to go look for work someplace else" when their current rotation has been historically bad and consists of a guy coming off elbow surgery that hasn't thrown a pitch to live batters yet, a guy who put up an ERA of 6.50 and is complaining about his hamstring and your good young starter is suffering from tendonitis?

Starters get hurt and the reds don't really have anybody they can count on. Somebody is going to have to pick up the injury slack. At the end of last year, I would have thought both Hudson and Hancock would have been in those roles. Other than Gosling....who is it going to be?

M2
03-10-2006, 11:37 AM
The starter reserve consists of Gosling, Belisle, Ramirez, Germano, Kozlowski, Dumatrait, Phelps, Basham and Hall.

That may not be exciting, but Hudson, Hancock and Nelson weren't helping matters.

TRF
03-10-2006, 11:54 AM
But Nelson had been converted to closer at AA and was pitching well in his new role. There is more to this, has to be. He's still young, and was slated for AAA as the closer there. Hudson made sense. There was going to be a logjam of arms at AAA (Basham, Germano, Ramirez, Hall and probably a few others.) Luke had his chance, He just couldn't take that next step.

Nelson on the other hand might have had a future as a reliever. I think he still does. Somebody will take a flyer on him. count on that. IMO this cut came too soon.

M2
03-10-2006, 12:04 PM
But Nelson had been converted to closer at AA and was pitching well in his new role. There is more to this, has to be. He's still young, and was slated for AAA as the closer there. Hudson made sense. There was going to be a logjam of arms at AAA (Basham, Germano, Ramirez, Hall and probably a few others.) Luke had his chance, He just couldn't take that next step.

Nelson on the other hand might have had a future as a reliever. I think he still does. Somebody will take a flyer on him. count on that. IMO this cut came too soon.

I'm sure somebody will take a flyer on him, though he hadn't really pitched well (4.61 ERA, 1.48 WHIP). He had a good K rate, but a bad G/F ratio. Best of luck to him.

TRF
03-10-2006, 12:20 PM
True, but it was his first season as a reliever, and his first as a closer. IMO he was too young to be cut, If nothing else, he could have closed games at Chatt. to start the season.

My thinking is he ends up in Baltimore. He may be familiar with Baltimore's new pitching coach.

UPRedsFan
03-10-2006, 12:47 PM
I find myself actually pulling for Milton to stay injured and not be ready to start the season. That way Gosling and Belisle will get the chance to prove they can fill the 4 and 5 slots better than Milton and Wilson.

dfs
03-13-2006, 04:36 PM
The starter reserve consists of Gosling, Belisle, Ramirez, Germano, Kozlowski, Dumatrait, Phelps, Basham and Hall.
Weeding out the injuries and the second round of cuts that leaves

Gosling, Belisle, Germano is the likely swing guys/injury cover.

I guess Homer is still in camp.

I don't agree with everything Narron says or thinks, but the guy doesn't seem afraid to make a decision. That's probably a good thing.