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VI_RedsFan
03-18-2006, 12:39 PM
This idea has been brought up in another thread, but I want to know what you guys think of this 3-Way deal with the Mets and the Nats:

Reds Trade- Wily Mo Pena and Tony Womack
Reds Receive- Aaron Heilman and Philip Humber

Mets Trade- Aaron Heilman and Philip Humber
Mets Receive- Alfonso Soriano

Nationals Trade- Alfonso Soriano
Nationals Recieve- Wily Mo Pena and Tony Womack


Why for the Reds?
They get two young, quality pitchers in Heilman and Humber. Heilman will go to the rotation to give Wilson more time to recover and Humber will go to AAA. This trade also helps the Reds to cut down the large number of second baseman. Yes, this trade does cost them Pena, but he has spent most of spring in the WBC instead of working on his fielding in LF and his plate discipline.

Why for the Mets?
This trade adds to an already great offense. With Fonz, Beltran, Delgado, and Wright all in the lineup, their offense will be very feared. With Matsui injured, Soriano will fill in at 2B. And when Kaz gets back, Minaya can use Kaz as trade bait.

Why for the Nationals?
They finally solve the Soriano/Vidro situation. Jimbo gets his manlove Wily Mo to put in LF and add more power to the lineup. Womack will be a solid backup to Vidro, and can even play in RF if Guillen isn't healthy.


When Denorfia is ready, Dunn will move to 1B and Deno will go the LF. This will send Hatteberg to the bench, and back to being Dunner's backup.

So what do you guys think?

dougdirt
03-18-2006, 12:51 PM
So you trade Pena becuase he was good enough to play for the Dominican Republic in the WBC? He played winterball almost the entire winter. You think he didnt work on fielding and plate discipline while there?

Heath
03-18-2006, 01:08 PM
I would trade $4 for a 3-way.

pedro
03-18-2006, 01:11 PM
I would trade $4 for a 3-way.

make it a five way and you've got a deal.

can't get that stuff out here.

pedro
03-18-2006, 01:17 PM
Heilman had a nice year last year, but it appears it was mostly in relief. He did horrible when he started so I'd be a little gun shy about him, at least if your idea is that he'd be in the rotation.

As for Philip Humber, I don't know much about him. His peripherals look OK, but his ERA wasn't so good.

VI_RedsFan
03-18-2006, 01:27 PM
So you trade Pena becuase he was good enough to play for the Dominican Republic in the WBC? He played winterball almost the entire winter. You think he didnt work on fielding and plate discipline while there?

doug, I'm sure he worked on his fielding and PD in the winter leagues. At least he claims that he did. But I wanted to see those improvements in spring training. Yes, I know Wily Mo is playing for the best team in the WBC, but it's not like he's getting much PT. I'm not saying I want Pena out of here, I just think this team needs pitching more than offense.

VI_RedsFan
03-18-2006, 01:28 PM
What if John Maine was added to the deal? I know he isn't too much, but its just another young pitcher coming our way.

dougdirt
03-18-2006, 01:36 PM
We can get all of the young pitchers in the world...but unless we get rid of Milton and Wilson, we only have room for 1 other guy on the staff. VI Redsfan, I just took your comment that you wanted him gone because he wasnt practicing on things with the Reds, I just misunderstood what you were saying. I agree we need pitching much more than we need hitting, but the problem is, unless Milton and Wilson arent out there (hurt or traded), There is only room for 1 other guy in the rotation. I think Williams could be bumped to the BP if we got someone good enough to crack a spot, and I think he would be bumped before Milton or Wilson would.

VI_RedsFan
03-18-2006, 01:41 PM
We can get all of the young pitchers in the world...but unless we get rid of Milton and Wilson, we only have room for 1 other guy on the staff. VI Redsfan, I just took your comment that you wanted him gone because he wasnt practicing on things with the Reds, I just misunderstood what you were saying. I agree we need pitching much more than we need hitting, but the problem is, unless Milton and Wilson arent out there (hurt or traded), There is only room for 1 other guy in the rotation. I think Williams could be bumped to the BP if we got someone good enough to crack a spot, and I think he would be bumped before Milton or Wilson would.

I understand. There's a possibility that Wilson won't be ready by the time the season starts, but yeah, Milton is still there. If Wilson is healthy, then I guess he could go to long relief and Heilman could go to the rotation. I guess I should've thought this situation through before I posted this trade idea.

pedro
03-18-2006, 01:43 PM
I honestly wouldn't worry about Paul Wilson taking up a rotation spot that could be held by someone better, I doubt he ever pitches regularily again. he's toast.

VI_RedsFan
03-18-2006, 01:48 PM
OK, I'm not sure if the Nats would do this, but hows this new deal:

Reds Trade- Wily Mo Pena, Eric Milton, and Tony Womack
Reds Recieve- John Patterson, Aaron Heilman, and Phil Humber

Mets Trade- Aaron Heilman and Phil Humber
Mets Recieve- Alfonso Soriano

Nats Trade- John Patterson and Alfonso Soriano
Nats Recieve- Wily Mo Pena, Eric Milton, and Tony Womack


Here's the Reds rotation after that deal:

Patterson
Harang
Clausssen
Wilson
Williams

Heilman goes to the 'pen (where he is better as Pedro pointed out), and Humber goes to AAA. How's that?

pedro
03-18-2006, 02:42 PM
I can't see where Womack and Milton have any trade value at all, even if the Reds payed their entire salaries so that's a pretty big haul for Pena alone IMO.

KronoRed
03-18-2006, 02:45 PM
Jimbo would be set on fire for dealing his best prospect and a HR thread for 2 wash ups and a might be.

He might do it anyway though ;)