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Matt700wlw
03-18-2006, 01:07 PM
:p:

Matt700wlw
03-18-2006, 01:22 PM
Looks like nobody cares - I'm about there.

Gosling blows....5-0 pirates in the 1st. NO OUTS

icehole3
03-18-2006, 01:28 PM
hope the fans wore their batting helmets, Gosling is a launching pad today

membengal
03-18-2006, 01:29 PM
Make it stop. Make the bad man stop. Where's Milton?

Matt700wlw
03-18-2006, 01:32 PM
Homer pitching now. At least we can see what our young stud has...

Matt700wlw
03-18-2006, 01:34 PM
sigh

membengal
03-18-2006, 01:40 PM
Our "young stud" should have already been in minor league camp getting ready for Sarasota.

KronoRed
03-18-2006, 01:43 PM
Make it stop. Make the bad man stop. Where's Milton?
Maybe he's teaching Gosling how to pitch ;)

foltza
03-18-2006, 01:47 PM
i see that they are down 10-0. what's the deal? all those runs to gosling?

membengal
03-18-2006, 01:52 PM
Mostly.

The other half of the Reds up in Orlando just took a 3-2 lead over the Braves on a two-run HR by Wise, then a double from EE scoring Felipe.

Dave Williams against John Thompson in that one.

traderumor
03-18-2006, 01:54 PM
Time is not gonna be a kind friend to Gosling. He needed ST to end a week ago for him to make the team. At least I hope that's what the Reds conclude.

Aronchis
03-18-2006, 01:56 PM
Yeah, I would say Germano has passed him, if that is any comfort;)

membengal
03-18-2006, 01:56 PM
Over in Orlando, Dave Williams makes Jeff Francouer all happy to be back from his team USA experience by serving up a moon shot, Braves back up 4-3.

membengal
03-18-2006, 01:57 PM
Why in the world did the Reds schedule a SS day for this late in the spring, with both games on the road?

Bizarre.

Dave Williams doing his best Michael Gosling impression.

dougdirt
03-18-2006, 02:01 PM
How many of those runs went down as earned runs on Bailey?

Redmachine2003
03-18-2006, 02:11 PM
I think only one run charged to Homer and it was unearned. He gave up a flare single and then Kearns dropped a ball at the wall for an E and a sac fly. Homer has SO 5 in 2 1/3 innings.

dougdirt
03-18-2006, 02:14 PM
I am in and out of the room so I didnt catch all of his stuff. Thanks for that one redmachine.

membengal
03-18-2006, 02:21 PM
Over in Orlando, Dave Williams gets tattoo'd again and the Reds are now down 6-4, still batting the last of the 4th.

6 runs on 10 hits is Williams' line in that one, with a runner or two still on.

Mmmm, rancid.

membengal
03-18-2006, 02:23 PM
In Orlando, flare into center off of the reliever Robbins scores two more, now 8-4 Braves.

Close the book on Williams, 3 1/3 innings, 8 runs, 10 hits, 3 walks, 3 Ks.

Read that again.

And again.

Now.

weep.

membengal
03-18-2006, 02:26 PM
I think only one run charged to Homer and it was unearned. He gave up a flare single and then Kearns dropped a ball at the wall for an E and a sac fly. Homer has SO 5 in 2 1/3 innings.

Almost disappointed to hear about the 5 Ks since he came in. I don't want any portion of the Reds to be tempted to bring him north. And given the other options for the rotation, I think they are going to start being tempted.

KronoRed
03-18-2006, 02:36 PM
Close the book on Williams, 3 1/3 innings, 8 runs, 10 hits, 3 walks, 3 Ks.

Read that again.

And again.

Now.

weep.
No way the Reds can bring that north, I think Milton could do better.

KoryMac5
03-18-2006, 02:44 PM
After all of those runs Dave Williams gave up to Atlanta he most likely will say he is really not concerned. Great!

flyer85
03-18-2006, 02:51 PM
pitching is rounding into shape nicely

Falls City Beer
03-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Come on, guys; Williams is a "feel" guy--he's going to take a little more time to get himself straightened out this spring, says WayneO.

Falls City Beer
03-18-2006, 02:54 PM
pitching is rounding into shape nicely

Yeah, you know the idea of going out and trading one of our precious outfielders for MLB pitching is insane. Insane I tell ya. You know those outfielders will nab us future young aces (if we just *wait*).

Doc. Scott
03-18-2006, 03:21 PM
Gosling wasn't making the team anyway without doing a serious Warren Spahn impression. He has options, and the options game almost always wins out.

balk
03-18-2006, 04:27 PM
Doc Scott.....can you help me with that? My understanding is that the Reds claimed Gosling off waivers from AZ. Why would he have been on waivers in the first place if he had options remaining? It must be that the Dbacks weren't even interested in having him use up a 40 man roster spot, so they had to waive him and have him clear waivers before they could remove him from the 40 man, even with his minor league options remaining. So the Reds have access to those options as long as they keep him on the 40 man roster?

If that's true, then Germano has the advantage over Gosling, since the Reds already have 3 lefties in the rotation.

Harang
Claussen
Milton
Germano/Wilson
Williams

I would say Williams is hanging on by a thread, but really, who do the Reds even have as an alternative?? A trade of one of the OFs for a starter is absolutely necessary before Opening Day.

TeamBoone
03-18-2006, 05:43 PM
This game was truly pathetic... and I listened to every minute of it, including Marty's rant on why is WMP still not in camp because he needs the practice (Doh! His team's still in the hunt).

TeamBoone
03-18-2006, 06:01 PM
03/18/2006 4:00 PM ET

Gosling hit hard in loss to Pirates
Left-hander gives up nine runs in first inning
By Ed Eagle / MLB.com

Pirates at the plate: The Pirates sent 16 hitters to the plate in the first inning and scored 10 runs to put the game out of reach. In the first inning alone, Jose Bautista, Craig Wilson and Jose Castillo each doubled and drove in two runs, Nate McLouth and Jack Wilson scored twice and Jose Hernandez had two singles and two RBIs. Humberto Cota had a sacrifice fly in the first inning and a bases-clearing double in the fourth.

Reds at the plate: Third baseman Rich Aurilia went 2-for-3 with a double and a home run, his first of the spring. Brian Buchanan had two hits and knocked in a pair of runs. Adam Dunn and Austin Kearns combined to go 0-for-5 with a walk and two strikeouts.

Pirates on the mound: Pirates starter Paul Maholm limited the Reds to one run on two hits and a walk in the longest outing by a Pirates pitcher thus far this spring. Right-hander Giovanni Carrara, who had been competing in the World Baseball Classic with Venezuela, allowed one run on two hits in one inning in his first Grapefruit League appearance of the spring.

Reds on the mound: Southpaw Michael Gosling, who is competing for the fifth spot in the starting rotation, did not make it out of the first inning. Gosling hit the first batter he faced and then proceeded to allow nine runs (eight earned) on two singles, five doubles and a walk. Gosling retired just one of the 10 batters he faced. Former first-round pick Homer Bailey allowed one unearned run and fanned five in 2 2/3 innings.

Grapefruit League records: Pirates 11-7; Reds 10-8.

Up next: Left-hander Oliver Perez, fresh from his three shutout innings against Team USA last week in the World Baseball Classic, will make his Grapefruit League debut when the Pirates host the Toronto Blue Jays at McKechnie Field on Sunday.

Cincinnati right-hander Aaron Harang will look to improve a 3-0 record on Sunday when the Reds host the Philadelphia Phillies at Ed Smith Stadium.




Cincinnati AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Freel, 2B 3 0 0 0 0 0 1 .103
Bannon, J, 2B 2 1 1 0 0 0 1 .500
McCracken, CF-LF 5 0 0 0 0 1 4 .350
Aurilia, 3B 3 2 2 1 0 0 0 .267
Gutierrez, 1B 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 .500
Dunn, 1B 3 0 0 0 0 1 1 .233
Hopper, N, CF 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Kearns, RF 2 0 0 0 1 1 0 .242
Weathers, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Michalak, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
b-Purdom, PH 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 1.000
LaRue, C 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 .160
White, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Hammond, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
a-Menechino, PH-3B 2 0 0 0 0 0 3 .167
Buchanan, LF-RF 4 1 2 2 0 0 1 .476
Kata, SS 4 0 0 0 0 0 3 .172
Gosling, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Bailey, P 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Standridge, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Valentin, Ja, C 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 .667
Totals 36 5 10 4 2 3 15

a-Grounded into a forceout for Hammond in the 7th. b-Doubled for Michalak in the 9th.

BATTING
2B: Aurilia (4, Nitkowski), Gutierrez (1, Carrara), Purdom (1, Gonzalez), Buchanan (4, Gonzalez).
HR: Aurilia (1, 4th inning off Maholm, 0 on, 2 out).
TB: Bannon, J; Aurilia 6; Gutierrez 2; Purdom 2; LaRue; Buchanan 3; Valentin, Ja 2.
RBI: Aurilia (7), Buchanan 2 (5), Gutierrez (3).
2-out RBI: Aurilia; Buchanan; Gutierrez.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Kata; Hopper, N; McCracken.
GIDP: Buchanan.
Team LOB: 6.

FIELDING
E: Kearns (1, fielding).
DP: (Kata-Freel-Dunn).


Pittsburgh AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
McLouth, CF 3 2 1 1 0 0 1 .364
Morgan, CF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Wilson, J, SS 4 2 2 0 0 0 1 .389
Chaves, SS 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Bautista, RF-2B 3 2 2 2 0 1 0 .419
Theodorou, 2B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Wilson, C, 1B 4 2 3 2 0 1 3 .250
b-Boeve, PH-LF 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1.000
Hernandez, J, LF 3 2 3 2 0 0 0 .321
Gerut, RF 2 0 2 0 0 0 0 .292
Castillo, 2B 3 2 2 3 0 1 2 .481
Pond, LF-1B 2 0 0 0 0 0 4 .000
Furmaniak, 3B 4 2 1 0 1 1 1 .111
Cota, C 2 0 1 4 0 1 0 .167
Maldonado, C 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 .222
Maholm, P 2 1 0 0 1 1 1 .000
Capps, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
a-Martinez, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Nitkowski, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Carrara, P 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .000
Gonzalez, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 40 15 18 14 2 8 13

a-Lined out for Capps in the 6th. b-Singled for Wilson, C in the 7th.

BATTING
2B: Bautista (5, Gosling), Wilson, C (3, Gosling), Castillo (3, Gosling), Furmaniak (1, Gosling), Cota (2, Standridge).
TB: McLouth; Wilson, J 2; Bautista 3; Wilson, C 4; Boeve; Hernandez, J 3; Gerut 2; Castillo 3; Furmaniak 2; Cota 2.
RBI: Bautista 2 (7), Wilson, C 2 (7), Castillo 3 (9), Cota 4 (4), McLouth (6), Hernandez, J 2 (2).
2-out RBI: Hernandez, J 2.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Castillo; Wilson, J; Furmaniak; Pond.
SF: Cota; Bautista.
GIDP: Pond.
Team LOB: 6.

FIELDING
E: Pond (1, fielding).
Outfield assists: Hernandez, J (LaRue at 2nd base).
DP: (Wilson, J-Bautista-Wilson, C).




Cincinnati IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Gosling (L, 1-1) 0.1 7 9 8 1 0 0 16.20
Bailey 2.2 2 1 0 0 5 0 2.45
Standridge 1.0 4 4 4 1 0 0 13.50
White 1.0 3 1 1 0 0 0 5.06
Hammond 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.00
Weathers 1.0 2 0 0 0 0 0 9.00
Michalak 1.0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0.00
Pittsburgh IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Maholm (W, 2-1) 5.0 2 1 1 1 2 1 7.07
Capps 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.93
Nitkowski 1.0 2 1 1 1 0 0 8.10
Carrara 1.0 2 1 1 0 1 0 9.00
Gonzalez 1.0 3 2 1 0 0 0 3.60


WP: Gosling, Standridge.
HBP: McLouth (by Gosling).
Ground outs-fly outs: Gosling 0-1, Bailey 3-0, Standridge 1-2, White 2-1, Hammond 0-3, Weathers 2-1, Michalak 0-0, Maholm 12-0, Capps 2-1, Nitkowski 1-2, Carrara 0-2, Gonzalez 1-2.
Batters faced: Gosling 10, Bailey 11, Standridge 8, White 5, Hammond 3, Weathers 5, Michalak 3, Maholm 16, Capps 4, Nitkowski 6, Carrara 5, Gonzalez 7.
Inherited runners-scored: Bailey 2-2.
Umpires: HP: Bill Welke. 1B: John Hirschbeck. 2B: Tim Welke. 3B: Charlie Reliford.
Weather: 73 degrees, partly cloudy.
Wind: 10 mph, Out to RF.
T: 2:39.
Att: 5,149.

OnBaseMachine
03-18-2006, 06:02 PM
Notables from the boxscores:

Encarnacion 2 for 4, double and 2 rbi
Lopez 2 for 4
Wise 3 for 4, homerun, double, walk 3 rbi
Rosales 1 for 1

Wagner and Coffey with a scoreless inning a piece.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060318&content_id=1354599&vkey=spt2006gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

Gutierrez 1 for 1, rbi double
Aurilia 2 for 3, homerun and double
Valentin 2 for 3

Bailey 2.2 ip, 2 h, 0 er, 0 bb, 5 k

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060318&content_id=1354449&vkey=spt2006gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

redsmetz
03-18-2006, 06:02 PM
Make it stop. Make the bad man stop. Where's Milton?

Maybe Gosling was try to get us to appreciate Milton???? :bang:

TeamBoone
03-18-2006, 06:19 PM
03/18/2006 3:57 PM ET

Wise homers, but Reds fall to Braves
Williams yields eight earned runs on 10 hits in 3 2/3 innings
By Mark Bowman / MLB.com

Braves at the plate: Making his Grapefruit League season debut, Jeff Francoeur, who played for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic, singled and hit a third-inning two-run homer. Edgar Renteria hit his second homer with a first-inning solo shot. Andruw Jones had two hits and Brian McCann added a two-run double.

Reds at the plate: Dewayne Wise's solo shot highlighted a three-run third that included an Edwin Encarnacion RBI double. Andy Abad had a fourth-inning RBI single.

Braves on the mound: John Thomson allowed four earned runs and eight hits in four innings. Making his Braves debut, Peter Moylan, who was signed after playing for Australia in the Classic, tossed a scoreless sixth inning.

Reds on the mound: Dave Williams allowed eight earned runs and 10 hits in 3 2/3 innings.

Grapefruit League records: Reds 10-8; Braves 6-11-1.

Up next: The Braves will send Tim Hudson to the mound to face the Cardinals in Jupiter on Sunday at 1:05 p.m. ET.

The Reds will start Aaron Harang in their 1:05 p.m. game against the Phillies in Sarasota on Sunday.

Mark Bowman is a reporter for MLB.com This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


Cincinnati AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Womack, 2B 3 1 2 0 1 0 1 .357
Shackelford, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
b-Stratton, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000
Wagner, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Wise, RF 4 3 3 2 1 0 2 .394
Lopez, SS 4 1 2 0 0 1 3 .270
Snyder, 3B 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 .238
Encarnacion, 3B 4 0 2 2 0 0 3 .500
1-Rosales, PR-SS 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1.000
Hatteberg, 1B 4 0 1 0 0 1 2 .276
Crozier, LF 1 0 0 0 0 1 2 .000
Denorfia, CF 5 1 2 1 0 0 3 .250
Abad, LF-1B 4 0 2 1 1 1 0 .321
Sardinha, C 4 0 1 0 0 1 2 .250
Torrealba, C 1 0 0 0 0 1 3 .500
Williams, P 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Robbins, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Coffey, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
a-Cruz, PH 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .222
Herr, 2B 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 .600
Totals 40 6 17 6 3 7 25

a-Grounded into a forceout for Coffey in the 6th. b-Grounded into a double play for Shackelford in the 8th.
1-Ran for Encarnacion in the 7th.

BATTING
2B: Encarnacion (5, Thomson), Wise (4, Moylan), Sardinha (3, Smith).
HR: Wise (4, 3rd inning off Thomson, 1 on, 2 out).
TB: Womack 2; Wise 7; Lopez 2; Encarnacion 3; Rosales; Hatteberg; Denorfia 2; Abad 2; Sardinha 2; Herr.
RBI: Wise 2 (7), Encarnacion 2 (16), Abad (2), Denorfia (2).
2-out RBI: Wise 2; Encarnacion; Denorfia.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Hatteberg; Wise; Denorfia; Torrealba 2.
S: Williams.
GIDP: Encarnacion; Denorfia; Stratton.
Team LOB: 11.

BASERUNNING
SB: Denorfia (2, 2nd base off Thomson/McCann), Lopez (2, 2nd base off Thomson/McCann), Womack (2, 2nd base off Thomson/McCann).

FIELDING
Outfield assists: Denorfia (Francoeur at 2nd base).
DP: (Abad-Rosales-Shackelford).




a-Grounded into a forceout for Coffey in the 6th. b-Grounded into a double play for Shackelford in the 8th.
1-Ran for Encarnacion in the 7th.

BATTING
2B: Encarnacion (5, Thomson), Wise (4, Moylan), Sardinha (3, Smith).
HR: Wise (4, 3rd inning off Thomson, 1 on, 2 out).
TB: Womack 2; Wise 7; Lopez 2; Encarnacion 3; Rosales; Hatteberg; Denorfia 2; Abad 2; Sardinha 2; Herr.
RBI: Wise 2 (7), Encarnacion 2 (16), Abad (2), Denorfia (2).
2-out RBI: Wise 2; Encarnacion; Denorfia.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Hatteberg; Wise; Denorfia; Torrealba 2.
S: Williams.
GIDP: Encarnacion; Denorfia; Stratton.
Team LOB: 11.

BASERUNNING
SB: Denorfia (2, 2nd base off Thomson/McCann), Lopez (2, 2nd base off Thomson/McCann), Womack (2, 2nd base off Thomson/McCann).

FIELDING
Outfield assists: Denorfia (Francoeur at 2nd base).
DP: (Abad-Rosales-Shackelford).



Atlanta AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Orr, 2B 4 1 1 0 0 1 0 .194
Moylan, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
b-Doetsch, PH 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .167
Smith, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
O'Connor, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Renteria, SS 2 2 2 1 1 0 0 .357
Andrus, SS 2 0 1 0 0 0 1 .250
Jones, C, 3B 3 1 1 0 0 0 3 .333
Timmons, 3B 2 0 0 0 0 0 1 .000
Jones, A, CF 2 2 2 0 1 0 0 .333
Crespo, CF 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .108
McCann, C 4 1 1 2 0 1 3 .231
Sammons, C, C 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Francoeur, RF 3 1 3 5 0 0 0 1.000
Esquivel, RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .100
Jordan, LF 2 0 1 0 1 0 0 .364
Joseph, LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250
Jurries, 1B 4 1 2 0 0 1 4 .467
Thomson, P 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 .000
a-Schuerholz, PH-2B 2 1 1 2 0 0 0 .300
Totals 37 10 15 10 4 4 13
a-Grounded out for Thomson in the 5th. b-Walked for Moylan in the 7th.

BATTING
2B: Jones, A (2, Williams), McCann (1, Williams), Jurries (3, Shackelford).
HR: Renteria (2, 1st inning off Williams, 0 on, 1 out), Francoeur (1, 3rd inning off Williams, 1 on, 1 out), Schuerholz (3, 7th inning off Shackelford, 1 on, 1 out).
TB: Orr; Renteria 5; Andrus; Jones, C; Jones, A 3; McCann 2; Francoeur 6; Jordan; Jurries 3; Schuerholz 4.
RBI: Renteria (7), Francoeur 5 (5), McCann 2 (3), Schuerholz 2 (5).
2-out RBI: Francoeur.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Jurries 3.
GIDP: Andrus.
Team LOB: 7.

BASERUNNING
SB: Jordan (2, 2nd base off Robbins/Sardinha).

FIELDING
DP: 3 (Renteria-Orr-Jurries, Schuerholz-Andrus-Jurries, Andrus-Jurries).





Cincinnati IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Williams (L, 0-2) 3.1 10 8 8 3 3 2 9.00
Robbins 0.2 2 0 0 0 1 0 0.00
Coffey 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 4.50
Shackelford 2.0 2 2 2 1 0 1 3.38
Wagner 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3.86
Atlanta IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Thomson (W, 1-1) 5.0 9 4 4 1 2 1 7.71
Moylan 2.0 4 1 1 0 1 0 4.50
Smith 1.0 2 0 0 0 1 0 7.88
O'Connor 1.0 2 1 1 2 3 0 6.00

Ground outs-fly outs: Williams 4-3, Robbins 0-0, Coffey 2-1, Shackelford 4-2, Wagner 3-0, Thomson 7-6, Moylan 5-0, Smith 2-0, O'Connor 0-0.
Batters faced: Williams 23, Robbins 3, Coffey 4, Shackelford 8, Wagner 3, Thomson 24, Moylan 9, Smith 4, O'Connor 7.
Inherited runners-scored: Robbins 2-2.
Umpires: HP: Bill Hohn. 1B: Mike Reilly. 2B: Jeff Nelson. 3B: Laz Diaz.
Weather: 79 degrees, sunny.
Wind: 7 mph, L to R.
T: 2:35.
Att: 9,069.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060318&content_id=1354599&vkey=spt2006gamer&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

membengal
03-18-2006, 06:30 PM
Maybe Gosling was try to get us to appreciate Milton???? :bang:

It worked. Course, Dave Williams made me appreciate Milton too, in the other game...

SirFelixCat
03-18-2006, 06:59 PM
You guys can discuss Williams and Gosling. Wags continues to be effective, Bailey, 5k's in 8 chances (sick!), and the EdE and Lopez with good games, again.

The kids are stepping up and continuing their good start. Please let it continue. And please let them send Homer down, soon, before they get tempted. Please? :pray:

djsauter
03-18-2006, 11:56 PM
I think the batting practice pitchers have lower ERA's.