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Shaknb8k
03-20-2006, 09:56 PM
I wasnt a huge fan of Baseball Prospectus until i picked up the book earlier this month. This is when I noticed they said Great American was a slight pitchers park. This was news to me. According to their Ballpark Factor GAB is close to Oriole Park (Camden Yards), Yankee Stadium, Network Associates Coliseum, and Tropicana Field. I would have guessed it was close to Citizens Bank Park and Coors Field. For some of you who are up-to-date with Baseball Prospectus let me know how accuarte you believe their ballpark factor is.

I dont know how its calculated but from their other stats Im guessing they are pretty accurate. So the question in a nutshell is....

Is it just a myth about GAB being a huge hitters park and the real reason its a hitters park is because of the terrible pitching or is the BP's Ballpark Factor inaccurate?

flyer85
03-20-2006, 10:02 PM
Is it just a myth about GAB being a huge hitters parkNeutral offensive park overall but it is a definite HR park. GABP is the place where ground balls go to die.

so what should the Reds be looking for. Real simple, guys who keep the ball on the ground. Arroyo is much better at that than Milton(so is everyone else) and marginally better than Claussen.

Shaknb8k
03-20-2006, 10:05 PM
Kind of off the subject but is there a site where i can get a ground ball to fly ball ratio for pitchers?

flyer85
03-20-2006, 10:09 PM
Kind of off the subject but is there a site where i can get a ground ball to fly ball ratio for pitchers?ESPN has it, most stat books as well

Redmachine2003
03-20-2006, 10:32 PM
People blame GBA for Milton's down fall but he sucked just as bad on the road as (maybe a little worse on the road) he did in GBA. I believe that the Reds bad pitching has had more to do with GBA being a Homer park plus the fact the Reds have some guys who could hit the ball along ways.

BoydsOfSummer
03-20-2006, 10:42 PM
It suppresses doubles, and triples are practically nonexsistent.

westofyou
03-20-2006, 11:04 PM
For some of you who are up-to-date with Baseball Prospectus let me know how accuarte you believe their ballpark factor is.

Not only does BP rate it has a pitchers park with extreme HR rates but so does Total Baseball and Baseball Info Solutions.

Shaknb8k
03-20-2006, 11:05 PM
Redmachine...thats what im really starting to believe. Our pitching is giving up A LOT of homeruns and we have hitters that hit A LOT of homeruns and that is caused by the actual players rather than the ballpark. We have pitchers and hitters on the far end of Homerun spectrums and not in the moderate section and that is causing this perceptions of GAB.

Solution: I say its time to give Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel a call and have them come in here and get this all figured out.

LoganBuck
03-20-2006, 11:37 PM
Solution: I say its time to give Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel a call and have them come in here and get this all figured out.

Are we allowed to rework Wily Mo's contract now?

cincinnati chili
03-22-2006, 07:24 AM
Is it just a myth about GAB being a huge hitters park and the real reason its a hitters park is because of the terrible pitching or is the BP's Ballpark Factor inaccurate?

Yes, it's just a myth. I've really believed that since the park first opened.

The math (regression analysis, etc) bears this out, and the eyes do too.

The Reds terrible pitching and plus hitting has created this myth. Camden Yards, to a much lesser extent, had a similar reputation when it opened.

KearnsyEars
03-22-2006, 09:03 AM
I gotta disagree with you guys. GABP is the Coors Field of the Midwest. Everyone knows this. Its as good of a hitters park as any in baseball... NOW, our very porous pitching and powerful hitters add to the perception, but the ballpark does little to dispute it. If you see a pitchers duel in our park, or a shutout, I can remember one when I was on hand (Cory Lidle of the Stros), then you are lucky.

flyer85
03-22-2006, 09:17 AM
I gotta disagree with you guys. GABP is the Coors Field of the Midwest. Everyone knows this. Anecdotal evidence is nice. The empirical data paints a slightly different picture.

Runs Scored - GABP is basically neutral over its first 3 years
HRs - boosts alot, about 15%(higher than that for LH Hitters)

In addition it is the place GBs go to die. There % of GBs that go for basehits is lower in GABP than any other park in the majors.

GABP gives the impression of a big offensive boost because of the boost in HRs but it supresses GB base hits and other extra base hits as well.

westofyou
03-22-2006, 10:05 AM
Everyone knows this.The moon is made of cheese, the world is flat, Blacks can't play Major League Baseball.

Everyone knows that.

Data be damned, everyone knows that too.

PickOff
03-22-2006, 12:25 PM
What is really sad is that the Reds fielders have not been able to take advantage of GABP. To have one of the worst defenses in the Majors at this ballpark is truly disheartening. But with the imporvement of Womack and Hatteberg on the right side, we should definitely see things improve. ;)

flyer85
03-22-2006, 01:50 PM
But with the imporvement of Womack and Hatteberg on the right side, we should definitely see things improve. ;)Maybe juse seeing them out there will make the opponents want to hit more ground balls that way. I'm trying to find the silver lining.:help: