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CincyRedsFan30
03-23-2006, 10:23 PM
It's official now:

another update

Mick Cronin named UC basketball coach

posted by ctrosecrans @ 9:21 PM

Matt700wlw
03-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Good Choice....!!!

Reds Fanatic
03-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Yes that is very good choice.

Reds4Life
03-23-2006, 10:26 PM
GREAT choice. I take back every bad thing I said about Mike Thomas.

Matt700wlw
03-23-2006, 10:27 PM
GREAT choice. I take back every bad thing I said about Mike Thomas.

I'll give him props on this one.

beb30
03-23-2006, 10:28 PM
Cronin screwed huggins over to leave for louisville, not suprised that nancy would hire someone like him.....

EmtyRedsFan
03-23-2006, 10:32 PM
honestly i dont think he is a big east type coach... can only hope and pray i guess

beb30
03-23-2006, 10:32 PM
me neither what exactly has he done????

Reds4Life
03-23-2006, 10:42 PM
Cronin screwed huggins over to leave for louisville, not suprised that nancy would hire someone like him.....

He left for 4x the money and a chance to work for one of the top 5 coaches in college basketball. Huggins doesn't have a great track record for getting assistants head coachings jobs.

As far as what he's done, all guys that were on UC's team when it was rated #1 in the country were recruited by Cronin. He's the best recruiter we ever had under Huggins.

Matt700wlw
03-23-2006, 10:42 PM
What had Huggins done prior to coming to UC? He wasn't real known.

I feel a lot better giving Mick his shot, than I would about, oh, let's say.....Karl Hobbs!!?!?!

Newport Red
03-23-2006, 10:43 PM
I like Mick but he's awfully young to be thrown into this mess. I wish he was the coach after this.

Nonetheless, good luck.

Boss-Hog
03-23-2006, 10:44 PM
He left for 4x the money and a chance to work for one of the top 5 coaches in college basketball. Huggins doesn't have a great track record for getting assistants head coachings jobs.

As far as what he's done, all guys that were on UC's team when it was rated #1 in the country were recruited by Cronin. He's the best recruiter we ever had under Huggins.
Agreed. Some of our best recruiting was done with Mick as the recruiting coordinator. I'm sad to see Andy go, but I thought Cronin was far and away the best available for our situation.

LoganBuck
03-23-2006, 11:07 PM
Louisville's Final Four team a few years ago came with players Mick was in on too.

Mick can recruit the East coast. I cannot underline how great a choice this is, imho.

Joseph
03-23-2006, 11:20 PM
As a proud MSU guy here, you guys got a good one in Mick.

CrackerJack
03-24-2006, 01:13 AM
I am very excited about UC basketball again. Thomas made the wise choice, the fans will support Mick, ecspecially after they see what kind of talent he will bring here. Downey is staying, hopefully others will too, including Herrera and McGowan.

Cronin is the best young coach in the country IMO. I hope his first recruit is the 6'7" Williamson kid from CTC.

Cronin will bring some talent with him (not necessarily from MSU).

Of course there are risks and unknowns about him, but he's learned from some of the best, and has a lot of energy and passion for what he does, and has won and recruited some great talent wherever he's been.

Question is if he can recruit in the Big East without a big name coach to back him up, and if so, how long it takes him to get there.

Cedric
03-24-2006, 08:47 AM
I will graduate from UC and I still will show them no loyalty. Basketball isn't that important to forget the way they treated the fans and Huggins/Kennedy. They don't deserve anyone to come back next year.

I was there yesterday and I loved Andy's purple shirt and tie. I think it showed where his loyalty is. That is where mine is also.

Good luck and goodbye from one fan.

The school turns off Kennedy's PA last night and they announce their new big hire right away. They were incredibly jealous of the treatment Huggins was getting on the news so they make their big move. I'm pretty thrilled that they made this decision easier for me.

beb30
03-24-2006, 10:57 AM
I will graduate from UC and I still will show them no loyalty. Basketball isn't that important to forget the way they treated the fans and Huggins/Kennedy. They don't deserve anyone to come back next year.

I was there yesterday and I loved Andy's purple shirt and tie. I think it showed where his loyalty is. That is where mine is also.

Good luck and goodbye from one fan.

The school turns off Kennedy's PA last night and they announce their new big hire right away. They were incredibly jealous of the treatment Huggins was getting on the news so they make their big move. I'm pretty thrilled that they made this decision easier for me.

EXACTLY HOW I FEEL

LoganBuck
03-24-2006, 01:25 PM
I will graduate from UC and I still will show them no loyalty. Basketball isn't that important to forget the way they treated the fans and Huggins/Kennedy. They don't deserve anyone to come back next year.

I was there yesterday and I loved Andy's purple shirt and tie. I think it showed where his loyalty is. That is where mine is also.

Good luck and goodbye from one fan.

The school turns off Kennedy's PA last night and they announce their new big hire right away. They were incredibly jealous of the treatment Huggins was getting on the news so they make their big move. I'm pretty thrilled that they made this decision easier for me.

If the basketball team influences your opinion of your alma mater, that much, that is truely sad. I don't care what Ohio State would do to a football, or basketball coach, it would not change my love for the school. We are talking about basketball, nothing to burn a bridge for.

Cedric
03-24-2006, 01:29 PM
If the basketball team influences your opinion of your alma mater, that much, that is truely sad. I don't care what Ohio State would do to a football, or basketball coach, it would not change my love for the school. We are talking about basketball, nothing to burn a bridge for.

Are you me? I'll make my own decisions bud.
Nancy has made a hell of a lot more than basketball decisions wrong around here. I have no idea if you go here or follow the decisions she has made around campus?

beb30
03-24-2006, 01:30 PM
If the basketball team influences your opinion of your alma mater, that much, that is truely sad. I don't care what Ohio State would do to a football, or basketball coach, it would not change my love for the school. We are talking about basketball, nothing to burn a bridge for.

Have you been around the past year at all? Did you not see how UC treated not only Huggins, but Kennedy and many other employees as well. For what Huggins did for this University the past 16 years he didnt not deserve to be treated the way he was. For what Kennedy did for the University the past year he deserved a chance to be head coach, and not to be treated the way he was.....I love UC, but i absolutely hate Zimpher and the board. I will refuse to shake her hand when i graduate in june.

Cedric
03-24-2006, 01:38 PM
Have you been around the past year at all? Did you not see how UC treated not only Huggins, but Kennedy and many other employees as well. For what Huggins did for this University the past 16 years he didnt not deserve to be treated the way he was. For what Kennedy did for the University the past year he deserved a chance to be head coach, and not to be treated the way he was.....I love UC, but i absolutely hate Zimpher and the board. I will refuse to shake her hand when i graduate in june.

There will be many of us passing her hand. She has disrespected anyone that didn't have a degree AZ.

Chip R
03-24-2006, 01:51 PM
There will be many of us passing her hand. She has disrespected anyone that didn't have a degree AZ.

You know what you should do. Put your hand out and when she puts hers out, pull it back and slide your hand across the side of your head like you're slicking your hair back. She will be so psyched out by that.

Cedric
03-24-2006, 01:53 PM
You know what you should do. Put your hand out and when she puts hers out, pull it back and slide your hand across the side of your head like you're slicking your hair back. She will be so psyched out by that.

HAHA.

Chip- Many of my friends have joked about doing that EXACT same thing you said. It's too easy though.

Caveat Emperor
03-24-2006, 01:57 PM
If the basketball team influences your opinion of your alma mater, that much, that is truely sad. I don't care what Ohio State would do to a football, or basketball coach, it would not change my love for the school. We are talking about basketball, nothing to burn a bridge for.

It's different when your undergraduate alma mater embarasses themselves like this.

I loved my time at Tulane, but I still dispise the administration for not caring enough about the school's image to let the football and basketball teams travel around the country (prior to Katrina) and get the everliving crap beaten out of them. All because they just didn't consider it a priority to find talented people to coach or to spend money to find talented kids to recruit.

It might just be "sports" but when I was at school, the only time anyone ever heard the name Tulane was when reporting some lopsided score and showing a few highlights of Dwyane Wade posterizing someone. That stings. It may be irrational, but it's embarassing and it stings.

LoganBuck
03-24-2006, 02:04 PM
Karen Holbrooke and before her William Kirwin at OSU are/were despised by the student body, and also the general public. Holbrooke has basically banned all alcohol in the tailgating areas, moved long time tailgaters away from the Shoe, and given their spots to higher dollar donors, and has led a crackdown on admissions of at risk student athletes that is very unforgiving. Kirwin always came off as a snob, who stumbled over his own ego. He led a crack down on fraternities and their partying, and then a member of the OSU chapter of his own fraternity, died of an overdose of GHB, the date rape drug. Ohio State alums and fans know all about bad university presidents.

The sports teams and the president impact things that should account for less than 5% of your college experience, the rest of the stuff is what college is all about.

beb30
03-24-2006, 02:09 PM
It's different when your undergraduate alma mater embarasses themselves like this.


Exactly, but even when you are a grad (like my father who went to UC) he hates to see what has happened and it furiates him to see what has gone on.

Cedric
03-24-2006, 02:18 PM
Karen Holbrooke and before her William Kirwin at OSU are/were despised by the student body, and also the general public. Holbrooke has basically banned all alcohol in the tailgating areas, moved long time tailgaters away from the Shoe, and given their spots to higher dollar donors, and has led a crackdown on admissions of at risk student athletes that is very unforgiving. Kirwin always came off as a snob, who stumbled over his own ego. He led a crack down on fraternities and their partying, and then a member of the OSU chapter of his own fraternity, died of an overdose of GHB, the date rape drug. Ohio State alums and fans know all about bad university presidents.

The sports teams and the president impact things that should account for less than 5% of your college experience, the rest of the stuff is what college is all about.

Again- Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't care about? Disagree with me if you want. Don't try and tell me what to think.

I SHOULD care about what I want to care about.

The "rest of the stuff is what college is about"

Don't you realize people might have a different opinion than you?

traderumor
03-24-2006, 02:29 PM
Kirwin always came off as a snob, who stumbled over his own ego. He led a crack down on fraternities and their partying, and then a member of the OSU chapter of his own fraternity, died of an overdose of GHB, the date rape drug.So, maybe it was a good idea to be cracking down? :confused:

beb30
03-24-2006, 02:32 PM
Again- Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't care about? Disagree with me if you want. Don't try and tell me what to think.

I SHOULD care about what I want to care about.

The "rest of the stuff is what college is about"

Don't you realize people might have a different opinion than you?


Exactly, and technically the president can make ultimate decisions that effect your college experience. And why wouldn't social events such as bball games and football games account for more than 5% of your college experience? AZ i guess you must be a big fan of Zimpher

Zimpher is now rumored to have applied to Northwestern. Its part of her masterplan to get to and wreck as many universities before she can carry on no logner.

Benihana
03-24-2006, 03:07 PM
Is it official that Downey is staying? Is there a link for this?

Roy Tucker
03-24-2006, 03:10 PM
Again- Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't care about? Disagree with me if you want. Don't try and tell me what to think.
Easy there. Unless I'm misreading it, LoganBuck is expressing his opinion.

I don't see any telling someone to do something.

Cedric
03-24-2006, 03:30 PM
"The sports teams and the president impact things that should account for less than 5% of your college experience, the rest of the stuff is what college is all about."

Should means something different to me and you then.

StillFunkyB
03-24-2006, 11:14 PM
If this guy was the recruiting director for Huggy Bear, then all that talk from NZ was a bunch of bull, and she should be ran out of town with nothing but the clothes on her back.

I liked Bob Huggins. Yes, he had questionable characters on his teams. He wanted to win ball games, and he did so, quite frequently.

So this new Prez. wants to "clean" things up a bit, fires him, but allows the hiring of the guy who got some of these players to Cincinnati?

Is the local press saying anything about this?

If not, they need to be running with this.

I HATE that woman. Yes, I said HATE. I HATE HER.

LoganBuck
03-25-2006, 01:20 AM
"The sports teams and the president impact things that should account for less than 5% of your college experience, the rest of the stuff is what college is all about."

Should means something different to me and you then.

Why do you go to college? The answer for 99% of people is to get a degree, build relationships that are both personal and professional in nature, experience new ideas and different points of view, to expands one's horizon, participate in a campus community and to immerse yourself in the campus culture either by group participation (sporting events, campus wide rallies, protests, marches, etc) or finding your niche and contributing what you can. A basketball team only has upwards of 18 homegames per year. Lasting about 3 hours total. So roughly 54 hours a year are spent at home basketball games. Assuming 160 instructional days in a year plus time spent on campus, that is a very small portion of the college experience.

And what does "AZ" mean?

I am not trying to get into a for or against UC and Nancy argument, and as a fan of UC basketball, I have followed the situation closely. I just don't understand how so many UC students and alumni, are so eager to spew venom at their school, because of a basketball team. I am not saying that disagreeing with school policy is bad, saying that Nancy Zimpher should be beaten or buildings on campus should be burnt, and that you hate your whole university is a completely different thing.

LoganBuck
03-25-2006, 02:04 AM
So, maybe it was a good idea to be cracking down? :confused:

The problem was he was trying to ban the sale of anything over a twelve pack around campus, and successfully lobbied the Columbus Police to ask beer distributors to get a name and address of where kegs were going. That way the police could come check your party. Then after all this went down and all these rules were put in place, then a member of Delta Tau Delta at OSU, Kirwin was a DTD from Maryland, dies of a overdose of GHB.

SeeinRed
03-25-2006, 02:32 AM
As a current student at UC, I can tell you Nancy Zimpher is a clown. She handles the acedemic aspect of the college just as poorly as the athletic department. She has instituted changes that make no sense. She has cut back night classes, pretty well said that having a UC degree from before she came in means that it is inferior, and her hirings in administration has been questionable at best. You can't tell me she wasn't brought in to fire the people that the board members want fired, then leave town, so the board doesn't take the heat. She was a hired hand.

Now, back to the subject of Cronin being hired. I like this hiring personally. I think he is a good recruiter, and has shown the potential to be a great coach. But you have to wonder why they didn't go after a higher profile coach. Sure, Huggins was an unknown coming in, but the basketball program wasn't near what it is now. Besides, everyone pretty well knew this job was not AK's after he was not hired mid-season like he should have been. I believe if Andy was offered this job mid-season, he would have taken it. However, The situation worked out exactly as Zimpher hoped it would. The college didn't have to turn him down, he chose to go elsewhere, and I truley believe he chose Ole Miss over UC. He didn't want to come back to this hopeless job. UC has little to no chance of success for at least 2-3 years.

Finally, on another subject, I agree with fellow student who have posted on this topic. The handling of this situation severly impacts me at this college, but for different reasons. The life and success of this University depends on the success of its Basketball teams. Without the revenue from basketball, the donations by alumni, and the sales of merchandise, this University would lose Millions. Sure, they would still survive, but how about rises in tuition, how about the programs and equipment for studies at the University, its not free. Wether they will admidt it or not, alot of the money for the acedemic part of the university comes from Basketball. Right or wrong, thats the way it is.

wolfboy
03-25-2006, 11:01 PM
I think Cronin is a great hire. I'm excited to see what he can do. He's a familiar name, a heck of a recruiter, and has the ability to heal some of the wounds this entire mess has caused.

LoganBuck, if athletics should only constitute 5% of the college experience, then why has Zimpher spent so much of her time (and the university's money) reconstructing the basketball program?

LoganBuck
03-26-2006, 11:04 PM
Wolfboy, I doubt Nancy has spent as much time on the basketball team as you think she has.

beb30
03-27-2006, 12:40 AM
Wolfboy, I doubt Nancy has spent as much time on the basketball team as you think she has.

She's spent enough time to completely ruin it.......only to have to start all over again.....

beb30
03-27-2006, 12:42 AM
I am not trying to get into a for or against UC and Nancy argument, and as a fan of UC basketball, I have followed the situation closely. I just don't understand how so many UC students and alumni, are so eager to spew venom at their school, because of a basketball team. I am not saying that disagreeing with school policy is bad, saying that Nancy Zimpher should be beaten or buildings on campus should be burnt, and that you hate your whole university is a completely different thing.

You must have not been here in Cincinnati for the past 16 years then i guess, when all we had to look forward to while the bengals have been down and the reds have been down for the most of the time was the Bearcats......

LoganBuck
03-27-2006, 01:33 PM
Quit crying over spilled milk, and support your university.

Chip R
03-27-2006, 03:53 PM
If this guy was the recruiting director for Huggy Bear, then all that talk from NZ was a bunch of bull, and she should be ran out of town with nothing but the clothes on her back.

I liked Bob Huggins. Yes, he had questionable characters on his teams. He wanted to win ball games, and he did so, quite frequently.

So this new Prez. wants to "clean" things up a bit, fires him, but allows the hiring of the guy who got some of these players to Cincinnati?

Is the local press saying anything about this?

If not, they need to be running with this.

I HATE that woman. Yes, I said HATE. I HATE HER.

Excellent points. I wondered the same thing. My guess is that either they believed Huggins had the final say on recruits - which I'm sure he did - and all Cronin did was get the players Huggins wanted him to get. A nice rationalization but probably not very realistic. Or they figured they would be getting Huggins-lite with Cronin. Someone who can get good players to come in and compete on the highest level without the presence of Huggins. Also it never hurts to bring in a local product.

The media is all aquiver about Cronin coming back since he was part of the old regime and he's a local boy. It is really not fair to question him since no players under Cronin have run afoul of the law yet. However, if the same stuff that happened under Huggins happens under Cronin and the university turns a blind eye, then there is a problem.

DropDocK
03-27-2006, 05:10 PM
I hate the way this situation was handled but I'll still support Cronin. He was the next best choice if they weren't going to give Andy a fair shot (talk about criminals...)


I didn't pay enough attention to what the administration does but I heard plenty of other complaints about Nancy's hiring/firing of other dept directors from classmates last spring. She's certainly making a name for herself.

As for the coaches, I plan on getting some K-State and Ole Miss gear. I don't consider Cronin a traitor because by leaving and going to work with Pitino is like a kid getting out of the family business and seeing what else is out there. Better to go have some experience elsewhere and return home. I think that is what it was all about. I just hope he's as good a recruiter as promised with Hugs there to back him up. Downey and McGowan are good solid players to reconstruct the team around.

wolfboy
03-27-2006, 05:41 PM
Wolfboy, I doubt Nancy has spent as much time on the basketball team as you think she has.

That's pretty funny. I'm glad you are here to clear things up for the wayward UC fan.

Reds4Life
03-27-2006, 06:25 PM
The word is a few big time donors, as well as one very famous former player ;) , finally stepped up after she veto'ed Kennedy as the next coach. It was seen as the last straw I guess. They pretty much told her they are tired of her act and she was going to hire Cronin.................or else.

LoganBuck
03-27-2006, 09:39 PM
Cronin gets first big time verbal.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060327/SPT0101/303270022/1062/SPT