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danken12
03-24-2006, 03:18 PM
This from Marc's blog.....

More cuts

SARASOTA -- Four more guys are out, none of them surprises (at least from my roster projection).

Michael Gosling, Justin Germano and Chris Denorfia have been optioned to Louisville. Jung Keun Bong was reassigned to minor league camp.

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So much for Deno making the team:rolleyes:

RedsManRick
03-24-2006, 03:22 PM
Hey Chris, Brady Clark wants to know your address so he can send his condolences for your career path.

KronoRed
03-24-2006, 03:22 PM
Deno never had a chance.

Sad.

Jpup
03-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Deno never had a chance.

Sad.

He'll be back before long.

CincyFlip
03-24-2006, 03:24 PM
That's a shame, I was hoping Chris would make it. Stick him in the outfield please!





(or trade for Ryan Shealy)

timmario66
03-24-2006, 03:44 PM
If he's not starting everyday, he should be in AAA playing every day. He will be back before the end of the season when another OF is probably traded or if/when Hatteburg crashes and burns at 1st base.

He will also be the 1st called up if one of the outfielders gets hurt and will be taking their place everyday.

He needs to play everyday wherever it is.

redsmetz
03-24-2006, 03:49 PM
If he's not starting everyday, he should be in AAA playing every day. He will be back before the end of the season when another OF is probably traded or if/when Hatteburg crashes and burns at 1st base.

He will also be the 1st called up if one of the outfielders gets hurt and will be taking their place everyday.

He needs to play everyday wherever it is.

I absolutely agree that Denorfia needs to be playing every day and will grow at Louisville. He will be needed some time this year and will be a great addition to the line-up at that time.

dougdirt
03-24-2006, 03:51 PM
I dont understand the "he needs to play everyday" thing with Denorfia. He will be 26 years old this year. He isnt a young guy who has a lot to learn still.

harangatang
03-24-2006, 03:55 PM
Hey Chris, Brady Clark wants to know your address so he can send his condolences for your career path.
Ditto, what a shame.

traderumor
03-24-2006, 03:57 PM
I dont understand the "he needs to play everyday" thing with Denorfia. He will be 26 years old this year. He isnt a young guy who has a lot to learn still.I'm about half with you there--except I think there is some merit to the argument that he is not accustomed to playing part time, so he may not be the best option if he's not going to play everyday--but then if he's projecting as a 4th OFer anyhow, which I think he is, why not start the learning how to come off the bench process. I'm pretty sure the Reds see DeWayne Wise and Denorfia as redundant and are going with Wise for a lefty bat off the bench.

I do know one thing--it hurts my head to try to come up with rationilizations for Reds' moves sometimes.

RedsManRick
03-24-2006, 04:02 PM
I agree Chris should be playing everyday -- and given Narron's preferences, AAA makes the most sense for him right now.

Unfortunately, he should be our starting CF, with Junior in LF, and Dunn at 1B. If none of the current OF are going to be traded, Kriv would be smart to trade Deno now, so that we get more value in return that we ended up getting for Brady Clark (Shawn (T)Estes).

Gallen5862
03-24-2006, 04:13 PM
Here is another possible player for AAA. I hope he accepts the assignment.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...=.jsp&c_id=cin
Move pending: Reliever Jason Standridge, who was taken off the 40-man roster on Tuesday after Ross was acquired, cleared waivers and was sent outright to Triple-A Louisville. Standridge has three days to accept the assignment or declare himself a free agent.

TeamBoone
03-24-2006, 04:44 PM
Wouldn't it be a bit foolish to declare himself a free agent if he passed through waivers? Or am I missing something?

Chip R
03-24-2006, 04:54 PM
Wouldn't it be a bit foolish to declare himself a free agent if he passed through waivers? Or am I missing something?

No. Because any club could sign him for whatever price he can command. If he accepted the assignment with LOU, he'd have to play there at minor league wages. You never know who might want to sign him.

TeamBoone
03-24-2006, 04:58 PM
Yes, but if no one was interested enough to claim him off waivers, why would they be interested in him as a free agent? Wouldn't it cost them more that way?

UPRedsFan
03-24-2006, 05:05 PM
I guess this means we're not trading a catcher and we're keeping both TW and Ross? Which outfielder makes the cut with them: Wise, McKracken, or Buchanan?

I should would like to see Kata instead of TW.

KronoRed
03-24-2006, 05:06 PM
3 catchers?

Why? :dunno:

ochre
03-24-2006, 05:23 PM
It's in the sig bro.

Superdude
03-24-2006, 05:28 PM
I think that Denorfia would be better off having 200 major league AB's this year than 500 minor league one's. He doesn't have anything to work on besides learning major league pitching. Unfortunately that's not a possibility when you've got studs like Hatteberg blocking him. This reminds me SO much of Jim Thome blocking Ryan Howard the last few years!

TRF
03-24-2006, 05:34 PM
This reminds me SO much of Jim Thome blocking Ryan Howard the last few years!

Except that Thome had the ability to hit the ball, and a pretty good history of hitting the ball.

Gallen5862
03-24-2006, 05:36 PM
Team Boone you are right. It does seem foolish to declare for free agency after passing through waivers. It would seem that Standridge would have a better chance in AAA and try to get called up later.

Reds1
03-24-2006, 05:59 PM
I also agree with many that Deno should go to AAA to play everyday. He seems to be progressing very well. Isn't it nice to have some nice prospects the past couple years. FeLo, EE, and Deno. No pitching, but those 3 will all be nice cheap young players for a few years. Hopefully Homer will become the 1st big youngster to make a major impact.

IslandRed
03-24-2006, 05:59 PM
I think that Denorfia would be better off having 200 major league AB's this year than 500 minor league one's. He doesn't have anything to work on besides learning major league pitching. Unfortunately that's not a possibility when you've got studs like Hatteberg blocking him. This reminds me SO much of Jim Thome blocking Ryan Howard the last few years!

I like Denorfia and think he'll be a good big-leaguer, don't get me wrong. But we're not exactly talking about clearing room for George Foster in 1975 here. Denorfia didn't start hitting like a top prospect until last year at age 25, and he's only logged about four months' time above Double-A. I don't think he's proven himself a sure thing and I wouldn't mind seeing him continue to hit a little longer before I start moving players around to accommodate him.

savafan
03-24-2006, 06:05 PM
No. Because any club could sign him for whatever price he can command. If he accepted the assignment with LOU, he'd have to play there at minor league wages. You never know who might want to sign him.

Are agents allowed to talk to other teams when this happens, or is that against the tampering rules?


What kind of player does Denorfia project as?

TC81190
03-24-2006, 06:07 PM
What kind of player does Denorfia project as?

Not sure, but a player who posted a 390 OBP and 20 HRs in the minors last year and a +100 IsoD in his MLB stint last year is OK by me.

Chip R
03-24-2006, 06:34 PM
Yes, but if no one was interested enough to claim him off waivers, why would they be interested in him as a free agent? Wouldn't it cost them more that way?

Not necessarily. If you claim a guy off waivers, you have to pay the price of the waiver claim and pay his salary and keep him on the 25/40 man roster. If he is a FA, teams can negotiate whatever deal they like with them. For example, perhaps ATL would be interested in signing Standridge to a minor league deal. But so may Colorado. He may have a better chance to be a good pitcher with the ATL organization than he would with COL. Or maybe he believes he would have a better shot getting back to the majors with COL.

Sava, I would think agents could talk to other teams during that process. That way they can gague interest. But maybe someone like Team Clark could answer that question better.

Superdude
03-24-2006, 08:28 PM
Unfortunately that's not a possibility when you've got studs like Hatteberg blocking him. This reminds me SO much of Jim Thome blocking Ryan Howard the last few years!

I better clear this up! It was a joke in comparing Hatteberg to Thome. ;)

Kc61
03-24-2006, 09:25 PM
Denorfia will be a good fourth outfielder. I can understand giving him a bit more seasoning, with every day play, before assigning him to that role on the Reds. Since he can play centerfield, which is an important skill, I have no doubt he will be in the major leagues pretty soon.

wheels
03-24-2006, 09:47 PM
Denorfia will be a good fourth outfielder. I can understand giving him a bit more seasoning, with every day play, before assigning him to that role on the Reds. Since he can play centerfield, which is an important skill, I have no doubt he will be in the major leagues pretty soon.

To tell you the truth, I think he will be a good STARTING outfielder.

I think he already is.

It's so crazy that Krivsky, coming from an organization like the Twins doesn't realize the glaring need for range in the Cincinnati outfield.

You'd think watching guys like Jacque Jones and Torii Hunter run around like gazelles over the past few years would mean he values such things.

Maybe the Twins success was ALL Terry Ryan.........I really hope that isn't the case.

markymark69
03-24-2006, 10:26 PM
3 catchers?

Why? :dunno:

Just a thought here. Perhaps Javier Valentin assumes the role of lead pinch hitter instead of Jacob Cruz. Valentin can also play some first base.

I'm not saying that carrying three catchers will happen, but why trade for Ross if he isn't going to be on the opening day roster?

Barring a trade of LaRue or Valentin, the above reason is only logical one I can think of.

IslandRed
03-24-2006, 10:49 PM
Not a bad supposition. Managers often hesitate to use the last catcher as a pinch-hitter. That's not an issue for most teams because the backup catcher usually doesn't hit much, but in our case, having Larue or Valentin freed up for pinch-hitting duties could help. Let Ross be the 25th guy every day instead of a guy who can actually hit. :D

I still think there's a good chance a catcher is traded, though.

wheels
03-24-2006, 10:57 PM
I can't fathom sending your team's best defensive outfielder down, while keeping three catchers.

Either a trade is in the works, or something really smells.

This really irks me.

KronoRed
03-24-2006, 11:34 PM
I can't fathom sending your team's best defensive outfielder down, while keeping three catchers.


I'm holding out hope they aren't that dumb, 12 pitchers plus 3 catchers leaves 10 guys for the 7 other spots, that's bad, real bad.

I'm seeing a pitcher having to play the OF in an extra inning game if they do that.

savafan
03-24-2006, 11:37 PM
Eric Milton could be the extra pinch hitter.

Gallen5862
03-24-2006, 11:51 PM
This is our AAA team roster so far. Interesting only one catcher. It looks like Standridge should take the assignment.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&did=milb&cid=416

BigRed
03-24-2006, 11:58 PM
Not a good comparison. I would take Thome right now to play 1B. Hatteberg is not even a poor man's Sean Casey.

Nugget
03-25-2006, 02:05 AM
Deno was sent down because he was not going to be a starting outfielder. Whatever the reasons and there must be something to Hatterberg being a better first baseman than Dunn. There is more to playing it everyday then just playing it occasionally like he did last year. Also playing in the infield take a different mental approach as well. You can kind of turn off more in between pitches and stuff than the infield.

Deno will probably get the call up at some time but he still has stuff to learn. You don't want him turning into a WMP. His not going to get better or even stay sharp sitting on the bench.

The REDS are still evaluating the three catcher scenario (and maybe the trade situation) so I don't see the situations being related. You may even see RA moved on with Valentin being the 1B/pinch hitter. There are all sorts of options there. Whereas Buchanan/Wise/McCracken/Cruz are really competing for that bench outfield spot. They're not going to get the call up to replace the starting outfield.

I think the real interesting competition is in the relief corp. I would like to see White moved on and the REDS go with Burns/Wagner/Coffey/Belisle and the vets.

savafan
03-25-2006, 02:12 AM
The REDS are still evaluating the three catcher scenario (and maybe the trade situation) so I don't see the situations being related. You may even see RA moved on with Valentin being the 1B/pinch hitter. There are all sorts of options there. Whereas Buchanan/Wise/McCracken/Cruz are really competing for that bench outfield spot. They're not going to get the call up to replace the starting outfield.


I'd like to know what the future of Miguel Perez might be with this club.

Dunner44
03-25-2006, 10:23 AM
Standridge accepted Lousiville according to Marc:


SARASOTA -- Going through workouts on the back fields as we speak: Jason Standridge.

Probably a smart move on his part to accept the assignment. I imagine we'll see him in the majors at some point this year.

Gallen5862
03-25-2006, 11:00 AM
I am glad Standridge accepted the assignment. This is probably his best shot to get back to the majors. this also gives the team more depth.