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Jpup
03-26-2006, 02:43 PM
per Marty B during the game broadcast.

Reds Fanatic
03-26-2006, 02:43 PM
Jason Larue is scheduled to have surgery to repair a tear in his meniscus in his right knee tomorrow.

flyer85
03-26-2006, 02:43 PM
torn cartilage in right knee

Jpup
03-26-2006, 02:45 PM
I think it's time to sign Carlos Pena, more than ever. Larue out at least 2 weeks, he will not go on the DL right now.

Reds Fanatic
03-26-2006, 02:45 PM
only expected to miss a few weeks. Not being put on the disabled list yet.

Jpup
03-26-2006, 02:47 PM
Krivsky was right, "You can never have enough catching."

Chip R
03-26-2006, 02:48 PM
No need to put him on the DL till Opening Day.

harangatang
03-26-2006, 02:50 PM
Krivsky was right, "You can never have enough catching."

Maybe Krvisky knew something could be wrong with LaRue and pulled the trigger so we don't have to see Sardinha or Perez.

redsfan30
03-26-2006, 02:59 PM
Well that puts the LaRue for Brad Penny rumor to rest.

Falls City Beer
03-26-2006, 03:01 PM
Definitely going to want to pick up some offense to offset Larue's massive positional offensive output.

And no more no-field, no-hit whizzes like Sanchez or Hatteberg.

KronoRed
03-26-2006, 03:02 PM
No need to put him on the DL till Opening Day.
Dan O loved to play with a 24 and even a 23 man roster? maybe Krivsky is the same? ;)

flyer85
03-26-2006, 03:04 PM
Definitely going to want to pick up some offense to offset Larue's massive positional offensive output.

And no more no-field, no-hit whizzes like Sanchez or Hatteberg.or Womack or Mccracken or Perez

Newport Red
03-26-2006, 03:29 PM
Wow! He's the man.
Two weeks after my meniscus surgery, I was just getting off the crutches.

TOBTTReds
03-26-2006, 03:43 PM
or Womack or Mccracken or Perez

Perez is a no field guy? Miggy is going to be one of the best defensive catchers in AAA this year.

TeamBoone
03-26-2006, 03:54 PM
Knowing this, I'm surprised they didn't have Valentin catch for Arroyo yesterday.

Maybe they didn't know it until yesterday, and said get it fixed... now. Who knows! Marty and Steve mentioned that it was kept under wraps well, which makes me think they just found out.

Big Klu
03-26-2006, 03:59 PM
Wow! He's the man.
Two weeks after my meniscus surgery, I was just getting off the crutches.

Remember though, big-league ballplayers have trainers and state-of-the-art rehab facilities at their disposal.

TC81190
03-26-2006, 04:02 PM
Perez is a no field guy? Miggy is going to be one of the best defensive catchers in AAA this year.

Tomas Perez.

BigRed
03-26-2006, 04:08 PM
Did they say when he hurt it? He looked good yesterday, even hit a dinger.

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2006, 04:09 PM
Knowing this, I'm surprised they didn't have Valentin catch for Arroyo yesterday.

Maybe they didn't know it until yesterday, and said get it fixed... now. Who knows! Marty and Steve mentioned that it was kept under wraps well, which makes me think they just found out.

Or that they were shopping LaRue around to a lot of different people, didn't get any offers they were liking, then decided to come forward with the problem and get it taken care of.

You'd never get an accurate appraisal of what people are willing to pay for LaRue if it was common knowledge that was about to go under the knife, even for routine surgery.

jnwohio
03-26-2006, 06:09 PM
I don't know if it is part of the CBA or what the purpose is but it seems they never DL folks until the final spring cuts. If it was checked, I'll bet we would finds Wilson is not on the DL yet either.

Also this really ups their chances of slipping Ross thru waivers when LaRue is ready to come back because rosters will be set.

Now the question is will they trade Sardinha or try to slide him thru waivers for the opening day cutdown.

biggestREDSfan
03-26-2006, 06:50 PM
I hate to hear that LaRue is going on the disabled list soon. He will be missed. Maybe itis good that it happened here early in the season.

Jpup
03-26-2006, 08:02 PM
According to Mark Sheldon, LaRue wasn't hurt until Sunday.



SARASOTA, Fla. -- The Reds learned on Sunday that catcher Jason LaRue had torn medial meniscus cartilage in his right knee and that he will need surgery.

The injury could have ramifications on the makeup of the club's 25-man roster for Opening Day.

LaRue flew to Cincinnati on Sunday afternoon and is scheduled to have an arthroscopic procedure performed on Monday morning by team medical director Dr. Tim Kremchek. LaRue is expected to miss 10 days to two weeks while recovering.

A decision had yet not been made on whether LaRue would be placed on the 15-day disabled list.

"Until we know the extent of the tear, it's too early to speculate," Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky said. "But with a week to go until the season, we'll have to wait and see."

LaRue was catching a simulated game for Paul Wilson on Sunday when he felt pain while crouching behind the plate that forced him to walk off the field. An MRI exam confirmed the tear, Krivsky said.

"The sooner we do [the surgery], the sooner he'll be back," Krivsky added.

In 16 games this spring, LaRue was batting .167 (6-for-36). He hit a home run in Saturday's game against the Twins. Last season, the 32-year-old batted a career-best .260 with 14 home runs and set another personal best with 60 RBIs. He signed a two-year, $9.1 million contract in December.

With LaRue out, backup Javier Valentin will see more action. LaRue's situation could temporarily alleviate a roster crunch at catcher. The Reds acquired defensive specialist David Ross in a trade from the Padres last week, and they also have Dane Sardinha. Both Ross and Sardinha are out of options.

Ross' acquisition created speculation that either LaRue or Valentin might be on the trading block in a Reds' effort to acquire more pitching.

Wilson throws: So far, the Reds are satisfied this spring with Wilson's rehabilitation from shoulder surgery.

But there seems to be a ways to go still before the right-hander will work from mound again in a Major League game.

Wilson, who has yet to pitch in an exhibition game this spring, threw 60 pitches on Sunday morning in his simulated game to Minor League hitters. Reporting no pain, he is scheduled to throw on the side on Tuesday before working another simulated game on Friday.

As expected, Wilson will remain in Florida to continue his throwing program in after the Reds head north to begin the regular season.

"We're going to leave him down here to work in extended spring training for at least the first couple of weeks of April," Reds head trainer Mark Mann said. "Depending on his progress those first two weeks of April, we'll determine what the next step is for him."

An eventual step for Wilson before returning to Cincinnati would be going on a Minor League rehabilitation assignment to start in some games.

The Reds prepared for this contingency throughout camp. Young pitchers, including Michael Gosling and Justin Germano, were originally auditioned to take the fifth starter's role. Then last Monday, the rotation was shored up with the acquisition of Bronson Arroyo in the trade that sent outfielder Wily Mo Pena to Boston.

Wilson had season-ending surgery last June to repair a torn rotator cuff and frayed labrum. The 33-year-old is in the final year of a two-year, $8.2 million contract that carries a 2007 club option.

During Sunday's throwing session, Wilson continued to throw fastballs and sinker pitches and used a curveball for the first time. He has yet to use a slider, a pitch that puts the most stress on an arm.

"For a guy that had surgery the middle of last season to be able to go out and compete in a live batting practice session to hitters," Mann said. "At this point, we're very pleased with his progress. He's incorporating his pitches more and more in these sessions."

Balfour update: Also on the rehabilitation front, pitcher Grant Balfour has increased to long tossing at distances up to 120 feet. The right-hander, who is recovering from both Tommy John surgery on his elbow and an operation on his shoulder, was signed in the offseason as a free agent.

Balfour isn't expected to be seen in a Major League game until sometime this summer. The pitcher hoped to begin throwing off a mound again for the first time next week.

Wagner looking good: Trying to secure a spot in the Reds bullpen this spring, Ryan Wagner has put himself in decent position to make the team this spring. After a rough first outing early on, Wagner has since posted a 1.00 ERA over his last nine games (one earned run in nine innings).

Overall, the right-hander is 2-1 with a 3.60 ERA and two saves in 10 innings over 10 games. Coaches have encouraged Wagner to focus on his strengths of throwing two-seam fastballs and sinkerballs instead of sliders.

"The last couple of years, if he ever got a swing and a miss on a slider, you could flat out believe the next pitch would be a slider," Reds manager Jerry Narron said. "That's something he needs to get away from."

Wagner, 23, was 3-2 with a 6.11 ERA in 42 games last season but missed the entire second half with shoulder inflammation.

Coming up: Coming off a very strong outing Wednesday, Eric Milton will make his third spring start 7:05 p.m. ET Monday night against the Pirates. Ian Snell is scheduled to start for Pittsburgh

remdog
03-26-2006, 08:45 PM
When did David Ross become a 'defensive specialist'?

Rem

Jpup
03-26-2006, 09:00 PM
When did David Ross become a 'defensive specialist'?

Rem

:laugh: e-mail Mr. Sheldon and ask him. maybe it was when he threw a guy out at third today?

Dunner44
03-26-2006, 09:32 PM
Yes, seeing Ross listed as a defenisve specalist made me cry.... if we needed a defensive specialist, don't we have Dane "I can't hit to save my grandma, but watch me handle pitchers or throw out runners... like wow" Sardinha

max venable
03-26-2006, 09:57 PM
This was in the Newark Star-Ledger today:


...the Reds are trying to trade catcher Jason LaRue for pitching help, since they believe (correctly) that they needed more than Arroyo.

LINK (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/114335349323370.xml&coll=1&thispage=4)

As Forrest Gump would say: Well I guess that's all there is to say about that...

Reds Nd2
03-26-2006, 10:05 PM
Maybe they didn't know it until yesterday, and said get it fixed... now. Who knows! Marty and Steve mentioned that it was kept under wraps well, which makes me think they just found out.

After going back and watching the game again (I love MLB.TV), LaRue faked a throw down to 1B in the top of the 3rd inning. Luis Rodriguez on first and left handed hitting Jason Kubel at bat. The very next pitch, he does make the snap throw to first and perhaps landed awkwardly on his right knee. When I saw it live on Saturday, I thought he was just having trouble making the throw around a left handed batter and he did get behind the dish for the next two innings.

It's my opinion that he tore the medial meniscus cartilage during his HR in the bottom of the 5th. It looked like he twisted it (his right knee) on the swing and then Pigpen stumbled coming out of the box and briefly grabbed his right knee before crossing the plate. I thought it looked like he might be favoring it as he rounded the bases. Of course Valentin pinch hit for Arroyo in the very next at bat, so maybe it's just my imagination running away with me again. :)

TeamBoone
03-27-2006, 12:02 AM
Or that they were shopping LaRue around to a lot of different people, didn't get any offers they were liking, then decided to come forward with the problem and get it taken care of.

You'd never get an accurate appraisal of what people are willing to pay for LaRue if it was common knowledge that was about to go under the knife, even for routine surgery.

But isn't every trade pretty much pending the player passing a physical? Or isn't this particular injury something that would be found on a routine physical?

marcshoe
03-27-2006, 01:08 AM
This was in the Newark Star-Ledger today:


LINK (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/graziano/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/114335349323370.xml&coll=1&thispage=4)

As Forrest Gump would say: Well I guess that's all there is to say about that...


So, what now? Wait and hope LaRue comes back soon? Shop someone else?

The only really tradable piece I can think of is Kearns, and I wouldn't trade him at the moment. I believe his value is about to climb back up to what it once was.

OnBaseMachine
03-27-2006, 07:51 AM
I knew the hitting tandem of LaRue and Valentin were awesome last year, but damn I didn't know they were THAT good! ;)

Reds' LaRue to undergo knee surgery
Team's catching overload has temporary solution
By Hal McCoy

Dayton Daily News

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. — General manager Wayne Krivsky won't be asked any time soon, "Why four catchers on the 40-man roster?"

For the immediate future, the number is down to three after an MRI Sunday revealed that No. 1 catcher Jason LaRue has a torn meniscus in his right knee that requires surgery.

Team medical director Dr. Tim Kremchek will perform the surgery today in Cincinnati and the diagnosis is that LaRue will miss two weeks, meaning he won't be available Opening Day or the first week of the season.

The Reds, though, aren't putting LaRue on the DL. He flew to Cincinnati on CEO/owner Bob Castellini's private jet this morning and will return to Sarasota tonight to be immediate rehabilitation.

"Up and back in one day and that's the beauty of having an owner who treats his players like that," said Krivsky. "That's a hell of a thing."

LaRue tried to catch batting practice Sunday morning in Sarasota for Paul Wilson and it quickly began hurting.

"It only hurts when he squats," said Krivsky. "I had not heard that it was bothering him and he wasn't on the injury reports. I had heard how tough he is about these things. If he had some mild discomfort, he was keeping it to himself."

Early last week, Krivsky acquired a fourth catcher, trading minor-league pitcher Bobby Basham to San Diego for Dave Ross. That gave the Reds LaRue, Javier Valentin, Dane Sardinha and Ross, with rumors rampant that the Reds are trying to trade Sardinha.

LaRue, 32, signed a two-year $9.1 million contract in the offseason and scouts from other team have asked all spring why LaRue was playing so much — 19 games and 36 at-bats.

He was hitting only .167 and on Saturday he hit a home run against Minnesota, his first extra base hit this spring.

Manager Jerry Narron said Valentin will receive the majority of the catching during LaRue's absence, "Hopefully Jason won't be out very long, but we have three guys left and they're all capable of doing a good job. Javy has definitely show that he can play when needed but right now we'll see how long it will take with Jason."

LaRue and Valentin combined on a pseudo-platoon system last season to hit .268 with 238 homers and 110 RBIs, the best catching tandem in the majors.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/content/sports/reds/daily/0327larueweb.html

Dunner44
03-27-2006, 08:55 AM
Hal really needs a better editor.... this has been a problem for a while...

DropDocK
03-27-2006, 10:20 AM
I'm glad Valentin will get a crack at playing more often while LaRue is out. 10x out of 10 I'd prefer to see Javier behind the plate rather than LaRue.

redsfan30
03-27-2006, 11:35 AM
I'm glad Valentin will get a crack at playing more often while LaRue is out. 10x out of 10 I'd prefer to see Javier behind the plate rather than LaRue.
Hi, Mrs. Valentin!

:wave:

DropDocK
03-27-2006, 03:49 PM
lol

Hello yourself. I'm just sick of LaRue and all the passed balls (albeit conceding some to the pitchers) and weak offense.

redsfan30
03-27-2006, 04:16 PM
lol

Hello yourself. I'm just sick of LaRue and all the passed balls (albeit conceding some to the pitchers) and weak offense.
LaRue is actually one of the most productive offensive catchers in all of baseball.

Nugget
03-27-2006, 05:39 PM
But isn't every trade pretty much pending the player passing a physical? Or isn't this particular injury something that would be found on a routine physical?

I think the article says that the tear was only confirmed after an MRI. And as we have seen recently not all teams require MRIs as part of their physicals. Larue may have gotten through the physical with a clean bill but still had the problem. There may have been issues with undisclosed injuries etc.

Caveat Emperor
03-27-2006, 06:20 PM
lol

Hello yourself. I'm just sick of LaRue and all the passed balls (albeit conceding some to the pitchers) and weak offense.

Jason LaRue had as many extra-base hits (41) as Sean Casey last year, but did so in over 150 fewer ABs. He posted the 4th highest total OPS for a catcher in the majors with at least 350 ABs. He is, in short, one of the best offensive catchers in baseball.

As far as passed balls -- when your pitching staff can't find sub-5 ERAs with two hands and a flashlight, it probably means that they're not exactly hitting the spots where the catcher is setting up at any regularity.

pedro
03-27-2006, 06:28 PM
lol

Hello yourself. I'm just sick of LaRue and all the passed balls (albeit conceding some to the pitchers) and weak offense.

welcome aboard DropDock.

I'm not going to dig them up now, but if you use the search function you can find a lot of threads that cover this very topic.

I'm of the opinion that Larue is underated by many folks here and that the PB argument is overused but frankly I'm tired of talking about it at this point.

PTBNL
03-27-2006, 06:34 PM
Anyone hear about this?
LaRue's surgery only took 30 mins. and he was at the yard this afternoon?
Thinks he will be ready for Opening Day?!

Big Klu
03-27-2006, 07:18 PM
Anyone hear about this?
LaRue's surgery only took 30 mins. and he was at the yard this afternoon?
Thinks he will be ready for Opening Day?!

It wouldn't surprise me. If I recall correctly, it is the same surgery that Ohio State RB Maurice Clarett had during his freshman year, and he only missed one or two games.

LaRue is way tougher than Clarett, IMO.

OnBaseMachine
03-27-2006, 07:34 PM
Jason LaRue - Catcher

Jason LaRue still hopes to play on Opening Day after undergoing minor surgery Monday to repair torn cartilage in his right knee.
"I'm hoping to make Opening Day," LaRue said. "They said basically that 10 days would be for a normal person. I'm hoping to make it in seven. That's if we have no setbacks or anything like that." The best guess is that LaRue will miss the first week of the season. Mar. 27 - 5:21 pm et

http://rotoworld.com/content/clubhouse_news.asp?sport=MLB&show=NL&majteam=CIN