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Reds Fanatic
03-28-2006, 02:23 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2387372


Oklahoma's Kelvin Sampson is expected to leave the school to become the next head coach at Indiana, multiple sources told ESPN.com.

Sampson already told OU athletic director Joe Castiglione of his plans and was scheduled to meet with the Sooner team Tuesday afternoon.

A news conference announcing his hiring at Indiana could take place as early as Wednesday afternoon in Bloomington.

Sampson replaces Mike Davis, who took over for Hall of Fame coach Bob Knight in 2000.

MWM
03-28-2006, 02:31 PM
Wow! I'm not sure why Sampson would want to leave Oklahoma for IU, maybe it's because OU will always be a football first school. But this seems like a GREAT hire for IU. They get a great coach and silence a lot of the critics screaming racism and Mike Davis (although I think there's a lot of legitimacy to many of thse claims).

Heath
03-28-2006, 02:32 PM
He's nuts - lateral move IMO.

WVRed
03-28-2006, 02:37 PM
Wow! I'm not sure why Sampson would want to leave Oklahoma for IU, maybe it's because OU will always be a football first school. But this seems like a GREAT hire for IU. They get a great coach and silence a lot of the critics screaming racism and Mike Davis (although I think there's a lot of legitimacy to many of thse claims).

Must be money.

This was a shock. Indiana has had a different top candidate every day.(Alford, Beilein, etc)

Javy Pornstache
03-28-2006, 02:40 PM
No way is Indiana a lateral move from Oklahoma. No matter who's had the better record as a program over the last few years, Indiana is an elite basketball program overall, in that top tier, that, in my opinion, only includes Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas and UCLA. Maybe Duke, though their success hasn't been quite as sustained over decades and decades as the other five.

Chip R
03-28-2006, 02:44 PM
Will the last coach left in the Big 12 please turn out the lights.

max venable
03-28-2006, 02:49 PM
WOW! I'm totally surprised that Sampson would leave OU to go to IU. But at the same time, I'm relieved that it's not Matta! :thumbup:

Chip R
03-28-2006, 02:51 PM
WOW! I'm totally surprised that Sampson would leave OU to go to IU. But at the same time, I'm relieved that it's not Matta! :thumbup:

I'm not. OU hoops is always going to play second fiddle to OU football. IU hoops will never play second fiddle to IU football.

cumberlandreds
03-28-2006, 02:54 PM
Very surprising move. I think Sampson is a good coach but it seems most of his teams are early outs in the NCAA tournament. IU fans will see tough defense with a lot of half court sets on offense. May not be pretty basketball but will fit the Big Ten style of play. I think this is a step up for Sampson. OU is all about football and nothing but football. IU is total basketball like UK. He may flourish more in that type of environment.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 02:56 PM
Wasn't OU under NCAA investigation several times under his watch?

Talk about out of left field, don't see how this hire makes much sense for IU.

rdiersin
03-28-2006, 02:57 PM
IU fans will see tough defense with a lot of half court sets on offense. May not be pretty basketball but will fit the Big Ten style of play.

That's what I think too, and that's where IU did a good job. They haven't had good defensive teams for a good while.

max venable
03-28-2006, 03:00 PM
Talk about out of left field, don't see how this hire makes much sense for IU.

It WAS out of left field. Actually, I think it's a good hire for IU. I just never heard Sampson's name mentioned in the same breath as the IU job at all.

traderumor
03-28-2006, 03:16 PM
It WAS out of left field. Actually, I think it's a good hire for IU. I just never heard Sampson's name mentioned in the same breath as the IU job at all.I'm sure there's a blog somewhere that someone made a bold prediction that Sampson would be the next IU coach ;)

jmbraun773
03-28-2006, 03:22 PM
I like this hire it brings back a concept of in your face defensive basketball. He has proven that he can win at a major school, the only thing that worries me is the NCAA investigation currently going on.

I am also hoping that some of those recruits Coach Sampson had coming in to OU decide to jump ship and head to IU. Also Darrell Arthur, a great looking prospect, will hopefully decide to come here now.

All in all I am going to support my new coach, I think some good times are ahead.

GO HOOSIERS!!!



On a side note:

get a great coach and silence a lot of the critics screaming racism and Mike Davis (although I think there's a lot of legitimacy to many of thse claims).

I am so tired of hearing about racism with Mike Davis, he played that card every chance he could. If any coach (Coach K, Roy Williams, etc...) was in the same position at the same time as MD then the same scenario would be happening. He was given a huge contract after the Final Four but then he didn't produce any good results. It was not because he was black.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 03:25 PM
After some quick research it looks like OU is under NCAA investigation right now for recruiting violations. The sanctions against them are looming, looks like Kelvin is bailing on a mess that he created.

traderumor
03-28-2006, 03:30 PM
After some quick research it looks like OU is under NCAA investigation right now for recruiting violations. The sanctions against them are looming, looks like Kelvin is bailing on a mess that he created.

That's interesting. Depending on the severity, that could affect the IU program in recruiting as well since they hired him. Anyone have any additional info?

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 03:32 PM
That's interesting. Depending on the severity, that could affect the IU program in recruiting as well since they hired him. Anyone have any additional info?

Sanctions are imposed on the school only, not the coach, it won't affect IU at all. It could however screw OU big time in their coaching seach. No coach wants to walk into a situation where they are going to be handcuffed by the NCAA for the next few years.

traderumor
03-28-2006, 03:35 PM
Sanctions are imposed on the school only, not the coach, it won't affect IU at all. It could however screw OU big time in their coaching seach. No coach wants to walk into a situation where they are going to be handcuffed by the NCAA for the next few years.
Not so. For example, Jim O'Brien was blacklisted for five years and any one considering his hire will have to go through the NCAA Infractions folks. Paul Biancardi was put on a no recruiting ban until fall 2007 before he resigned from Wright State.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Not so. For example, Jim O'Brien was blacklisted for five years and any one considering his hire will have to go through the NCAA Infractions folks. Paul Biancardi was put on a no recruiting ban until fall 2007 before he resigned from Wright State.

That was for use of players at OSU, not recruiting violations. Simple recruting violations are usually against the school 99% of the time.

max venable
03-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Not so. For example, Jim O'Brien was blacklisted for five years and any one considering his hire will have to go through the NCAA Infractions folks. Paul Biancardi was put on a no recruiting ban until fall 2007 before he resigned from Wright State.
right on. You bet it can affect the coach, too. And it should, it only makes sense.

traderumor
03-28-2006, 03:38 PM
That was for use of players at OSU, not recruiting violations. Simple recruting violations are usually against the school 99% of the time.The payment to a potential recruit was a recruiting violation.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 03:42 PM
Here is more info, sounds like OU did the self-imposed thing, like OSU. The case comes up before the NCAA in April (article is from January). Kind of funny how Kelvin bails a few weeks before they face the fire, isn't it? Makes you wonder if OU got word they are going to get nailed by the NCAA.

Here are the self imposed restrictions.



Castiglione said Oklahoma has self-imposed several sanctions on its menís basketball program, including:

A two-year probationary period from July 1, 2005, to June 30, 2007.

Reducing the number of scholarships from 13 to 11 for the 2005-06 academic year and from 13 to 12 for 2006-07.

Reducing the number of permissible phone calls from coaches to recruits.

Reducing off-campus recruiting from July 2005 through the 2005-06 and 2006-07 academic years.

Reducing from 12 to nine the number of paid visits for prospects for 2005-06.

Freezing contract negotiations, salary increases and postseason bonuses for Sampson for a two-year period beginning in 2005.

The article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10712373/

traderumor
03-28-2006, 03:48 PM
Here is more info, sounds like OU did the self-imposed thing, like OSU. The case comes up before the NCAA in April (article is from January). Kind of funny how Kelvin bails a few weeks before they face the fire, isn't it? Makes you wonder if OU got word they are going to get nailed by the NCAA.

Here are the self imposed restrictions.



The article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10712373/

He's bailing faster than Bruce Ismay. Not sure I'd like that if I were an IU supporter.

Johnny Footstool
03-28-2006, 04:18 PM
After some quick research it looks like OU is under NCAA investigation right now for recruiting violations. The sanctions against them are looming, looks like Kelvin is bailing on a mess that he created.

Yep. Calvin broke some windows and is running away.

redsfanmia
03-28-2006, 05:38 PM
He's nuts - lateral move IMO.
Are you being serious or are you just an Indiana hater? To say that Oklahoma is on par with Indiana is just wrong. All you have to do to win at Indiana is to get a majority of the best high school kids from Indiana that cant be said for most other programs. Indiana while not the great program it once was is still a great job and hopefully Coach Sampson will start recruiting and getting the Indiana kids again.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 05:51 PM
Are you being serious or are you just an Indiana hater? To say that Oklahoma is on par with Indiana is just wrong. All you have to do to win at Indiana is to get a majority of the best high school kids from Indiana that cant be said for most other programs. Indiana while not the great program it once was is still a great job and hopefully Coach Sampson will start recruiting and getting the Indiana kids again.

His history of in state recruting at OU is below average at best, he loves JUCO's.

I still don't get this hire for IU, something goofy about this one.

Chip R
03-28-2006, 05:56 PM
His history of in state recruting at OU is below average at best, he loves JUCO's.


Probably cause he had to. He won't have to at IU.

WVRed
03-28-2006, 06:04 PM
Word going around the scout.com message boards has Mike Davis being floated around.

Vitale said earlier that Oklahoma will likely make a run at a big name coach, I just cant see it since they are facing probation.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 06:19 PM
More interesting info.

Everyone is wondering why he'd leave with the great recruiting class he's got coming in. Answer: If any of those calls that violated NCAA rules were places to recruits coming in next year the NCAA can ban them from playing for OU.

I'm not sure on the rule, but IMO they should ban them from playing at IU as well. Punishment should be leveled against the coach rather than school on some of these things.

WVRed
03-28-2006, 06:27 PM
More interesting info.

Everyone is wondering why he'd leave with the great recruiting class he's got coming in. Answer: If any of those calls that violated NCAA rules were places to recruits coming in next year the NCAA can ban them from playing for OU.

I'm not sure on the rule, but IMO they should ban them from playing at IU as well. Punishment should be leveled against the coach rather than school on some of these things.

The recruiting class is ranked 5th in the nation.

Hoosier Red
03-28-2006, 07:43 PM
Everything I've heard about the violations is they are minor stuff, shouldn't bring much baggage with him.
I don't understand the negativity of this hire(not so much here, but in Indiana.)
The only real knock is the lack of success in the NCAA and what I'd like to know is who is a good coach in March. Name one coach that consistently makes runs in the NCAA tournament.

I take Duke off the table because much of their success is based on regular season success and obtaining a number one seed.

Reds4Life
03-28-2006, 07:47 PM
Everything I've heard about the violations is they are minor stuff, shouldn't bring much baggage with him.

Nah, he'll just leave OU holding the bag for the mess he created. The violations can't be too minor, those are some pretty stiff self imposed sanctions. I doubt the NCAA will view them as minor either since there are 17 violations over a 4 year span.

I understand the negativity in Indiana, IU could have done much much better than Sampson.

WVRed
03-28-2006, 09:06 PM
Are you being serious or are you just an Indiana hater? To say that Oklahoma is on par with Indiana is just wrong. All you have to do to win at Indiana is to get a majority of the best high school kids from Indiana that cant be said for most other programs. Indiana while not the great program it once was is still a great job and hopefully Coach Sampson will start recruiting and getting the Indiana kids again.

Indiana is a lot like Kentucky in terms of basketball, except Kentucky hasnt had the development success that Indiana has had in the high school level. Look at the quality of in state talent, and it is just sick.

To think Mike Davis has let talent such as Sean May, Josh McRoberts, Greg Oden, Mike Conley, and Eric Gordon slip away, that tells me that Davis should have been fired a long time ago.

DropDocK
03-28-2006, 09:44 PM
That's quite a surprise. Upon seeing the headline the first Sampson I thought of was Ralph! Not Kelvin. I just want somebody to restore them to the type of program they were, and ought, to be. It's been disappointing watching Indiana the last few years.

Playadlc
03-28-2006, 10:08 PM
Nah, he'll just leave OU holding the bag for the mess he created. The violations can't be too minor, those are some pretty stiff self imposed sanctions. I doubt the NCAA will view them as minor either since there are 17 violations over a 4 year span.

I understand the negativity in Indiana, IU could have done much much better than Sampson.

The charges were too many calls over a 4 year period to 17 recruits. 550 calls over 48 months is 11 calls each month - less than 1 illegal call per month per kid. As in "I called - the kid wasn't home - I called back". The NCAA - in its infinite stupidity and hypocrisy - calls that an "illegal" call.

And I really don't know how much better IU could have done. Sampson can flat coach. I mean, you don't get named national coach of the year twice without knowing something about what you're doing.

IU will now be a consistent top-3 team in the B10.

This Hoosier fan loves the hire.

bucksfan
03-29-2006, 12:00 AM
It seems to me to be a good hire for Indiana as long as Sampson ran a relatively clean ship at OU. It was surprising from the standpoint of not having really considered him for the job, but it seems like a good move for both parties. I cannot believe he'll be carting much baggage or else IU would not have hired him. However they have only had to hire 3 men's bball coches in 35 years so maybe they forgot about the due dilligence type of stuff ;)