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Dunner44
03-29-2006, 11:25 AM
From Marc:

SARASOTA -- One more round of cuts today took out Brian Shackelford, Matt Kata and William Bergolla.

Shack took the news particularly hard, but in the end the trouble he had throwing strikes this spring probably was his undoing.

This round of cuts jibed with my roster projection in today's paper, which was nice, but we've got a long way to go before Monday. I still think something's brewing, but I'm not sure what.

Anyway, just to go on record when I get something wrong, this is my projection as it stands right now (note that Jerry is "99 percent" sure he'll carry 12 pitchers):

Catchers (3) -- LaRue, Valentin, Ross
Infielders (6) -- Aurilia, Encarnacion, Freel, Hatteberg, Lopez, Womack
Outfielders (4) -- Dunn, Griffey, Kearns, McCracken
Pitchers (12) -- Arroyo, Belisle, Burns, Claussen, Coffey, Hammond, Harang, Mercker, Milton, Weathers, White, Williams

No surprises there...

Heath
03-29-2006, 11:26 AM
Options
Options
Options

even money has Shack back in Cincinnati first.

redsmetz
03-29-2006, 11:29 AM
Are they all out of options? I know Kata is, but are Shackleford and Bergolla?

We'll see how the waivers go and see if they choose to stay in the system or go elsewhere. Not sure I care one way or the other.

redsfan30
03-29-2006, 11:29 AM
So are they at 31 now?

flyer85
03-29-2006, 11:30 AM
Are they all out of options? I know Kata is, but are Shackleford and Bergolla?

on the broadcast the other night one of the Reds announcers said Kata still had an option.

Dunner44
03-29-2006, 11:33 AM
They're at 33... but two instaly on the DL, so yeah, 31. If LaRue DLs, which may be smart if they want to keep Ross, then 30. But if LaRue is ready to go, and is healthy, hes worth more than an increased chance to keep Ross.

redsfan30
03-29-2006, 11:37 AM
There's got to be a trade coming.

Has to be.

flyer85
03-29-2006, 11:38 AM
There's got to be a trade coming.

Has to be.or it could simply be some waiver claims. Krivsky when talking with Georgie Boy the other night stated that he expected to see a lot waiver claims this week.

RedsManRick
03-29-2006, 11:45 AM
Do you really think McCracken has the inside track on the 4th OF spot? I don't know much about him defensively, but it seems like Brian Buchanan is the better offensive player and is a few years younger.

McCracken (36) - Switch
Career: .276/.337/.375
ST: .370/.408/.391

Buchanan (33) - Righty
Career: .258/.328/.439
ST: .553/.553/.895 (21/38 with 10 2b & 1 HR)

If they're looking for a defensive replacement and flexibility, I imagine they go with McCracken. If they go with Buck. With Kearns and Freel able to play CF capably, I would hope they'd go with the better bat. My gut tells me McCracken is probably the guy though -- especially if Narron makes the call.

Danny Serafini
03-29-2006, 11:46 AM
Are they all out of options? I know Kata is, but are Shackleford and Bergolla?

We'll see how the waivers go and see if they choose to stay in the system or go elsewhere. Not sure I care one way or the other.

All three have options remaining.

Caveat Emperor
03-29-2006, 11:46 AM
From Marc:

Pitchers (12) -- Arroyo, Belisle, Burns, Claussen, Coffey, Hammond, Harang, Mercker, Milton, Weathers, White, Williams

No surprises there...

I'd have to say that I'd be at least mildly surprised if they send Ryan Wagner to Louisville and take Rick White north with them.

Wagner doesn't seem like he's had a particularly bad spring, all things considered, and when he's on his game he's one of the better bullpen options the Reds have. I have to wonder what else time at AAA would do for him? He's a two pitch pitcher and it's a little late to think about adding any more wrinkles to his game. I guess maybe to let him get more work in and work on throwing strikes.

Who knows what this team is thinking anymore.

traderumor
03-29-2006, 12:03 PM
I remember seeing, perhaps in last night's game thread, that Williams was being sent to extended ST. That didn't make sense at the time, since I don't think sucking is a reason you can elect to do that, but anyone know what's going on there.

And I've already said it, Wagner not making the team is a mistake. Eat some money on White if you have to or get rid of some redundancy (Mercker or Hammond, I'm talking about you) and get some value from a team desperate for some bullpen help that is ready to contend

Caveat Emperor
03-29-2006, 12:16 PM
I remember seeing, perhaps in last night's game thread, that Williams was being sent to extended ST. That didn't make sense at the time, since I don't think sucking is a reason you can elect to do that, but anyone know what's going on there.

Marty made the comment that Dave Williams would not be heading north the with the ballclub for opening day, but would (instead) be staying with the extended spring training group to get extra work in before flying back to Cincinnati before his first scheduled start (whatever day the 5th starter is first needed).

There seems to be a lot of jiggerypoker going on with the roster right now -- extra players being taken north just in case a deal is made, some players being left in Florida even though they've made the roster. Somebody is going to hate their job trying to keep the 25/40 man rosters current on ESPN.com.

redsmetz
03-29-2006, 12:19 PM
There seems to be a lot of jiggerypoker going on with the roster right now -- extra players being taken north just in case a deal is made, some players being left in Florida even though they've made the roster. Somebody is going to hate their job trying to keep the 25/40 man rosters current on ESPN.com.

Or the traveling secretary???? :bang:

traderumor
03-29-2006, 12:21 PM
Marty made the comment that Dave Williams would not be heading north the with the ballclub for opening day, but would (instead) be staying with the extended spring training group to get extra work in before flying back to Cincinnati before his first scheduled start (whatever day the 5th starter is first needed).

There seems to be a lot of jiggerypoker going on with the roster right now -- extra players being taken north just in case a deal is made, some players being left in Florida even though they've made the roster. Somebody is going to hate their job trying to keep the 25/40 man rosters current on ESPN.com.

Ok, thanks for the explanation. That seems odd considering that he could be used out of the pen during that time frame.

Gallen5862
03-29-2006, 12:44 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/transactions
Cincinnati Reds Optioned pitcher Brian Shakelford and infielders William Bergolla and Matt Kata to Louisville of the International League (AAA).
I am glad to see that Kata still had an option.

Dunner44
03-29-2006, 02:43 PM
I'd have to say that I'd be at least mildly surprised if they send Ryan Wagner to Louisville and take Rick White north with them.

Wagner doesn't seem like he's had a particularly bad spring, all things considered, and when he's on his game he's one of the better bullpen options the Reds have. I have to wonder what else time at AAA would do for him? He's a two pitch pitcher and it's a little late to think about adding any more wrinkles to his game. I guess maybe to let him get more work in and work on throwing strikes.

Who knows what this team is thinking anymore.

Sorry, the no surprises there comment was made before I edited the quote. Originally it just said Kata, Bergolla and Shack were optioned. I think it would be a crying shame if Wagner didn't make the roster. You don't need a lot of pitches to close, just some velocity and command and some scrappiness. Ryan fits the bill. White, IMHO, has shown me nothing. Wags was very efficent last night in 2 innings of work.

Kc61
03-29-2006, 06:08 PM
Sorry, the no surprises there comment was made before I edited the quote. Originally it just said Kata, Bergolla and Shack were optioned. I think it would be a crying shame if Wagner didn't make the roster. You don't need a lot of pitches to close, just some velocity and command and some scrappiness. Ryan fits the bill. White, IMHO, has shown me nothing. Wags was very efficent last night in 2 innings of work.

Last spring I too thought Wagner should close. Then came 2005 and his 6.11 ERA. No thanks.

I wouldn't mind seeing Wagner spend two months in AAA developing some consistency, something he has sorely lacked in the major leagues. Even if he makes the Reds he has a lot to prove before he is a closer candidate.

Nugget
03-29-2006, 06:29 PM
Judging by the way they are working him this spring I think they have slotted Wags into the setup role. He seems more comfortable there as well.

I agree with TR that the should get rid of Kullman's mistake and take Wags with them.

As for Williams the reason he is staying behind is not so much for extended ST but to keep him on the same routine, ie to be able to pitch the Saturday before he is required.

Gallen5862
03-29-2006, 11:58 PM
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/content/printer_friendly/mlb/y2006/m03/d29/c1368659.jsp
Notes: Reds narrow down roster
03/29/2006 5:03 PM ET
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

SARASOTA, Fla. -- Almost there.
The latest wave of Reds cuts claimed three more players Wednesday morning, when pitcher Brian Shackelford and infielders Matt Kata and William Bergolla were optioned to Triple-A Louisville.

Cincinnati has 33 players remaining in big league camp. That number dwindles to 30 healthy bodies since pitchers Paul Wilson (shoulder) and Grant Balfour (shoulder/elbow) will start the season on the disabled list. Non-roster outfielder Dewayne Wise (sprained left ankle) also won't be heading north.

These 20 players appeared to be roster locks for Opening Day:

Catchers Jason LaRue and Javier Valentin; infielders Rich Aurilia, Edwin Encarnacion, Ryan Freel, Scott Hatteberg, Felipe Lopez and Tony Womack; outfielders Adam Dunn, Ken Griffey Jr., Austin Kearns; starting pitchers Bronson Arroyo, Brandon Claussen, Aaron Harang, Eric Milton and Dave Williams and relievers Chris Hammond, Kent Mercker, David Weathers and Rick White.

That left 10 players competing for the final five spots on the 25-man roster.

"When it gets down to these last few cuts, it gets very, very difficult," Reds manager Jerry Narron said.

Four pitchers -- Matt Belisle, Mike Burns, Todd Coffey and Ryan Wagner are fighting for what's expected to be three bullpen spots. All four have Minor League options left.

In the sixth inning of Wednesday's 7-6 win over the Devil Rays, Belisle gave up a three-run homer to first batter Ty Wigginton but then recorded two quick outs. Coffey later pitched a scoreless ninth and recorded the save despite allowing a hit and a wild pitch.

Narron is expected to carry 12 pitchers.

"I'm still 99 percent sure it will be 12," Narron said. "(Saying) that gives me a tad of wiggle room."

Catchers David Ross and Dane Sardinha and outfielders Jacob Cruz and Quinton McCracken are leading the fight for the final two roster spots. The decision on whether or not to keep an extra catcher will depend heavily on LaRue's recovery from arthroscopic knee surgery. LaRue contends he'll be ready by Opening Day but he could likely start the season on the disabled list.

Ross -- acquired in a March 21 trade with the Padres -- and Sardinha are out of options. Both would likely be claimed off of waivers by a catching-starved club.

Cruz, the Reds' pinch-hits leader last season with 20, has struggled at the plate during camp while batting .194 (6-for-31). Batting .356 (16-for-45), McCracken appears to have the edge but has been bothered lately by a sore right foot.

Throwing a wrench in the projections are two things -- the potential for a last-minute trade and veteran outfielder Brian Buchanan.

Buchanan, who was not even invited to big league camp, might be enticing for Narron and general manager Wayne Krivsky to consider keeping after he made the most of his chances. He batted an eye-popping .568 (21-for-37) with 13 RBIs in 20 games with Cincinnati this spring.




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More on the cuts: The decision to cut Shackelford came down to control. The lefty posted a 4.50 ERA (six earned runs over 12 innings) in 10 games, but issued seven walks.

"Shackelford was inconsistent this spring, especially at throwing strikes," Narron said. "He did a good job against left-handers this spring. But overall, we would have liked to see a little more consistency. He's got to be able to get right-handers out."

The versatile Kata, who was claimed off waivers from Philadelphia earlier this month, batted just .143 (4-for-28) since joining the Reds. Bergolla missed most of camp with a high groin strain. He didn't play in his first game until Tuesday night.

Sick numbers: Harang, the Reds' Opening Day starter, put a crooked number (5) on the scoreboard for the first time all spring on Wednesday. It happened during the final inning of his final outing.

But Harang certainly had a valid excuse -- he was sick. Before the game, the right-hander said he needed to nap for about an hour to feel better.

Still, Harang looked good for three scoreless innings. After Cincinnati posted four runs during a long bottom of the fifth, Tampa Bay responded with five runs -- four of them charged to Harang. Overall, he gave up five runs on 10 hits. He also walked his first batter of the spring and struck out three.

"I ran out of gas. I was exhausted," said Harang, who still got the win and finished the spring 4-0 with a 2.84 ERA. "I'm getting a bug that's going around. I had a little temperature this morning. I haven't been sleeping the last couple of nights. I wanted to make sure I got my work in."

Harang pronounced himself ready for Monday's opener against the Cubs, but wasn't dwelling on it.

"It probably won't hit me until we get to Cincinnati," he said. "It probably won't hit me until that day."

Coming up: Arroyo will be facing his former club for the first time Thursday when the Reds play the Red Sox at 1:05 p.m. ET at Fort Myers. Knuckleballer Tim Wakefield is scheduled to start for Boston.


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