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max venable
03-31-2006, 05:46 PM
I was reading an article on Askmen.com where they listed their top 10 sports rivalries of all time. Weak list. Very weak.

Here is their top 10 (beginning with #10--followed by my take on each):

10. Red Wings/Avalanche...I agree that it's become a good rivalry but hardly worthy of the top ten, IMO. Not enough tradition.

9. Bears/Packers. That one would have never even crossed my mind if I was making my own top 10 list.

8. Knicks/Heat. Huh? I know they've gone at each other but is it one of sports' greatest rivalries? Hardly.

7. Canadiens/Maple Leafs. I'm not enough of a hockey fan to weigh in on this one. I have no reason to poo-poo this choice, though. I can see how it would be a very intense rivalry.

6. Steelers/Cowboys. Yes...I guess. But for history and tradition...I'd put the Steelers/Browns ahead of this one.

5. Yankees/Red Sox. I'll agree. It's a good one.

4. Redskins/Cowboys. How many intense rivalries can one team (the Cowboys) have? Yes, it's a good rivalry...but there are many others that are way bigger, IMO.

3. Lakers/Celtics. Good one. Not near what it used to be (back in the day). Bird and Magic brought that one to a whole new level. But now...it sure ain't what it used to be.

2. Florida Gators/FSU Seminoles (football). The second greatest rivalry in all of sports? Are you kidding me? It's a good one, to be sure. But #2 on the list? Uh....no.

1. Duke/North Carolina (basketball). Hard to argue. Definately goes in the top 10. Not sure it's number one but it may be close.

To me, a rivalry must include intense hatred on each side. I don't see that in all the choices above.

Here are some that I think are obviously missing:

Dodgers/Giants.

Alabama/Auburn (football)

and the biggest, most intense of all time, IMO, Ohio State/Michigan.

here's (http://www.askmen.com/toys/top_10/6_top_10_list.html)
the link to the article.

Your thoughts?

KronoRed
03-31-2006, 05:54 PM
Army Navy anyone?

Crap list.

vaticanplum
03-31-2006, 06:17 PM
Yeah, all partisanship aside, it's weird that Ohio State-Michigan isn't on there.

It's also totally North American-centric, which I suppose isn't surprising.

Red in Chicago
03-31-2006, 06:20 PM
michigan vs ohio state

cubs/cards?

RedsManRick
03-31-2006, 06:24 PM
Apparently "all-time" means "as of yesterday"

No Harvard/Yale, Amry/Navy, OSU/Michigan

I think a good judge of the extent of a rivalry is -- are people not a fan of either team, or not hardcore fans of the sport, aware of the rivalry? If not, the rivalry isn't a huge deal.

guttle11
03-31-2006, 06:30 PM
Yankees/Red Sox is media driven and contrived these days, and they play 19 times a year. It doesn't count. Not top five.

FWIW, here's mine.

10. Yankees/Red Sox
9. Alabama/Auburn
8. USA/USSR
7. Arnold Palmer/Jack Nicklaus
6. Raiders/Broncos
5. Notre Dame/USC
4. Cowboys/Redskins
3. Army/Navy
2. DePauw/Wabash (DIII, worth looking up)
1. Ohio State/Losers up North.

Obviously, I'm biased, but the OSU/Losers game is it. No sponsorships, no stupid nickname, it's simply THE game. Once a year.

savafan
03-31-2006, 06:54 PM
Piqua/Troy football. Ohio's oldest rivalry, and none better.

guttle11
03-31-2006, 06:55 PM
Piqua/Troy football. Ohio's oldest rivalry, and none better.


That means nothing coming from someone who lives in Miamisburg.

Oooh, another great rivalry.

savafan
03-31-2006, 07:01 PM
That means nothing coming from someone who lives in Miamisburg.

Oooh, another great rivalry.


Born and raised in Piqua. There is no greater rivalry in Ohio high school sports than Piqua vs. Troy.

Blimpie
03-31-2006, 07:05 PM
2. Florida Gators/FSU Seminoles (football). The second greatest rivalry in all of sports? Are you kidding me? It's a good one, to be sure. But #2 on the list? Uh....no.
It may not be # 2 overall, but it is pretty good. Always played as the final game of Florida's regular season--if you lose that one, many times it detracted from what you accomplished over the previous 10-11 games.

A close second for Florida in its football rivalries (some would argue it is #1) would be Georgia. I have to give the nod to UF vs. FSU because of their proximity and overall longevity of solid football excellence.

savafan
03-31-2006, 07:21 PM
Born and raised in Piqua. There is no greater rivalry in Ohio high school sports than Piqua vs. Troy.


Consider that Piqua leads this rivalry 58-57-6


1899 - Troy 17, Piqua 0
1899 - Troy 7, Piqua 5
1900 - Troy 2, Piqua 0
1900 - Troy 5, Piqua 0
1900 - Piqua 26, Troy 0
1901 - Piqua 13, Troy 0
1901 - Piqua 6, Troy 5
1902 - Piqua 23, Troy 6
1903 - Piqua 17, Troy 0
1909 - Troy 17, Piqua 5
1909 - Piqua 5, Troy 0
1911 - Troy 5, Piqua 0
1911 - Piqua 0, Troy 0 (Tie)
1912 - Piqua 32, Troy 12
1912 - Piqua 7, Troy 6
1913 - Troy 18, Piqua 0
1913 - Troy 85, Piqua 0
1914 - Troy 20, Piqua 6
1914 - Troy 14, Piqua 6
1915 - Troy 20, Piqua 14
1915 - Piqua 27, Troy 0
1916 - Troy 13, Piqua 3
1916 - Piqua 0, Troy 0 (Tie)
1917 - Piqua 66, Troy 0
1917 - Piqua 61, Troy 0
1918 - Troy 28, Piqua 6
1918 - Piqua 13, Troy 6
1919 - Troy 21, Piqua 9
1919 - Piqua 19, Troy 6
1920 - Troy 7, Piqua 6
1920 - Troy 19, Piqua 0
1921 - Piqua 21, Troy 0
1921 - Troy 12, Piqua 2
1922 - Troy 13, Piqua 0
1922 - Piqua 7, Troy 6
1923 - Troy 6, Piqua 6 (Tie)
1923 - Troy 13, Piqua 6
1924 - Piqua 7, Troy 6
1924 - Piqua 14, Troy 6
1925 - Piqua 20, Troy 6
1926 - Piqua 25, Troy 0
1927 - Piqua 14, Troy 0
1928 - Troy 13, Piqua 0
1929 - Piqua 21, Troy 6
1930 - Piqua 20, Troy 0
1931 - Piqua 13, Troy 12
1932 - Piqua 9, Troy 6
1933 - Troy 13, Piqua 0
1934 - Piqua 28, Troy 7
1935 - Piqua 0, Troy 0 (Tie)
1936 - Piqua 17, Troy 6
1937 - Piqua 18, Troy 12
1938 - Piqua 6, Troy 0
1939 - Troy 6, Piqua 6 (Tie)
1940 - Piqua 20, Troy 0
1941 - Piqua 13, Troy 7
1942 - Piqua 7, Troy 7 (Tie)
1943 - Piqua 26, Troy 12
1944 - Troy 20, Piqua 6
1945 - Piqua 25, Troy 7
1946 - Troy 12, Piqua 6
1947 - Piqua 40, Troy 6
1948 - Piqua 0, Troy 0 (Tie)
1949 - Troy 20, Piqua 3
1950 - Piqua 38, Troy 12
1951 - Troy 41, Piqua 12
1952 - Piqua 25, Troy 12
1953 - Piqua 6, Troy 0
1954 - Troy 18, Piqua 0
1955 - Troy 48, Piqua 0
1956 - Troy 44, Piqua 0
1957 - Troy 41, Piqua 6
1958 - Piqua 14, Troy 6
1959 - Troy 20, Piqua 10
1960 - Troy 62, Piqua 0
1961 - Troy 12, Piqua 6
1962 - Troy 20, Piqua 10
1963 - Troy 28, Piqua 26
1964 - Piqua 20, Troy 0
1965 - Piqua 28, Troy 16
1966 - Piqua 8, Troy 6
1967 - Piqua 34, Troy 6
1968 - Piqua 38, Troy 20
1969 - Troy 22, Piqua 6
1970 - Troy 54, Piqua 6
1971 - Troy 36, Piqua 6
1972 - Troy 20, Piqua 7
1973 - Piqua 12, Troy 7
1974 - Troy 34, Piqua 6
1975 - Piqua 9, Troy 0
1976 - Troy 27, Piqua 6
1977 - Troy 16, Piqua 6
1978 - Troy 26, Piqua 6
1979 - Troy 28, Piqua 8
1980 - Troy 35, Piqua 8
1981 - Troy 35, Piqua 8
1982 - Piqua 27, Troy 18
1983 - Piqua 9, Troy 6
1984 - Troy 47, Piqua 20
1985 - Troy 26, Piqua 17
1986 - Troy 28, Piqua 24
1987 - Piqua 24, Troy 15
1988 - Troy 39, Piqua 6
1989 - Troy 17, Piqua 14
1990 - Piqua 20, Troy 7
1991 - Piqua 24, Troy 6
1992 - Troy 22, Piqua 7
1992 - Piqua 20, Troy 7***
1993 - Piqua 16, Troy 15
1994 - Piqua 13, Troy 6
1995 - Troy 17, Piqua 14 OT
1996 - Troy 48, Piqua 0
1997 - Troy 28, Piqua 0
1998 - Troy 31, Piqua 14
1999 - Piqua 30, Troy 25
2000 - Troy 24, Piqua 14
2001 - Piqua 28, Troy 0
2002 - Piqua 9, Troy 6
2003 - Piqua 10, Troy 3
2004 - Troy 30, Piqua 7
2005 - Piqua 13, Troy 12

Yachtzee
03-31-2006, 08:12 PM
Born and raised in Piqua. There is no greater rivalry in Ohio high school sports than Piqua vs. Troy.

Massillon-Canton McKinley says "hi." :wave:

Massillon-Canton, Ohio State-Michigan, Browns-Steelers, Bengals-Browns...Paul Brown has been involved in some major football rivalries over the years.

However, my dad was raised in a house on S. Walnut in Troy, built by his grandfather over 100 years ago, so I will give you that Troy-Piqua is pretty big.

vaticanplum
03-31-2006, 08:27 PM
Yankees/Red Sox is media driven and contrived these days, and they play 19 times a year. It doesn't count. Not top five.

I disagree with this. Go to any public place in New York or Boston (or many other places, for that matter), 365 days a year, bring up these teams, and you can be in a fight in five minutes, guaranteed. I don't think it's media-driven at all. It just picks up whenever both teams are good, which has been the case the last few years.

MWM
03-31-2006, 08:31 PM
That's the worst top ten list I've ever seen. It's a joke that OSU/Michigan is not on there and rivlaries that didn't exist a decade ago (Red Wings Avalanche) are. And how is Yankees/Red Sox not #1 or 2. Joke.

westofyou
03-31-2006, 08:34 PM
Askmen.comNever heard of it.

I hate the Avalanche though, but real Red Wing fans hate the Blackhawks the most.

guttle11
03-31-2006, 08:38 PM
I disagree with this. Go to any public place in New York or Boston (or many other places, for that matter), 365 days a year, bring up these teams, and you can be in a fight in five minutes, guaranteed. I don't think it's media-driven at all. It just picks up whenever both teams are good, which has been the case the last few years.

In the minds of those associated with the rivalry, it's probably huge. But the many, many others couldn't care less. ESPN has driven the rivalry to new "heights" by devoting their air-time to it.

Not to mention players like Johnny Damon switching teams. That doesn't happen in great rivalries.

Plus they play 19 times in the regular season. All other great rivalries are played once or twice, tops. That makes the games that much bigger.

Falls City Beer
03-31-2006, 08:44 PM
Though I loathe both teams, how on earth can this list not include the Cubs and Cardinals? That is wack.

UK/UL?

Raiders/Chiefs?

westofyou
03-31-2006, 08:46 PM
But the many, many others couldn't care less.

The Yankees were moved to NYC specifically to compete against the Red Sox, the numerous books and years of actually playing games that matter I got to say you're off the spot on that guess.

Who draws best in all the AL west coast stadiums? The Yankees and Red Sox, hands down, they have the most fans and thus more people care.

Shoot even your list has a don't care for me.

Alabama/Auburn is nothing to most of the country, the whole west coast have rivalrys just like that, one could say USC vs UCLA is a bigger deal as is Cal/Stanford Oregon/Oregon State Washington/Washington State and the Arizona schools.

No one cares about the Raiders/Broncos out here on the west coast, but the Raiders fans hate the Niners and receive it back in aces... now that would be a rivarly if they played regularly.

vaticanplum
03-31-2006, 08:47 PM
In the minds of those associated with the rivalry, it's probably huge. But the many, many others couldn't care less. ESPN has driven the rivalry to new "heights" by devoting their air-time to it.

Not to mention players like Johnny Damon switching teams. That doesn't happen in great rivalries.

Plus they play 19 times in the regular season. All other great rivalries are played once or twice, tops. That makes the games that much bigger.

In all fairness, don't you have to be "associated" with a rivalry to fully understand its hugeness? I could give a flying fig about most of these, but that doesn't mean they're not big rivalries well-known by people who don't care about them (like me). Even people who don't know about baseball know about the Yankees and the Red Sox.

I see your point about the 19 games, but those games are life-and-death.

There's no question that ESPN et al. have gone way overboard the last few years, as they do with everything. But the roots are quite real and a hundred years old. The media has played up the rivalry for their benefit, but they didn't make it up or even exaggerate it -- they just made it a more proportionate part of the national media (given how much media we have these days).

I am now arguing the sincerity of hatred. perhaps it is time for me to go.

Falls City Beer
03-31-2006, 09:09 PM
I am now arguing the sincerity of hatred.


What else is there?

OnBaseMachine
03-31-2006, 09:11 PM
USC vs Notre Dame? The two most storied programs in the country? It should at least be top three.

Sean_CaseyRules
04-01-2006, 05:32 AM
If any of you guys are ever on jjhuddle, look up the thread about Mechanicsburg VS. West Liberty-Salem. From the stand clearing fight in the 80's to last year when WE (Mechanicsburg) ran through the Tiger head because they wouldn't take it down, and they thought we would go around........ And thats only in football, its so bad that Mechanicsburg and WL-S played on Thursday, and the WL-S coaches didn't have enough respect to shake Mechanicsburg's teams hand. And that teaches the kids class......

GAC
04-01-2006, 05:47 AM
For me, it's still Reds-Dodgers. But MLB has done a wonderful job in destroying most rivalries.

And there still is no fondness between the old AFC Central teams/fans. ;)

max venable
04-01-2006, 08:24 AM
For me, it's still Reds-Dodgers. But MLB has done a wonderful job in destroying most rivalries.

And there still is no fondness between the old AFC Central teams/fans. ;)
GAC, you're right, dude...when I was growing up in the 70's the Reds/Dodgers was it!

But sadly, there is no longer a Reds/Dodgers rivalry...at all. :thumbdown :thumbdown

In fact...I don't think the Reds have a huge rivalry with any other team right now. Maybe with the Tribe...but that's really only important to the fans that live in Columbus.

GAC
04-01-2006, 08:35 AM
But sadly, there is no longer a Reds/Dodgers rivalry...at all. :thumbdown :thumbdown

It doesn't mean we still can't hate Dodger blue though. ;)


In fact...I don't think the Reds have a huge rivalry with any other team right now. Maybe with the Tribe...but that's really only important to the fans that live in Columbus.

Currently, with Red fans, and after attending some of the games - I'd say there is a strong dislike for the Cubs. ;)

max venable
04-01-2006, 08:38 AM
It doesn't mean we still can't hate Dodger blue though. ;)



Currently, with Red fans, and after attending some of the games - I'd say there is a strong dislike for the Cubs. ;)
I agree, but I think Cub's fans (and the Cubs organization) couldn't care less about the Reds...hardly a "rivalry."

Blimpie
04-01-2006, 10:39 AM
It doesn't mean we still can't hate Dodger blue though. ;)Three guesses (and the first two don't count) which Little League team just selected my son to play with them for the next two years...Here's a hint: Garvey, Cey, Lopes, etc...all wore the color. :bang:

Because I am an assistant coach on his team, I just recently purchased a (gulp) Dodgers hat. I still can't believe how wrong it feels to wear it.

westofyou
04-01-2006, 10:45 AM
Dodger fans don't even hate the Giants half as much as the Giants fans hate them. But they'd say that the the Giants were their biggest rivals.

Here's a rivalry that missed everyones list

Edmonton Oilers and Calgary Flames - Big Rivals in the NHL west, geographically aside each other without any other events to draw away from the back and forth between the two cities.

Heath
04-01-2006, 10:48 AM
Three guesses (and the first two don't count) which Little League team just selected my son to play with them for the next two years...Here's a hint: Garvey, Cey, Lopes, etc...all wore the color. :bang:

Because I am an assistant coach on his team, I just recently purchased a (gulp) Dodgers hat. I still can't believe how wrong it feels to wear it.

Try a Brooklyn hat. It doesn't feel as dirty.

:D

Johnny Footstool
04-01-2006, 01:41 PM
Kansas/Missouri

The two schools have met 115 times in the oldest football rivalry west of the Mississippi. The W/L split is virtually even.

Hoops - The schools have been at each other since 1907. Kansas leads the all-time series, 163-93. Their first game this year was the first since 1991 in which neither team was ranked.

The rivalry is based on real hatred between the states dating back to bloody border skirmishes prior to and during the Civil War, including Quantrill's Raid on Lawrence in 1863.

vaticanplum
04-01-2006, 08:27 PM
Try a Brooklyn hat. It doesn't feel as dirty.

:D

I have one, and sometimes people mistake it for a Red Sox hate which drives me absolutely bananas.

I feel like I am honoring my ancestors every time I wear it. my ancestors have nothing to do with the Dodgers really, but there's just something about it.

Blimpie: obvs, this does not solve your problem. I wonder if you could get away with it though.

Blimpie
04-01-2006, 09:16 PM
Try a Brooklyn hat. It doesn't feel as dirty.


I have one, and sometimes people mistake it for a Red Sox hate which drives me absolutely bananas.

I feel like I am honoring my ancestors every time I wear it. my ancestors have nothing to do with the Dodgers really, but there's just something about it.

Blimpie: obvs, this does not solve your problem. I wonder if you could get away with it though.Nah...too Spike Lee for me. I'll stick with the LA version I suppose.

RFS62
04-01-2006, 11:09 PM
Matewan vs. Williamson used to be pretty big back in the day