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OnBaseMachine
04-02-2006, 09:47 AM
What?!? Why in the world would they switch Calvin Medlock to the bullpen and keep Steve Kelly and Eddy Valdez in the rotation over him? As for Pelland, I was hoping the Reds would repeat him in Sarasota and give him the chance to dominate that league before moving on to Chattanooga.

Lookouts arriving with new-look team
By David Paschall Staff Writer

The Chattanooga Lookouts will open the 2006 season with familiar pitchers but a new infield from a season ago.

They will have four members of Cincinnati’s 40-man roster — catcher Miguel Perez, first baseman Joey Votto and pitchers Travis Chick and Phil Dumatrait — and three of Baseball America’s top 10 organizational prospects: Perez, Votto and Chick. The Lookouts are aiming to rebound from last season’s 53-83 record, which was the worst since professional baseball returned to Chattanooga in 1976. "We’re looking at a young roster, and it’s a whole new team than last year," Lookouts thirdyear manager Jayhawk Owens said. "We’ve got a lot of young, hungry guys and a lot of our higher prospects. That’s what Double-A is all about, getting some of these young prospects up there and putting the pressure on them."

Lookouts players who drove from spring training in Sarasota, Fla., arrived in Chattanooga on Saturday. Those scheduled to fly into town arrive today. The Lookouts open their Southern League season Thursday night in Jacksonville but play an exhibition game Tuesday night at BellSouth Park against Chattanooga State.

Barring any late changes, the Lookouts will have a starting infield of Votto at first, Javier Colina at second, Anderson Machado at shortstop and Aaron Herr at third. Luis Bolivar is slated to be the utility infielder.

Herr, the son of former St. Louis Cardinals second baseman Tommy Herr, was a first-round draft pick of the Atlanta Braves in 2000 and played at BellSouth in 2004 with Greenville. Machado has appeared in 20 big-league games, one with Philadelphia in 2003 and the rest with the Reds the past two seasons.

"Colina led the Venezuelan Winter League two years ago in hitting and was the MVP of that league," new Reds player development director Johnny Almaraz said. "Machado is 25 and a good defensive player, and we are putting him there to give him some confidence offensively. Herr has hit 20-plus homers in Double-A before."

Last year’s opening-day infield had Jesse Gutierrez at first, Kevin Howard at second, Jeff Bannon at short and Santiago Perez at third. Gutierrez and Bannon are now with Triple-A Louisville. Howard and Perez are in other organizations.

Miguel Perez, Votto and Bolivar each will be making his Double-A debut, though Perez did play 21 Triple-A games last season and two with Cincinnati.

"It will be a challenge with these kids, because they’re going to get beat up a little bit," Owens said. "For the first time in their life, they’re going to experience failure. It’s a long season, and I’ve got to watch them this first month if they start getting down on themselves."

Backing Perez at catcher will be Ryan Hanigan, who was Chattanooga’s most underrated player last year, hitting.321 in 100 games. The projected outfield has returner Norris Hopper in left, Chris Dickerson in center and Eric Crozier in right, with Rick Asadoorian returning as a fourth outfielder.

Javon Moran is scheduled back in Chattanooga once a wrist injury heals, but Junior Ruiz may not play this year after an offseason automobile accident. Each finished with the Lookouts a year ago.

Dickerson, a cousin of NFL Hall of Fame running back Eric Dickerson, is rated by Baseball America as the organization’s best athlete. He hit just.236 in 119 games last season with high Single-A Sarasota.

"He’s one we’re going to have to watch closely," Owens said. "It’s going to be a big jump for him. Hopefully he can keep his head above water."

The projected rotation consists of Chick, Dumatrait, Steve Kelly, Tyler Pelland and Eddy Valdez. Chick, Dumatrait and Valdez were with Chattanooga last season, while Kelly went 12-7 with a 2.96 ERA two years ago with the Lookouts, tying for the Southern League lead in wins and earning an invitation to the league’s all-star game.

Highlighting the bullpen will be Calvin Medlock, who went 6-3 with a 3.06 ERA in 17 starts with Sarasota last year and was named Reds minor league pitcher of the year. David Shafer, who made 34 appearances with the Lookouts last season and notched six saves, is expected to get the first crack at closer.

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dougdirt
04-02-2006, 09:48 AM
I just read that article myself and was just as baffled, and came here to post it to see if anyone knew what the heck for....but you beat me to it by about 3 minutes.

Kc61
04-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Medlock is not a big guy. Perhaps this is the reason the Reds think his future is in the bullpen.

Interesting that Reds are being aggressive with Votto and Pelland by moving them up to AA after so-so High A seasons. On the other hand, not great for Steve Kelly that he is back at AA.

NewEraReds
04-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Medlock is the most over rated prospect i have ever seen on here by reds fans. i got to watch him his entire year in dayton. hes a decent pitcher, but isnt great. i never thought he would be a starter if he made it to the bigs and thought he would be a long reliever or specialists.

ochre
04-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Yep. Performance doesn't matter at all. Give me a guy that looks the part every day.

tbball10
04-02-2006, 01:04 PM
i think medlock should be a starter until his numbers force him to the bullpen. especially with our history developing starting pitching, we finally get a guy who has success and we move him to the bullpen. it makes no sense to move a guy with his track record to the pen. as for pelland, although i was hoping he would start the year in sarasota, but i am wishfully thinking he will handle AA. what does this make the sarasota rotation look like? homer bailey, sam lecure, james avery, jeff stevens, and camilio vazquez??

OnBaseMachine
04-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Medlock is the most over rated prospect i have ever seen on here by reds fans. i got to watch him his entire year in dayton. hes a decent pitcher, but isnt great. i never thought he would be a starter if he made it to the bigs and thought he would be a long reliever or specialists.

Calvin Medlock overrated? Nope. Underrated? Yes.

2005-1.08 WHIP, 3.06 ERA, 7.87 h/9, 0.50 hr/9, 1.82 bb/9, 8.12 k/9.

Career-1.14 WHIP, 3.28 ERA, 7.89 h/9, 0.64 hr/9, 2.35 bb/9, 9.19 k/9.

I would rank him as one of our top 5 pitching prospects.

TRF
04-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Pelland at AA

Just like I thought.

Just like I feared.

MartyFan
04-02-2006, 01:47 PM
I don't know, I have never seen him pitch but I am curious if they think he has the ability to be a "Lights Out" closer?

TRF
04-02-2006, 01:56 PM
I don't know, I have never seen him pitch but I am curious if they think he has the ability to be a "Lights Out" closer?

except he's in the rotation.

jmcclain19
04-02-2006, 02:07 PM
Every scouting report I've every read on Medlock has stated that the guy simply isn't a major league starter, but could be a solid reliever.

Perhaps the team just wants to fast forward to where he is most valuable so he can move up the system.

ochre
04-02-2006, 02:11 PM
Because he's short JM. That's all they got.

Mario-Rijo
04-02-2006, 02:21 PM
After perusing thee affiliates rosters I can see what the FO is up too. They are all better teams than overall last year. The attendance figures from the Bats & Dragons especially should be quite high all season. Gotta make those teams competitive if we want to bring in the $$$ to help improve the foundation. This is why we brought in the Sanchez's, Ross's & Long's of the world, plus it will help these youngsters down the road to have some recent experience in playing in meaningfull games. I like the idea. Now if we can each just go to a couple of extra games at the big league level this year we might actually help this FO get there quicker than maybe even they expect too.

:beerme:

jmcclain19
04-02-2006, 02:35 PM
Because he's short JM. That's all they got.

oh I hear you. And I think the guy was the Reds best starter last year.

But what if they move him to the pen with the thought of moving him up to Cincy in Sept after Merker/Hammond/White/Weathers get sent packing?

Just a thought

ochre
04-02-2006, 02:39 PM
oh I hear you. And I think the guy was the Reds best starter last year.

But what if they move him to the pen with the thought of moving him up to Cincy in Sept after Merker/Hammond/White/Weathers get sent packing?

Just a thought
I suppose that's possible. I just prefer to develop starters until they absolutely prove that they can't start. Basham would have been an excellent choice for what you are suggesting by the way...

I guess you can never have enough catching :)

jmcclain19
04-02-2006, 02:57 PM
I suppose that's possible. I just prefer to develop starters until they absolutely prove that they can't start. Basham would have been an excellent choice for what you are suggesting by the way...

I guess you can never have enough catching :)

I fully agree with you. And I'm trying to understand this move - just the reasoning is the only thing I can think of that would make sense why to do this.

It's more the hope that the new front office staff know what they are doing than anything else, frankly.

Aronchis
04-02-2006, 04:02 PM
I wonder how Medlock will take the demotion(what it is essentially)? They are basically telling him he can't be a starter in this league.

Doc. Scott
04-02-2006, 04:23 PM
Even nuttier than Pelland at AA is Steve Kelly back at AA after he earned his way to AAA last year (getting hurt after half a season). Wayne and the new team must have been thoroughly unimpressed.

If Medlock pitches well enough, he'll get another starting chance. But until the Reds get better at developing pitchers and teaching and refining secondary pitches, they're going to be producing the same kinds of pitchers they've been producing for decades: relievers with one or maybe two good pitches. The true line between an organization like Los Angeles or Atlanta that knows what they're doing is whether or not their system alumni are taking the ball every fifth day.

Relievers are useful, sure, but I want to see pitchers come out of our system that can hang in a major-league starting rotation. We've been acquiring our starters from other clubs since the 1970s (the talented ones we draft ourselves end up flaming out- see Don Gullett, Gary Nolan, Ty Howington, Jack Armstrong, et al.). There is nothing I would like to see more than a contending team that doesn't need a Nasty Boys or a Captain Hook to win.

Relief conversions are for scrap-heap acquisitions like Jason Standridge or injury comebacks like Bobby Basham, not fully healthy young guys coming off good starting seasons at an age-appropriate level like Calvin Medlock. Bad idea. Why didn't the Reds give Medlock a chance in AA by pushing Kelly back to AAA or releasing Eddy Valdez (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/V/edward-valdez.shtml), who's 26 and has never not been a human batting tee above High-A (or been at a level where he's not 2-4 years older than the prospects)? The upside is much greater.

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy to say, "Medlock projects to a middle reliever in the major leagues because he's only 5'10" and doesn't throw 95 mph, so we need to put him in that role to prepare him for it." Then when Medlock produces middle-reliever results, they say, "Well, see, I told you. He's a decent middle reliever. Weren't we smart?"

It's not as if the Reds are the only club that do it, but there needs to be a little more meritocracy on the part of the Baseball Men running these systems.

M2
04-02-2006, 06:52 PM
How do I give a neg to Johnny Almaraz?

Ravenlord
04-02-2006, 06:55 PM
How do I give a neg to Johnny Almaraz?
e-mail?

M2
04-02-2006, 07:14 PM
e-mail?

But will that affect his reputation score?

Ravenlord
04-02-2006, 07:16 PM
But will that affect his reputation score?
it would if you attach certain 'programs' to it.:evil:

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-02-2006, 07:24 PM
Oh, I'm RIGHT HERE, Poindexters!

I'll stick Calvin Medlock on dish duty and overpromote Tyler Pelland because he's projectable, and I could give a crap about you guys that read the stupid book Billy Beane wrote!

When I get out of baseball, I'm going to open a Gentry franchise and sell pants!

So stick that in your pitch count and smoke it!

KronoRed
04-02-2006, 07:32 PM
Hey Johnny! :D

Aronchis
04-02-2006, 07:33 PM
JA spitting fire lol!!!:beerme:

M2
04-04-2006, 04:41 PM
Oh, I'm RIGHT HERE, Poindexters!

I'll stick Calvin Medlock on dish duty and overpromote Tyler Pelland because he's projectable, and I could give a crap about you guys that read the stupid book Billy Beane wrote!

When I get out of baseball, I'm going to open a Gentry franchise and sell pants!

So stick that in your pitch count and smoke it!

Hey Johnny, how does Mark Schramek look in chinos? Because he don't look so good on a ballfield.

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-04-2006, 04:57 PM
Hey Johnny, how does Mark Schramek look in chinos? Because he don't look so good on a ballfield.

Splendid, Bob. I sometimes wonder what that crazy Yoda guy you have around here- you know, the guy who never uses periods- is thinking. He thinks we can pitch Schramek! Not to mention Janish and Perez, too! Are you kidding? Do you want to get them injured? They're much more likely to stay healthy if they stay off the mound.

First-round draft choices deserve infinite chances because they're favored by God above. Don't you know that? Now, why don't you put yourselves to use and help us find that blasted Gonzalez kid already?

BRM
04-04-2006, 04:58 PM
Yep. Performance doesn't matter at all. Give me a guy that looks the part every day.

Priceless. :)

rdiersin
04-04-2006, 05:05 PM
Not to mention Janish and Perez, too! Are you kidding? Do you want to get them injured? They're much more likely to stay healthy if they stay off the mound.


That worked out well last year for Janish.;)

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-04-2006, 05:11 PM
That worked out well last year for Janish.;)

He and Tatum were doing their John Oliver impressions after lights out and they both tripped over the infield tarp! What else could it have been? (At least they hit SOMETHING, not that we care.) I tried to tell Tim Naehring to keep watch over those two jokers, but Janish went to Rice and keeps outwitting our security guards. Tim can't be everywhere at once when he's busy trying to measure everyone's hair length!

rdiersin
04-04-2006, 05:15 PM
He and Tatum were doing their John Oliver impressions after lights out and they both tripped over the infield tarp! What else could it have been? (At least they hit SOMETHING, not that we care.) I tried to tell Tim Naehring to keep watch over those two jokers, but Janish went to Rice and keeps outwitting our security guards. Tim can't be everywhere at once when he's busy trying to measure everyone's hair length!

:laugh: That explains it. So why were Roa and Buck jettisoned?

M2
04-04-2006, 05:36 PM
Tim can't be everywhere at once when he's busy trying to measure everyone's hair length!

Speaking of which, how much of the human body is covered by team grooming regulations?

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-04-2006, 06:55 PM
Speaking of which, how much of the human body is covered by team grooming regulations?

I think Kullman once said it was 87.12%, but who knows without him here?

I stick to radar gun readings and times to first base. Two significant digits or less is where I draw the line.


That explains it. So why were Roa and Buck jettisoned?

Roa? Buck? You're full of it, Skolnick. Joe Roa has never pitched for the Reds, and Mr. Buchanan's still in the organization in Louisville. I mean, duh.

ochre
04-04-2006, 07:00 PM
ooooooh.

He called you:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Nerd.jpg

Doc. Scott
04-04-2006, 07:05 PM
Man, Mr. Almaraz... toolsy today.

KronoRed
04-04-2006, 07:08 PM
Speaking of which, how much of the human body is covered by team grooming regulations?All grooming? :eek:

M2
04-05-2006, 11:53 AM
I think Kullman once said it was 87.12%, but who knows without him here?

So is it then true that your Pioneer League affiliate intends to change its name to the Billings Brazilians?

RedsManRick
04-05-2006, 12:37 PM
Maybe it's just me, but a 23 year old dominated high A ball doesn't knock my socks off. I love his numbers, but let's see him do against some guys his own age before we put too much value in his stock.

ochre
04-05-2006, 01:01 PM
Compare Pelland and Medlock. Medlock's 11 months older. They were both drafted the same year. They've followed similar progressions, with Medlock advancing slightly quicker. Medlock has generally better (but very similar) rate stats, particularly in k/bb. Medlock was drafted out of junior college in the 39th round, where as Pelland was taken out of High School in the 9th. They are nearly the same height, but Pelland's a lefty. I see no clear reason as to why they shouldn't be viewed as equal prospects based on their actual performances.

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-05-2006, 01:44 PM
So is it then true that your Pioneer League affiliate intends to change its name to the Billings Brazilians?

Hey, I would have signed off on that... but their marketing guy/GM/janitor/ticket taker said that if the name doesn't make some sort of reference to meat and/or animals, the fans would assume the team was a bunch of il-LEGAL fer'ners and wouldn't show up to games.

Naehring grooms himself like he's an Olympic swimmer. It does creep Griesser and I out more than a little.

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-05-2006, 01:45 PM
Compare Pelland and Medlock. Medlock's 11 months older. They were both drafted the same year. They've followed similar progressions, with Medlock advancing slightly quicker. Medlock has generally better (but very similar) rate stats, particularly in k/bb. Medlock was drafted out of junior college in the 39th round, where as Pelland was taken out of High School in the 9th. They are nearly the same height, but Pelland's a lefty. I see no clear reason as to why they shouldn't be viewed as equal prospects based on their actual performances.

That's why I do what I do and you're sitting in your underwear with Dorito stains on your shirt.

ochre
04-05-2006, 01:54 PM
That's why I do what I do and you're sitting in your underwear with Dorito stains on your shirt.
What makes you think I'm wearing a shirt?

So you think Medlock will be effective as a catcher then?

JohnnyAlmaraz
04-06-2006, 11:38 AM
What makes you think I'm wearing a shirt?

So you think Medlock will be effective as a catcher then?

Good point.

Look, when you're shorter than six feet, you're not good for much. And we do need bullpen catchers. Mike Stefanski is a true veteran who Knows How to Play the Game.