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alex trevino
04-02-2006, 12:50 PM
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/GB/9350172


Packers not pressuring Favre for decision

NFL.com wire reports

(March 31, 2006) -- The Green Bay Packers aren't pressuring Brett Favre to make a retirement decision by the April 1 due date for a $3 million roster bonus. And even if they were, the quarterback doesn't think he owes the team a decision this weekend anyway.

In his most recent comments about his murky football future, Favre made one thing clear: If he does return, he told a newspaper in his native Mississippi there is "no doubt" it will be his last season.

Favre's retirement saga has turned into pro football's version of Groundhog Day, as fans and the media try to predict the future based upon brief public glimpses of the iconic QB during the winter.

The April 1 bonus due date recently has been interpreted as a deadline from the team's management for Favre to make a decision. But Favre doesn't seem inclined to meet it, and the Packers aren't going to hold him to it.

"If I don't tell them by Saturday, what will they do, cut me?" Favre told the Sun Herald in Gulfport, Miss.

Packers general manager Ted Thompson already has moved the roster bonus deadline back to accommodate his star quarterback, and he seems willing to do so again.

"No, it never has been (a deadline)," Thompson told The Associated Press. "It's just another date in the spring."

Thompson, who has remained in contact with Favre during the offseason, said he hasn't heard anything that would indicate a decision is imminent.

"We've talked to Brett and (wife) Deanna, and I've said all along that they'll decide when they decide," Thompson said.

Favre said he wants to play again but will return only if the Packers can assemble a winning team.

"Last season, expectations were high and it was a bad situation," Favre said of the team's 4-12 season, his only losing one in Green Bay. "If we can't compete at a high level, I can walk away and my legacy will speak for itself."

Thompson said Favre's unclear future isn't having a negative effect on the team's preparations for next season. But the sooner Favre decides, the better.

"It's OK now," Thompson said. "I think everybody would like to know. I think Brett would like to know."

The Packers did not pursue experienced quarterbacks such as Aaron Brooks and Brian Griese in free agency, but Thompson said that was not an indication that the Packers are assuming Favre will return.

Aaron Rodgers, the team's first-round draft pick last season, is presumed to be in line to take over the starting role if Favre retires. But Thompson said the team would look to add a more experienced quarterback, possibly through a trade, if Favre does retire.

"Obviously, with Brett not in the equation, we might have to add another type of player," Thompson said.

But Thompson hopes it doesn't come to that.

Favre, who was in Gulfport, Miss., to award grants to help youth football groups rebuild after Hurricane Katrina, said he has been talking to the team for the past month and there are things that both parties have to sort out.

"If they don't come together, I guess I won't play," Favre said. "I don't know if my decision will be made by Saturday (April 1)."

Favre said some days he wants to play and other days he wants to retire. Knowing he can still compete at a high level is making the decision tough, he said.

StillFunkyB
04-02-2006, 12:54 PM
Absolutely.

However, I can see where he is coming from. He can still play, but his team never gives him any weapons to use. That cannon for a right arm only goes so far.

redsfanmia
04-02-2006, 01:05 PM
I am as tired of Farve as I am of the Clemmons saga, blank or get off the pot.

redsfan30
04-02-2006, 01:57 PM
I am as tired of Farve as I am of the Clemmons saga, blank or get off the pot.
Could not have said it any better. You're famous enough, there's no reason to drag this out more just to have your name mentioned.

Anyone who doesn't think these two already know (and probably have known for quite some time) are fooling yourselves. They know, they're just dragging it out and I don't think that's right.

captainmorgan07
04-02-2006, 04:23 PM
clemmons and farve do not play this season the packers have done notting in the off season javon walker wants out the astros are gettin older not younger

Blimpie
04-02-2006, 04:26 PM
Go towards the light, Brett...go towards the light.

savafan
04-02-2006, 04:41 PM
The Packers should trade Favre to the Ravens or Jets. Let Aaron Rodgers start his career now. Let the young Packers grow as a team, and give Favre his shot at winning one more somewhere else.

TeamBoone
04-02-2006, 07:14 PM
Anyone who doesn't think these two already know (and probably have known for quite some time) are fooling yourselves. They know, they're just dragging it out and I don't think that's right.

Oh come on. You have no way of knowing this!

These types of decisions have to be very difficult for the individuals involved. I know it's difficult for "normal/everyday" people to make the decision; why should it be any different for an athlete?

That said, the first baseball game of the 2006 season is being played tonight... IMHO, Roger Clemmons should have made his decision before the season started, not only for him self, but for his team. They can not move ahead until he ****'s or gets off the pot. IMHO, this is selfish.

SeeinRed
04-02-2006, 11:08 PM
There is more to this than meets the eye. First off, Brett would never play for another team, its the Packers or nobody. Secondly, Brett may have a better idea now, but he was waiting to see what the Packers did as far as player movement. Things could still be done, but i doubt it.

At the very least, Brett has earned the luxury of having time to make this decision. Its not like the Packers have to rush and get a QB if Favre retired. They have their future QB ready to go, and Favre won't wait until its to late for Rodgers to take over. He will give the organization enough time to prepare.

Retiring when you have something left in your tank is not easy for an athelete to do. This is a very tough decision for Brett. If the Packers aren't pushing him, I see no reason for anyone else to.

Blimpie
04-03-2006, 10:08 AM
Did anyone hear Mark Chumura's comments about Brett Favre yesterday? Sounds like Brett won't be invited to any of Chumura's hot tub parties in the future...:nono:

Jaycint
04-03-2006, 10:14 AM
I'm not so much sick of Favre and Clemens as I am of the media pounding it down my throat all the time. I could care less if Favre waited until the day before the season started to make a decision, just let Tom Jackson or Chris Berman tell me that Sunday morning. I don't need an update twice a week starting in March.

kbrake
04-04-2006, 04:34 PM
Big difference between Clemens and Favre, Clemens can still play.

SeeinRed
04-04-2006, 04:47 PM
Big difference between Clemens and Favre, Clemens can still play.

That is not even close to true. Favre can still play at a high enough level to lead a team to the playoffs and I would say even a Super Bowl, given he has the talent around him. You are basing this on the season he had last year, but last year he had nobody around him to support him. Injuries devestated the team along with the simple fact that the Packers were and are in a rebuilding mode right now. You put Peyton Manning in that situation, and he still couldn't win. The success of a QB is often determined by the talent he has around him.

I already know you are going to come back with how many interceptions he had last year, but you need to think about these facts:

1. A good reciever can prevent interceptions.
2. A QB has to have time to make a decision. The O-line just wasn't there for him.
3. Lack of a consistent RB and a poor O-Line forces the QB to make plays. More often than not, when you HAVE to make plays, you make more bad decisions.

Give Favre the team around him, you'll see a great QB again.

Matt700wlw
04-04-2006, 05:43 PM
Favre needs to make a decision. I'm a fan of his, but he is hurting his stalling like this.

kbrake
04-04-2006, 06:53 PM
You have to be kidding me. When I say Favre is done I am not basing it on last year alone. More like the last 4 years. Favre should have retired the night he cost his team the season in the playoffs, in Philadelphia. I or anyone else on here could have picked off the gimme he threw to Brian Dawkins.

Throughout his career Favre has always tried to play outside of his skills, sometimes it makes him look great, but more recently, because of his age and declining skills it has made him look terrible. I know he didnt have much help last year, but he has in years past and Brett has always had to be the guy that tried to squeeze the ball in between 3 defenders in the secondary. It is over for Brett and has been for awhile, the longer he plays the more of a joke this will become.

SeeinRed
04-05-2006, 12:28 AM
You have to be kidding me. When I say Favre is done I am not basing it on last year alone. More like the last 4 years. Favre should have retired the night he cost his team the season in the playoffs, in Philadelphia. I or anyone else on here could have picked off the gimme he threw to Brian Dawkins.

Throughout his career Favre has always tried to play outside of his skills, sometimes it makes him look great, but more recently, because of his age and declining skills it has made him look terrible. I know he didnt have much help last year, but he has in years past and Brett has always had to be the guy that tried to squeeze the ball in between 3 defenders in the secondary. It is over for Brett and has been for awhile, the longer he plays the more of a joke this will become.Years 2001-2004
Comp. % Yards TD INT Rating

2001 61.6 3921 32 15 94.1

2002 61.9 3658 27 16 85.6

2003 65.4 3361 32 21 90.4

2004 64.1 4088 30 17 92.4

Those stats are VERY respectable. Compare them with his career averages or 61.5% Completions, 3829.6 Yards, 28 TD, 18 INT, and a career 86.0 Rating. Now unless your going to argue with me that he has not had a Hall of Fame career, then your statements are without reason. You say you don't base them on one year, but then turn around and base them on one game. What is the reasoning behind that? Not only that, but the game you are talking about is a PLAYOFF game. That means Brett got them to the playoffs. You are confusing personal opinion with facts. The fact is that Brett has led a Hall of Fame career, and his numbers did not fall off until last year, when the team was in complete disarray, and to say the team wasn't a mess last year is just ignorant. (not saying you did) Every other year Favre has had quality players around him.

creek14
04-05-2006, 08:21 AM
I'm just glad he has been able to overcome that sensitive teeth issue.

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 10:47 AM
I'm just glad he has been able to overcome that sensitive teeth issue.As a former Vicodin fan, I'm sure that dental hygene wasn't always a priority to Brett...(dodges rotten tomatoes)

KronoRed
04-05-2006, 02:33 PM
Dear Bret

Please Retire.

Love, other NFC teams.

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 04:06 PM
Dear Bret

Please Retire.

Love, other NFC teams.Dear Bret:

Please ignore Krono and return to Green Bay for one more 25+ interception year.


Kisses,

All NFC Central Defensive Backs in their free agent "walk years"


P.S. Go Gators!

KronoRed
04-05-2006, 04:57 PM
Go Gators!
Word.

kbrake
04-05-2006, 06:49 PM
Years 2001-2004
Comp. % Yards TD INT Rating

2001 61.6 3921 32 15 94.1

2002 61.9 3658 27 16 85.6

2003 65.4 3361 32 21 90.4

2004 64.1 4088 30 17 92.4

Those stats are VERY respectable. Compare them with his career averages or 61.5% Completions, 3829.6 Yards, 28 TD, 18 INT, and a career 86.0 Rating. Now unless your going to argue with me that he has not had a Hall of Fame career, then your statements are without reason. You say you don't base them on one year, but then turn around and base them on one game. What is the reasoning behind that? Not only that, but the game you are talking about is a PLAYOFF game. That means Brett got them to the playoffs. You are confusing personal opinion with facts. The fact is that Brett has led a Hall of Fame career, and his numbers did not fall off until last year, when the team was in complete disarray, and to say the team wasn't a mess last year is just ignorant. (not saying you did) Every other year Favre has had quality players around him.

Thats part of the problem with Favre supporters. When Green Bay makes the playoffs he got them there. When Green Bay wins 4 games he has no talent around him. And it is really not just that one playoff game, its every big game he has played in since then. He continues to try and be the hero everytime and you cant be a great NFL quaterback like that, at least not at his age and in this era. He has an ego problem and is showing now more then ever what a fraud he is. Calling Walker out last year and others in the past for not showing up for camp on time and now he is putting the Packers front office and his teammates in a real tight situation. I know I sound real bitter, I just get sick of the free pass Favre gets. If Brady or any other QB outside of maybe Peyton Manning made some of the dumb plays Favre gets they would get ripped by everyone.

SeeinRed
04-05-2006, 07:33 PM
Thats part of the problem with Favre supporters. When Green Bay makes the playoffs he got them there. When Green Bay wins 4 games he has no talent around him. And it is really not just that one playoff game, its every big game he has played in since then. He continues to try and be the hero everytime and you cant be a great NFL quaterback like that, at least not at his age and in this era. He has an ego problem and is showing now more then ever what a fraud he is. Calling Walker out last year and others in the past for not showing up for camp on time and now he is putting the Packers front office and his teammates in a real tight situation. I know I sound real bitter, I just get sick of the free pass Favre gets. If Brady or any other QB outside of maybe Peyton Manning made some of the dumb plays Favre gets they would get ripped by everyone.


How can you argue that Favre had no talent around him last year. Every year the Packers have made the playoffs, they had players around Favre to make plays. That is the case for any QB in the league. Brady didn't single handedly take the Patriots to the playoffs, neither did Peyton Manning, and neither did Favre. I will give you that, but each of those QB's led them there. Without the talent around them, a QB can only do so much. I'm not saying Favre was the only reason that the Packers made the Playoffs, but he is definately a big reason. The QB is the leader of the team after all. As far as trying to make too many big plays, that how he got to where he is. The only difference is like I said before, he doesn't have the talent at the other end of the plays to complete them. You don't get 90+ QB ratings by accident. If he was really making too many bad plays, it would have shown in his stats. You can say they just came at bad times, thats fine, but that doesn't make him a fraud!

How is he putting the Packers in a tight spot? They are not pushing him because they know they have a QB ready to go if Favre decides he doesn't want to come back. Your being kidding yourself if you think that the Packers aren't preparing as if he is not coming back. Rodgers will be ready if Favre retires. Favre has every right to call out players who don't show up for camps. He is the leader of the team, a veteran, and has never missed a camp. He has put his time in.

I have never seen Favre get a free pass that any other QB of his caliber haven't gotten. He is ripped all of the time for his play. I hear it because I root for Favre, just like you don't because you don't root for him. Its all about perspective. I'm not ignorant enough to say he dosen't get a lot of support, I know thats not true. I just don't think its enough because I think he should get more, just like you don't hear enough criticism. If you think Tom Brady doesn't recieve the same support as Favre, and gets just as many "free passes," you're kidding yourself again.

kbrake
04-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Tom Brady is getting there with the free passes thing. However he is still playing at a caliber that Favre quit playing at long ago. There is not an announcer on ESPN that would not sleep with Favre. Its like Vitale and Duke, its disgusting. Just out of curiousity where would you rank Favre among active QB's I dont need stats and everything, but if you had a team for one season how many QB's would you take in front of Favre?

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 09:51 PM
Tom Brady is getting there with the free passes thing. However he is still playing at a caliber that Favre quit playing at long ago. There is not an announcer on ESPN that would not sleep with Favre. Its like Vitale and Duke, its disgusting. Just out of curiousity where would you rank Favre among active QB's I dont need stats and everything, but if you had a team for one season how many QB's would you take in front of Favre?I think the announcers fawning over Favre all began with Madden many years ago. The whole "gun slinger" mantra got old very, very fast for me.

If you are asking about current QBs I would take over a current Favre, it would be about 1/3 of the league--no exaggeration. He simply gives his opponents more scoring opportunities at this point than he does the Packers.

kbrake
04-05-2006, 10:07 PM
His games on Sunday nights on ESPN were the worst. Maguire and Theisman worshiping Favre sounded like a couple Redzoners worshiping Dunn. It can pretty damn scary from time to time. Especially when Theisman was talking of Favre in a way that only Creek talks of Dunn.

SeeinRed
04-06-2006, 01:28 AM
Tom Brady is getting there with the free passes thing. However he is still playing at a caliber that Favre quit playing at long ago. There is not an announcer on ESPN that would not sleep with Favre. Its like Vitale and Duke, its disgusting. Just out of curiousity where would you rank Favre among active QB's I dont need stats and everything, but if you had a team for one season how many QB's would you take in front of Favre?

First off, what you said about annoucers on ESPN that would sleep with Favre, :laugh: that is the best laugh i've had in a while. Thats just classic. Secondly, before this goes to far, just so you know kbrake, I have no beef with you, I just enjoy debating, and I hope you take nothing I have said personal. I respect your opinion, and know mine is no more important than yours. Thanks for being such a good sport, and your staying away from personal attacks speaks to your character. Cheers:beerme:

Back to the topic at hand. If I had a team, the QB I chose would depend on the makeup of the team. But that really doesn't answer the question as to wether Favre should play anymore. The situation the Packers are in is the most important part. Bret still has some average years left in him. You don't know what you have with Rodgers. I would take Bret over Rodgers right now, if your talking purely about talent, and a better chance to win. However, the Packers are clearly in a rebuilding mode. If your going to rebuild, you might as well fully commit to it. I think Bret sees that the Packers are rebuilding, and he will do the right thing and step aside. That doesn't however take away from the fact that the Packers at least owe him the chance to come back for another season if he so chooses after all Bret has done for them. I don't see his decision taking too much longer, seeing that the Packers aren't going to do much more in the way of player movement, which is what Bret was waiting for. I anticipate him retiring, but who really knows? The hardest thing for a player seems to be retiring after a poor season. He won't hurt the organization by waiting too long to make a decision, I would bet everything I own on that.

kbrake
04-06-2006, 07:37 AM
First off, what you said about annoucers on ESPN that would sleep with Favre, :laugh: that is the best laugh i've had in a while. Thats just classic. Secondly, before this goes to far, just so you know kbrake, I have no beef with you, I just enjoy debating, and I hope you take nothing I have said personal. I respect your opinion, and know mine is no more important than yours. Thanks for being such a good sport, and your staying away from personal attacks speaks to your character. Cheers:beerme:

Could not have said it any better. I have taken nothing personal and have really enjoyed this conversation.

Dom Heffner
04-08-2006, 11:52 AM
Hey, Brett: thanks for the advice about worrying about baseball instead of this continuing soap opera, but I can multi-task and care about both. Make up your mind already! And don't call a press conference to say you still don't know!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5484602

Chip R
04-08-2006, 10:12 PM
Favre is starting to make Hamlet look decisive.

SeeinRed
04-25-2006, 11:40 PM
The "Saga" is over, Favre will play next year. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2421947

KronoRed
04-26-2006, 02:32 AM
I'm shocked

;)

WMR
04-26-2006, 02:53 AM
I think he'll regret this decision. The team isn't much better at all, and last year they were pretty crappy. The other teams in the division have all improved; some more than others.

I think Brett will get smacked around pretty good this year considering who he's got protecting his back.

The gunslinger returns.........

Sabo Fan
04-26-2006, 08:09 AM
I'm eagerly awaiting the whine fest that will ensue once Javon Walker is dealt away and Favre loses his best weapon. If he complained about the Packers not being active this offseason in free agency you can bet he's going to throw one of his little hissy-fits when his buddy Javon gets shipped out, maybe as soon as this weekend.

Oh, and I like the timing of this announcement. The national sports media hadn't talked about him much in the last week and were all gearing up for the draft and then he goes and makes his little announcement. Funny how that spotlight had been shining elsewhere.

LincolnparkRed
04-26-2006, 11:59 AM
he has definitely mastered the art of media manipulation. I personally feel that he should ride off into the sunset but I am sure that will be at least 10 or 12 press conferences from now. I imagine the NFC central is getting excited already just dreaming of 5 INT days saying that Brett hasn't sniffed an important game in a few years.

Chip R
04-26-2006, 12:22 PM
Just think, we'll have to go through this whole thing again next year. :thumbdown