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reds44
04-03-2006, 06:51 PM
The Good:
Tony Womack and Scott Hatteberg

The Bad:
The pitching

The Ugly:
Adam Dunn's fielding

Haha don't overract to this game. it is one game

Redus
04-03-2006, 07:25 PM
incredible that the two guys rode hardest on this site were the two best Reds on opening day

flyer85
04-03-2006, 07:28 PM
The ugly is what I've been saying all spring, the defense and the bullpen

KronoRed
04-03-2006, 07:34 PM
incredible that the two guys rode hardest on this site were the two best Reds on opening day
We should keep riding them then.

flyer85
04-03-2006, 07:36 PM
We should keep riding them then.they are old, poor in the field and with the bat and serve no purpose on this team.

Caveat Emperor
04-03-2006, 07:39 PM
incredible that the two guys rode hardest on this site were the two best Reds on opening day

Unfortunately, there are 161 more of these little athletic contests left this season. Otherwise, Matt Murton would be all star.

Newport Red
04-03-2006, 07:44 PM
In the good column, I'll take seven runs a game all year long.

Team Clark
04-03-2006, 07:46 PM
I almost feel bad for Adam Dunn. Almost. His HR was a heck of a shot. A line drive no less. He even had a sac fly in his first AB. Talk about a whacky day.

How about Denorfia stepping up early??

flyer85
04-03-2006, 07:50 PM
How about Denorfia stepping up early??I for one am not surprised. he should be in CF everyday. In addition, that was a Willy high fastball he picked on.

Jaycint
04-03-2006, 07:58 PM
Otherwise, Matt Murton would be all star.

I realize this was sarcasm but he may very well end up an All-Star. Dude can hit apparently. Had a nice little run at the end of last season and if Dusty will just leave him alone and let him play everyday he could put up some real nice numbers this season.

Guacarock
04-03-2006, 08:01 PM
Let's not forget how Narron contributed to this bloodbath. How?

All those days off he gave Dunn, Griffey and certain other vets in spring training, inserting scrubs in the lineup. Instead of working on their tans in Florida, they should have been doing daily defensive drills and playing in more games so they weren't so rusty come Opening Day.

As the weather improves, so should Dunn and Griffey's defense. But still, Narron let them goof off all spring, and now, we're seeing the sloppy results. Both players get paid enough to pay more attention.

Their offense is undeniable, but on the defensive side of the ledger, both are really liabilities. They share the responsibility with Narron for falling even further behind the curve. They slacked off this spring, while our manager didn't see fit to call them on it.

reds44
04-03-2006, 08:02 PM
Let's not forget how Narron contributed to this bloodbath. How?

All those days off he gave Dunn, Griffey and certain other vets in spring training, inserting scrubs in the lineup. Instead of working on their tans in Florida, they should have been doing daily defensive drills and playing in more games so they weren't so rusty come Opening Day.

As the weather improves, so should Dunn and Griffey's defense. But still, Narron let them goof off all spring, and now, we're seeing the sloppy results. Both players get paid enough to pay more attention.

Their offense is undeniable, but on the defensive side of the ledger, both are really liabilities. They share the responsibility with Narron for falling even further behind the curve. They slacked off this spring, while our manager didn't see fit to call them on it.
Yeah Junior was "screwing off" in the WBC.

flyer85
04-03-2006, 08:02 PM
The Reds were the worst defensive OF in baseball last year and will be again this year unless the appropriate changes are made.

captainmorgan07
04-03-2006, 08:03 PM
in my opinin mike burns was prolly in there with dunn in the ugly category

flyer85
04-03-2006, 08:07 PM
in my opinin mike burns was prolly in there with dunn in the ugly categoryhis previous stats say he has problems with gopherballs, not really a fit for GABP.

Guacarock
04-03-2006, 08:15 PM
Yeah Junior was "screwing off" in the WBC.

True, Junior really raked in the WBC. But I stand by my assessment. He played all of seven games for the Reds' Grapefruit squad. Not a lot of time to refine ye olde defense.

Of course, in Junior's case, at his age, the extra work might go for naught. He's way too slow, limited in his range and past his prime for a centerfielder. It's time he moves over to LF, 1B or DH. Could be with the Reds, or could be elsewhere, depending on how things shake down this season.

captainmorgan07
04-03-2006, 08:34 PM
im sure junior worked on his defense in the wbc i dont' think he'd just take batting practice

reds44
04-03-2006, 08:41 PM
True, Junior really raked in the WBC. But I stand by my assessment. He played all of seven games for the Reds' Grapefruit squad. Not a lot of time to refine ye olde defense.

Of course, in Junior's case, at his age, the extra work might go for naught. He's way too slow, limited in his range and past his prime for a centerfielder. It's time he moves over to LF, 1B or DH. Could be with the Reds, or could be elsewhere, depending on how things shake down this season.
And how many WBC classic games did he play?

Jr's defense is fine, but its not his fault that he is slow.

Heath
04-03-2006, 08:43 PM
Haha don't overract to this game. it is one game

Tell that to the people who donated 69 pages of bandwith on redszone.com

Wait 'till there's a game 7. ;)

reds44
04-03-2006, 08:45 PM
Tell that to the people who donated 69 pages of bandwith on redszone.com

Wait 'till there's a game 7.
I contributed to that, but it wasn't because I was freaking out.

realreds1
04-03-2006, 08:47 PM
The Good: The Prez is cheered; not booed (regardless of politics, I've got respect for the Office, and it added to the fun...)

The Bad: The Reds have cheerleaders now?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

The Ugly: Seeing Furball in person. Yowzers

KronoRed
04-03-2006, 08:49 PM
The Bad: The Reds have cheerleaders now?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

They do?

Good lord :help:

Heath
04-03-2006, 08:54 PM
Haven't the Reds have cheerleaders for a while now? The Pepsi Fun Crew?

:dunno:

reds44
04-03-2006, 08:55 PM
And how is that bad?

Cheerleaders=good especially in the summer.

realreds1
04-03-2006, 09:01 PM
Haven't the Reds have cheerleaders for a while now? The Pepsi Fun Crew?

:dunno:

No, I mean, new this year: a cheerleading team. While I enjoyed the dozen or so tiny girls in tight, skimpy clothing, it did seem a wee bit out of place at a baseball game.

Color me purist.

Edited to add: they had a routine in centerfield before the game and then did a little routine on top of the Reds dugout some time later.

KronoRed
04-03-2006, 09:02 PM
What's next? a marching band?

Heath
04-03-2006, 09:06 PM
What's next? a marching band?

You are playing lead kazoo.

Shaknb8k
04-03-2006, 09:29 PM
The quote of the day came from Chris Welsh when Dunn made his unofficial 3rd error of the game in the 6th when he fell down. Welsh said, "Hes going to get himself hurt out there." That made me laugh after watching this horrific game.

OldRightHander
04-03-2006, 09:53 PM
Good: It's Opening Day. A bad day at the ballpark is still better than a good day at work. Also, because it was so cold, we skipped batting practice and went to the Hall of Fame museum. That was a good couple hours, well worth the $5.

Bad: The weather. That was just horrible baseball weather. I'm not saying it was the only reason for the bad defense, but I think the wind did have something to do with it. I wouldn't have wanted to be in that outfield today.

Ugly: Besides the bullpen and the defense, some of the drunken fans sitting near me, especially the three Cubs fans who kept sitting on the backs of their chairs so those of us behind them couldn't see over their heads. One of them bragged to his buddy that he was going to run onto the field and he made it onto the dugout before the security guard nabbed him. As he was being escorted out he was mumbling something like, "I just wanted to shake Mr. Griffey's hand."

reds44
04-03-2006, 09:56 PM
Ugly: Besides the bullpen and the defense, some of the drunken fans sitting near me, especially the three Cubs fans who kept sitting on the backs of their chairs so those of us behind them couldn't see over their heads. One of them bragged to his buddy that he was going to run onto the field and he made it onto the dugout before the security guard nabbed him. As he was being escorted out he was mumbling something like, "I just wanted to shake Mr. Griffey's hand."
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

KronoRed
04-03-2006, 10:22 PM
You are playing lead kazoo.
http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/happykazoowallpaper.jpg


;)

kxblue
04-03-2006, 10:31 PM
I for one am upset with the way the President's appearance was handled. I got their an hour before the game (I had school), and ended up waiting for an hour and 15 minutes (missing the top of the first) because we were stuck in the back two gates. Both gates (in CF and along third base line) had huge lines and no one from GABP/security even bothered to tell us that the main gates had no lines.

Im not a big fan of the President (I wouldn't have booed), but personally I would have rather had anybody else throw the pitch for lesser security to make the event more functional.

Still, overall I had a good expierence and really enjoyed the day.

Reds1
04-03-2006, 10:39 PM
they are old, poor in the field and with the bat and serve no purpose on this team.

I was at the game. Yes, there was some poor plays, but left field was very difficult tonight. I never have been to a game where the wind and weather was so bad. EE did make one incredible play at 3rd on a bunt, but then sucked on one he knew was coming. It has to get better. Some tough luck tonight, but nice to see some good things from the newcomers and Kearns almost hit a grand slam. Also, Dunn had a sac fly in the 1st game with a HR so he was not all bad tonight. I was sad to hear the fans boo him like that. It was BS in my opinion.

Seeing the President was also very cool.

Reds1
04-03-2006, 10:40 PM
The Good: The Prez is cheered; not booed (regardless of politics, I've got respect for the Office, and it added to the fun...)

The Bad: The Reds have cheerleaders now?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

The Ugly: Seeing Furball in person. Yowzers

The Cheerleaders should be under the good! They were hot.

paintmered
04-03-2006, 10:43 PM
The Cheerleaders should be under the good! They were hot.

So therefore they belong at a major league baseball game? :confused:

CrackerJack
04-03-2006, 10:49 PM
So therefore they belong at a major league baseball game? :confused:


Why not!? Put 'em everywhere! At highway rest stops, gas stations, the office, traffic lights...

redsmetz
04-03-2006, 10:50 PM
I almost feel bad for Adam Dunn. Almost. His HR was a heck of a shot. A line drive no less. He even had a sac fly in his first AB. Talk about a whacky day.

How about Denorfia stepping up early??

My oldest daughter called me from DC after the game and said, "My God, all our runs came from home runs or sacrifice flies! We can't be doing that all year - let's get some other hits!". Most telling was Kearns' AB in the 1st - a base hit there is two runs.

I hollered for Dunn to show up for fielding practice tomorrow. The two he had to come in on, he's got to get better breaks on those. And he's got to trust himself going to the wall. He got there in time, pulled off for the carom and it hit right where he had been.

Oh my, what a bitterly cold day at the ballpark, way too long particularly given the long, long time we had to wait at GABP just so the president could throw out a pitch. Please don't do that again, please!

I remember what some have said, there's still 161 games t:bang: o go. This team can win some ballgames. And please send Womack away. He was alright at the plate today, but there were some shots that went by him.

And who was that umpire behind the plate with the microscopic strike zone? Was he an eskimo and just loved keeping us out there???? I thought I would scream! :bang:

redsmetz
04-03-2006, 10:52 PM
The Good: The Prez is cheered; not booed (regardless of politics, I've got respect for the Office, and it added to the fun...)

The Bad: The Reds have cheerleaders now?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!

The Ugly: Seeing Furball in person. Yowzers

I respect the office, but I was heartsick at the wild cheering for this man who make Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan look like giants in comparison. I'll leave it at that. I sat in my chair and prayed.

Yachtzee
04-03-2006, 11:16 PM
No, I mean, new this year: a cheerleading team. While I enjoyed the dozen or so tiny girls in tight, skimpy clothing, it did seem a wee bit out of place at a baseball game.

Color me purist.

Edited to add: they had a routine in centerfield before the game and then did a little routine on top of the Reds dugout some time later.

Sounds to me like they got an idea after scouting Winter Ball teams and following the WBC. I seem to recall that cheerleaders, or something like it, are quite common in Caribbean ball.

Reds1
04-03-2006, 11:49 PM
So therefore they belong at a major league baseball game? :confused:

IMO yes. I thought it was cool. It's not like they were a focus point.

I was kind of joking, but I didn't mind it at all. A little entertainment between innings never killed anyone.

I only saw them at pre game and then once on the dugout. I was in the 2nd row so I got a good shot. Let's just say after watching them score 7 runs it actually put a smile on my face.

Falls City Beer
04-03-2006, 11:55 PM
The Good: EdE's defense; the offense: Dunn, Womack, and Lopez and the pinch hitters had very good days at bat.

The Bad: Aaron Harang--enough excuses: retire freakin' Cub hitters. They may have hit several squibbers, but they also hit a bunch of no doubters off him. If he's not nursing a pain, then that performance was pathetic. He was fooling no one, and nothing.

The Ugly: the bullpen; good lord, could it be any worse?

paintmered
04-03-2006, 11:59 PM
IMO yes. I thought it was cool. It's not like they were a focus point.

I was kind of joking, but I didn't mind it at all. A little entertainment between innings never killed anyone.

I only saw them at pre game and then once on the dugout. I was in the 2nd row so I got a good shot. Let's just say after watching them score 7 runs it actually put a smile on my face.

I didn't get to see the game today so perhaps I shouldn't have rushed to judgement. From the way it sounded, they were parked on the dugouts for the entire game. If they are just there for pregame and between innings, then that's a little more palatable.

markymark69
04-04-2006, 12:14 AM
The Bad: Aaron Harang--enough excuses: retire freakin' Cub hitters. They may have hit several squibbers, but they also hit a bunch of no doubters off him. If he's not nursing a pain, then that performance was pathetic. He was fooling no one, and nothing.


Not to make any excuses, because he didn't make pitches when he had to, but the Gerry Davis gave Harang a strike zone about the size of a teacup in the first inning. Very tough to get hitters out when pitches below the letters that should have been called strikes are called balls and pitches knee high were also called balls.

However, I do agree, not much to cheer about when you lose 16-7.

OldRightHander
04-04-2006, 12:18 AM
The Cheerleaders should be under the good! They were hot.

The only thing that was hot. There have been few openers where I felt that cold in the stands. That wind was brutal.

vic715
04-04-2006, 12:21 AM
Hey, who cares about the bad and the ugly in todays game.Only the good counts.
THANK GOD BASEBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Reds1
04-04-2006, 12:49 AM
I didn't get to see the game today so perhaps I shouldn't have rushed to judgement. From the way it sounded, they were parked on the dugouts for the entire game. If they are just there for pregame and between innings, then that's a little more palatable.


I understand. I actually didn't even notice they were chearleaders until they were right in front of me. I thought it was a local dance team or something. If you didn't sit close it probably wasn't noticed by everyone.
I have no problem with being a pureist of the game. I just thought it was kind of cool.

Reds1
04-04-2006, 12:50 AM
The only thing that was hot. There have been few openers where I felt that cold in the stands. That wind was brutal.

Amen to that. It did suck! I way underdressed.