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Red Leader
04-04-2006, 10:57 AM
Hey all,

I'm trying to make a trade to get me another power bat. I'm offering either OF Coco Crisp straight up, or pairing him with SP Jeremy Bonderman to land this power bat.

A couple of targets:

Chad Tracy, Jason Giambi, Hank Blalock, and Hideki Matsui.

Do any of those deal look like good ones, either 1-1 or 2-1?

Or I could try OF Brad Wilkerson and SP Bonderman for Felipe Lopez.

Stats counted are R, H, HR, RBI, SB, BB, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS.

flyer85
04-04-2006, 11:12 AM
Or I could try OF Brad Wilkerson and SP Bonderman for Felipe Lopez.I don't see how that would help. I would expect Wilkerson to hit more HRs than Lopez.

PECOTA HRs
Crisp 15
Giambi 23
Blaylock 31
Matsui 20
Tracy 19
Wilkerson 23
Lopez 13

Red Leader
04-04-2006, 11:18 AM
I don't see how that would help. I would expect Wilkerson to hit more HRs than Lopez.

PECOTA HRs
Crisp 15
Giambi 23
Blaylock 31
Matsui 20
Tracy 19
Wilkerson 23
Lopez 13

Lopez with 13 HR? That's a lot lower than I though. I figured him for 20-25. The idea behind that deal would be that I would trade Wilkerson and Bonderman for Lopez and then deal my current SS, Furcal, for a more established power hitter. Might not be the best set of deals for my team, though. I've been thinking Blalock was the best target all along, so I might go that route. What does PECOTA have for Aubrey Huff? He's another one I've been looking at.


and thanks for the info, flyer. :thumbup:

flyer85
04-04-2006, 11:20 AM
PECOTA has Huff for 21

Red Leader
04-04-2006, 01:41 PM
What about OF Matt Holliday and SP Jeremy Bonderman for DH Travis Hafner?

Is that a fair trade, would I be giving up too much?

I'm looking for Hafner to have as big of a year as last year, if not better. He'll be an upgrade in HR, RBI, R, BB, OBP, SLG, and OPS over Holliday from what I gather. Thoughts?

flyer85
04-04-2006, 01:58 PM
What about OF Matt Holliday and SP Jeremy Bonderman for DH Travis Hafner?

Is that a fair trade, would I be giving up too much? hafner I like very much. Bonderman is mostly potential at this point but it may depend on who your other pitchers are.

Hafner is certainly a power bat who will hit for average

PECOTA
Holiday 18
Hafner 30

IowaRed
04-04-2006, 01:59 PM
I'm going to guess that the Hafner owner is going to turn that offer down unless he needs positional flexibility that Hafner doesn't provide. I think I would try to put something together for Matsui

Red Leader
04-04-2006, 02:01 PM
hafner I like very much. Bonderman is mostly potential at this point but it may depend on who your other pitchers are.

Hafner is certainly a power bat who will hit for average

PECOTA
Holiday 18
Hafner 30

My other starters are:

R. Harden
J. Patterson
B. Myers
E. Bedard
K. Escobar

We start 4 SP's.

Red Leader
04-04-2006, 02:04 PM
The team that has Hafner has:
Prior
Webb
Millwood
Cain
Glavine

as his starters, so I'm thinking Bonderman would be at least his 3rd best starter until Prior comes back.

Buckeye33
04-04-2006, 02:07 PM
What about OF Matt Holliday and SP Jeremy Bonderman for DH Travis Hafner?

Is that a fair trade, would I be giving up too much?

I'm looking for Hafner to have as big of a year as last year, if not better. He'll be an upgrade in HR, RBI, R, BB, OBP, SLG, and OPS over Holliday from what I gather. Thoughts?

Whoever you were trading with with have to think that Holliday will have a big year in Colorado to accept that deal. In those categories, Hafner is excellent in every single one.

The average for the last 2 years for Hafner:

30 HR 108 RBI 95 R 75 BB .409/.589/.998

With those settings, that makes Hafner a Top 10 player imo. If you offered me that trade, I would turn it down everytime.

I think a Crisp-Bonderman for Matsui would be a pretty fair deal. Or if whoever has Matsui already has a lot of power bats, try Crisp for Matsui and see what happens.

edabbs44
04-04-2006, 09:48 PM
Holliday will put up numbers that rival Hafner. I'm looking at like .300-28-110 (with 15 SBs) for MH and .305-35-120 for Hafner. Add in Bonderman and no position flexibility for Hafner, and there isn't much of a difference.

IowaRed
04-04-2006, 09:57 PM
The settings for this league make Hafner significantly more valuable. He had more than twice as many BB's last year as Holliday in almost the same amount of AB's and he OPS'd more than 100pts higher. Not saying those numbers will stay the same but I don't see Holliday's numbers rivaling Hafners this year. Having said that I drafted Holliday in several leagues so I hope I'm wrong

flyer85
04-04-2006, 11:15 PM
I read yesterday that Matsui is having trouble with a knee. May want to check into that if you are considering dealing for him

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 04:28 PM
Latest on these events. This guy I'm trying to deal with is stubborn (hate that). I dropped Kelvim Escobar and picked up Jonathan Papelbon two nights ago. I dropped Mike Gonzalez and picked up Dennys Baez last night. This owner HAD Keith Foulke and Eric Gagne as his two closers, so he's screwed right?

I took the Bonderman/Crisp or Holliday trade off the board, and offered him Papelbon, Baez, or Gordon + Crisp, Wilkeron or Holliday for Hafner, thinking it was a decent trade for him. Not trying to rip him off, just trying to better my team and help him by giving him a replacement closer and some offense in return.

He declines the trade and counters with Hafner for Jason Bay straight up. Hafner went in the 4th round of our draft. Bay was my first round pick. Can't do that.

He then counters again with Hafner and Juan Pierre for Jason Bay. Really not a terrible offer considering our league settings, but I really don't think I should give up Bay to get Hafner, especially when he now has no closers (and I have 5!) and his starters suck.

Johnny Footstool
04-07-2006, 04:45 PM
I'd send him an email telling him to call me when he decides he needs saves.

Hang onto those extra closers for a couple of weeks. You might get extremely lucky and catch 6 or 7 extra saves from them. Then you can make a more advantageous deal.

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 04:53 PM
I'd send him an email telling him to call me when he decides he needs saves.

Hang onto those extra closers for a couple of weeks. You might get extremely lucky and catch 6 or 7 extra saves from them. Then you can make a more advantageous deal.

Yeah, I just sent him an email along those lines. Told him to make me an offer when he's done drinking and that I wasn't giving up Bay, Utley, or Victor Martinez for Hafner, and wanted to move one of my closers for a bat. If he didn't want one of my closers, then I was going to move on to a different team to try and find a hitter.

I just got an email back that says "I'll look at your team again...."

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 04:54 PM
Another trade just got accepted in our league:

3B Hank Blalock and SP Mark Mulder for OF Manny Ramirez. :runaway: :runaway:

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 04:59 PM
Still waiting for a reply....

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 05:15 PM
He countered back with OF Coco Crisp and RP B.J. Ryan for DH Travis Hafner.

A very tempting offer, but I didn't want to lose my best, and most consistant RP. Hmmmm. What to do.

I used my excellent negotiation skills and said "hey, you have Gagne, why don't you DL Gagne and take Baez, that way IF Gagne does come back, you've got that position covered, you can just drop Baez and you'll already have Gagne, or drop Gagne at that point if he's not going to be put back in the closers role...

He took it.

So, I ended up dealing OF Coco Crisp and RP Dennys Baez for DH Travis Hafner, a no-brainer of a trade for me, and I couldn't be happier about that trade

Buckeye33
04-07-2006, 06:07 PM
Another trade just got accepted in our league:

3B Hank Blalock and SP Mark Mulder for OF Manny Ramirez. :runaway: :runaway:

This trade better be vetoed. That is a horrible horrible trade. That's a trade someone who has 2 teams in a league would try to pull off.

As far as your trade, you did quite quite well. Hafner is incredibly useful in your league settings. Baez means nothing for you, and now you can even pick Gonzalez back up now that you dealt away 2 for 1.

So really, you traded Crisp and Baez (who you got for nothing off waivers) for Hafner and Gonzalez..

You should seriously pick Gonzalez back up, that allows you even more trade possibilities with all your closers. He is going to have a very good year for the Pirates.

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 06:16 PM
You should seriously pick Gonzalez back up, that allows you even more trade possibilities with all your closers. He is going to have a very good year for the Pirates.

Shhhh! I was planning on it. :laugh:

Either that or pick up Kelvim Escobar, who I dropped for Papelbon.

Buckeye33
04-07-2006, 07:03 PM
Red Leader, you and I seem to answer a lot of questions in this forum and I like a lot of the ideas and issues you bring up.

So I am going to ask you about one of my teams. This is the league I want to win the most since it has all friends in it. Bragging rights, etc.

R-HR-RBIs-AVG-E-BB-SB

ERA-W-SV-K-BB-HR-CG

Here is the team:

C- Willingham
C- R. Hernandez
1B- Lee
2B- Weeks
3B- Wright
SS- Reyes
OF/1B- Dunn
OF- Holliday
OF- Winn
OF- Mench
Util- Hafner
2B/3B- Polanco

SP- Buerhle
SP- Patterson
SP- Haren
SP- Lackey
SP- O. Perez
SP- Blanton
SP/RP - Papelbon
RP- Nathan
RP- Hoffman
RP- Gonzalez

My thoughts are that I need to add a stud starter to really round out my team. An Oswalt-Halladay type. Now that I have picked up Papelbon, if he does become the permanent closer in Boston, I feel I could package a starter and a closer and try to get a stud starter.

My other thought would be that Willingham is going to become OF eligible soon and that would allow me to have an excess amount of OFers. That could also allow me to possibly move Dunn for a really good starter.

Anyways, what are your thoughts? I am also pretty content to ride it out for awhile because I believe I have a very good team over the long haul. It will pretty much come down to if my younr starters can turn the corner and become consistent.

Red Leader
04-07-2006, 09:32 PM
Sorry, I left work before seeing this.

You start 2 C's? If so, moving Willingham to OF probably isn't a good idea. If not, I wouldn't move Dunn, I'd move Willingham to a team that needs a catcher. Probably package him with a closer and you could get your #1 starter. Buerhle is good for the CG's. I still have hope that Patterson will take it up a notch from last year, and if so, he could be scary good. Haren has potential to improve on last year as well. O.Perez, I'm assuming is Oliver, and he's going to be up/down a lot, but in the end, better than last year.

I do think you need a #1 starter, but I think you'll be fine until your players establish enough value to get you one, though.

As I've said in other threads, Rickie Weeks is going to go gangbusters on the league this year. He's a good pick. Lee, Wright, Hafner, and Dunn are top players, and that foursome should win you a lot of matchups by themselves. I really think your offense is solid. Only question marks I have are Kevin Mench and Randy Winn. I think Winn can produce like he did last year, and I think Mench can do a little better, but I'd have guys tagged on the waiver wire in case they do start to fade.


Yeah, my idea would be to package Willingham and a closer to get your stud pitcher if you don't start 2 C's. If you do start 2, then I'd probably go toward trading a starter (maybe Patterson if he's not stepping up enough - he'll struggle to get wins as well) and a closer go get the #1.

Red Leader
04-10-2006, 10:51 AM
Alright, so I made this trade last Friday.

OF Coco Crisp and RP Dennys Baez for DH Travis Hafner.

Two hours after the trade was accepted (about 5:30pm Friday) news broke that Gagne may only miss 2 months following surgery (hurting Baez's value). The next day Coco Crisp injured his hand. It is now being reported that Crisp might miss 4-6 weeks with a broken knuckle. Both news items came after the trade was accepted, but I feel bad. I feel like I ripped him off for some reason. Should I offer to take Crisp back and give him Wilkerson or Matt Holliday in exchange? What would you do? I'm not obligated to do anything. He accepted the trade for those two players and they got hurt after the trade was accepted. Hafner could have just as easily broken his leg and missed the rest of the season and he problably wouldn't have done anything to compensate me. Just not sitting well with me, and I don't want the rest of the league thinking I made a lopsided trade and gave him a player that isn't going to be useful after the All-Star break, and another player who may not play until close to the All-Star break. Your thoughts?

Buckeye33
04-10-2006, 04:03 PM
I personally would not worry about making up for an injury that happened after you made the trade. Like you said, Hafner could have easily and still could go down for the year just as easily as Crisp can/did.

Personal feelings can't be brought into fantasy baseball. You did nothing wrong and bad luck hit for the other guy.

Also, I can't see Gagne just coming back and being 100% healthy and taking over for Baez, especially if Baez does well in the role.