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reds44
04-05-2006, 06:02 PM
2006 Opening Day Payrolls
Team Payroll Average
Yankees $198,662,180 $7,095,078
Red Sox $120,100,524 $4,448,168
Angels $103,625,333 $4,145,013
White Sox $102,875,667 $3,956,756
Mets $100,901,085 $3,880,811
Dodgers $99,176,950 $3,673,220
Cubs $94,841,167 $3,387,185
Astros $92,551,503 $3,559,673
Braves $92,461,852 $3,188,340
Giants $90,862,063 $3,634,483
Cardinals $88,441,218 $3,401,585
Mariners $88,324,500 $3,397,096
Phillies $88,273,333 $3,269,383
Tigers $82,302,069 $3,048,225
Orioles $72,585,713 $2,592,347
Blue Jays $71,915,000 $2,663,519
Padres $69,725,179 $2,490,185
Rangers $65,468,130 $2,111,875
Twins $63,810,048 $2,454,233
Nationals $63,267,500 $2,108,917
Athletics $62,322,054 $2,492,882
Reds $59,489,015 $2,124,608
Diamondbacks $59,221,226 $2,277,739
Indians $56,795,867 $2,271,835
Brewers $56,790,000 $2,271,600
Royals $47,294,000 $1,630,828
Pirates $46,867,750 $1,673,848
Rockies $41,133,000 $1,371,100
Devil Rays $35,417,967 $1,264,927
Marlins $14,998,500 $576,865
Source: The Associated Press

KronoRed
04-05-2006, 06:05 PM
Damn yankees.

paintmered
04-05-2006, 09:15 PM
The Marlins payroll would pay for two of the Yankees average salaries.

Of course, the Marlins have themselves to blame as much for that as the Yankees do.

vaticanplum
04-05-2006, 09:18 PM
Is there ever a mention of MLB payroll anymore where the first thing mentioned is NOT the Yankees? (sorry, I'm a little testy today)

The most notable thing to me is the Indians' payroll. Now that's impressive.

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 09:41 PM
Is there ever a mention of MLB payroll anymore where the first thing mentioned is NOT the Yankees? (sorry, I'm a little testy today)

The most notable thing to me is the Indians' payroll. Now that's impressive.The Brewers payroll ain't too shabby either....

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 09:43 PM
Tigers are at $ 82.3 million? Other than Pudge, who else is earning the big coin on that squad?

Aronchis
04-05-2006, 09:46 PM
92 million for the Astros? They must have alot of dead weight on that payroll.

KronoRed
04-05-2006, 09:53 PM
Tigers are at $ 82.3 million? Other than Pudge, who else is earning the big coin on that squad?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=det

16 mill for Magglio Ordonez

Yikes.

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 09:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=det

16 mill for Magglio Ordonez

Yikes.Magglio Ordonez? Speaking of dead weight...

Blimpie
04-05-2006, 09:57 PM
92 million for the Astros? They must have alot of dead weight on that payroll.Wait 'til May and they re-sign Clemens...oops, I forgot...he's retired (again) :rolleyes:

KronoRed
04-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Wait 'til May and they re-sign Clemens...oops, I forgot...he's retired (again) :rolleyes:
He'll play for the Rangers.

butlerbulldogs
04-05-2006, 11:13 PM
i think the tigers are still playing bobby higginson LOL

butlerbulldogs
04-05-2006, 11:16 PM
anybody else think it is funny how Boston fan always complains about Yankees payroll, they are 20 million higher than third...arrrgh, i can't stand boston fan, sorry had to vent...I am a Reds fan first, Yankees second, grew up in NY...only people that should be able to complain, are people under 70 million, tickets for the Marlins games should be less expensive than the dayton dragons, you couldn't pay me to go to their games if i lived there

TeamBoone
04-05-2006, 11:46 PM
Hey Butler... I grew up a Yankee fan. BOSTON SUCKS!

Topcat
04-06-2006, 03:39 AM
The part that baffles me is how every sport source talks about how the Braves have kinda down scalled on $$$$ um ah can I scale back as a GM and have a 92 million payroll :pimp: ?

Sea Ray
04-06-2006, 09:17 AM
Interesting that the Yankees have so much money they can pretty much pay for 25 Adam Dunns on their roster. Kind of puts this all in perspective, huh?

As for our own situation, we're woefully behind our chief rivals, Chicago Cubs, Houston and St Louis. The get a $20mill+ headstart before the season ever begins, and that's been the case for years. Nice to see contenders like Cleveland have a reasonable payroll, but that's due to their youth. If they're successful they'll eventually have to tear down and rebuild like they did last decade. This is the plight of today's game in baseball. Money doesn't guarantee championships any more than it does happiness but it sure does help.

traderumor
04-06-2006, 09:30 AM
The Marlins are making a good case for the owners' biggest complaint about revenue sharing. While having a salary floor will drive up prices for marginal players, it sure does have the appearance that Loria is filling his pockets with money belonging to other clubs.

Johnny Footstool
04-06-2006, 09:31 AM
Damn yankees.

That's why I root for the small-market Red Sox.

OldXOhio
04-06-2006, 09:31 AM
The Marlins payroll would pay for two of the Yankees average salaries.

Of course, the Marlins have themselves to blame as much for that as the Yankees do.

As much as the Marlins fan base might disagree, blame is not the word that comes to mind when looking at Florida's situation. More like strategy or plan.

Johnny Footstool
04-06-2006, 09:32 AM
i think the tigers are still playing bobby higginson LOL

Whether or not he's playing, I think they're still paying him.

traderumor
04-06-2006, 09:35 AM
The choices for expansion also were a real good job. The three bottom spenders are from the 90s expansion, while Arizona is only eighth from the bottom. Good job, MLB. I think only the NBA has done a poorer job of expansion.

Chip R
04-06-2006, 09:39 AM
As much as the Marlins fan base might disagree, blame is not the word that comes to mind when looking at Florida's situation. More like strategy or plan.

Stra-te-gy? Pl-an? I am unfamiliar with these terms. Could you explain their meaning to a simple Reds fan like me?

registerthis
04-06-2006, 09:48 AM
The Marlins are the poster children for why, if a salary cap is ever implemented in baseball, a minimum payroll must also be included.

OldXOhio
04-06-2006, 10:03 AM
Stra-te-gy? Pl-an? I am unfamiliar with these terms. Could you explain their meaning to a simple Reds fan like me?

Let me put them into Reds-speak for you:

Marlins: strategy
Reds: strategery (see O'Brien, Dan)

Marlins: plan
Reds: phan (see Dunn, Adam)

traderumor
04-06-2006, 10:20 AM
What I find interesting about the Marlins payroll disparity is that the MLB rules are so worried about cash in lieu of talent transactions that they must approve anything with cash involved over $1M, but they allow a team to sell down to a skeleton payroll without reprisal. I guess its just like any competitive environment--rules are created but someone else finds a way to circumvent the rules.

And while I know some are fans of tear down and rebuilds as good strategy, when you do so at the expense of alienating an already shaky fan base, and do so twice with the same franchise, I'm not so sure that is something that should be supported as good for the game.

OldXOhio
04-06-2006, 10:36 AM
And while I know some are fans of tear down and rebuilds as good strategy, when you do so at the expense of alienating an already shaky fan base

You're right, it is a shaky fan base. Then again, if the Marlins were to go on a World Series run akin to that of the Yankees of the 90s, I'm still not sure they'd draw very well.

IslandRed
04-06-2006, 11:00 AM
It's certainly a good example of how to totally ruin what should have been a good baseball market.

traderumor
04-06-2006, 11:04 AM
You're right, it is a shaky fan base. Then again, if the Marlins were to go on a World Series run akin to that of the Yankees of the 90s, I'm still not sure they'd draw very well.You're probably right there, but just in raw attendance, they are looking at 1.7 M two years ago and suprisingly went up two years removed from the WS victory with 1.8 M last year. Tampa Bay drew just 1.1 M last year and KC just over 1.3M last year, and they are spending over twice and three times as much, respectively, as the Marlins. To me, that $14M is an outrage, and it simply add fuel to the fire for the richest owners to cry foul when the topic of revenue sharing comes to a vote.

Ohioballplayer
04-06-2006, 11:10 AM
92 million for the Astros? They must have alot of dead weight on that payroll.


:barf: Bagwell

registerthis
04-06-2006, 11:44 AM
To me, that $14M is an outrage, and it simply add fuel to the fire for the richest owners to cry foul when the topic of revenue sharing comes to a vote.

Exactly. I'm not defending the Yankees free-spending habits, which are problematic in their own right--but it merits attention when Steinbrenner complains about the revenue sharing monies going directly into the pockets o fthe owners, rather than the teams.

Just out of curiosity, what was the Marlins payment under the revenue sharing plan last year? Anyone know? I'm curious to see how much of their payroll is actually being absorbed by the team/owner, and how much was covered under the revenue sharing plan.

Jaycint
04-06-2006, 12:05 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=det

16 mill for Magglio Ordonez

Yikes.


8 Million for Da Meat Hook? That's gotta sting a little too. Not to mention a combined 11+ million between Troy Percival and Todd Jones when they probably should have just let Fernando Rodney close games for under $400,000.

Sea Ray
04-06-2006, 01:32 PM
The Marlins strategy may very well be to bankroll money now and hope when the kids mature they can splurge and make another run. Then they'll tear it down again and do this all over. They've already gone through two cycles like this. By looking at their two trophies a case can be made that this is a better small market strategy in today's economic climate than Billy Beane's.

As for revenue sharing, there's nothing the Yankees can say about it unless they set a salary floor and they can't really set a salary floor without a cap.

Baseball's system is screwed up. They shouldn't allow a team to have a $14mill payroll anymore than they should allow a $200mill one. In the end a salary cap would not cost the players money. For every guy the Yankees would need to jettison in order to get under a cap, teams like the Royals, Marlins and D-Rays would have to add.

KronoRed
04-06-2006, 01:53 PM
The Marlins plan only works because they have a lack of fan support, they don't need to care about drawing because they don't.

KronoRed
04-06-2006, 01:53 PM
That's why I root for the small-market Red Sox.
Word.

Red Sox just as bad? come on..they are 80! mill behind, they are the Reds plus the Marlins behind.

traderumor
04-06-2006, 02:16 PM
The Marlins plan only works because they have a lack of fan support, they don't need to care about drawing because they don't.They had more attend than the Pirates, who have a spiffy ballpark, and just 100K less than the Reds, who also have a spiffy ballpark.

KronoRed
04-06-2006, 02:26 PM
The Pirates and Reds could both do the same, but they plan to be in the same towns in 10 years, the Marlins don't.

StillFunkyB
04-09-2006, 08:17 AM
I don't really like the idea of a salary floor.

Also, it's not like the Marlins are totally barren. They have some pretty decent specs close to ML ready, and they still have Dontrelle, and Miguel.

I say if they add a salary cap, they add a minimum to the payroll to receive revenue sharing. That seems fair to me. This way the Marlins (or whicheve team) doesn't receive that extra cash unless they have a certain amount in payrole.

Of course there are ways to exploit this as well. You could just sign a player to a one year deal for an ammount that puts you over the floor.