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Cant Touch This
04-08-2006, 12:13 PM
17 homeruns have been hit in Cincinnati this year already, and the sportswriters are quick to take notice of the "hitter-friendly" park. Most of the homeruns I've seen have been shots that would clear the fences in any park.

I realize the numbers don't lie: Last year GABP allowed the 3rd-highest HR total, I believe. I tend to subscribe to the theory that it is the result of "pitching to contact" more than it is the design of the park. Comparing the dimensions to other MLB stadiums, it really isn't that much smaller.

When hitters are smashing 420-foot bombs, the pitchers can't blame it on the ballpark.

Dom Heffner
04-08-2006, 12:15 PM
When hitters are smashing 420-foot bombs, the pitchers can't blame it on the ballpark.

Sometimes it's the way the park allows the ball to carry that makes it go that far.

Cant Touch This
04-08-2006, 12:20 PM
Sometimes it's the way the park allows the ball to carry that makes it go that far.

I don't remember Riverfront getting as much press about the HR total that GABP gets, and it's the same air. Do you think it is the open-end design that promotes the extra carry?

Even so, I still contend that the homeruns I've seen hit this year would have been HRs anywhere. Carry doesn't matter when the ball is hit that far in the first place.

KronoRed
04-08-2006, 02:03 PM
I'd blame the pitching.

Redmachine2003
04-08-2006, 02:09 PM
I don't know why people are upset about how many hrs are hit, everyone loves the long ball.

Red Heeler
04-08-2006, 03:05 PM
Reds have a bunch of pitchers who tend to give up the gopher-ball. Reds have a bunch of hitters who tend to hit the gopher ball. I would vote that this is more of a case of players skewing the stats for the ballpark than the other way around.

cincinnati chili
04-08-2006, 03:48 PM
If Krivsky is able to normalize this team over the next 5 years, I think the reputation of GABP as a hitters park will vanish.

Baseball Prospectus and other publications have already shown that it's somewhat of a home run park, but not ridiculously so. Offensively, it's pretty neutral (suppressing singles to make up for the nudge in homers).

Unfortunately, the math involved is kinda complicated, so we'll have to wait until we have a real pitching staff, and a non-elite offense for it to show to the layman. (And I consider 95% of baseball writers to be laymen).

GridironGrace
04-08-2006, 06:57 PM
I dunno. When you have a pitcher who is striking out 10 batters in a game and only giving up 8 hits i find it hard to believe Its JUST THE PITCHERS when they leave the game in the 6th with an 8 ERA giving up 5 runs cause of 2 HRS

Take away those HRs and he gave up 1 run and prolly threw about 10 less pitches and makes it to the 7th inning.

flyer85
04-08-2006, 08:11 PM
Bad pitching is still the easiest way to make the ball go far.

Cant Touch This
04-08-2006, 09:12 PM
I dunno. When you have a pitcher who is striking out 10 batters in a game and only giving up 8 hits i find it hard to believe Its JUST THE PITCHERS when they leave the game in the 6th with an 8 ERA giving up 5 runs cause of 2 HRS

Take away those HRs and he gave up 1 run and prolly threw about 10 less pitches and makes it to the 7th inning.


Harang served up just one HR today to Castillo and it got out in a hurry. I thought Harang pitched pretty well -- heck, all you have to do is keep the opposition in single digits and the Reds have a fighting chance. Fact is, the Reds starters don't have the luxury of putting a couple of guys on base and having a pen to bail them out of trouble. Harang wore out and Burns couldn't shut the door on the inning which would have preserved a "quality start."

In the end, he got the W and that's what matters most.

Back on topic: I think all HRs that were hit today would have been HRs anywhere. Aurilia, Kearns, and Castillo all connected.

BoydsOfSummer
04-08-2006, 10:40 PM
I wish it had bigger gaps. Triples are alot of fun. Doubles too.

KronoRed
04-08-2006, 11:37 PM
I wish it had bigger gaps. Triples are alot of fun. Doubles too.
Like I said..take out the walls :devil:

Love to see some guys trying to track balls down before they roll into the river ;)

puca
04-09-2006, 08:01 AM
Bad pitching + great hitting background.

If they want to nuetralize this ballpark they should muddy up the hitter's background a bit. Apparently hitters see the ball really well in the GAB. If so, it is not surprising that they hit the ball really far.

Redmachine2003
04-09-2006, 10:45 AM
If the outfield was bigger it may cut down on the homers but it wouldn't reduce the era. Our outfielders can't cover a whole lot of ground. They are in there for power not speed or "D".

Steve4192
04-09-2006, 01:51 PM
Reds have a bunch of pitchers who tend to give up the gopher-ball. Reds have a bunch of hitters who tend to hit the gopher ball. I would vote that this is more of a case of players skewing the stats for the ballpark than the other way around.
Nah.

Over the last three years (2003-2005), there have been 1262 HRs hit in games involving the Reds (Reds HR + Opponents HR). Of those 1262 HR, 681 (54%) have been at the GABP while only 581 (46%) have been hit on the road. That 8% difference is pretty darn big and has been escalating. Last year (2005), the gap was 12% with 441 total HR, 246 at the GABP (56%) and 195 on the road (44%).

In each of the last three years, the Reds + their opponents have hit more homers at the GABP than they have on the opponents home turf. That is what we stats-geeks call a trend. There can be no doubt about it ... the GABP is a fairly extreme HR park.