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kaldaniels
04-12-2006, 12:24 AM
Am I crazy or has it been great the first few starts...haven't seen that from a Reds pitcher in a while it seems. Gammons was saying tonight how pitching in the AL east really stepped up his pitching...so far it looks like that is the case!!!

M2
04-12-2006, 12:36 AM
Arroyo, when he's right, gets sick movement on everything he throws. The remarkable thing is he gets movement like that and he's got some control over it.

Mind you, the Cubs can make you look better than you perhaps are, but Arroyo has legitimate stuff. For those who were worried about his K rate, hopefully seeing the quality of his pitches has helped ease that fear a bit.

Dunner44
04-12-2006, 12:44 AM
Not playing the Yanks so often has to help as well. The cards lineup is killer, but the yankees have so many hitters....

Gainesville Red
04-12-2006, 12:51 AM
I am cautiously (very cautiously, he's a pitcher for the Reds for god's sake) optimistic. Some of his pitches today had ridiculous, illogical bends to them. I even pushed rewind on the TiVo today to watch a few of them again. Hope he can keep that up.

Buckaholic
04-12-2006, 02:14 AM
It was mentioned already, but I've been impressed with the command he has of these filfthy pitches. His breaking ball is sharp but he locates it really well.

Arroyo has No. 1 starter type stuff. It's only two starts, but he could be one of the NL's better starting pitchers this season if he continues pitching like he has.

Slider
04-12-2006, 02:26 AM
Not to mention that he's a long ball threat everytime he touches a bat...:D

jhiller21
04-12-2006, 02:48 AM
I've always been impressed with Arroyo's stuff, watching him pitch with Boston. His major weakness is lefties, he just doesn't have the velocity, and his curve is easier to read from the left side.

It's fun watching NL hitters face him for the first time, seeing them freeze up, and grimace as they walk back to the dugout. Given his experience in Boston, Arroyo could prove to be a thorn in the NL's heel this year.

I'm guessing 15-6 3.40 ERA

SirFelixCat
04-12-2006, 03:55 AM
Arroyo, when he's right, gets sick movement on everything he throws. The remarkable thing is he gets movement like that and he's got some control over it.

Mind you, the Cubs can make you look better than you perhaps are, but Arroyo has legitimate stuff. For those who were worried about his K rate, hopefully seeing the quality of his pitches has helped ease that fear a bit.


Definitely encouraged. I was one of the biggest "worriers" about that and color me very much impressed thus far. I hope he continues to show that last year was an aberration:beerme: :thumbup:

KronoRed
04-12-2006, 04:00 AM
Not to mention that he's a long ball threat everytime he touches a bat...:D
Should bat cleanup ;)

dman
04-12-2006, 07:49 AM
On a side note, he also seems to be making a positive adjustment to being traded to the Reds. In the couple of interviews I've heard, he seems to really like his team mates and Jerry Narron pretty well.

Maldez
04-12-2006, 10:03 AM
It looks like Wayne Krivsky did his homework well. If Bronson pitches even close to Tuesday's level for the rest of the season, the Pena/Arroyo trade will prove a major coup for Cincy.

Not only is this guy a good arm, he's fun to watch and is quickly becoming a fan fave. Nice job, Wayne!

Chip R
04-12-2006, 10:10 AM
I have found out the secret to Arroyo's power hitting surge. ;)

http://www.narronprohitting.com/

redsmetz
04-12-2006, 10:37 AM
Not to mention that he's a long ball threat everytime he touches a bat...:D

Which makes his first two performances so stellar especially yesterday's game. While we're hitting six homers, he doesn't give up any.

Johnny Footstool
04-12-2006, 10:40 AM
Funny how first impressions can form an opinion.

I've been very impressed with his breaking stuff thusfar. When it's working, it's nasty.

But it's two starts, folks. Against the Cubs. Let's not hand him the Cy Young award just yet.

redsmetz
04-12-2006, 10:42 AM
Which makes his first two performances so stellar especially yesterday's game. While we're hitting six homers, he doesn't give up any.

I should read for comprehension before posting - didn't see the word "bat" - :doh:

Spitball
04-12-2006, 11:18 AM
The guy has shown a nice feel for smart pitching. He gets batters looking for that curve and then zips his fastball in there on either side of the plate. His fastball has the effects of a 95 mph fastball when the batter is sitting on a curve. I love watching pitchers who out-think and set-up batters.

Some felt that the Reds should have gotten a younger, more talented pitcher for Pena, but Arroyo is really what the Reds need. He has gone through the development stage and has matured into a polished pitcher who is signed for three years. A younger pitcher would have taken a couple of years to develop then priced himself out of Cincinnati. Also, this organization has a poor track record in developing starting pitchers, and the ballpark will not make future matters much better.

Arroyo has been there with Pedro, Schilling, and Wells. Now it is his turn to be the old sage, teaching the youngsters how to use the mind with the arm.

Falls City Beer
04-12-2006, 11:21 AM
But it's two starts, folks.

Really?

I'd say it's two seasons (pitching in baseball's Division of the Titans).

M2
04-12-2006, 11:40 AM
Funny how first impressions can form an opinion.

I've been very impressed with his breaking stuff thusfar. When it's working, it's nasty.

But it's two starts, folks. Against the Cubs. Let's not hand him the Cy Young award just yet.

And that's justified caution. Heck, it would be surprising if Arroyo got a single honorable mention vote for Cy Young at the end of the year.

What his performance so far has done, hopefully, is comfort some skeptics (and there was a lot of justified skepticism concerning Arroyo) that perhaps he can be the 200 IP, above average guy the Reds need him to be. Arroyo likely won't be a dominator, but now that people have seen him it should open the door to the notion that the Reds have got themselves a generally reliable major league starter.

Johnny Footstool
04-12-2006, 11:46 AM
And that's justified caution. Heck, it would be surprising if Arroyo got a single honorable mention vote for Cy Young at the end of the year.

What his performance so far has done, hopefully, is comfort some skeptics (and there was a lot of justified skepticism concerning Arroyo) that perhaps he can be the 200 IP, above average guy the Reds need him to be. Arroyo likely won't be a dominator, but now that people have seen him it should open the door to the notion that the Reds have got themselves a generally reliable major league starter.

It has certainly made me feel better about the trade. Just not to the point where I'm ready to declare him a number one starting pitcher.


Really?

I'd say it's two seasons (pitching in baseball's Division of the Titans).

Two good starts versus two seasons of league-average pitching. So you understand my skepticism.

Falls City Beer
04-12-2006, 11:56 AM
It has certainly made me feel better about the trade. Just not to the point where I'm ready to declare him a number one starting pitcher.



Two good starts versus two seasons of league-average pitching. So you understand my skepticism.


But no one on this site claimed he was "Cy Young" material. You understand my calling out your "false dilemma."

SeeinRed
04-12-2006, 12:46 PM
Arroyo wasn't brought here to win a Cy Young award, just to improve the staff. Arroyo may not be Cy Young material, but WMP isn't going to win MVP anytime soon either, let alone a Gold Glove. (they should make an emoticon of a baseball bouncing off a glove and over a fence... it would work great here) We'll see how it turns out, but I think it was a good trade for the Reds.

Johnny Footstool
04-12-2006, 01:36 PM
But no one on this site claimed he was "Cy Young" material. You understand my calling out your "false dilemma."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm

Falls City Beer
04-12-2006, 01:44 PM
So was all the hyperbole about how bad Arroyo is also sarcasm?

traderumor
04-12-2006, 02:16 PM
Where's the popcorn eating smilie when you need him/her (are smilies neuter?)

Johnny Footstool
04-12-2006, 02:17 PM
So was all the hyperbole about how bad Arroyo is also sarcasm?

Yeah, his declining K/9 rate in 2005 was just sarcasm. ;)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sarcasm+detector

TeamBoone
04-12-2006, 03:12 PM
I also like the fact that Arroyo doesn't mess around on the mound. He pitches quickly, does his job, and then trots to the dugout.

KronoRed
04-12-2006, 03:32 PM
I also like the fact that Arroyo doesn't mess around on the mound. He pitches quickly, does his job, and then trots to the dugout.
But you really can't blame the other pitchers, they are so used to being out thee for so long they don't know how to work quickly ;)

westofyou
04-12-2006, 03:51 PM
Mind you, the Cubs can make you look better than you perhaps are, Swinging teams that can't take a walk are not the ultimate lithmus test. But taming them is great, because you have to beat up on those types.

M2
04-12-2006, 04:00 PM
Swinging teams that can't take a walk are not the ultimate lithmus test. But taming them is great, because you have to beat up on those types.

Exactly, though they're probably a better test for Arroyo than a guy like, say, A.J. Burnett, because Bronson's in the strike zone on a regular basis.