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WebScorpion
04-13-2006, 02:54 PM
Reds record when Freel starts = 4-0;
Reds record when Freel doesn't start = 1-3

Coincidence? I don't think so, but then I don't make the lineup card. Also, if you want to split up the lefties (Griffey and Dunn) use someone who could use the protection like Encarnacion or Kearns. Those guys will really mash stuck between the big boppers. Aurilia in that spot is a waste. Just my opinion. :D

KronoRed
04-13-2006, 03:11 PM
Freel makes stuff happen, like wins :D

Spitball
04-13-2006, 03:22 PM
I agree. Freel needs to start. I'd love to see him everyday in leftfield, Dunn at first, and Phillips at second. I can see not starting certain players on a daily basis if they have holes in their game and would hurt the team if they played every day, but I don't see that with Freel. His defense is not strong, but stick him in one position (leftfield) and let him work on his fielding excusively at that position. He could be very passable leftfielder because he is fast enough to cover the position and outrun his mistakes.

I'm not even certain why the lefties have to be split up unless there is a dominating lefty specialist rested and waiting in the opposition's bullpen. If you push Dunn back a spot in the line-up, you could prevent him from batting several times a season (his last at bat) against righty closers. It would not be fun to watch Aurilia strike out for the final out against Brad Lidge or Jason Isringhausen with Dunn in the in deck circle

KronoRed
04-13-2006, 03:28 PM
I agree. Freel needs to start. I'd love to see him everyday in leftfield, Dunn at first, and Phillips at second
:clap:

Such would be a good defensive lineup as well.

kbrake
04-13-2006, 08:12 PM
Seriously this little league crap about how everyone needs to play has to go. If Womack or Aurilia gets pissed because they are not getting enough playing time than Krivsky needs to unload them and if cant trade them then just let them go. Womack can go not get on base somewhere else. I do like Rich platooning with Hatteberg so far, but we will have to see how it goes.

GullyFoyle
04-13-2006, 10:01 PM
Reds record when Freel starts = 4-0;
Reds record when Freel doesn't start = 1-3

Not that I disagree with the idea, but aren't the Reds 6-0 when Aurillia starts?:)

kbrake
04-13-2006, 10:16 PM
Not that I disagree with he idea, but aren't the Reds 6-0 when Aurillia starts?

So the obvious answer becomes play Aurilia everyday at first and Freel everyday at second. We will never lose again. ;)

redsrule2500
04-13-2006, 10:21 PM
Yes, Freel should play everyday or at least near it.

WVPacman
04-14-2006, 12:53 AM
So the obvious answer becomes play Aurilia everyday at first and Freel everyday at second. We will never lose again. ;)


I say put Dunn at 1st,Aurilia at 2nd,and Freel in left!!;)

reds44
04-14-2006, 01:14 AM
I don't get what is so hard about this. Dunn booted (another) ball today in left field, and Hatteberg is hitting .150.

Put Freel in left, and Dunn at 1st and it imrpoves your defense AND offense. It also almost solves your 2B problem.

When Freel and Lopez are hitting next to each other, good things tend to happen.

KronoRed
04-14-2006, 02:39 AM
Put Freel in left, and Dunn at 1st and it imrpoves your defense AND offense. It also almost solves your 2B problem.

This right now is the best plan, and Aurilia and Womack and can fight it out for 2nd and bat last.

WMR
04-14-2006, 03:30 AM
I like Spitball's idea. Put Phillips at second base, bat him 8th, and leave him alone. He's clearly the best player defensively, young enough to have some real potential, and could truly benefit from consistent ABs. He has a little pop. Losing out on a bit of O out of our 8th spot will have a negligible effect on our overall offensive production and carry along with it some potentially major defensive rewards.

Do it Jerry, DO IT

(at least until we eventually switch Freel and Junior)

reds44
04-14-2006, 03:44 AM
I like Spitball's idea. Put Phillips at second base, bat him 8th, and leave him alone. He's clearly the best player defensively, young enough to have some real potential, and could truly benefit from consistent ABs. He has a little pop. Losing out on a bit of O out of our 8th spot will have a negligible effect on our overall offensive production and carry along with it some potentially major defensive rewards.

Do it Jerry, DO IT

(at least until we eventually switch Freel and Junior)
I wouldn't be object to that at all, but Jerry won't do it. Although RA really isn't a 2B for us, he is more of a CIF so BP would probably start vs. lefties and would be the backup SS. That is all assuming you would put Dunn in 1st and Freel in LF.

Womack will eventually play his way out of 2nd base no matter what happens.

GAC
04-14-2006, 03:56 AM
Not that I disagree with the idea, but aren't the Reds 6-0 when Aurillia starts?:)

Yep. Not that I am saying RA should start every day though. Though I have not been that impressed with Hatteberg at 1B so far.

2B should be a tandem of Freel and Phillips.

After giving this much deliberation and personal reflection... and with Griffey's "volatility".... Dunn's mediocre defense in the OF (though it is still very early in the season)...

I am kinda warming to the idea of giving Denorfia a shot in the OF (LF) and moving Dunn to 1B.

But that is contingent on the fact that we dump Womack and open up a roster spot.

But it's probably never gonna happen because, as much as I like Krivsky, he seems very apprehensive of "dumping" anyone (that would be an admission of making a wrong decision). He thus has "forced" this hodgepodge of players onto Narron, and Narron has adopted this approach (or solution) that he has to give these guys playing time to keep them happy.

Not a good situation to be in IMO.

I've not followed the situation that closely; but I don't understand the choice of Abad over Denorfia.

Guacarock
04-14-2006, 04:38 AM
I wouldn't move Dunn to 1B. Couple of reasons.

1. If he was willing to make the transition to 1B, it should already have happened. Casey's gone. Dunn supposedly spent the off-season preparing for such a move. But when the 2006 season opened, Dunn remained a fixture in LF. Either he wanted it that way or else the Reds' front office decided he was better suited remaining in LF. Why? Maybe 1B is earmarked for Griffey in the not-so-distant-future. Maybe a trade or free-agent acquisition is pending to bring on board a more natural and long-range 1B. Maybe the braintrust has figured: If you're going to sacrifice defense for offense, LF is the perfect place to deposit a Home Run King who has defensive shortcomings.

2. Why mess with Dunn's biorthyms when he's got a .450 OBP and .871 slugging average? The only possible argument for doing so is to make room on a daily basis for Freel, who has an astronomical and unsustainable OBP of .586 so far this season. But Freel can man 2B. He hasn't committed an error there yet and he can always be spelled late in games by up-and-coming defense phenom Phillips. True, to see if Phillips can eventually become a regular, he'll need to get at least 175-300 at bats in 2006. That can happen by playing him quasi-regularly at 2B and every so often at SS to give Lopez a breather. When Phillips plays 2B, Freel's versatility can be tapped, and he can move to LF, CF or 3B to give Dunn, Junior or Encarnacion a blow.

3. Yes, Hatteberg's batting average is below the Mendoza line, but so far, his OBP is .478, ahead of Dunn and second among all the regulars and quasi-regulars to only Freel. He has not exactly set the world on fire or defied gravity, but he has out-Caseyed Casey, proving to be a 1B who can get on base a lot without necessarily exhibiting much power or knocking in lots of runs. Considering his age and move to a new league, he's been a decent-enough transitional guy, an OK platoon player to start the season. He's drawn eight walks, so you have to figure he's causing his fair share of aggravation for opposing pitchers.

4. That brings us to Aurilia and Womack. Both are not bad bench options, but neither really deserves a full-time, starting berth. Aurilia's OBP is .226 -- below his norm, but not unexpected. Womack is getting on base more, but doesn't have Aurilia's power or versatility to play all IF positions. If you ask me, neither Aurilia nor Womack should be in a position to steal at bats from Dunn, Freel or even Hatteberg. For the time being, I'd just leave Dunn in LF, Freel at 2B and Hatteberg at 1B for the majority of games. Let Aurilia and Womack compete, not so much with the starters, as with each other to see who is our better bench option. In another month or two, one of them should have clearly staked a claim, while the other should be gone -- replaced on the roster by Denorfia.

BRM
04-14-2006, 10:29 AM
This right now is the best plan, and Aurilia and Womack and can fight it out for 2nd and bat last.

Hey, Aurilia is the cleanup hitter against LH pitchers. Learn to love it!!! :p:

reds44
04-14-2006, 12:29 PM
I wouldn't move Dunn to 1B. Couple of reasons.

1. If he was willing to make the transition to 1B, it should already have happened.

While true, if you had been moving Dunn from 1B to LF, it wouldn't have worked either. He is a just a bad fielder no matter where you put him, but you can hide him better at 1B.

Hattteberg is a BAD defensive 1st baseman as it is.

WMR
04-14-2006, 02:04 PM
The biggest fan of a move of Dunn back to 1st base, IMO, would be EE. Their wing spans aren't even comparable. A couple throws that EE "sailed" a bit would have been handled easily by Dunn, IMO.

WMR
04-14-2006, 02:05 PM
Not to mention FeLo can still be a bit... hmmm, shall we say "adventurous" at times with his throws. ;)

KronoRed
04-14-2006, 02:33 PM
Hey, Aurilia is the cleanup hitter against LH pitchers. Learn to love it!!! :p:
:( I know.

How bout Dunn to 3rd? :evil:

IslandRed
04-14-2006, 02:48 PM
I wouldn't be object to that at all, but Jerry won't do it. Although RA really isn't a 2B for us, he is more of a CIF so BP would probably start vs. lefties and would be the backup SS. That is all assuming you would put Dunn in 1st and Freel in LF.

Womack will eventually play his way out of 2nd base no matter what happens.

Exactly. So far Aurilia has been in the field for 54 innings. Two, count 'em, two have been at second base and none at shortstop. It's about time to take him out of the discussion of middle-infield playing time. Freel will get his starts, if not as full-time as we'd like... my sense is, if Krivsky likes what he sees with Phillips, he'll feel free to send Womack on down the road.