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nkufan
04-15-2006, 01:01 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows what the starters combined era is this season?

M2
04-15-2006, 01:02 PM
4.25

nkufan
04-15-2006, 01:05 PM
thanks m2 thats bad and if i recall the bullpen has let a few inherted runners score too

Patrick Bateman
04-15-2006, 01:11 PM
That's actually very good for us. Now if the bullpen can do anything decent we may be able to surprise some people.

nkufan
04-15-2006, 01:16 PM
my fault guys i forgot to put the not im my reply i think is great for the reds. It is prolly in the middle 3s without opening day

RedFanAlways1966
04-15-2006, 01:51 PM
M2 is overstating it a bit! :) The REDS starter's ERA is 3.77 after 10 games.
* 62 IP, 26 ER, 60 H, 47 K, 10 BB, 8 HRA. 1.13 WHIP.

Bullpen
* 27 IP, 19 ER, 34 H, 24 K, 14 BB. 6.33 ERA, 1.78 WHIP.

4.55 Team ERA.

Without Opening Day, the starters are:
* 57 IP, 20 ER, 3.16 ERA, 1.02 WHIP.

RedsManRick
04-15-2006, 01:57 PM
That 4.7:1 strikeout to walk ratio (and corresponding 1.13 WHIP) is the most promising thing I see. The homers don't hurt nearly as much when you aren't putting people on base for free. I must say I was very pessimistic about our chances last night and was pleasantly surprised.

It seems like Narron is increasingly using Coffey in high leverage situations, setting him up to take over the closers role down the road. Of course, he's going to need to maintain his K rate if he's going to close. Last year's abysmal K rate will not get it done.

nkufan
04-15-2006, 02:06 PM
If are team era stay between 4.25 and 4.50 we hang around all season. I have confidence in weathers, coffey, and mercker. We need two more people to step and the other 2 can be long relief. I know I am stating the obvious bet if the starters keep going 6 or 7 innings the backend bullpen are all that really matter.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 04:47 PM
Dave Williams brings the starters ERA up a notch... sigh.

UPRedsFan
04-15-2006, 06:21 PM
4.43 after 11 games now.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 06:23 PM
Even is bad as Williams was and is likely to remain the starting pitching is a ways down the list of problems that needs to be addressed.

M2
04-15-2006, 08:15 PM
Even is bad as Williams was and is likely to remain the starting pitching is a ways down the list of problems that needs to be addressed.

It remains #1 for me. The team can improve the defense simply by deploying players already in the fold. And I'm not one who thinks it makes sense for a team like the Reds to make high profile bullpen moves. What the team needs to do on that front is start collecting arms. In the meantime, acquiring more starting talent remains critical. Whether it's biding time to get into the Dontrelle Willis market or snatching up a prospect from a franchise that needs a major league bat today (hello L.A., Houston and Minnesota), I recommend monomania.

Falls City Beer
04-15-2006, 08:17 PM
It remains #1 for me. The team can improve the defense simply by deploying players already in the fold. And I'm not one who thinks it makes sense for a team like the Reds to make high profile bullpen moves. What the team needs to do on that front is start collecting arms. In the meantime, acquiring more starting talent remains critical. Whether it's biding time to get into the Dontrelle Willis market or snatching up a prospect from a franchise that needs a major league bat today (hello L.A., Houston and Minnesota), I recommend monomania.

Moi aussi.

Improve the starters--and by virtue of that you improve the bullpen, the defense.....

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 08:29 PM
And I'm not one who thinks it makes sense for a team like the Reds to make high profile bullpen moves.

Starting pitchng solves lots of bullpen problems -- when your starters go 7 a night, you can rotate 2-3 guys in setup and have 1 guy closing games out. I think the Reds could manage a decent bullpen of some combination of Weathers, Mercker, Coffey and Shackleford that would win them a lot of ballgames if it was coupled with 5 starters that could throw 7 innings of competitive ball per night.

It's when you get outings like today from your starting pitching that your bullpen gets exposed. Improve the starting pitching and that ceases to be a problem.

Plus, it wouldn't hurt the Reds to play a little prospect shuffling -- move some trash starting pieces like Germano and Ramirez and acquire some AA arms in return. Move guys that the team DOESN'T project as starters but who are still starting (and, thus overvalued) and exchange them for more advanced bullpen-type pitchers.

2001MUgrad
04-15-2006, 09:19 PM
The Reds starters have a new and fresh look from game to game so far this year. They seem to be able to keep hitters off balance. The biggest knock on them is that they continue to give up a ton of homers. As long as no one is on base its not that big of a problem. It would be great if they could add a true power pitcher to the starting rotation, actually to the pitching staff in general. I really like how Arroyo and Harang look when they are on. Both of those guys just need to be careful and either keep the ball low or if sneaking a high ball in there make sure its HIGH!

Overall 4 of the 5 have looked pretty good so far. You have to be pleased with the progress thus far of Claussen and as long as the Milton of the first half of the season last year stays away it could be a good year.

M2
04-15-2006, 09:46 PM
Plus, it wouldn't hurt the Reds to play a little prospect shuffling -- move some trash starting pieces like Germano and Ramirez and acquire some AA arms in return. Move guys that the team DOESN'T project as starters but who are still starting (and, thus overvalued) and exchange them for more advanced bullpen-type pitchers.

Smashing good idea. That's exactly the kind of thing the Reds should be contemplating. Find someone else who likes pitchability and exchange it for some juice.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 10:31 PM
It remains #1 for me. The main problems now are the pen and defense. Both could be addressed with players in house.

So in the short term(to help the team now) starting pitcher is not the #1 problem. In the long term it is, especially since most good relievers are failed starters. I certainly wouldn't advocate trading anything of value for a reliever. Guys like German, with some potential pass through waivers quite often.

The current management seems fascinated with control pitchers who have no upside.