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reds44
04-15-2006, 02:10 PM
Freel CF
Lopez SS
Dunn LF
Aurilia 2B
Hatteberg 1B
Encarnacion 3B
Kearns RF
Valentin C
Williams P

Eckstein SS
Taguchi CF
Pujols 1B
Rolen 3B
Encarnacion RF
Molina C
Luna 2B
Schumaker LF
Ponson P

http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20050810wg_bucs_dwilliamsPJ_230.jpg vs. http://i.esmas.com/image/0/000/003/968/ponsonNT_.jpg
Dave Williams (0-1, 3.00 ERA) vs. Sydney Ponson (0-0, 5.40 ERA)

Red Stocking
04-15-2006, 02:11 PM
Just don't make any mistakes to Rolen or Pujols...

RedsManRick
04-15-2006, 02:13 PM
Kearns 7th... c'mon Narron. Let him out of the dog-house already.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 02:18 PM
where's Tony the Tiger?

reds44
04-15-2006, 02:19 PM
where's Tony the Tiger?
Batted 8th yesterday, and not at all today. Maybe Narron is seeing the light.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 02:20 PM
Batted 8th yesterday, and not at all today. Maybe Narron is seeing the light.maybe he didn't like that bunt with Valentin on 2nd and Harang coming up. That was one of the dumbest plays I have seen in awhile.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 02:23 PM
Times to move Kearns to 4th.

RedFanAlways1966
04-15-2006, 02:23 PM
FLASHBACK... June 12, 2005. REDS vs. Orioles.

REDS win 10-6. Ponson is the Orioles starter and takes the loss.

* 6IP, 11H, 7ER, 3K, 1BB, 2 HRA (Aurilia, 3R HR & Griffey, 2R HR).

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 02:24 PM
where's Tony the Tiger?
http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/serv_error.gif
Talk about a scrappy vet

flyer85
04-15-2006, 02:26 PM
http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/serv_error.gif
Talk about a scrappy vetHE'S GRRRREAT

GAC
04-15-2006, 02:29 PM
Batted 8th yesterday, and not at all today. Maybe Narron is seeing the light.

Don't count on that. He's just trying to keep guys happy with playing time.

Benny-Distefano
04-15-2006, 02:29 PM
where's Tony the Tiger?


On the bench I hope, only pinch hitting when Arroyo isnt available. :D

kyred14
04-15-2006, 02:29 PM
If this was 2001, Dunn would have some good protection in that lineup

BUTLER REDSFAN
04-15-2006, 02:34 PM
so how long does "Stiffness" behind the knee last???---also ponson looks like lex luthor

Redmachine2003
04-15-2006, 02:35 PM
Still no JR and he lights up Ponson when they face each other.

reds44
04-15-2006, 02:39 PM
Junior's knee is starting to worry me.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 02:44 PM
He'd play if we had the DH ;)

reds44
04-15-2006, 02:45 PM
"Not an injury"

Then what is it?

Casey_21
04-15-2006, 02:45 PM
Ummmm... Can Hatte and Kearns switch spots, PLEASE!!!!! :bang:

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 02:46 PM
"Not an injury"

Then what is it?
It's an injury and they just don't want to say so.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 02:50 PM
Junior's knee is starting to worry me.I was worried before the season started. Counting on Jr to play more than 100 games seemed like a losing proposition. Now he has a leg problem that is "minor". Of course the Reds have never underplayed a Jr injury.

RedsManRick
04-15-2006, 02:52 PM
They just don't want to play Junior. "His power really is valuable coming off the bench." Narron was quoted as saying this morning. "Besides, if he plays, he might get hurt. This way we can keep him healthy."

Hey, at least they're consistent.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 02:53 PM
They just don't want to play Junior. "His power really is valuable coming off the bench." Narron was quoted as saying this morning. I guess Dunn will be joining him there shortly.

Of course my prediction was Jr would sit a week before going on the DL.

reds44
04-15-2006, 02:55 PM
What is up with Williams' shirt??

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 02:57 PM
It's an injury and they just don't want to say so.

Someone cynical might say that they're going to keep him "day to day" through the weekend so that people planning to come to the ballpark for their short 3 game homestand don't potentially lose interest because Griffey is on the DL....

Oh yeah, and Sidney Ponson looks like Kurt Angle after a run in with a Chinese Buffet or four.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 02:59 PM
Someone cynical might say that they're going to keep him "day to day" through the weekend so that people planning to come to the ballpark for their short 3 game homestand don't potentially lose interest because Griffey is on the DL....

Hmm... conspiracy.

I agree :D

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:00 PM
Hmm... conspiracy.

I agree :DIt'll give Larue a spot on the roster without having to release a scrappy vet.

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:00 PM
I looked at this lineup and threw something. When on earth is JN going to move Aurilia and Hatteberg out of the 4/5 spots? It freaking makes me angry because it's STUPID!

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:02 PM
They just don't want to play Junior. "His power really is valuable coming off the bench." Narron was quoted as saying this morning. "Besides, if he plays, he might get hurt. This way we can keep him healthy."

Hey, at least they're consistent.

Historically, how many times has KGJr proven to management that he's not a pinch hitter? He even says it himself.... and I read somewhere that they listen to Jr. Hah!

GAC
04-15-2006, 03:02 PM
Has there ever been a game thread where complaining about the lineup wasn't predominant? :lol:

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:02 PM
I looked at this lineup and threw something. When on earth is JN going to move Aurilia and Hatteberg out of the 4/5 spots? It freaking makes me angry because it's STUPID!Dunn needs their protection :evil:

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:04 PM
Anybody else getting these wierd noises on mlb.tv?

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:04 PM
I looked at this lineup and threw something. When on earth is JN going to move Aurilia and Hatteberg out of the 4/5 spots? It freaking makes me angry because it's STUPID!

JERRY NARRON: Goooood! Gooood! I can feel your hatred. Now, take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant!

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:04 PM
Dunn needs their protection :evil:

Yeah, right.

Sorry. I'm still angry.

I'd love to hear his explanation for this. He hasn't given one and I've missed it has he?

GAC
04-15-2006, 03:04 PM
But I will add....

batting Kearns 8th is pretty ridiculous.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:05 PM
Yeah, right.

Sorry. I'm still angry.

I'd love to hear his explanation for this. He hasn't given one and I've missed it has he?
EE and AK aren't old enough.

If you want to split up the lefties and righties why not do

Freel
Lopez
Kearns
Dunn
Enc
Hatteberg
RA
Valentin
Williams

?????

RedsManRick
04-15-2006, 03:07 PM
Upon further questioning, Narron clarified his earlier statements, "Well, unfortunately we can't keep both Junior and Freel on the bench. Luckily this allignment allows us to get Aurilia in there at 2B which really helps us up the middle."

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:08 PM
Has there ever been a game thread where complaining about the lineup wasn't predominant? :lol:
Nope, and that's all on management :D

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:08 PM
But I will add....

batting Kearns 8th is pretty ridiculous.
He needs protection from the pitcher.

Gizmo
04-15-2006, 03:11 PM
He needs protection from the pitcher.

not totally unbelievable the way our pitchers have been hitting.

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:16 PM
I looked at this lineup and threw something. When on earth is JN going to move Aurilia and Hatteberg out of the 4/5 spots? It freaking makes me angry because it's STUPID!

Hatteberg is 8-16 all-time vs. Jabba Ponson.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:18 PM
Freel grounds out

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:18 PM
No Jim Brown today!

GAC
04-15-2006, 03:18 PM
we got a few in chat. ;)

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:19 PM
Upon further questioning, Narron clarified his earlier statements, "Well, unfortunately we can't keep both Junior and Freel on the bench. Luckily this allignment allows us to get Aurilia in there at 2B which really helps us up the middle."

That no explanation for the batting order. I especially *like* the "luckily" part.

(Truly, I'm not killing the messenger even though it may come across that way)

Freel
Lopez
Dunn
Kearns
Aurilia
EE
Hatteberg
Valentin

It spreads the power throughout the order and to me is a lot more tough for the opposing pitcher.

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:19 PM
Hatteberg is 8-16 all-time vs. Jabba Ponson.

That was then; this is now.

LvJ
04-15-2006, 03:19 PM
not totally unbelievable the way our pitchers have been hitting. I hear Arroyo is taking grounders at 2nd. ;)

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:19 PM
2 down

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:19 PM
Lopez grounds out to 2nd. 2 out.

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
That no explanation for the batting order. I especially *like* the "luckily" part.

(Truly, I'm not killing the messenger even though it may come across that way)

Freel
Lopez
Dunn
Kearns
Aurilia
EE
Hatteberg
Valentin

It spreads the power throughout the order and to me is a lot more tough for the opposing pitcher.

Switch EZ-E and Rich, and you got it right.

Casey_21
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
EE and AK aren't old enough.

If you want to split up the lefties and righties why not do

Freel
Lopez
Kearns
Dunn
Enc
Hatteberg
RA
Valentin
Williams

?????

I'm lovin' that line-up, 44. :thumbup:

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
JN, I hope you prove to me that this is the right decision (how many times already in the past two weeks?). I will gladly kiss your feet; but so far, I don't see that it's been working.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
Dunn :clap:

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
Dunn homers to right. 1-0 Reds!!

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
Dunn hits a long HR!

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:21 PM
I think we should keep Dunn 3rd.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Adam Bomb!!!!

GAC
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Dunn HR

1-0 Reds

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Switch EZ-E and Rich, and you got it right.

I was trying to sandwich the weaker hitters between those that were better, but I see your point. I don't like RA and EE back to back.

MartyFan
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
See, the lineup works in threes

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Sigh.. why can't anyone get on in front of Dunn?

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
HR DUNN!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Wally Post - 172
10. Adam Dunn - 164
11. Gus Bell - 160
12. Joe Morgan - 152
12. Pete Rose - 152
14. Lee May - 147
15. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 140
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Chip R
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Dunn.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Aurilia flies out to right. 1-0 Reds mid 1st.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Good vet at bat

membengal
04-15-2006, 03:22 PM
Mike Shanon on Card's broadcast on that HR call:

"Swing. That's a home run. Wow. That's way out of here."

His voice never changed inflection...

RedsManRick
04-15-2006, 03:23 PM
Ha! Great home run call by the Cards announcers.

"Swing and a home run." Extremely matter of fact. Would've said "Swing and a grounder to short" with the exact same inflection. Oddly, it painted a much clearer picture than one of those hyper cub-esque calls...

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:24 PM
And my honey goes yard! (that cheers me up a bit)

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:24 PM
I was trying to sandwich the weaker hitters between those that were better, but I see your point.

Rich isn't that weak--he can hold is own. Besides, I think you should cluster your best hitters together, to improve your chances of scoring when they come to bat.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:24 PM
well, the game starts. Does that mean we can quit complaining about the other stuff?:D

RedsIn07
04-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Was that the first HR at New Busch?

TylerScottDavis
04-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Dunn ties Berkman for the NL HR lead w/ 6...one behind Chris Shelton??? for the ML lead

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Eckstein grounds out to 3rd on a 1-1 pitch. 1 out.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:25 PM
well, the game starts. Does that mean we can quit complaining about the other stuff?:D
Till it breaks :devil:

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:25 PM
I think Cincy needs to get a "lineup coach" to work under Narron.

Nice work Adam....we should try and have Ponson out of here pronto. Work the count and get to the bullpen so they are strained for tomorrow. 19 pitches in the first.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Nice pick by EzE

vaticanplum
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Was that the first HR at New Busch?

Pujols had one first game, I think...did you mean for us?

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Was that the first HR at New Busch?
no

Bill Hall

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Dbl

TeamBoone
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Rich isn't that weak--he can hold is own. Besides, I think you should cluster your best hitters together, to improve your chances of scoring when they come to bat.

You're right. My disappointment was clouding my judgement.

And yes, flyer, I'll shut up now.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Taguchi doubles off the left field wall just behind Dunn.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Mike Shanon on Card's broadcast on that HR call:

"Swing. That's a home run. Wow. That's way out of here."

His voice never changed inflection...I got to hear the Cub calls of Dunns HR in Chicago. Fly to ... going back ... gone. Completely nonchalant.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Sad. Dave Williams gives up a near homerun to the worst player in baseball.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
That ball carried

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Ha! Great home run call by the Cards announcers.

"Swing and a home run." Extremely matter of fact. Would've said "Swing and a grounder to short" with the exact same inflection. Oddly, it painted a much clearer picture than one of those hyper cub-esque calls...

Ron Santo would be slashing his wrists right now.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:26 PM
Sad. Dave Williams gives up a near homerun to the worst player in baseball.
Nah that is Aaron Miles

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:27 PM
It sure doesn't look like Williams has any stuff. Jamie Moyer minus the great change

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:27 PM
No it's Womack ;)

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:27 PM
Walk

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:27 PM
Pujols walks on 4 pitches. 1st and 2nd with one out.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:28 PM
The gun has Williams throwing 83-84 mph fastballs. That is pretty scary

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:28 PM
Pujols is a moron. Stupid throws the bat.

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:28 PM
Walk

The good 'ol Luke Hudson 4 Pitch Special.

The OBP's best friend.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:29 PM
Ron Santo would be slashing his wrists right now.Santo would punctuate the HR call with "GEEEZ".

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:29 PM
Don't walk him.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:29 PM
Is it just me or is Dave leavin the ball up?

Walkerforpres
04-15-2006, 03:29 PM
The audio on WLW sounds like the fans in Busch are loudly booing every moment. heh.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:29 PM
Walk..bases loaded.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
On a 3-1 pitch Rolen walks. Bases loaded for J. Encarnacion.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
Plate is hiding from Dave

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
ugh.. walk to load em up.. 1 out..

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
Chris, when your fastball is sitting at 81(like to Rolen) you better be picking at the corners.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
Nice shades on Harang

RedsManRick
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
According the game tracker Williams is all over the place. This could get ugly.

jhiller21
04-15-2006, 03:30 PM
Williams throwing 81 mph heaters with what appears to be no control whatsoever. :help:

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
This Cardinals lineup has two major league hitters in it.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Is it just me or is Dave leavin the ball up?I think he's afraid to challenge the hitters.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Thank goodness for pop ups.

CrackerJack
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
2 down...cmon Davey

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
J. Encarnacion pops out to 1st on a 1-0 pitch. 2 outs.

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Cardinals fans staight HATE Juan Encarnacion!

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Huge pitch!

TheBigLebowski
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Juan pops out to 2nd. Maybe Dave can wriggle out of this.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Thank goodness for pop ups.thank goodness for Juan

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:32 PM
Does anyone else think DWill will be a long relief/situational lefty/mop up guy before June? May?

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:32 PM
Cardinals fans staight HATE Juan Encarnacion!
They should trade him for Dempster

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:32 PM
George, they didn't beat us last night....

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:32 PM
Plate is hiding from Dave

The plate was looking for a good hiding spot that it was unlikely to be found in, so it just thought to itself "I wonder where Dave Williams' talent went?" and wandered off there.

CrackerJack
04-15-2006, 03:32 PM
bah

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:32 PM
2 rbi single

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:33 PM
Molina lines a single to left center. 2-1 Cards

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:33 PM
2-1

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:33 PM
Sad. Just sad. Any pitcher who gives up hits to So Taguchi and Yadier Molina should consider retiring and finding a new occupation.

TheBigLebowski
04-15-2006, 03:33 PM
damnit

CTA513
04-15-2006, 03:33 PM
The Reds give Williams a lead and he does the best that he can to give it up.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Single to left..3-1

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Luna lines a single to left on a 2-0 pitch. 3-1 Cards

CrackerJack
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Williams throwing meat balls

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
3-1

jhiller21
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Williams is doing his best Glendon Rusch impression, it's gonna be a long day folks.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
He's either really high or throwing junk down the middle

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Nothing quite like getting past Rolen and Pujols to let the punch and judy hitters beat you.

I predict we'll see quite a bit of Matt Belisle today.

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
They should trade him for Dempster

We lost all the way around on those transactions:

Trading Dmitri Young to Detroit for Juan Encarnacion: advantage Tigers
Trading Encarnacion to Florida for Ryan Dempster: advantage Marlins

We kept trading down.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
come on williams, if he can control the damage to 2 runs, i'll be happy.. we're up against sidney freaking ponson.. we should be able to CRUSH him.

Trace's Daddy
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Pull him? :bang:

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Tauchi
Molina
Luna

sad

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Hector Luna. :laugh:

Dave Williams is getting hammered by arguably the worst lineup in the NL. He just has to worry about two hitters in this lineup.

TheBigLebowski
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
geez, Williams sucks. Hector Luna????

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Sad. Just sad. Any pitcher who gives up hits to So Taguchi and Yadier Molina should consider retiring and finding a new occupation.

What should he do now since Luna got a hit?

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:35 PM
Good grief the cards have a lot of chaff in their lineup.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:35 PM
Skip Schumaker? Geezus.. letting no names beat ya..

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:35 PM
We lost all the way around on those transactions:

Trading Dmitri Young to Detroit for Juan Encarnacion: advantage Tigers
Trading Encarnacion to Florida for Ryan Dempster: advantage Marlins

We kept trading down.


More about $$$ than talent in those deals.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:35 PM
Schumaker flies out to Dunn on the warning track. 3-1 Cards after 1.

corkedbat
04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
damnit

I loathe Dave "Ugly Junk" Williams. Trade him to LaRussa in the middle of the 2nd.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
Inning over

We're on pace to lose 27-9 ;)

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
Nice grab.

We need to score some runs.

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
We lost all the way around on those transactions:

Trading Dmitri Young to Detroit for Juan Encarnacion: advantage Tigers
Trading Encarnacion to Florida for Ryan Dempster: advantage Marlins

We kept trading down.

But wouldn't it be nice to have Dempster right now?

FlyingPig
04-15-2006, 03:36 PM
anyone seen Paul Wilson?


:help:

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:37 PM
Williams has ... absolutely nothing to get MLB hitters out. 81-84 MPH fastball and a mediocre 76 MPH change with little tumble. There is not enough separation between the fastball and change even if he could hit his spots.

Thanks DanO. I hope the Reds got a jar of vaseline in the deal.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:37 PM
His fastball is laughable.

Low 80s

Casey_21
04-15-2006, 03:37 PM
Is this the 'Pitcher' we got for Casey?

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:37 PM
Hey guys finally here for a game again! For some reason i havent been able to get on :( But im here not :) Lets go Reds!!

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:38 PM
I do feel safe in predicting the Reds will score more than 3.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:38 PM
Was Williams throwing 84MPH heaters in his first start?

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:38 PM
But wouldn't it be nice to have Dempster right now?


Ehhh...I'll pass.

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:38 PM
I'd still want to reverse this trade, even today.

Pirates placed first baseman Sean Casey on the 15-day disabled list with two fractures of the transverse process in his left lower back.

I hope Casey comes back soon.

Casey_21
04-15-2006, 03:38 PM
But wouldn't it be nice to have Dempster right now?

No way.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:38 PM
Is this the 'Pitcher' we got for Casey?the usage of quotes is correct

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Was Williams throwing 84MPH heaters in his first start?
Yeah but the pirates were swinging

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd on a 2-1 pitch. 1 out.

CTA513
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
I guess Williams didnt get the memo about not walking people... both walks scored.

:bang:

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
anyone seen Paul Wilson?


:help:that is scary

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Hatteberg average goes down some more.


He is terrible.

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Good grief the cards have a lot of chaff in their lineup.

I was thinking about that last night while reading back over the game thread when I got in.

Really, this isn't the same "marauder" lineup they fielded over the past few years, especially not when they lost to the Sox in the '04 series. That lineup was positively frightening -- where you (as a pitcher) had to go Walker, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds right through the heart I think Fernando Vina was still around and making noise too.

Now, Pujols is still a monster and Rolen is on the comeback to that status -- but Edmonds just isn't the same (age catching up with him finally) and there's really nobody else in that lineup that makes you shake.

It's a lineup that a good pitcher should be able to get through, if you can avoid giving up free bases.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
I'd still want to reverse this trade, even today.

Pirates placed first baseman Sean Casey on the 15-day disabled list with two fractures of the transverse process in his left lower back.

I hope Casey comes back soon.

Well Dave will help us out to me it seemed alot of those balls in the first inning were heck to close to even say a ball or strike lol:bang:

TheBigLebowski
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Is it just me, or is Scott Hatteberg pretty useless?

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:40 PM
I guess Williams didnt get the memo about not walking people... both walks scored.

:bang:with the way they ripped his offerings over the plate maybe he opted for the lesser of two evils

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:40 PM
Is it just me, or is Scott Hatteberg pretty useless?
Veteran presence.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Is it just me, or is Scott Hatteberg pretty useless?

Sure hasnt done anything but really hasnt hurt us himself but then again Dunn should be playing 1st .....

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Hatteberg average goes down some more.


He is terrible.no, he's scrappy.

Good thing we have the rally killers sandwiched in between Dunn and EE.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Bye Bye EDE

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
I do feel safe in predicting the Reds will score more than 3.

And if they don't, then they probably don't deserve to win. 1-0 games like last night are rare.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
EE k's on a pitch up high

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Encarnacion strikes out swinging on a 3-2 pitch. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Encarnacion chases ball 4. The Reds are making Ponson look like an actual major league pitcher.

I smell a blowout.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Battles back from 0-2 and K's

vaticanplum
04-15-2006, 03:41 PM
I was thinking about that last night while reading back over the game thread when I got in.

Really, this isn't the same "marauder" lineup they fielded over the past few years, especially not when they lost to the Sox in the '04 series. That lineup was positively frightening -- where you (as a pitcher) had to go Walker, Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds right through the heart I think Fernando Vina was still around and making noise too.

Now, Pujols is still a monster and Rolen is on the comeback to that status -- but Edmonds just isn't the same (age catching up with him finally) and there's really nobody else in that lineup that makes you shake.

It's a lineup that a good pitcher should be able to get through, if you can avoid giving up free bases.

CE, all this real knowledge is great and everything, but where is your color commentary? Are you off today?

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:42 PM
Is it just me, or is Scott Hatteberg pretty useless?

I thought walks were good.

Redeye fly
04-15-2006, 03:42 PM
I'm not jumping on the Scott Hatteberg bandwagon. I think one would have to be started first. But to keep things in perspective it seems like he's been robbed or hit balls hard at people a few times so far.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:42 PM
That was not a strike.

Casey_21
04-15-2006, 03:43 PM
I can't believe dudes batting 5th. Good call, Narron. I mean it would have been ridiculous to put Kearns there. :confused:

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:43 PM
This strike zone is freaking me out:bash:

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:43 PM
I smell a blowout.what does that smell like?

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:43 PM
I thought walks were good.
They'll stop walking him once they figure out he can't hit ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:43 PM
Kearns grounds out to 3rd on a 3-2 pitch. 3-1 Cards mid 2nd.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:43 PM
jebus

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:44 PM
I do feel safe in predicting the Reds will score more than 3.

I don't. This lineup has been known to make terrible pitchers look good. Victor Santos. Now Ponson is rolling.

KronoRed
04-15-2006, 03:44 PM
Come on Dave..less then 3 this inning :clap:

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:44 PM
CE, all this real knowledge is great and everything, but where is your color commentary? Are you off today?

I'm on exam sabbatical -- working on getting my Labor Law notes into shape for finals. I shouldn't even be on the game thread today, but I just can't stay away.

Maybe I'll take PBP for one of the games coming up this week. :evil:

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:44 PM
THIS is the Reds I know and (dont really) love.. making Sid Freakin Ponson look like Cy Freakin Young

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:45 PM
I don't. This lineup has been known to make terrible pitchers look good. Victor Santos. Now Ponson is rolling.
Dude.

It has been 2 innings and we have a run.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:45 PM
Come on Dave..less then 3 this inning :clap:

:beerme: way to think positvie

FlyingPig
04-15-2006, 03:45 PM
that is scary


Scary as it sounds..I think I'd rather have Wilson in there instead of Williams..


again...the little guy holding the "help" sign..

:help:

MWM
04-15-2006, 03:45 PM
Anyone catch Wily Mo's misplay of a fly ball today that cost the Sox 2 runs?

He broke in on the ball, then he broke back. It went over his head and ounced into the stands for a ground rule double. Should have been a fairly easy out.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Ponson flies out to center. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Dude.

It has been 2 innings and we have a run.

Ponson has looked great minus the homerun. No other Red has hit the ball.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:46 PM
Ponson flies out

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:46 PM
even Ponson is POed when he misses a Williams meatball.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:47 PM
even Ponson is POed when he misses a Williams meatball.

Stop drilling him remember Miltons first inning ? 2 runs then didnt give any up:eek:

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:47 PM
Eckstein lines a single to right on a 2-1 pitch.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:47 PM
terrible

Big Klu
04-15-2006, 03:47 PM
I think Kearns could have had a play at first. :D

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:48 PM
Bring Belisle in. Williams is horrible.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:48 PM
What the heck? This Strikezone is seriously hurting my head

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:49 PM
these are bad hitters that are smoking Williams. He walked the only good hitters they have.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:49 PM
So :) Lol

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Taguchi strikes out swinging on a 1-2 pitch in the dirt. 2 outs.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:50 PM
K

Casey_21
04-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Anyone catch Wily Mo's misplay of a fly ball today that cost the Sox 2 runs?

He broke in on the ball, then he broke back. It went over his head and ounced into the stands for a ground rule double. Should have been a fairly easy out.

WilyLicious ;) I sure aint missing that..

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:50 PM
I'd much rather see Belisle starting in the 5 spot and Williams go to long relief...

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Home Run Albert

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Pujols hits a 2 run homer down the left field line. 5-1 Cards.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
no chance to get Albert out. That curveball wasn't even a strike.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Williams is not smart When you have the stuff that he does you do not throw him a strike.

Falls City Beer
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
I'd much rather see Belisle starting in the 5 spot and Williams go to long relief...

Yep. Williams is pointless. As I said in another thread. Forget defense, and never ever lose sight of what this team's real problem is: eliminating pitchers from the rotation who give you no chance to win.

This game's over. In the 2nd inning.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
High 70s low 80s fastballs will kill you

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
DWill just got Pu'ed on. Take him out...now.

jhiller21
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Alright, get him out of there.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Lol..

vaticanplum
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Ah.

Reds4Life
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Williams sucks, big time.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:51 PM
Pujols will probably hit two more today.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Great pitch














for Albert to poop on

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:52 PM
How the hell can you get to the majors with a mid 80's fastball ?

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Shoot me all i guess next Bronson will get crushed and you will say take him out... but 2 days ago you said yes we love you bronson

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Guys throwing 81 mph fastballs just don't cut it as starters(or relievers either).

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Rolen walks.

Fullboat
04-15-2006, 03:52 PM
Yikes!!! We need are hitting shoes today.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Get Belisle up

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Shoot me all i guess next Bronson will get crushed and you will say take him out... but 2 days ago you said yes we love you bronson

Are you not watching the game?

Williams is horrible.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Hes going to rebound are you saying Joe Garland sucks because hes gave up tons of runs his first 2 starts??

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Williams is just plain stupid. When you have the stuff that he does you do not throw him a strike.He didn't. That pitch was under his knees and the replay showed it.

cincyinco
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Shoot me all i guess next Bronson will get crushed and you will say take him out... but 2 days ago you said yes we love you bronson

If Williams is serving mid 80's heat all year, we'll have a lot more games like today...

Tornon
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
It was less than 3..

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Dave will be out soon anyway since his pitch count is closing in on 50 already.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Hes going to rebound are you saying Joe Garland sucks because hes gave up tons of runs his first 2 starts??
Yes, he has always sucked besides one good year last year.

Reds Fanatic
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
J. Encarnacion grounds out to 1st. 5-1 Cards after 2.

NatiRedGals
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Yes im watching it anyone can rebound if he dosent give anything more up ill be satisfied even if we lose....

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Hes going to rebound are you saying Joe Garland sucks because hes gave up tons of runs his first 2 starts??

No, we're saying he sucks because he has sucked his whole career...plus he is throwing in the low 80's. Dude has nothing in his arsenal.

pedro
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Looks like we're getting the Dave Williams that pitched in PNC last year, not the one who pitched on the road

Ouch.

reds44
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
It was less than 3..
:laugh:

PuffyPig
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Sad. Just sad. Any pitcher who gives up hits to So Taguchi and Yadier Molina should consider retiring and finding a new occupation.

That list would include the following:

Martinez
Glavine
Zambrano
Prior
Maddux

among others

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Hes going to rebound are you saying Joe Garland sucks because hes gave up tons of runs his first 2 starts??

Jon Garland at least has a track record. And could break a pane of glass with his fastball.

MWM
04-15-2006, 03:54 PM
the tone in this thread regarding Williams is sure different that the Casey trade thread.

edabbs44
04-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Thanks Juan...his heart is still in Cincy.

OnBaseMachine
04-15-2006, 03:55 PM
He didn't. That pitch was under his knees and the replay showed it.

Still too hittable. Should have pitched him the way he did in the first inning.

Caveat Emperor
04-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Dave Williams is exactly as advertised -- awful.

And this team does not have a talented enough or deep enough bullpen to carry the slack for a starter that can't be counted on to go 6 innings when he gets the ball every 5th day.

flyer85
04-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Hes going to rebound are you saying Joe Garland sucks because hes gave up tons of runs his first 2 starts??I will say that Garland is not all that good and 2005 was a fluke. Good luck Sox fans.

Williams has zero stuff. Name a starter(other than Moyer) who succeeds with a fastball as slow as Williams 80-84 heater he has shown today?

Redeye fly
04-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Uh oh. I think Chris Welsh is drunk. He says Dave Williams has to use his "natural stuff" and that we got him for a reason.

Yeah, that reason is called Sean Casey's contract.

Buckeye33
04-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Ok, I was a decent high school pitcher and I was left handed. I can without a doubt say that my senior year I was better than Dave Williams is today.

79 MPH fastballs? Again, I was decent in my day and I threw 83-85. How was this guy allowed to make the team?