4/18 Game Thread vs the Fishies

[reds44]

he is the real deal. No brandon larsen.
We agree

[reds44]

For those of us just tuning in, any offensive highlights for us?
EE hit one in the upperdeck for a 3 run homer. Ross hit one in the same place for a 2 run homer.

[westofyou]

I can't believe we are losing to this team.
Even the 62 Mets won some games.

[Matt700wlw]

For those of us just tuning in, any offensive highlights for us?

Does terrible Reds pitching offend you?

[Caveat Emperor]

For those of us just tuning in, any offensive highlights for us?

I found Milton's entire evening to be offensive as a fan of well-pitched baseball.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin pinch hitting strikes out swinging.

[kbrake]

Well I caught the first and second inning then decided to hang out with my girlfriend and forget the game. So far looks like I made the right choice.

[reds44]

Ooo look at 2 strikes, swing at one at your eyes.

Nice AB

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg doubles to left center.

[KronoRed]

For those of us just tuning in, any offensive highlights for us?
Pitching was pretty offensive.

[CTA513]

If the Reds make some calls tonight, they could probably get some minor league pitchers into Cincinnati before tomorrows game.

:help:

[reds44]

Come on guys!!!

We ain't dead yet!

[flyer85]

I'd bring up Guevara from AA.

He has pitched 8 innings with 4 hits, 1BB and 12Ks

[2001MUgrad]

Rally Cap Time

[KronoRed]

If the Reds make some calls tonight, they could probably get some minor league pitchers into Cincinnati before tomorrows game.

:help:
Make the calls now, get those guys in and rested.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel walks. 1st and 2nd with one out.

[StillFunkyB]

I really wish the Reds would have done what the Marlins are doing right now, years ago.

[reds44]

Ball 4!

Felipe we need a 3 run dinger.

[Heath]

I really wish the Reds would have done what the Marlins are doing right now, years ago.

They thought they were.

That's the problem.

[reds44]

I really wish the Reds would have done what the Marlins are doing right now, years ago.
Difference is the fish didn't need to.

[CTA513]

I'd bring up Guevara from AA.

He has pitched 8 innings with 4 hits, 1BB and 12Ks

:beerme:

Ive been following him on the MILB site and hes pitched 1 1/2 innings tonight in relief with 1 hit and 3 Ks.

[flyer85]

:beerme:

Ive been following him on the MILB site and hes pitched 1 1/2 innings tonight in relief with 1 hit and 3 Ks.
Him and that screwball have put up gaudy numbers at every stop.

[KronoRed]

They thought they were.

That's the problem.
Nah they always cut it short, always kept some "Name" guy around.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez pops out to short. 2 outs.

[StillFunkyB]

:beerme:

Ive been following him on the MILB site and hes pitched 1 1/2 innings tonight in relief with 1 hit and 3 Ks.

We need a Duaner Sanchez.

[KronoRed]

Lets go :clap:

[GOREDSGO32]

I see Milton is back in his typical Reds form. I come back home and I hear Marty comment on the Reds scoring 6 runs. I figured Reds are on the way to a win, I see the scoreboard ... 12 runs given up. This is just ridiculous. Averaging over 6 runs a game, we shouldn't be barely over .500

[redsfan4445]

8 walks and we cant score.. VERY SAD!!!!!!!!

[reds44]

jebus

[CincyRedsFan30]

Marty said Felipe's swing on one of those pitches in that AB was "weak." I think he could use a night off.

Freel now has 14 BB, btw.

[OnBaseMachine]

Rough night for Felipe.

[StillFunkyB]

Him and that screwball have put up gaudy numbers at every stop.

Imagine the fit Marty would have if Krivs brought up a kid from AA. :eek:

[flyer85]

We need a Duaner always wanted a Duaner

[KronoRed]

We should see if Charlie Hough is avalible.

Knuckles rock.

[flyer85]

Rough night for Felipe.He's the reason the Reds are losing

[MWM]

Felipe looked really bad at the plate tonight. It's the first time this year that I can recall. It happens sometimes.

[Caveat Emperor]

He's the reason the Reds are losing

Adam Dunn clearly didn't make enough contact.

[OnBaseMachine]

He's the reason the Reds are losing

And Dunn. Those two "soft" walks killed the team. ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia flies out to the warning track in right. 12-6 Marlins after 8.

[KronoRed]

Miracle needed now

[reds44]

I cursed after that one.

[flyer85]

interesting to contrast how the fish have assembled their pen. They have a couple of young guys who project as good ML starters(johnson and Nolasco) and have taken chances on powerful if erratic arms (Wellmeyer and German)

[OnBaseMachine]

Looks like Rich may have chased a ball on that 6th pitch. Too bad, because a walk and a Grand Slam by Dunn would have put them right back in this thing.

[flyer85]

Adam Dunn clearly didn't make enough contact.that's a corollary

[Reds Fanatic]

White strikes out the pinch hitter.

[kbrake]

I know its just one game but this team is just horribly inconsistent. Beat the Cubs bad, get completely shut down the next day. Harang outduels Carpenter, get a major beat down next day. Beat the fish like the AAA team they are. Come back and let them pretty much return the favor. It would be real nice to put a couple of back to back wins together where we crush them.

[CincyRedsFan30]

interesting to contrast how the fish have assembled their pen. They have a couple of young guys who project as good ML starters(johnson and Nolasco) and have taken chances on powerful if erratic arms (Wellmeyer and German)

But why would O'Brien have wanted Wellemeyer and German? They don't "pitch to" you know what. ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez grounds out to 2nd.

[StillFunkyB]

I really feel that DanO set this team back another 3 years.

[flyer85]

I know its just one game but this team is just horribly inconsistent. simple, the pitching is non-existent outside of Harang, Claussen and Arroyo

[CTA513]

Rick White is the only pitcher for the Reds that didnt give up a run. :eek:

[Reds Fanatic]

Uggla strikes out swinging. 12-6 mid 9th.

[reds44]

Bottom 9, and I still haven't given up.

[flyer85]

Kinda funny when you realize the Cubs send down a guy like Wuertz who would be the best pitcher in the Reds pen.

[StillFunkyB]

We need a munkey.

[CTA513]

Kinda funny when you realize the Cubs send down a guy like Wuertz who would be the best pitcher in the Reds pen.

Wuertz is to young for the Reds pen. ;)

[flyer85]

Rick White is the only pitcher for the Reds that didnt give up a run. :eek:lowered his ERA to 5.1, he did

[reds44]

Dunn will reach base twice this inning.


Ya heard it here 1st.

[Caveat Emperor]

Bottom 9, and I still haven't given up.

They should just post this outside the bullpen:
http://images.burningman.com/gallery/cameragirl.16250.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Matt Herges in to pitch

[flyer85]

Dunn will reach base twice this inning.

which one?

[reds44]

which one?
This ain't pool.

[CincyRedsFan30]

It actually looks like White's ERA is now down to 5.00. His WHIP has dropped to 1.33. If only he could stop giving up a HR ever 3 IP. Unfortunately he's Rick White.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Well, Dunn didn't reach base once in this inning, so they are going to have to bat around a couple of times here if he's going to reach it twice in the inning. :)

[reds44]

Dunn will reach base twice this inning.


Ya heard it here 1st.
umm oops

[edabbs44]

Herges. My Lord.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kearns singles.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Good to see Kearns extend the hitting streak to six games.

[reds44]

Rally time!

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion singles. 1st and 2nd with one out.
McCracken in to pinch hit.

[Matt700wlw]

These Marlins are good. ;)

[GOREDSGO32]

Rally time? ;) Comeon Reds

[reds44]

EE 2 hit game.

Rally time

[flyer85]

we all really need a life

[Reds Fanatic]

McCracken strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[reds44]

and mlb.tv goes dead

fantastic

[edabbs44]

McCracken...the Hammond of the non-pitchers.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin flies out to center and this nightmare game is over. 12-6 Marlins.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Valentin has returned to being Valentin so far this year.

[reds44]

That one hurt.

[CTA513]

The game finally ends.

Time to make some calls and get some pitchers up here... you can use Castellinis plane to get them here before tomorrows 12pm game.

[flyer85]

10 hits and 8 walks tonight. If they could hit with RISP they would've won.

[flyer85]

Valentin flies out to center and this nightmare game is over. 12-6 Marlins.... to be continued in 14 hours

[Heath]

I'm glad I went last night instead of tonight.

Sheesh. What's the over under tomorrow - 30?

[flyer85]

That one hurt.After the last 5 years I'm used to it

[OnBaseMachine]

He did indeed. He also posed when he hit it, than did that arrogant bat flip thing while sauntering to first.

He's the best in baseball, but he's a showoffy sum*****. Surprised someone has not put one in his earhole at this point. Oliver Perez may want to consider that in Pujols' next at-bat...

I just saw this on BBTN. Pujols actually tossed the bat all the way over near the dugout! I can't believe the Pirates didn't stick one in his earhole after that. Classless to do something like that. Even Cards fans are getting fed up with it:

Posted by daniducci on the Cards board:

I did not like Pujols' bat flip at all after that homerun. He's been a bit exaggerated in his bat flip recently, but this was overboard. He appeared to be showing up the pitcher. I'd dust him the next time up. He earned some chin music with that one.

[reds44]

You know I have to look on the bright side:

Win tomorrow, take the series and go to 9-6, then go to Milwaukee.

Just gotta win series.

[CincyRedsFan30]

Interesting.

Marty just described the Reds bullpen as continuing to be, "very, very, very so-so." :eek: Do all those "verys" make it less than so-so?

[griffeyfreak4]

You know I have to look on the bright side:

Win tomorrow, take the series and go to 9-6, then go to Milwaukee.

Just gotta win series.

Gotta shell D-train early and get some run support.

[Falls City Beer]

I think the Reds can win tomorrow.

[griffeyfreak4]

It's a very winnable game.

[KronoRed]

I just saw this on BBTN. Pujols actually tossed the bat all the way over near the dugout! I can't believe the Pirates didn't stick one in his earhole after that. Classless to do something like that. Even Cards fans are getting fed up with it:

Posted by daniducci on the Cards board:

I did not like Pujols' bat flip at all after that homerun. He's been a bit exaggerated in his bat flip recently, but this was overboard. He appeared to be showing up the pitcher. I'd dust him the next time up. He earned some chin music with that one.I can just imagine what would happen if the anointed one got beaned, the pitcher might be suspended for life for daring to hurt him.

[Matt700wlw]

posted by daniducci on the Cards board:

I did not like Pujols' bat flip at all after that homerun. He's been a bit exaggerated in his bat flip recently, but this was overboard. He appeared to be showing up the pitcher. I'd dust him the next time up. He earned some chin music with that one.

Unlike Cubs fans, Cards fans have a clue. Cubs fans would find this behavior appropriate and funny.......until the other team did it; then they'd whine like the little brats they are.

:D

[paintmered]

Back from the game....

I don't have much to say other than if club tix find their way into your lap, don't let them go to waste.

And to find some more positives, at one point Milton retired 7 consecutive batters. Also, EE is going to be a beast.

[flyer85]

I think the Reds can win tomorrow.Since Harang is pitching they can.

[reds44]

More good news:
We play 13 hours. Not alot of time to think about this one.

[flyer85]

Back from the game....

I don't have much to say other than if club tix find their way into your lap, don't let them go to waste.

And to some more positives, at one point Milton retired 7 consecutive batters. Also, EE is going to be a beast.but the complete and utter lack of arms is hammered home every night and then our GMs used the offseason acquiring Burns, Gosling, Hammond, White, etc. I realize Krivsky's hands were tied by the time he came aboard but DanO will go down as one of the inept GMs of recent memory

[flyer85]

Guevara 2.1IP 1H 5Ks

Shack has also pitched very well at AAA

[KronoRed]

More good news:
We play 13 hours. Not alot of time to think about this one.
Or to sleep it off :D

[paintmered]

but the complete and utter lack of arms is hammered home every night and then our GMs used the offseason acquiring Burns, Gosling, Hammond, White, etc. I realize Krivsky's hands were tied by the time he came aboard but DanO will go down as one of the inept GMs of recent memory

DanO's place in the halls of ineptitude have already been cemented. I haven't read the game thread - I was there so there's not much reason for me to read what I just saw.

I was just trying to dig deeply to find some sort of silver lining in today's performance. Milton did rebound from his horrible first two innings to pitch some decent ball until the 5th inning.

[Matt700wlw]

:lol:

Milton in the highlights....when he saw his pitch was up, and the hitter got a hold of it, he wouldn't turn his head to see what happened.

He almost knew it wasn't going to be his night...

It looked like his curveball was hanging....bad. His pitches were far from down.

[traderumor]

but the complete and utter lack of arms is hammered home every night and then our GMs used the offseason acquiring Burns, Gosling, Hammond, White, etc. I realize Krivsky's hands were tied by the time he came aboard but DanO will go down as one of the inept GMs of recent memoryThe beauty of DanO's work is that he not only put together a historically bad bullpen in '05, but he sat on his hands and did absolutely nothing to shore things up when he still had a job for '06. Plucked Burns off waivers, signed Hammond, whoopity do. The only one who knew less about baseball is the one who hired him over Krivsky in the first place. Carl Lindner and Dan O'Brien, the gift that keeps on giving.

[Falls City Beer]

I would, however, discourage people following the Reds' wins and losses.

Just focus on individual stats for players' tradeability. This team is not going anywhere till trades are made.

It should be interesting to see what develops at least.

[flyer85]

I would, however, discourage people following the Reds' wins and losses.

Just focus on individual stats for players' tradeability. This team is not going anywhere till trades are made.

It should be interesting to see what develops at least.this team has never really went into the full rebuilding mode, they continually want it both ways(win as much as possible now while building for later). Guess what guys, it don't work.

[Falls City Beer]

this team has never really went into the full rebuilding mode, they continually want it both ways(win as much as possible now while building for later). Guess what guys, it don't work.

You can do both. You just have to build year-round, not sit on your hands, like most GMs.

There's no reason whatsoever that the Reds can't seriously compete as early as next season--not with the Reds' payroll scale, and moveable commodities.

It won't be easy, but it absolutely can be done.

[Caveat Emperor]

I think the Reds can win tomorrow.

I'm benching Dunn and starting Willis anyway.

[flyer85]

You can do both. You just have to build year-round, not sit on your hands, like most GMs.

There's no reason whatsoever that the Reds can't seriously compete as early as next season--not with the Reds' payroll scale, and moveable commodities.

It won't be easy, but it absolutely can be done.Difficult. Especially when you realize that entails 6-7 new pitchers at a minimum.

[Falls City Beer]

Difficult. Especially when you realize that entails 6-7 new pitchers at a minimum.

One ace and two relievers--plus whatever minor league/better filler that Krivsky can find. That's what it will take. Not impossible at all.

[paintmered]

One ace and two relievers--plus whatever minor league/better filler that Krivsky can find. That's what it will take. Not impossible at all.

It will take that without losing any of our current assets. That's where the tricky part comes into play. But it shouldn't be impossible for a talented GM.

[CTA513]

Guevara 2.1IP 1H 5Ks

Shack has also pitched very well at AAA

Guevara: 1.93 ERA, 9.1 Innings, 4 Hits, 1 BB, 14 Ks

:thumbup:

[George Foster]

DanO's place in the halls of ineptitude have already been cemented. I haven't read the game thread - I was there so there's not much reason for me to read what I just saw.

I was just trying to dig deeply to find some sort of silver lining in today's performance. Milton did rebound from his horrible first two innings to pitch some decent ball until the 5th inning.

Except he was pitching against a AAA team at best. This Marlin team will lose 105 games this season. They have a 14 million dollar payroll.

[reds44]

Anybody have EE's updated stats?

[Falls City Beer]

It will take that without losing any of our current assets. That's where the tricky part comes into play. But it shouldn't be impossible for a talented GM.

I really don't think it would. The Reds could easily absorb the loss of Kearns or Lopez (though probably not both).

Look at Houston--10-4 record with only one consistent bopper in their lineup.

I'm not worried about the offense largely because the hitting philosophy of this team is so sound that they could still be a top 5 hitting team with just the nucleus of Dunn/EE/Lopez or Kearns/whatever they get from Griff.

The Reds have spent the last decade playing around on the razor's edge with their pitching. It's time they stopped doing that, and instead do it with their offense some.

[Raisor]

It was the offense's fault, right?

[reds44]

It was the offense's fault, right?
I know that this was sarcastic, but if anyone actually thinks this you need help. 6 runs should be plenty to beat the Fish.

[paintmered]

It was the offense's fault, right?

They didn't do the little things right today.

[flyer85]

I really don't think it would. The Reds could easily absorb the loss of Kearns or Lopez (though probably not both).

Look at Houston--10-4 record with only one consistent bopper in their lineup.

I'm not worried about the offense largely because the hitting philosophy of this team is so sound that they could still be a top 5 hitting team with just the nucleus of Dunn/EE/Lopez or Kearns/whatever they get from Griff.

The Reds have spent the last decade playing around on the razor's edge with their pitching. It's time they stopped doing that, and instead do it with their offense some.
If it was me I would look in to dealing Lopez. he has no long term future as a Red and he might bring a good return in the right deal.

[Falls City Beer]

Yeah, it's high time to cash in that Lopez chit.

[Raisor]

I know that this was sarcastic, but if anyone actually thinks this you need help. 6 runs should be plenty to beat the Fish.


People on another game thread, on another reds board were complaining about EddieE's homer. They feel his homer will cause him to start pulling everything and screw up his swing.

These are people that are upset that Joe Randa isn't starting at third for the Reds anymore.

[reds44]

Yeah, it's high time to cash in that Lopez chit.
Grrrr I would hate to see that, but with the way BP and Freel are playing if we got the right price for him it would be hard to say no.

[reds44]

People on another game thread, on another reds board were complaining about EddieE's homer. They feel his homer will cause him to start pulling everything and screw up his swing.

What? His homer today? Did he not have a single later in the game?

[paintmered]

What? His homer today? Did he not have a single later in the game?

Yeah, he had two hits today.

[Raisor]

What? His homer today? Did he not have a single later in the game?


these people I speak of are, of course, quite insane.

[flyer85]

Grrrr I would hate to see thatas long as Boras remains his agent he is gone and since most of his clients don't sign and test free agency it lessens his value the longer you hold on to him.

[reds44]

Speaking of Edwin here are his updated stats:

.267 avg, .377 OBP 2 hrs, 10 RBIs, .511 slug, 9 runs, 5 doubles.

Kid has been impressive as of late.

[Heath]

These are people that are upset that Joe Randa isn't starting at third for the Reds anymore.


I'm still pissed that Chris Sabo took over for Buddy Bell in '88.

But, you know, Sabo ain't no Randa.

Raisor - get back away from the darkside. :starwars:

[M2]

Speaking of Edwin here are his updated stats:

.267 avg, .377 OBP 2 hrs, 10 RBIs, .511 slug, 9 runs, 5 doubles.

Kid has been impressive as of late.

Clearly he's not ready to play in the majors. He's only going to drive in 116 runs at this pace.

[reds44]

Clearly he's not ready to play in the majors. He's only going to drive in 116 runs at this pace.
Boo he sucks. Just ask Marty who said he was "struggling". He said that tonight, btw.

[Heath]

Boo he sucks. Just ask Marty who said he was "struggling". He said that tonight, btw.

wonder if he want ga-ga over Brandon Phillips

[Unassisted]

Haven't read the whole game thread, but I saw most of the game. This was a game where we got the internal stadium video (including the kiss cam) with the Reds radio. Since I only subscribe to TV games, I haven't heard Marty before tonight this year.

The thing that struck me tonight was how positively Marty spoke of Dontrelle Willis vs. anyone on the Reds roster. Marty sounded like he was ready to adopt Dontrelle. I can't recall a noticeably positive comment he made about a Red tonight.

It's no wonder you local people complain about Marty. He's like Patty and Selma on the Simpsons. He sucks the joy out of everything! Or at least everything clad in red white and black. ;)

[Big Klu]

I think I would give Lopez a day off tomorrow against Willis. He is struggling, especially from the right side, and a day of rest might help him. Move Phillips to SS, Freel to 2B, and start McCracken in CF.

Freel 2b
Encarnacion 3b
Dunn lf
Kearns rf
Aurilia 1b
LaRue c
Phillips ss
McCracken cf
Harang p

[uks2h]

Haven't read the whole game thread, but I saw most of the game. This was a game where we got the internal stadium video (including the kiss cam) with the Reds radio. Since I only subscribe to TV games, I haven't heard Marty before tonight this year.

The thing that struck me tonight was how positively Marty spoke of Dontrelle Willis vs. anyone on the Reds roster. Marty sounded like he was ready to adopt Dontrelle. I can't recall a noticeably positive comment he made about a Red tonight.

It's no wonder you local people complain about Marty. He's like Patty and Selma on the Simpsons. He sucks the joy out of everything! Or at least everything clad in red white and black. ;)

Count me as one who never complains about Marty. He's been calling games since before I was born, and I think he has earned the privilege to say whatever he wants. Hes a fabulous man, and obviously one of the best baseball broadcasters in the history of the game.

[membengal]

Clearly he's not ready to play in the majors. He's only going to drive in 116 runs at this pace.


No doubt. And that .888 OPS isn't .900. Someone get him out of here before he finishes killing the season...

[KronoRed]

these people I speak of are, of course, quite insane.
Dude stop going over there, you come back smelling like them and we're wasteing a lot of money on candles! ;)

[Aronchis]

The beauty of DanO's work is that he not only put together a historically bad bullpen in '05, but he sat on his hands and did absolutely nothing to shore things up when he still had a job for '06. Plucked Burns off waivers, signed Hammond, whoopity do. The only one who knew less about baseball is the one who hired him over Krivsky in the first place. Carl Lindner and Dan O'Brien, the gift that keeps on giving.

The historically bad bullpen was 2004, the historically bad starting staff was 2005(2004 wasn't far behind). Just to make things historically clear. ;)