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BuckeyeRedleg
04-19-2006, 10:39 AM
What's the story on this guy? Sounds like a decent prospect to me.

His 2006 pitching stats so far in AA-Chattanooga (thru 6-14):

23 IP
14 H
7 BB
28 K
.91 WHIP
1.17 ERA
20 SAVES (1st in SL)

Coming into this season, through 4 years of Rk, A, A+, and AA he has put up 196 IP, 1.13 WHIP, 9.96 K/9, 2.66 BB/9, with 37 saves. Is there a future closer down in Chattanooga right now? Can anyone tell me what he's got?

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/david-shafer.shtml

rdiersin
04-19-2006, 10:51 AM
Kevin Goldstein doesn't seem to think so.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4986


Closer David Shafer will never fill that role in the big leagues, but he's begun the year with four shutout innings, allowing just one hit, and the Reds think he could get to the big leagues quickly as a middle reliever.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 10:57 AM
the Reds think he could get to the big leagues quicklyI wonder if that means by May?

NJReds
04-19-2006, 11:06 AM
Kevin Goldstein doesn't seem to think so.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4986

This is a serious question, not a knock on BP or other publications. But aren't these guys who proclaim what minor league kids will accomplish in the future just throwing out at best what could be called an 'educated guess.'?

If Kevin Goldstein doesn't think Shafer has a future, should David pack his bags and get a job a Wal-Mart? I don't read a lot of these mags, but what is there projection rate? Are they right on a lot of the time?

flyer85
04-19-2006, 11:16 AM
If Kevin Goldstein doesn't think Shafer has a futureGoldstein didn't say that, he just said he didn't see him as a future closer.

rdiersin
04-19-2006, 11:17 AM
This is a serious question, not a knock on BP or other publications. But aren't these guys who proclaim what minor league kids will accomplish in the future just throwing out at best what could be called an 'educated guess.'?

Yea, I think that could be said. Goldstein was with Baseball America and just recently started at BP, for a little background. I really was just posting that in jest. Its really too hard to tell. This year is a big year for both Shafer and Guevera. If they perform in AA, then they might and should be viewed as legit prospects. Also, I don't think BA or others are ever going to call someone a future closer unless they have a huge fastball.



If Kevin Goldstein doesn't think Shafer has a future, should David pack his bags and get a job a Wal-Mart? I don't read a lot of these mags, but what is there projection rate? Are they right on a lot of the time?

Certainly not. Shafer has his future in front of him, the Reds need as much help as they can get and he has performed well so far, a rare feat it seems in this system.

NJReds
04-19-2006, 11:25 AM
Thanks for the reply. As I said, I don't really read these things, but trying to gauge the future of minor league ballplayers seems to be an inexact science.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 11:27 AM
Thanks for the reply. As I said, I don't really read these things, but trying to gauge the future of minor league ballplayers seems to be an inexact science. At some point you just have to throw them out there and see how they perform.

Doc. Scott
04-19-2006, 01:05 PM
Shafer could certainly follow in the fine Reds reliever-developing tradition of Williamson or Dibble. But more likely he's a John Riedling-type. He has pitched quite well so far, and will get promoted before too long as soon as we figure out which Bats veterans don't have the mojo.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-15-2006, 10:55 PM
His 2006 pitching stats so far in AA-Chattanooga (thru 6-14):

23 IP
14 H
7 BB
28 K
.91 WHIP
1.17 ERA
20 SAVES (1st in SL)

LoganBuck
06-20-2006, 02:38 PM
Jeff Picoro said today that he only throws about 90 mph, and has Weathers type stuff. Is that accurate?

Doc. Scott
06-20-2006, 03:05 PM
There's a difference between a 24-year-old that throws 90 and a 36-year-old that throws 90.

The 24-year-old might throw 94 when he's 27.

That's why junk like what Goldstein is spitting out has to be taken with a shaker of salt. All he's really able to say at this point is that Shafer wouldn't be the closer based on his stuff not being prototypically "closer"-like. That is, until he gains velocity, which happens all the time with professional coaching, or earns it by doing a heckuva job with what he's got.

I hate it when these prospect-hounds say it like that.

Az. Reds Fan
06-20-2006, 03:07 PM
Jeff Picoro said today that he only throws about 90 mph, and has Weathers type stuff. Is that accurate?

I don't know if it's accurate or not, but it probably is. You can probably assume that if Schafer threw 100 mph with a killer off speed pitch, he'd already be in the Reds pen, or at the very least, in Louisville.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-20-2006, 05:25 PM
11 K's per 9 and a .91 whip, with 21 Saves?

He must have something he throws good. Even if it is only double-A.

reds44
06-20-2006, 05:26 PM
11 K's per 9 and a .91 whip, with 21 Saves?

He must have something he throws good. Even if it is only double-A.
They had him a WLW on Sunday.

He throws a low 90's fastball and his out pitch is his slider. At least that is what he said.

BuckeyeRedleg
06-20-2006, 05:27 PM
They had him a WLW on Sunday.

He throws a low 90's fastball and his out pitch is his slider. At least that is what he said.

Sounds good to me. Get him up here......NOW!

JaxRed
06-21-2006, 12:04 AM
Maybe not now. He just went on DL with tendonitis.

reds44
06-21-2006, 12:09 AM
Maybe not now. He just went on DL with tendonitis.
Shafer did????

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Doc. Scott
06-21-2006, 01:07 PM
You can DL a player in the SL for as little as seven days. So it might be nothing, really.

flyer85
06-21-2006, 01:27 PM
You can DL a player in the SL for as little as seven days. So it might be nothing, really.Usually tendinits takes some rest and drugs to help the problem.