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membengal
04-19-2006, 01:48 PM
un frickin' believable.

really, words fail.

MWM
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Well unfortunately, this series should be the wakeup call for folks who thought this year's Reds had legitimate shot at contending.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Uggla put the nail in the coffin.no doubt

GOREDSGO32
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Time to drop tow ... firesale time.

CaiGuy
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
I expect to see a lot of Goesling today.

Chip R
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Not real good losing a series to the Marlins.

Casey_21
04-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Sigh... This just isn't my boy's day. Poor Aaron. :(

pedro
04-19-2006, 01:50 PM
not good.

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 01:50 PM
Time to drop tow ... firesale time.

Really upsetting. :bang:

westofyou
04-19-2006, 01:50 PM
Lol... Ok, so I take it wasn't a compliment... :p:
No it was neither a dig or a compliment.. just an observation.

If I dig ya... you know. ;)



Harangs delivery looks stiff.

The Reds design of the GAB should have widened the gaps, that's the one main design change I would want.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:50 PM
Well unfortunately, this series should be the wakeup call for folks who thought this year's Reds had legitimate shot at contending.If they we that deluded it will take more than a couple of bad games in a row to change their mind

redsfanmia
04-19-2006, 01:50 PM
Well unfortunately, this series should be the wakeup call for folks who thought this year's Reds had legitimate shot at contending.
Right on, they are years away from contending imo.

Doc. Scott
04-19-2006, 01:51 PM
Yeah, trade everyone. Jeesh.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 01:51 PM
This is sad.

When's football? :D

Doc. Scott
04-19-2006, 01:51 PM
Bottom of 4.

Kearns. Makes an out. I would have been getting nachos if my office sold them.

Hatteberg (1-1). Runs the count full. Lined into right, base hit.

Encarnacion (BB). Fouled straight back. Another foul. Outside, a ball. Outside again, 2-2. Grounder to the left side, but Edwin avoids the DP. Force at second. Two outs.

LaRue(0-1). Four-pitch walk.

Ross pinch-hits for Harang. Aaron leaves: 4 IP, 9 H, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 3 HR. Dave takes ball one. Ball two, outside. Olivo to the mound. Ball three, outside. Ball four, low. Eight in a row out of the strike zone. Bases loaded, two out.

Freel (1-2). Called strike. Outside, a ball. Bouncer off Willis' leg, and everyone's going to be safe! Infield single, RBI.

5-1 Marlins.

Phillips (0-2). Ball's in the dirt, gets away from Olivo and Encarnacion scores with a headfirst slide! Wild pitch.

5-2 Marlins.

Phillips ahead 1-0. Swing and a miss. Ball two. LOOPER TO RIGHT, BASE HIT! Ross and Freel score, and it's 5-4! Brandon redeems himself for the twin Caseys.

5-4 Marlins.

Aurilia (1-2). Grounder ends the inning.

Still, it's a game! 5-4 Florida after 4.

Mike Gosling in the pen. He'll pitch the fifth.

djsauter
04-19-2006, 01:51 PM
Sooo. Who do we blame now that we suck??

Danny Graves?? Off course....

Jim Fazio
04-19-2006, 01:51 PM
Can anyone tell me if its possible to move the fences back at GABP? Or is it impossible to do considering how the bleechers are set up?

cumberlandreds
04-19-2006, 01:51 PM
Well unfortunately, this series should be the wakeup call for folks who thought this year's Reds had legitimate shot at contending.

You got that right. I thought this series would be an indicator of were the Reds stand. Looks like we are not standing very well. Another 90 loss season on the way.:(

Roy Tucker
04-19-2006, 01:52 PM
A wrist-slashing epidemic breaks out on the game thread.

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
Sooo. Who do we blame now that we suck??

Danny Graves?? Off course....

Friggin Graves...:D

CTA513
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
A wrist-slashing epidemic breaks out on the game thread.

Pour bleach on it!

;)

Falls City Beer
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
Harang's hurt. I'd bet my Todd Rundgren collection.

Chip R
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
Can anyone tell me if its possible to move the fences back at GABP? Or is it impossible to do considering how the bleechers are set up?

Not impossible but you would be getting rid of a few rows of seats. Of course I'm not sure how moving the fences back helps when the balls are hit back in the 20th row of the bleachers.

CaiGuy
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
Can anyone tell me if its possible to move the fences back at GABP? Or is it impossible to do considering how the bleechers are set up?
who needs the bleachers? ;)

not like the reds are hurtin for more seats. They never will if they keep playing like this.

NC Reds
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
This game is not over, nor is the season. Relax.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 01:53 PM
As if losing to this Florida team wasn't bad enough now the Reds go to Milwaukee where they always lose.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 01:54 PM
Harang's hurt. I'd bet my Todd Rundgren collection.
Ric Okasic put his name on the list on The Colbert Report the other night.

djsauter
04-19-2006, 01:54 PM
Has a Reds pitcher ever done poorly, then NOT be hurt?

It seems like a pitcher will go for a couple months getting shelled, then ALL of a sudden, "Oh I'm hurt. Sorry for not telling you. My toenail hurts. I should have told someone."

What a joke.

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 01:54 PM
Hatte...making me look bad. No problem with that.

CaiGuy
04-19-2006, 01:54 PM
could the fence be moved to the other side of the river? that might help

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:55 PM
Harang's hurt. I'd bet my Todd Rundgren collection.Just doesn't have his command, especially with the fastball, could see it from the start. The 5 Ks indicate his stuff is fine.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 01:56 PM
So... the Reds suck so much that they can't get 5 runs with 17 outs left?

Or they suck so much that they can't keep the score at 5 on the defensive side?

If the latter was chosen please refrain from melting down at the offense over the next 5.1 innings.

WMR
04-19-2006, 01:56 PM
Yanno, I hate losing as much as the next guy, but some of Castellini's comments make me think he needs more than a couple doses of reality b/f he'd be willing to realize what needs to be done with this club

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 01:56 PM
Has a Reds pitcher ever done poorly, then NOT be hurt?

It seems like a pitcher will go for a couple months getting shelled, then ALL of a sudden, "Oh I'm hurt. Sorry for not telling you. My toenail hurts. I should have told someone."

What a joke.

That's a Clemens special. Roger never throws poorly w/o saying something about his legs. And in big games, he usually preps the media with a hamstring story so he has an excuse.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
So... the Reds suck so much that they can't get 5 runs with 17 outs left?

Or they suck so much that they can't keep the score at 5 on the defensive side?

If the latter was chosen please refrain from melting down at the offense over the next 5.1 innings.


They can score 5 (if they can Willis out of there)...I just don't have any faith in them keeping the Marlins at 5

CaiGuy
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
So... the Reds suck so much that they can't get 5 runs with 17 outs left?

Or they suck so much that they can't keep the score at 5 on the defensive side?

If the latter was chosen please refrain from melting down at the offense over the next 5.1 innings.
I choose C...All of the Above

Falls City Beer
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
Just doesn't have his command, especially with the fastball, could see it from the start. The 5 Ks indicate his stuff is fine.

A guy with very good command all of a sudden loses it--bad sign.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
Has a Reds pitcher ever done poorly, then NOT be hurt?

It seems like a pitcher will go for a couple months getting shelled, then ALL of a sudden, "Oh I'm hurt. Sorry for not telling you. My toenail hurts. I should have told someone."

What a joke.
Pitchers are like Hockey Goalies, it's all form and function, any abnormality can tilt the worlds axis.

Never trust a pitcher, cherish the good ones and never bet your house on one.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
I would PH for Harang

CTA513
04-19-2006, 01:57 PM
Ross to pinch hit for Harang.

Gosling warming up in the bullpen.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 01:58 PM
I guess we'll find out if Michael Gosling was a ST wonder or if he's for real...

Chip R
04-19-2006, 01:58 PM
Has a Reds pitcher ever done poorly, then NOT be hurt?

It seems like a pitcher will go for a couple months getting shelled, then ALL of a sudden, "Oh I'm hurt. Sorry for not telling you. My toenail hurts. I should have told someone."

What a joke.

Oh! My arm!

http://www.wtv-zone.com/jetts/pics/rodney_hat.jpg

Jim Fazio
04-19-2006, 01:58 PM
Harang Gone!! Ross in to pinch hit.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:58 PM
A guy with very good command all of a sudden loses it--bad sign.His command is not horrible, just off. Loss of velocity is a much worse sign. He is having a bad day, all pitchers have them, the mediocre one more often.

membengal
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
I guess we'll find out if Michael Gosling was a ST wonder or if he's for real...


Well, considering he wasn't ALL that effective in the spring, let's hope there is more than we all saw there.

indyred
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
Can anyone tell me if its possible to move the fences back at GABP? Or is it impossible to do considering how the bleechers are set up?
They could ....I wonder what the new owners think...they would have to foot the cost I bet........The Phillies spent the money to move there fences back and raise the fences in areas.........there thinking is the money spent making there new park more pitcher frindley, will help them attract some free agent pitchers and not have to overpay so much...........spend now....save later....

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
I guess we'll find out if Michael Gosling was a ST wonder or if he's for real...he was awful in ST.

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
A wrist-slashing epidemic breaks out on the game thread.

This team has bled me dry already with years of Lance Davises, Brian Reiths, Danny Serafinis, Josh Hancocks, Jose Acevedos and the aforementioned Jeff Austins. All you're going to get from me at this point is a shrug and a cursory glance at the minor league box scores.

None of what has transpired this season should've shocked anyone - when you're at the mercy of bad pitching you're going to have your good days, your bad days, and your days where both happen at the same time.

Chip R
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
Seems this lack of command is contagious.

CaiGuy
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
Ross walks

4th walk on willis

GOREDSGO32
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
Comeon ... Rally time!

flyer85
04-19-2006, 01:59 PM
At least Willis is running up his pitch count

Falls City Beer
04-19-2006, 02:00 PM
His command is not horrible, just off. Loss of velocity is a much worse sign. He is having a bad day, all pitchers have them, the mediocre one more often.

He's had one good start in a month of starts dating back to mid-March.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:00 PM
Bases loaded for Freel.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:00 PM
AWFUL first strike call on Freel.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:00 PM
This team has bled me dry already with years of Lance Davises, Brian Reiths, Danny Serafinis, Josh Hancocks, Jose Acevedos and the aforementioned Jeff Austins. All you're going to get from me at this point is a shrug and a cursory glance at the minor league box scores.

None of what has transpired this season should've shocked anyone - when you're at the mercy of bad pitching you're going to have your good days, your bad days, and your days where both happen at the same time.
Hi and hello from Bill Bonham, Bruce Beryni and Pat Pacillio.

GOREDSGO32
04-19-2006, 02:00 PM
YES! Run scored.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
Freel due for a jack

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
I'm sure glad we have Brandon Phillips hitting second.

The Baumer
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
The blue ensures that Dontrelle doesn't struggle TOO much, but it doesn't work as Freel singles.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
He takes a puck off his skate.

Casey_21
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
Harang gone is soo not good... Where's the Rollaids.... :(

GOREDSGO32
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
YES! Wild pitch, score!

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
AWFUL first strike call on Freel.

At least he had the good sense to take a pitch after a walk. It's unbelievably furstrating to watch players go up hacking when it's apparent to everyone in the park that the pitcher has lost his command.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:01 PM
He's had one good start in a month of starts dating back to mid-March.he has pitched poorly, we are not talking about Dontrelle Willis hear. Willis has struggled with his command today. Is he hurt? He just hasn't paid the price because of superior stuff.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:02 PM
I'm sure glad we have Brandon Phillips hitting second.
OK pal... you've had enough. Take it outside.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:02 PM
It took Larue about 30 minutes to get home from third on that wild pitch.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:02 PM
Harang gone is soo not good... Where's the Rollaids.... :(
who coming in next......

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:02 PM
What on God's green earth was phillips thinking swinging at that pitch?

GOREDSGO32
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
5-4 game!!! WHOOOO

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Bleeders rule in small ball heaven

CTA513
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
I'm sure glad we have Brandon Phillips hitting second.

Phillips with a 2 run single. :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Carpenter's no hitter was broken up by Paulino. Good.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Phillips singles in 2 runs. 5-4

dsmith421
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Can anyone tell me if its possible to move the fences back at GABP? Or is it impossible to do considering how the bleechers are set up?

Why not just find some pitchers who aren't constantly giving up 400-foot fly balls? Seems to work for every other successful franchise in MLB.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Chip away...chip away.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
I'll take full credit for Phillips' base hit. My complaints made it happen. Had Uggla not been playing so close to second, he has that one easily. Nice little break there.

The Baumer
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Like honey on your phil-Lips. Solid base hit.

jesusfan
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Hopes are up again... Please dont kill em this time...

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Willis has thrown more pitches than Harang. Hard to see him going past 5.

Clemson
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Phillips should be our everyday 2nd baseman with Freel still rotating positions and getting 4 starts a week once griffey is back

CTA513
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Carpenter's no hitter was broken up by Paulino. Good.

I wanted to see him get a no hitter, it must stink to get it broken up by a .200 hitter.

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
I'll take full credit for Phillips' base hit. My complaints made it happen. Had Uggla not been playing so close to second, he has that one easily. Nice little break there.

Ladies and gentlemn, your game thread MVP :clap:

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Hopes are up again... Please dont kill em this time...why not if it worked the last time?

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:05 PM
No way do the Reds win this game. I just can't imagine a scenario where they come back and win.

:evil: :evil: :evil:

The Baumer
04-19-2006, 02:05 PM
Hopefully the pen only gives up 2-3 runs this inning, so we can still contend.

Clemson
04-19-2006, 02:05 PM
aurilia ground out is perfect as it sets dunn up for his favorite type of ho0me run, the lead off solo shot

(not a knock on dunn)

Reds1
04-19-2006, 02:05 PM
Phillips should be our everyday 2nd baseman with Freel still rotating positions and getting 4 starts a week once griffey is back

The more I see the more I agree. Maybe not every day, but most. Then play Aurilia at 1B and Freel at CF. When Griffey gets back though I want to see as much of Freel as I can.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:06 PM
I'm liking this Brandon Phillips more and more.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:06 PM
Why not just find some pitchers who aren't constantly giving up 400-foot fly balls? Seems to work for every other successful franchise in MLB.
It just that seems to not work for the REDS..........:bang:

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 02:06 PM
Gosling....please keep us in the game.

In other news, Willis is up to 86 pitches. 1-2 more innings and get the BP up. The bad news is our BP is already up.

LincolnparkRed
04-19-2006, 02:06 PM
I'll take full credit for Phillips' base hit. My complaints made it happen. Had Uggla not been playing so close to second, he has that one easily. Nice little break there.

Mocking and sarcasm overcome skill once again

LincolnparkRed
04-19-2006, 02:07 PM
Hopefully Mike can hold them down for 3 innings

guttle11
04-19-2006, 02:07 PM
I'm liking this Brandon Phillips more and more.

Dude.

Casey_21
04-19-2006, 02:07 PM
who coming in next......

Take a look at the bullpen. Does it matter? IMO, the only ones thats half decent is Weathers and Coffie. The rest is just scary.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:07 PM
Ok Gosling....don't let this get out of control. The Reds can win if the bullpen doesn't screw it up.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:07 PM
Phillips is going to be a decent player. Nice little pick up so far...Just need Wayne to pick up some pitchers that can work out........

membengal
04-19-2006, 02:08 PM
The battle of the bullpens begins...five innings left, Marlins spotted one run.

I don't think Willis will be around much longer, given his pitch count and control issues...

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:08 PM
Womack's days are numbered.

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 02:08 PM
The more I see the more I agree. Maybe not every day, but most. Then play Aurilia at 1B and Freel at CF. When Griffey gets back though I want to see as much of Freel as I can.

The common denominator here is that there are only so many positions on the field. We really need to make a deal with some of these spare parts to get help for our BP. Doesn't have to be a stud, but someone who can at least give us hope of a 1-2-3 inning.

CTA513
04-19-2006, 02:09 PM
Goslings way of telling someone to back off the plate is by plunking them in the head.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:09 PM
Gosling seems to like plunking people, He's the one that drilled the mayor in the head.

NastyBoy
04-19-2006, 02:09 PM
Womack gets released and reds eat his contract.

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 02:10 PM
That was a 3 bagger if Jr was out there.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:10 PM
What teams have extra pitching...........The Twins are loaded I know.......but do we anything they want.......But I think most teams 4 and 5 relievers would be better than what we have now..........

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:10 PM
Chip away...chip away.

I'm back now. :D

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:11 PM
Just love how u all ripped Milton last night..........looks to me like even our best is struggling against this young Marlins offense.

CTA513
04-19-2006, 02:12 PM
What teams have extra pitching...........The Twins are loaded I know.......but do we anything they want.......But I think most teams 4 and 5 relievers would be better than what we have now..........

It would be nice to pull Liriano away from the Twins, but theres almost no chance of that happening.

LincolnparkRed
04-19-2006, 02:12 PM
I'm back now. :D

Boo, that was awful

Doc. Scott
04-19-2006, 02:12 PM
Top of 5. Let's see if Mike Gosling can get somebody out. He could be here just for today. And his wife's in Harvard Law School, so he could use the big-league cash.

First pitch popped into left-center by Josh Willingham, and Freel makes the catch. One out.

Jacobs (0-1, BB). Gosling drills him in the head, but it's only a glancing blow. One on, one out.

Olivo (1-2, HR). Fly to center, Freel's there. One foot on the track. Two down.

Cepicky (1-2). Low and away, ball one. Swing and a miss on the offspeed pitch. Called strike two. Struck him out swinging!

5-4 Marlins after 4.5.

The Baumer
04-19-2006, 02:12 PM
When the Reds bullpen is bleeding, just wrap it with some Gauze-ling. 1-2-HBP-3 inning!

MasonBuzz3
04-19-2006, 02:12 PM
nice inning there by gosling...needed a quick inning to get willis right back out there

jesusfan
04-19-2006, 02:13 PM
Ok, lets go! Rally time!

CTA513
04-19-2006, 02:13 PM
Just love how u all ripped Milton last night..........looks to me like even our best is struggling against this young Marlins offense.

I guess we must suck for wanting good pitching instead of seeing the same crap we saw last year from Milton.

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:13 PM
Boo, that was awful

Couldn't resist cause I was gone for a few minutes. ;)

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:14 PM
Wow...a scoreless inning from a reliever!

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 02:14 PM
It would be nice to pull Liriano away from the Twins, but theres almost no chance of that happening.

Wouldn't mind grabbing Baker from them.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:14 PM
A hitless inning of relief. I'm not sure I can remember what that is like.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:14 PM
Sometimes its not the pitcher.......sometimes its just good hitting by an offense lol.

Anyways. Gosling man id love to see him like go the rest of the way and give up no runs.....he's stay up if that happens :)

Doc. Scott
04-19-2006, 02:15 PM
Bottom of 5.

Dunn (0-1, BB) slaps one up the middle, but the shift enables Ramirez to make the pickup and throw him out. One down.

Kearns (0-2). Low, ball one. Ball two. Swing and a miss. Again. And a third time. Two outs. All fastballs.

Hatteberg (2-2). 1-1 pitch WHALED up the middle, but Willis snags it! Scotty's robbed of hit number three.

5-4 Florida after 5.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:15 PM
I'd take Rincon or Crain in second from the Twins.........either one of them would instanley be the best guy in the Reds pen.........

Casey_21
04-19-2006, 02:15 PM
Just love how u all ripped Milton last night..........looks to me like even our best is struggling against this young Marlins offense.

Big difference.. Milton is normally terrible, but had a few good starts. Harang is normally great, and is having A bad start.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:15 PM
I think Goslings up for the road trip :)

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:16 PM
Just love how u all ripped Milton last night..........looks to me like even our best is struggling against this young Marlins offense.
Poor Eric Milton, got ripped by the board.

Milton got payed $235,294.11 for that effort.

We got nothing.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:16 PM
one thing about Willis is he sure does a great job of keeping the ball down.

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 02:17 PM
Nice play by Willis.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:18 PM
sure seem like Kearns helped Willis out that inning with a few of the pitches he swung at.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:19 PM
That's not going to help - Abercrombie launches one.

The Baumer
04-19-2006, 02:19 PM
The Mad Hatter almost removed Dontrelle Willis from this Earth. Watch the replay this evening on ESPN's Baseball Tonight when Jeff Brantley explores the importance of fielding reflexes and pitcher's defense.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:19 PM
It's a new season.

Harang has done no more then Milton so far this season. Last year is the past im talkin about NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our hole staff has improved from Milton to Harang thier all a little better this year.

Milton 2-1
Harang 1-1(1-2 if we dont come back today)

Harangs ERA is .80 lower with .2 IP more than milton.

WMR
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
Poor Eric Milton, got ripped by the board.

Milton got payed $235,294.11 for that effort.

We got nothing.

Wow, 235K just doesn't buy what it used to these days...

redsfan30
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
Balls are going into the leftfield bleachers like it's going out of style these last two days.

Doc. Scott
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
Top of 6. Gosling back to repeat it.

Abercrombie (2-2). Strike one. Always the best pitch. Abercrombie homers to the upper deck. Always the worst pitch.

6-4 Marlins. 493 feet on the homer. That's extremely scary for a number-eight hitter (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/reggie-abercrombie.shtml) who spent last year in High-A and AA hitting like .260. The fourth-longest in the history of GABP.

Willis. Gosling walks him on four in a row.

Tom Hume heads to the mound. The bullpen starts up- my guess is Todd Coffey. I wait as Marty shills the Baseball 101 luncheon. No, it's Rick White.

Ramirez. Strike called. Foul. Count runs full. Chopper to Aurilia, and his only play is to first. One down.

Gosling yanked for White as Uggla steps in. Mike: 1.1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 HR, 1 HBP, responsible for the inherited runner. So make it two runs after White's work.

Uggla (2-3). 1-2 count after a foul. Grounded into left for a single, and Willis is held at third. Corners, still only one out.

Cabrera (1-3, HR). Uh-oh. Grounder to third, and EE tries to tag Willis, but misses him. Close play. Infield single will load the bases. Strange.

Willingham (0-3, ROE). Two batters faced by White, two hits. High and inside, ball one. Called strike. Strike two. Ball two. Slammed into center, base hit. Two runs score, as Uggla bowls over Jason LaRue.

8-4 Marlins. One run to Gosling, one to White.

Mile-high popup hit by Jacobs (0-2, HBP), and Rich Aurilia gloves it after teasing miscommunication with EE. Two outs.

Olivo (1-3, HR). Liner to left, base hit, but Dunn throws the runner out at the plate! Three outs.

8-4 Florida after 6.

membengal
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
Harumph. Man, it's annoying how well our pitchers continue to tee the ball up for opposing hitters...

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
Abercrombie homers. 6-4 Marlins.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:20 PM
son of a *****

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
pass the Pepto Abysmal please.

MasonBuzz3
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
Wow, that's wily mo territory up there

The Baumer
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
That home run was all casual luxury.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
.80 lower is a lot.

membengal
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
It's a new season.

Harang has done no more then Milton so far this season. Last year is the past im talkin about NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our hole staff has improved from Milton to Harang thier all a little better this year.

Milton 2-1
Harang 1-1(1-2 if we dont come back today)

Harangs ERA is .80 lower with .2 IP more than milton.

Do you understand that new seasons don't happen in a vacuum? And that we have past performance to use to gauge matters and expectations going forward?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
Abercrombie was in an 0 for 22 slump and now has I think 5 hits in a row against our pitching.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
Walked the Pitcher again...........gesh.

djsauter
04-19-2006, 02:21 PM
Maybe the Marlins are just sweet?

Okay..we'll see who is right when they win the World Series this year.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:22 PM
well should Jerry go to Belisile, Hammond or White here?

cumberlandreds
04-19-2006, 02:22 PM
When will Narron learn that if you get one scoreless inning from a reliever,don't press your luck,take him out. :)

REDSEER
04-19-2006, 02:22 PM
and he walks Willis on four pitches

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:22 PM
Gridiron, I appreciate that you like to see the positives, but you can't force that way of following the team on everyone else and get upset when they don't follow suit. If that's your way of following the team, fine. But don't expect me or anyone else to do the same.

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:23 PM
well should Jerry go to Belisile, Hammond or White here?

That's what you call Reds Bullpen Roulette with 6 bullets.

djsauter
04-19-2006, 02:23 PM
Just make Coffey pitch every inning of relief. That would be fun.

cumberlandreds
04-19-2006, 02:23 PM
well should Jerry go to Belisile, Hammond or White here?
That's like picking between regular,premium or hi-test gasoline. :D

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:23 PM
Could this staff be the worst in the history of baseball........if the hope on the farm ends up sucking........a team era in the eights is possible......

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:24 PM
Could this staff be the worst in the history of baseball........if the hope on the farm ends up sucking........a team era in the eights is possible......
1930 Phillies

2001MUgrad
04-19-2006, 02:24 PM
Anyone know how to get around websense page blocking?? It blocks me on MLB.com as soon as it tries to connect to the server with the audio.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:24 PM
This may be our worst bullpen ever...and that's saying something.

traderumor
04-19-2006, 02:24 PM
It's a new season.

Harang has done no more then Milton so far this season. Last year is the past im talkin about NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our hole staff has improved from Milton to Harang thier all a little better this year.

Milton 2-1
Harang 1-1(1-2 if we dont come back today)

Harangs ERA is .80 lower with .2 IP more than milton.

Harang had a bad outing today for whatever reason, and because of his track record, I will not apply the following comment to him.

You can try to shine up these turds in whatever manner you see fit, but they still smell the same. When a bunch of rookies are cranking balls into the upper deck against your chuckers in consecutive games, you better go find the drawing board. Dan Uggla for God's sake. Digest that.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:25 PM
That's like picking between regular,premium or hi-test gasoline. :Dwhile standing in a raging inferno

ramp101
04-19-2006, 02:25 PM
fyi, Abercrombie's homerun went 493 feet

3rd longest in GABP history

*goes back to his hole*

Wheelhouse
04-19-2006, 02:25 PM
Rick White rolls his way to the mound...

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:26 PM
Do you understand that new seasons don't happen in a vacuum? And that we have past performance to use to gauge matters and expectations going forward?

Do you understand that milton was coming off injury last season and busted his butt between the Manger change last year and now to improve every aspect of his pitching game?

It's like if someone scorns some of you your ALWAYS A HATER, and nothing would change that.

I mean what if its game #162 this season, Miltons on the mound and he pitches 8 shutout innings and leads the reds to clinching a playoff spot? Would you like him then? Nah, u'd still say "he got lucky and he'll cost us the round 1 series"

LOL

If milton didnt have the ability to win help the Reds win ball games, he wouldnt be there!!!

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:26 PM
This may be our worst bullpen ever...and that's saying something.Marty said the bullpen was going to be "much improved" ... and we all know that he knows his baseball stuff.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:26 PM
Gridiron, I appreciate that you like to see the positives, but you can't force that way of following the team on everyone else and get upset when they don't follow suit. If that's your way of following the team, fine. But don't expect me or anyone else to do the same.
Drink the Kool Aid... Come on it's good...

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 02:26 PM
fyi, Abercrombie's homerun went 493 feet

3rd longest in GABP history

*goes back to his hole*

Yeah, but if you go to Old Navy, you could've gotten that same home run for a third of the cost.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:26 PM
Just make Coffey pitch every inning of relief. That would be fun.
not a bad idea.......couldn't be any worse.....might as well bring in some underhand softball pitcher's....maybe they could keep the ball in the park............

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:27 PM
You can try to shine up these turds in whatever manner you see fit, but they still smell the same. When a bunch of rookies are cranking balls into the upper deck against your chuckers in consecutive games, you better go find the drawing board. Dan Uggla for God's sake. Digest that.

How exactly does one go about shining up a turd?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:27 PM
fyi, Abercrombie's homerun went 493 feet

3rd longest in GABP history

*goes back to his hole*
Ramp,

Enjoy this series tomorrow your team has to go back to facing major league pitching.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:27 PM
Harang had a bad outing today for whatever reason, and because of his track record, I will not apply the following comment to him.

You can try to shine up these turds in whatever manner you see fit, but they still smell the same. When a bunch of rookies are cranking balls into the upper deck against your chuckers in consecutive games, you better go find the drawing board. Dan Uggla for God's sake. Digest that.

Uggla was one of Harangs 3 HR's gave up today too.

maybe its just milton sucks so bad that a rookie can go yard on him one day, then the next day harang has a bad day so he takes him yard too?????

They may be rookies but thier playing MLB for a reason........thier GOOD!

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Drink the Kool Aid... Come on it's good...

:KoolAid:

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Marty said the bullpen was going to be "much improved" ... and we all know that he knows his baseball stuff.

I think most of us thought it would be.

pedro
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
If milton didnt have the ability to win help the Reds win ball games, he wouldnt be there!!!

that's just funny.

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
If milton didnt have the ability to win help the Reds win ball games, he wouldnt be there!!!If Carl Lindner had taken a nap the day Dan O'Brien came to meet with him he would not have dozed off and woken up to an agreement making O'Brien manager and Eric Milton would be pissing off some other fan base.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Abercrombie's HR - 493 ft

jesusfan
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Can we please get a bullpen!

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
How exactly does one go about shining up a turd?have it bat against Red's pitching?

Heath
04-19-2006, 02:28 PM
I give, are we winning or losing? I see references to human excretment, kool-aid, & Morgan Fairchild Old Navy Ads, but no ball scores.

:rolleyes: :D

edabbs44
04-19-2006, 02:29 PM
Rick White in...I have a feeling that the Reds are emptying out their BP this series and saying "If you can't get these guys out, you are gone." Burns last night, White now. Hammond will be next.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:29 PM
Ugghhh....Rick Freaking White....

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:29 PM
I give, are we winning or losing? I see references to human excretment, kool-aid, & Morgan Fairchild Old Navy Ads, but no ball scores.

:rolleyes: :DDoes it matter, we are like a Reds broadcaster, too busy discussing other topics to pay attention to the game.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:29 PM
Coors Field has hr record of 303 total..........I predict GAB obliterates that record this season.......I bet it ends up being close to 400........

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:29 PM
I give, are we winning or losing? I see references to human excretment, kool-aid, & Morgan Fairchild Old Navy Ads, but no ball scores.

:rolleyes: :D6-4 Marlins top 6th.

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 02:30 PM
They may be rookies but thier playing MLB for a reason........thier GOOD!

That, and the Marlins are on pace to get outdrawn by Elder High School this year. They've gotta cut costs somewhere, and you can only make the hot dogs so short before the fans catch on.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:30 PM
This game has comeback all over it

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:30 PM
that's just funny.

Seriously! Does the same go for Mike Burns, Rick White, Tony Womack, et al.

TeamBoone
04-19-2006, 02:30 PM
Marty says HRs aren't worth noting unless they're at least 450'.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2006, 02:31 PM
I kind of hope Castellini doesn't come down too hard on Krivsky to fix the team too hastily. I want the team turned around as fast as possible, but not a minute too soon.

This team is definitely going to be 15 to 20 games out by June 1st. I just hope that the trades made over the course of the year are made for now and the future.

Roy Tucker
04-19-2006, 02:31 PM
Drink the Kool Aid... Come on it's good...
I like black cherry.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:32 PM
Good call by the ump. EdE couldn't have thrown the guy out at first if he had wanted to.

redsfan30
04-19-2006, 02:32 PM
Marty says HRs aren't worth noting unless they're at least 450'.
As I know Marty haters are going to jump all over this, he did NOT say the homeruns themselves are not worth noting....the distance is not worth noting.

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:33 PM
White comes in and immediately gives up 2 hits to load the bases.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:33 PM
That's what TB said.

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:33 PM
Just make Coffey pitch every inning of relief. That would be fun.

It would be if he ran in from the bullpen every inning he pitched.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:33 PM
I hear taps again

pedro
04-19-2006, 02:33 PM
now pitching for the Reds....

http://www.strangecult.com/pisser/koolaid/km_crash1.jpg

Clemson
04-19-2006, 02:34 PM
lets get wagner back up here

CTA513
04-19-2006, 02:34 PM
dumping gas on the fire.

Wheelhouse
04-19-2006, 02:34 PM
White...whew

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
lets get wagner back up herehe got shelled in AAA today, ERA now over 7. He will fit right in.

savafan
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
I've seen enough of Rick White in a Reds uniform.

This is Uggla!

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
Re-tool the entire bullpen (except for Mercker, Weathers, and Coffey)

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
Why are Burns and White always so high on the list for Narron. Why not Coffey. He always seem to be third option out ot he bullpen. Why?

Reds Fanatic
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
Willingham drives in 2 more. 3 straight hits against White. 8-4 Marlins.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
We need a line change in the bullpen

traderumor
04-19-2006, 02:35 PM
How exactly does one go about shining up a turd?Turdle Wax? :help:

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
lets get wagner back up here

He's not the answer. He's just as bad.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
My goodness.....these guys are just unbelievably awful.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
Well until we can get a Bullpen to keep games within reach, we can tally up a LOSS everytime our SP leaves and we are Behind or have less than a 3 run lead :(

HAS TO BE SOMEONE who can get OUTS in our bullpen............. had a great night against the cards 1 in 2 weeks SUCKS!!!!!

I think we should all go try out for the reds bullpen... i bet half of us could make it.

Code Red
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
I really think any decent random college pitcher could be as effective as White or Burns.

RedsMan3203
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
White is White hot! ;)

Casey_21
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
It's a new season.

Harang has done no more then Milton so far this season. Last year is the past im talkin about NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our hole staff has improved from Milton to Harang thier all a little better this year.

Milton 2-1
Harang 1-1(1-2 if we dont come back today)

Harangs ERA is .80 lower with .2 IP more than milton.

New season dosent make a new pitcher... Not one with Milton's whole past, anyway. Your not gonna be mediocre to suck almost your whole career, and come out the next year as a 31 year old and be re-newed. Harang is a young man who has already proven himself.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
I think when a Reds reliever signs a contract there must be a clause that all inherited runners must be allowed to score.

PuffyPig
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
I've seen enough of Rick White in a Reds uniform.

This is Uggla!

Yeah, real Uggla!!!

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 02:36 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2006 Reds Pitching Staff:

http://blogga.ru/image/lizdiary/00_04gascans.jpg

smith288
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
Does the bullpen know that their duties is to avoid letting the batter from hitting the ball? I know its a stupid question but you really have to get to basics here.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
I really think any decent random college pitcher could be as effective as White or Burns.or maybe a couple of guys from AA

membengal
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
MWN: Only thing I can think of on Coffey is that Narron sees him as the "set-up" guy, and we don't get him until the 8th. As usual, short-sighted, in that close games can get out of hand before they get to the assigned roles handed to bullpen types.

TeamBoone
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
As I know Marty haters are going to jump all over this, he did NOT say the homeruns themselves are not worth noting....the distance is not worth noting.

I did not hear him mention the word "distance".

NDRed
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
LaRue for the best reliever you can get would be a nice start.

Aronchis
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
Wags fastball still stinks. Flat and so hittable. He is trade fodder IMO.

Strikes Out Looking
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
Why no Coffey here? I believe Narron thinks he'll use Coffey in the 7th, Mercker in the 8th and Weathers in the 9th. He doesn't seem to see that his team will be trailing by a touchdown by that point.

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:37 PM
Coffey is the SU man... gets us through the 8th without DAMAGE which is where you need it most.

We need a LONG RP someone who can do 2 innings without giving up 3 runs.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
i'd call up mario soto ....he couldn't be any worse........tell him your not coaching.your pitching......

westofyou
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
I give, are we winning or losing? I see references to human excretment, kool-aid, & Morgan Fairchild Old Navy Ads, but no ball scores.

:rolleyes: :D
8-4 a monster in the BP called failure rears its ugly head to bite another possible victory in the arse.

Somewhere grown men fret, woman shed tears and a ballplayers wife orders the shrimp cocktail and a Mimosa whilst she shops at the Kenwood Towne Centre

Chip R
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
Turdle Wax? :help:

:lol: Very good. :thumbup:

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
if the Fish could run the bases who knows how many they might have scored in the series.

MWM
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
I know I've said this before but I keep coming back to the thought. But it's hard to believe a bullpen can really be this bad. Seriously, normally even bad pitchers are capable of throwing a good inning or two every once in a while. This bullpen is automatic. Shouldn't the law of averages dictate that sometimes some of these hits will find their way into gloves. It's been bad before, but this is the worst I've ever seen. It's hard to believe it's possible to be this bad.

Roy Tucker
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
Coffey is too good to use.

hammer
04-19-2006, 02:38 PM
If the bullpen does not improve it is going to be a long season, its not like we are playing the best in baseball here today. I think the reds need to go out and try to get some bull pen help, or pray the starters can get to the 8th every night.

REDSEER
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
In the meanwhile white is saved on a nice play after giving up his fourth hit.

pedro
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
LaRue for the best reliever you can get would be a nice start.


better be someone young, good, and under the Reds control for a coupe of years if you're going to trade Larue for a single RP.

indyred
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2006 Reds Pitching Staff:

http://blogga.ru/image/lizdiary/00_04gascans.jpg
lol.....now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!

smith288
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
We need a LONG RP someone who can do 2 innings without giving up 3 runs.
or 4 or 5

jesusfan
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
Getting rid of Hancock looks real stupid about now.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
BTW, who threw out Cabrera at the plate?

GridironGrace
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
I say bring Bailey up for a few weeks let him have a crack at doing something for us.... atleast we know he could get EVERYDAY an inning or so

A-Dub
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
This just in. We suck.

membengal
04-19-2006, 02:39 PM
Coffey is the SU man... gets us through the 8th without DAMAGE which is where you need it most.

We need a LONG RP someone who can do 2 innings without giving up 3 runs.

Technically, "where you need it most" can vary from game to game. For instance, it was "needed most" today in the 6th, and the firestarters Narron summoned made sure that it got back to out of hand. Less than cool.

Casey_21
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
We need a bit of nasty Weathers.

redsfan30
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
I did not hear him mention the word "distance".
Yep, he was talking about how he doesn't put much stock into how far a homerun travels until it hits the 450 foot range.

TheBigLebowski
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
Maybe Womack can pitch. Teach him to throw a knucksie or something.

Falls City Beer
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
The answer to the biggest and the smallest pitching problem and everything in between does not exist within the Reds' system. Improvement to this team's pitching (of any kind or degree) will have to come from without.

traderumor
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
C'mon guys, don't you know the score doesn't matter much when choosing your relief pitcher, it's what inning your in?

pedro
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
I say bring Bailey up for a few weeks let him have a crack at doing something for us.... atleast we know he could get EVERYDAY an inning or so

that's an incredible bad idea.

Matt700wlw
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
BTW, who threw out Cabrera at the plate?

I think it was Dunn...

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
Getting rid of Hancock looks real stupid about now.or that Reitsma guy a few years back.

MasonBuzz3
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
BTW, who threw out Cabrera at the plate?
Dunn

WMR
04-19-2006, 02:40 PM
http://www.cowboysguide.com/GIFs/badjob.gif

Caveat Emperor
04-19-2006, 02:41 PM
Getting rid of Hancock looks real stupid about now.

Why? He'd have been awful if he was here too -- it's not enough that the veterans the Reds sign are awful, the young pitchers they have seem to get little to no instructional help and rarely improve while on the club.

flyer85
04-19-2006, 02:41 PM
DunnNo

redsfan30
04-19-2006, 02:41 PM
The answer to the biggest and the smallest pitching problem and everything in between does not exist within the Reds' system. Improvement to this team's pitching (of any kind or degree) will have to come from without.
Without a doubt.

ramp101
04-19-2006, 02:41 PM
Ramp,

Enjoy this series tomorrow your team has to go back to facing major league pitching.
actually, we play Philly :D