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registerthis
04-21-2006, 11:36 AM
So, I'm in the shower this morning, and my idle thoughts turn to the Designated Hitter. Don't ask me how, moments before I had been humming a Styx song, so that tells you where my mind goes in the A.M.

Anyway, I sort of stumbled onto a question that may be very elemental, but i couldn't think of the answer to it, because I don't think I've ever seen it done. Can a D.H. bat for someone other than the pitcher? Suppose an A.L. team has a pitcher who can hit relatively well, but a very light-hitting middle infielder or something. Could the D.H. bat for the light-hitting infielder? And if he does, does he have to bat for that position during the entire game, meaning that the pitcher--regardless of who he is--would have to bat throughout the whole game as well?

Be wary of those late-night drinks, kids, or your mind starts doing things like this...

westofyou
04-21-2006, 11:42 AM
Pitcher only from what I understand.


The Designated Hitter rule:

A hitter may be designated to bat for the starting pitcher and all subsequent pitchers in any game without otherwise affecting the status of the pitcher(s) in the game. A Designated Hitter for the pitcher must be selected prior to the game and must be included in the lineup cards presented to the Umpire-in-Chief.

The Designated Hitter named in the starting lineup must come to bat at least one time, unless the opposing club changes pitchers. It is not mandatory that a club designate a hitter for the pitcher, but failure to do so prior to the game precludes the use of a Designated Hitter for that game.

Pinch hitters for a Designated Hitter may be used. Any substitute hitter for a Designated Hitter himself becomes a Designated Hitter. A replaced Designated Hitter shall not re-enter the game in any capacity. The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.

A runner may be substituted for the Designated Hitter and the runner assumes the role of the Designated Hitter.

A Designated Hitter is "locked" into the batting order. No multiple substitutions may be made that will alter the batting rotation of the Designated Hitter.

Once the game pitcher is switched from the mound to a defensive position this move shall terminate the DH role for the remainder of the game. Once a pinch-hitter bats for any player in the batting order and then enters the game to pitch, this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game.

Once a Designated Hitter assumes a defensive position this move shall terminate the Designated Hitter role for the remainder of the game.

Highlifeman21
04-21-2006, 11:50 AM
For HS baseball, it's different. When I played, I was admittedly a weak hitting OF/P (couldn't touch a breaking ball with a tennis racket, and teams knew it) who thankfully had wheels and a strong arm to make up for the inability to not make outs so easily at the plate, so on days I wasn't on the mound, I was the defensive counterpart to the DH in the OF, and on days I took the mound, I just pitched.

I'm not sure about other levels of ball, but circa 1996-99, that's what we did in Cincy HS Baseball.

Johnny Footstool
04-21-2006, 12:00 PM
My friend coaches HS girls' softball, and he told me they get a DH and a designated RUNNER who can run for the catcher. The reasoning is that want to give catchers a break since they play doubleheaders and very few catchers are available.

registerthis
04-21-2006, 12:05 PM
Pitcher only from what I understand.

Yep, that seems to answer the question. I appreciate the info.

blumj
04-21-2006, 12:33 PM
Believe me, as a fan of an AL team that has had Alex Gonzalez, Pokey Reese, Rey Sanchez, etc., in its regular starting lineup, you are not the first person who has ever had that thought.

redsmetz
04-21-2006, 01:31 PM
From the Rule:


The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.

Does anybody know if this has ever happened in an official game?

westofyou
04-21-2006, 01:35 PM
From the Rule:



Does anybody know if this has ever happened in an official game?
Happens all the time.

smith288
04-21-2006, 01:46 PM
I give you props for the usage of "elemental". :thumbup:

BuckWoody
04-21-2006, 02:23 PM
Designated hitter? I thought this was a baseball question. ;)

BoydsOfSummer
04-21-2006, 04:22 PM
Designated hitter? I thought this was a baseball question. ;)


:lol:

westofyou
04-21-2006, 04:53 PM
Designated hitter? I thought this was a baseball question. ;)
Distinguished History
Who was the first designated hitter? Ron Blomberg's name may be a bit of trivia, but the impact of the DH since '73 has not been trivial

By Steve Wulf

Issue date: April 5, 1993

Sports Illustrated Flashback The Palm Court, the Tony restaurant in the lobby of the Plaza Hotel in New York City, is a place frequented by legends. The Beatles, Princess Grace of Monaco, Eloise of fiction and Macaulay Culkin of filmdom have all dined in this elegant setting. Who knows whom one might see sitting behind one of the palm fronds? Why, that man shuffling toward a table, isn't that . . . yes, it is, Mickey Rivers. "Hey, Mick the Quick!" shouts a big guy sitting at another table. "How's it goin'?" Rivers smiles faintly in acknowledgment. "Great ballplayer, Mickey Rivers," the man says to his teenage son and a guest. "Better than I was. But was he a first? No. Ron Guidry, over there, was a Hall of Fame pitcher in my book. Old White Lightning. (Uh, that was Louisiana Lightning.) But was he a first? No. Was Mickey Mantle a first? No. But I was. Me, Ron Blomberg, the Boomer. By a stroke of fate, I was a first. The first designated hitter."

Blomberg, Guidry and Rivers are part of a contingent of New York Yankees, past and present, who are staying at the Plaza this February weekend to take part in a Yankee Fan Fest. The years have not been kind to Blomberg's hairline, and his waistline has expanded a little, but his essential sweet nature hasn't changed. He was a good ol' Jewish boy from Georgia back then, and he is a good older Jewish boy from Georgia now. He was prone to errors then, and he is prone to errors now. And as always, he can talk a blue pinstripe. "I called up the Palm restaurant last night for a reservation -- fancy place, right? (Right.) 'The name is Ron Blomberg,' I said. The maitre d' said, 'Ron Blomberg? The first designated hitter?' Same thing happened when I called the Atrium Health Club. The guy said, 'Ron Blomberg? The first DH?' It's incredible. I was an answer in Trivial Pursuit. I was an answer (actually, a question) on Jeopardy! The guy on ESPN, Steve Berman (uh, Chris Berman), mentions me all the time. And all because I pulled my hamstring in spring training 20 years ago."

Designated-Hitter Trivia Question No. 1: What did New York Yankee Ron Blomberg say on April 6, 1973, the day he became the first designated hitter to bat in a major league game, when he walked with the bases loaded against Luis Tiant of the Boston Red Sox in the first inning?

(a) "It was one small walk for a man, one giant walk for mankind."
(b) "The DH rule will turn American League managers into robots with no discernible decisions to make."
(c) "Was Mickey Mantle a first? No. But I was. Me, Ron Blomberg."
(d) "I don't know how I'll make out as a designated hitter. I've never done it before."

The answer is (d). Blomberg really did utter that Berraism when asked how he liked being the DH. The funny thing was, Yankee manager Ralph Houk had never once used Blomberg, a first baseman, as a DH in spring training. But just before the season began, Blomberg slightly pulled a hamstring in his right leg. "Ralph told me that if it was cold in Boston on Opening Day, he might put me in the lineup as the DH to keep me from really hurting myself," says Blomberg. So if Blomberg hadn't strained his leg, or if the weather had been warmer, Felipe Alou or Johnny Callison, the other Yankee DH candidates, might have been the first designee.

DH Day turned out to be bright, sunny and cold, with Fenway Park temperatures in the 40's and winds gusting up to 30 mph. As Ray Fitzgerald wrote in The Boston Globe the next day, "The game didn't need a designated hitter. It needed a designated meteorologist." The wind played a role in that first American League game of the season when, with two outs and the bases empty, Matty Alou lofted a fly ball that got up in the currents, baffling centerfielder Reggie Smith and falling for a double. Had Smith caught the ball, Boston's Orlando Cepeda might have been the first DH to bat. But Tiant then walked Bobby Murcer and Graig Nettles, and Blomberg was up.

"Carlton Fisk was behind the plate," says Blomberg. "I said to him, 'I feel weird.' Then I said, 'What's he throwin'?' And Carlton said, 'He's throwin' it right by you.'" Tiant did throw it by Blomberg, four balls' worth, and the DH walked to first as Matty Alou walked home with the game's first run. The next batter, Felipe Alou, doubled, giving the Yankees a 3-0 lead. It looked as if it was going to be a rout, and it was: 15-5. The 15, however, belonged to the Red Sox, who blasted Mel Stottlemyre for eight runs in the first three innings. The then 25-year-old Fisk, who is the only player from that game still active, hit two home runs, including a grand slam, and drove in six runs. The only Boston regular without a hit was the DH, Cepeda. For his part Blomberg went 1 for 3, with a single and the walk.

After the game Yankee public-relations man Marty Appel went down to the clubhouse to get Blomberg's Louisville Slugger in order to send it to the Hall of Fame, where it is still prominently displayed. ''We lose 15-5, and all these reporters are asking me questions after the game,'' says Blomberg. ''That's really the first time I sensed that I was part of history.'' Indeed, later that day The CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite ran a feature on the designated hitter, with David Culhane reporting from Boston and Morton Dean reporting from another game, in Baltimore. Appel, who is now the p.r. director for the '96 Atlanta Olympics, says, "My one regret about that day is not saving the lineup card. I have no idea who has it, or if anybody even bothered to keep it. But I can almost guarantee you, though, that Houk spelled Blomberg as Blumberg and that (shortstop) Gene Michael's last name came out Michaels. Ralph always did that."

Despite the game's historical significance, some of the other participants don't have much to say about DH Day. Says Houk, now 73 and retired in Winter Haven, Fla., "I have a hard time remembering what I ate for breakfast." Tiant, now a minor league pitching instructor, says he can't recall a thing about the game. And Fisk, too, remembers nothing about the game. His wife, Linda, however, did have this to say when told her husband played in the first designated-hitter game: "Ron Blomberg, right?"

DH Trivia Question No. 2: The father of the designated hitter is:

(a) Connie Mack
(b) John A. Heydler
(c) Frank Tepedino
(d) Charlie Finley
(e) Sol Blomberg

Actually, you could make a case for any of them, so the answer is all of the above. Now take a guess as to how far back designated history goes. Fifty years? Sixty years? Try 87 years, or at least 87. The following excerpt is from the article "Why the Pitcher Ought to Bat," which first appeared in the Philadelphia North American and was reprinted in the Feb. 3, 1906, edition of Sporting Life: The suggestion, often made, that the pitcher be denied a chance to bat, and a substitute player sent up to hit every time, has been brought to life again, and will come up for consideration when the American and National League Committees on rules get together. This time Connie Mack is credited with having made the suggestion. He argues that a pitcher is usually such a poor hitter that his time at the bat is a farce, and the game would be helped by eliminating him in favor of a better hitter. Against the change there are many strong points to be made. . . . It is a cardinal principle of baseball that every member of the team should both field and bat. . . . The better remedy would be to teach (the pitcher) how to hit the ball.

So, baseball people have been having the same argument about hitting for the pitcher since Connie Mack was in knee pants or at least since he was the 43- year-old owner-manager of the Philadelphia Athletics. The next honcho to go to bat for an extra hitter was Heydler, the president of the National League from 1918 until '34. Heydler, a former umpire and sportswriter, helped bring Kenesaw Mountain Landis to baseball and baseball to Cooperstown, and he wanted to bring a little more offense to the game. In the late '20s he made repeated efforts to introduce a 10th-man experiment, and he came very close to getting National League clubs to agree to try it during spring training in 1929.

Finally, in 1940, a California amateur league called the Bushrod Winter League used a designated-hitter rule, and the idea soon caught on in other amateur circuits. But it wasn't until the hitting drought of the late '60s that the DH idea was revived in the pros. By 1968 the pitcher had become so dominant that Carl Yastrzemski led all American League hitters with a .301 average, while Denny McLain won 31 games and Bob Gibson had a 1.12 ERA. After that season the major leagues agreed to 1) lower the mound from 15 to 10 inches and 2) change the upper limit of the strike zone from the top of a batter's shoulders to his armpits.

In 1969 baseball also started to experiment with a designated hitter. It was used in some American League exhibition games -- National League teams refused to be guinea pigs -- but more important, the Triple A International League agreed to institute it for the '69 season. Which brings us to Tepedino. The Brooklyn-raised Yankee farmhand had a sweet lefthanded stroke and a questionable glove at first base and in the outfield, so he did much of the designated hitting for Syracuse. When the figures were tabulated at the end of the season, the International League batting average was up 17 points from the year before, from .251 to .268, and total runs for the eight clubs had risen from 4,662 to 5,000. Other International League DHs that year included Choo Choo Coleman, Thurman Munson, Wilbur Huckle, Terry Crowley and Arlo Brunsberg, but Tepedino, who batted .300 with 16 homers and 61 RBIs in 357 at bats, was the king. The experiment was an obvious success. However, bowing to pressure from baseball purists, the International League discontinued the DH after '69. And Tepedino soon found himself stuck in the organization behind another lefthanded hitter with a sweet stroke and a questionable glove: Ron Blomberg.

Though the DH trial was over by 1970, the idea stayed alive in the American League, which found itself lagging behind the National League at both the plate and the gate. The NL, riding the wave of its new artificial-turf stadiums, had only three teams with less than one million in attendance, while the AL had only three teams with more than one million. Moreover, in 1972 the 12 National League teams scored 824 more runs than the 12 American League clubs. Says Lee MacPhail, who was the Yankee general manager at the time, "Clearly, something had to be done. And personally, I never got a thrill out of watching a pitcher hit."

The most vociferous proponent of the DH was Oakland A's owner Charlie Finley, he of the orange baseballs and color-coded bases. "I pushed the DH for three years," he says. "They thought I was nuts, but after continuously harping, I finally woke them up." Finley was so enamored of the DH, in fact, that he acquired one even before the rule was passed, trading McLain to the Atlanta Braves in June 1972 for the hobbling Cepeda. But Cepeda played only three games for the A's that year, and Finley, anticipating a no vote on the DH, released him. But two weeks later, on Jan. 11, 1973, Finley and the rest of the baseball world were surprised when American League owners voted 8-4 to institute a three-year experiment with the designated pinch hitter -- or DPH, as it was originally called. National League president Chub Feeney wished the AL luck, saying, "We like the rules the way they are," but in truth, the NL owners were almost evenly divided on the proposal. Two months later Larry Hisle of the Minnesota Twins inaugurated the role of designated hitter by swatting two homers and driving in seven runs in a 12-4 exhibition-game victory over the Pittsburgh Pirates. Another month would pass before the real first DH made his debut.

DH Trivia Question No. 3: Match these pitchers with their claim to fame:

1. Roric Harrison
2. Cy Acosta
3. Mark Langston
4. Rick Rhoden
5. Steve Stone

(a) First American League pitcher to bat after the DH rule was instituted.
(b) Last pitcher to bat in an American League regular-season game.
(c) Served as DH while attending Rosh Hashanah services.
(d) Last American League pitcher to homer in a regular-season game.
(e) Made Yankee regulars Rafael Santana and Joel Skinner feel very small.

If you got all five right, consider yourself a designated head case. The answers are 1 (d), 2 (a), 3 (b), 4 (e) and 5 (c). On Oct. 3, 1972, Harrison homered for the Baltimore Orioles. On June 20, 1973, Acosta had to bat after his Chicago White Sox manager, Chuck Tanner, moved designated hitter Tony Muser to first base to replace Dick Allen. On June 10, 1992, the California Angels' Langston pinch-ran for Hubie Brooks and stayed in the game when the team ran out of reserves. Langston struck out in both of his at bats. The answers to numbers 4 and 5 deserve more explanation.

On June 11, 1988, Yankee manager Billy Martin decided to make pitcher Rhoden his DH for the day, batting him seventh, ahead of shortstop Santana and catcher Skinner. Rhoden was a .239 lifetime hitter and some regulars were injured, but the move was also Martin's way of saying he needed bench help. "I thought he was joking," said Rhoden. He wasn't. Rhoden grounded out and hit a sacrifice fly in his two at bats. With 12 DH starts, Stone was Baltimore's fifth-most-used designated hitter in 1980, although he never actually went to bat. It seems that on Sept. 8 of that year, the Orioles knocked Detroit Tiger starter Milt Wilcox out of the box before he had a chance to face DH Lee May. Wilcox's reliever, Roger Weaver, retired May for the first out of the inning. Said Baltimore manager Earl Weaver after the game, "We knocked him out after five batters and had our DH coming up against a reliever I really didn't want him hitting against, but he stays in because I don't want to waste a hitter."

So for the rest of the month Earl Weaver routinely filled out lineup cards with pitchers as DHs, then batted for them the first time they came up. He was not only protecting himself in the unlikely event of an early knockout of the other pitcher, but he was also creating a mystery spot in his lineup that the other team would have to work around. One night in Detroit, Weaver penciled in Stone even though the pitcher had already flown ahead to Toronto because of Rosh Hashanah, and the next night in Toronto the skipper "started" pitcher Tippy Martinez, who was in Pueblo, Colo., attending his grandmother's funeral. After the season the Playing Rules Committee tacked on a Weaver clause to the designated-hitter rule so that the DH had to make a plate appearance. Despite that one blip, the designated-hitter rule has remained remarkably unchallenged in its 20 years of existence.

What hath the DH wrought? Well, it certainly wrought offense: The American League has had a higher overall batting average than the National League in every year since 1973, and over the last 20 seasons the junior circuit has outscored the senior circuit by more than half a run a game. The American League has also closed the attendance gap, thanks to improved offense and the prolonged careers of such superstars as Hank Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Dave Parker, Dave Winfield and George Brett. Besides offense and attendance, the DH also offers a hidden blessing, and that is the wealth of baseball lore that has piled up around it.

In particular, designated hitters have found unique ways of whiling away the time back in the clubhouse between at bats -- preparation-DH, if you will. Blomberg ate sandwiches. Kurt Bevacqua, who played 512 seasons in the American League, would hang upside down from a gyro machine. As a Yankee DH, Mike Easler kept loose by swinging his bat against a boxing heavy bag. When he was with the White Sox, Greg Luzinski would untie and tie his shoelaces to burn off energy. Brett works on his golf game, chipping plastic golf balls into the open boxes of candy and gum on the shelves of the Royal clubhouse. "My short game," says Brett, "was a lot better this winter." If a DH doesn't find something to do, he's liable to go crazy. Which may explain what happened to Larry Parrish, the Texas Ranger DH in 1986. Mired in a deep slump, Parrish was spotted standing at the plate in the darkened Metrodome stadium in Minneapolis one hour after a game. He was practicing his swing. Without a bat. In his shower gear.

DH Trivia Question No. 4: Which of the following baseball people actually liked the designated hitter?

(a) Bart Giamatti
(b) Bill White
(c) Joe McCarthy
(d) Fay Vincent
(e) Sparky Anderson

The answer is (c). McCarthy, who managed 3,489 regular-season games and 43 World Series games without the DH, said in 1970, eight years before his death, "I am intrigued by the possibilities of a designated hitter." On the other hand, Anderson, who has managed 2,158 games with the DH, says, "It stinks. The fans can't even tell if I can manage because of the DH." Giamatti thought the DH to be an abomination, and his successor as commissioner, Vincent, lobbied hard to have the rule abolished. White, the outgoing National League president, finds the DH so distasteful that he prevented the Mariners from using it in an exhibition game against the Padres in 1990, even though San Diego had already agreed to let Seattle use it.

Far more interesting are the opinions of the ballplayers themselves. Many, perhaps even the majority, think that a designated hitter is somehow incomplete. Brian Downing, who DH'd in more than 800 games for the White Sox, the California Angels and the Rangers, had one request before the final game of his career, last year -- to start at second base. "I want to go out a player," he said. (Downing was listed in the starting lineup as the second baseman, but he never actually went onto the field. After singling to lead off the game, he was replaced by Jeff Frye in the bottom of the inning.) After his MVP season in 1987, George Bell of the Blue Jays was shifted to DH to make room in the outfield for rookie sensation Sil Campusano. On March 17, 1988, in what came to be known as the St. Patrick's Day Massacre, Bell refused to bat in the first inning of an exhibition game against the Red Sox. As Willie Upshaw hurriedly grabbed a bat to pinch-hit, Toronto manager Jimy Williams popped out of the dugout and ran down the leftfield line to confront Bell, who was sitting in a lotus position, Gandhi-like, on the bullpen pitching mound. Williams ordered Mahatma Bell into the clubhouse and fined him $1,000 for his passive resistance. Left with little choice, Bell agreed to become the designated hitter, and as such he became the first player ever to hit three home runs on Opening Day. However, Campusano was a bust, and Bell was soon back in leftfield. He is now the White Sox DH, and contrite. "I was 28 and coming off an MVP year," Bell says. "I wasn't ready to come off the field."

The DH hasn't put everyone's nose out of joint. Easler, now the Red Sox hitting coach, says, "Being the DH is an honor. It's not for everybody. It's for guys who have a high intensity level, who stay in the game mentally and can come off the pine and swing the bat with authority. Something Dave Winfield said to me when we were with the Yankees bothered me more than anything I ever heard from a fan. He said one time when he was tired, 'These DHs have to play sometime. Give us every-day players a break.' I wonder how Dave feels now."

Winfield, of course, is now the Twins' DH. No designated hitter took his job more seriously than did Kansas City's Hal McRae, who is now the Royals' manager. He stayed in shape by working out with the pitchers before the game. Once the game started, he says, "I would sit in the dugout for three innings, studying the opposing pitcher. Then I would go to the clubhouse, talk to Al Zych, the equipment guy, stretch, watch the game on TV, talk, stretch some more, never losing track of the game. I wouldn't go down to the dugout until it was maybe two batters from my turn. But I never felt like an incomplete player. If anything, the DH is more of a team player. I was proud to help the club on offense and not hurt it on defense." McRae's remarks are reminiscent of something someone said, oh, about 20 years ago. "If Ralph thinks I can help most by being the DH, then it's all right with me," said Ron Blomberg. "I love to play, but I know that I'm a better hitter than anything else."

DH Trivia Question No. 5: Who was the major leagues' first designated hitter?

(a) Ron Blomberg
(b) Orlando Cepeda

"I always liked that kid," says Houk. "I still think Ronnie could've been the best designated hitter ever if he hadn't gotten hurt. Great swing. What's he doing now?" Well, he runs a career counseling service in Roswell, Ga., just north of Atlanta, but he also has a nice sideline going as the answer to a trivia question. Blomberg can be seen on cable-TV commercials for Ron Blomberg's Autograph Collector's Club of America: "Hi, do you know me? I'm Ron Blomberg, the first designated hitter. . . ." The club offers collectors a relatively inexpensive way of acquiring autographs. Blomberg also does the odd wedding or bar mitzvah as a featured guest. In '73 Blomberg was hitting .400 when he appeared on an SI cover ("Pride of the New Yankees," July 2) along with Bobby Murcer. Blomberg ended up hitting .329 in 301 at bats. But after that year he was beset by knee and shoulder injuries, and the Yankees released him after the '76 season. He tried to come back with the White Sox in '78, after a one-year layoff, but his body wouldn't allow it. Blomberg hit .231 (dropping his career average from .301 to .293), with five homers and 22 RBIs in 156 at bats, and never played again.

"I'm glad I gave it one more shot," he says, "but it cost me my .300 lifetime average. Then maybe I would have been known for something more than being the first DH. But at least I have that." Well, that depends. According to one theory, the answer to question No. 5 is not (a) but (b). The first designated hitter would be not the first DH to come to bat but rather the first DH to be so designated. And since the home team hands in its lineup card first, the first designated hitter was actually Cepeda. Nah, let the Boomer have his day. Cepeda already has Hall of Fame credentials, though he hasn't made it yet. Besides, we have another distinction for Cha-Cha. On April 8, two days later, Cepeda came up with the score tied 3-3 in the ninth against Yankee Sparky Lyle and hit a tremendous shot into the teeth of the wind and over the wall in left. To punctuate the 4-3 win, which gave the Red Sox a sweep of the Yankees, Cepeda did a little cha-cha as he crossed the plate. After the game Boston manager Eddie Kasko said that until that day he hadn't been crazy about the DH. "Now," said Kasko, "I consider it a right nice rule." Now you know the answer to the question, Who was the first player to change a manager's mind about the DH?

Issue date: April 5, 1993

Big Klu
04-21-2006, 05:04 PM
From the Rule:



Does anybody know if this has ever happened in an official game?

The Reds did this in an interleague game in Cleveland in 2000. Barry Larkin was the DH that game, and Juan Castro played SS. Castro was pinch-hit for in the top of the 13th (The Reds scored twice that inning), and Larkin went to the field and played the bottom of the inning at SS, with the relief pitcher, Manny Aybar, batting in Castro's spot.

Big Klu
04-21-2006, 05:31 PM
NCAA baseball rules are also a bit different regarding the DH. A team can use the DH for a pitcher only, but if the team chooses not to use a separate player as a DH, and instead allows the starting pitcher to hit for himself, then the starting pitcher is considered the de facto DH, and continues to be the DH even if he leaves the game as a pitcher.

John Olerud, who was a star P/1B for Washington State in the late 80's, often took advantage of this rule. On days that he didn't pitch, he started at 1B. But on days when he was the starting pitcher, he would also serve as the DH. Then he would remain in the game as the DH even after he was relieved on the mound.

registerthis
04-21-2006, 05:35 PM
but if the team chooses not to use a separate player as a DH, and instead allows the starting pitcher to hit for himself, then the starting pitcher is considered the de facto DH, and continues to be the DH even if he leaves the game as a pitcher.

That's just wacky.

GAC
04-21-2006, 05:40 PM
So, I'm in the shower this morning, and my idle thoughts turn to the Designated Hitter. Don't ask me how, moments before I had been humming a Styx song, so that tells you where my mind goes in the A.M.

Babe or Grand Illusion? :lol:

Matt700wlw
04-21-2006, 06:17 PM
Babe or Grand Illusion? :lol:


It could have been Lady or Come Sail Away :p:

Big Klu
04-21-2006, 06:25 PM
It could have been Lady or Come Sail Away :p:

Or maybe "The Best Of Times" or "Lorelei"! :cool:

Hopefully it wasn't "Mr. Roboto"! :eek:

westofyou
04-21-2006, 06:26 PM
When I think of lorelei my head turns all around

redsmetz
04-21-2006, 06:35 PM
Happens all the time.

Happens all the time? I can't ever recall seeing a game where the DH moved to play in the field and the pitcher took up batting. I'm sure it has happened, but not so frequently that one would say it "happens all the time".

westofyou
04-21-2006, 06:36 PM
Happens all the time? I can't ever recall seeing a game where the DH moved to play in the field and the pitcher took up batting. I'm sure it has happened, but not so frequently that one would say it "happens all the time".

Well it happens often enough that it's not an anomoly.

RFS62
04-21-2006, 06:38 PM
The DH is the devil.

Big Klu
04-21-2006, 06:49 PM
The DH is the devil.

You forgot the picture.

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1998_The_Waterboy/kathy_bates_the_waterboy_001.jpg

blumj
04-21-2006, 06:59 PM
Well, DHs do wind up getting moved to the field relatively often, but it rarely comes down to the pitchers actually hitting, that almost never happens unless there are multiple injuries and extra innings involved. Plenty of teams will DH a guy just to give him a rest, use a PH or PR for his fill-in, then put him in the field late in the game, lose the DH, and have it not effect anything.

MWM
04-21-2006, 06:59 PM
One of the most humilating moments in my baseball career was freshman year in high school playing on the school team. I was always a defense first, offense second player and I just wasn't hitting the ball at all. So the coach started to DH for me. It hurt bad. After a couple of weeks he let me hit again and I went on a tear for about a week before breaking my thumb sliding into second base during a game.

GAC
04-21-2006, 08:48 PM
You forgot the picture.

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/1998_The_Waterboy/kathy_bates_the_waterboy_001.jpg

Then it's pronounced "da DH is da debil!" ;)

blumj
04-21-2006, 10:24 PM
I love the DH, but then, I'm a Red Sox fan, and Papi playing 1B is something I don't need to see. Same goes for Matt Clement swinging a bat. I kind of like that the leagues are different in that way, though, too.

Raisor
04-22-2006, 11:29 AM
I thank the good lord for allowing the DH in the AL. If not for the DH, as a Mariner fan, I would have a) had to watch Randy Johnson hit and b) Watch Edgar Martinez hurt himself even more then he did.

Getting to watch Edgar hit is worth a million billion rep points.