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nkufan
04-21-2006, 07:06 PM
Zack Day was designated for assisgnment today. would you take a chance on him?

KronoRed
04-21-2006, 07:16 PM
Nope.

pedro
04-21-2006, 07:17 PM
If he was willing to go to Lousiville and wait for a call up that might never come.

Heath
04-21-2006, 07:18 PM
If he was willing to go to Lousiville and wait for a call up that might never come.

I'd probably bite on that. Team him up with Darrel May.

I don't think Zach got over being traded to Colorado. He's gonna be long relief anyhow. Might be an idea to slide Belisle into the 5 hole and let Day try his hand where a uni from home.

savafan
04-21-2006, 07:21 PM
Ah, Day. When I first read that, it came out in my head as Duke, and I was like, no way...Littlefield isn't really that dumb is he?

Crosley68
04-21-2006, 07:24 PM
I recall a couple years ago that there was an small ourcrying on this board to trade for him, Willy Mo or Kearns if I am correct. Just goes to show how predicting future success is difficult for both the professionals and us armchair GM's.

KronoRed
04-21-2006, 07:27 PM
Most of that outcry was because he's a local guy, if he were "Bob Smith from Oklahoma" I don't think many would have been after a guy with his record and skills.

Mario-Rijo
04-21-2006, 07:32 PM
I don't think there is any question he was probably unretreivably ruined sometime ago. But his 3 yrs in an Expos uniform would tell me to take a chance on him. He gave up about a hit an inning, his K's were always better than his walks (barely but still better) and he never gave up many longballs. Has he been ruined? Quite possibly but I would definitely give him a chance, send him to Chattanooga and give him a try.

Handofdeath
04-21-2006, 07:38 PM
Put him in the rotation and then give him two starts. If he does great the fans on this board will proclaim the next Tom Seaver. If he does lousy then they'll say dump his ass.

Matt700wlw
04-21-2006, 07:39 PM
Zack Day was designated for assisgnment today. would you take a chance on him?

Could it hurt?

Gallen5862
04-21-2006, 07:40 PM
Yes put in a claim for Zach Day and DfA Womack.

Crash Davis
04-21-2006, 08:09 PM
Ground ball pitcher in GABP.

redsmetz
04-21-2006, 08:43 PM
Zack Day was designated for assisgnment today. would you take a chance on him?

Is he the local guy (from LaSalle) who everyone thought would be traded to the Reds until one of our players broke his hand here? I'd take a flyer on him. As I recall he wasn't too bad and that might be better than what we have right now.

redsfan4445
04-21-2006, 08:56 PM
He cant do any worse than Dave Williams!!! give him a shot

BEETTLEBUG
04-21-2006, 09:52 PM
I think to give him a shot he is 20-24 with a 4.66 ERA and 3 saves in 5 years I think it is Coors sendrum. Try him cause he is from Cincy.

Unassisted
04-21-2006, 10:29 PM
Try him cause he is from Cincy.One of the big advantages to having a GM and principal owner who have spent time outside the Tri-State area is that they focus on the big picture rather than stocking the club with local talent.

Hometown discounts are a good thing. Hometown affirmative action is a baaad thing. :bang:

BEETTLEBUG
04-21-2006, 10:34 PM
One of the big advantages to having a GM and principal owner who have spent time outside the Tri-State area is that they focus on the big picture rather than stocking the club with local talent.

Hometown discounts are a good thing. Hometown affirmative action is a baaad thing. :bang:

THAT'S TRUE . SORRY

Bill
04-22-2006, 02:28 AM
If hometown affirmative action was in effect, Youkilis would be a Red right now and that would be a good thing. It's proven effective in the past as well.

Henry Clay
04-22-2006, 12:36 PM
It's not a matter of where the guy is from, but how he pitches. He's a ground ball pitcher who has been effective in the past. He can be had for very little. If Womack is going to be released anyway, the team should claim Day once he hits waivers, MRI the shoulder, and if he's healthy, give him a turn in the rotation. Day hasn't been in Colorado long, but Darryl Kile, Mike Hampton, and Chacon improved greatly after moving back east of the Rockies. Maybe Day's head isn't right due to being traded to the pitcher's hell that is Colorado. Maybe a trip to the pitcher's purgatory that is GABP would help. And if an MRI shows that his shoulder is inflamed, as some reports suggest, put him on the DL for a couple of weeks, send him on a rehab start, and the team has some insurance in case Williams and Wilson bust. It's such a low cost move that the team should do it. If he doesn't work out after a couple of starts, send him down to AAA. I doubt anyone would claim him after 2 DFAs in a season.

nycredsfan
04-22-2006, 12:40 PM
If it gets Dave Williams out of the rotation, it is certainly something that should be done. It is almost impossible for him to be any worse and at least we won't have to hear about the Casey trade everytime he stinks it up.

6-4-3
04-22-2006, 01:08 PM
Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP

2003 25 MON NL 9 8 23 23 1 1 0 0 131.3 132 64 61 8 59 61 10 13 580 3 0 4.18 4.97 119 1.454


This is Day's best big league season. However it is one of only two seasons in which he got more than 8 starts. He is someone I would like to take a chance on, anything to end the Dave Williams Era in Cincy quickly.

Spitball
04-22-2006, 03:47 PM
Well, if he can ever stay healthy, he will have to develop some command because he doesn't have it. Even groundball pitchers have to avoid walks and throw strikes. Did anyone see Jake Westbrook's start versus Baltimore this week?

Mario-Rijo
04-22-2006, 09:39 PM
Well, if he can ever stay healthy, he will have to develop some command because he doesn't have it. Even groundball pitchers have to avoid walks and throw strikes. Did anyone see Jake Westbrook's start versus Baltimore this week?


I will agree about having suspect command, but it's not so much his walks hurting him but being "too much around the plate". The combination of the 2 will kill you though. It seems to me though he could be very solid with little work if he has an excellent defense behind him. He has the makings of a Twins pick up.

WMR
04-22-2006, 10:37 PM
Sheesh why not take a flyer on the guy?

With what we've got, you need to be taking guys like Zack Day (guys with potential to be better than what we have), throwing them against the wall, and seeing if they stick.

Henry Clay
04-23-2006, 12:21 AM
Sheesh why not take a flyer on the guy?

With what we've got, you need to be taking guys like Zack Day (guys with potential to be better than what we have), throwing them against the wall, and seeing if they stick.

This view is exactly the right one with Milton and Williams in bad shape. Day could be had for nothing. He may be worth nothing, but give him a flyer and see if he can revert to past form. If not, he's just another bad starter. He'll fit in great. The difference is that the Reds can cut him after 2 bad starts and not owe him another $18 million (Milton) or wear a black eye due to a major trade gaffe (Williams). The Reds are not going to grow, find, or acquire the next coming of Tom Seaver this year. They need to find something soon in the Valley of Spare Parts to solidify the back end of the rotation. Day is an option. Germano and Gosling could be, as well. I don't necessarily love any of those options, but they probably beat an ineffective Dave Williams and injured Milton at this point. All this team needs is average starting pitching to compete. It shouldn't be that hard to cobble together something resembling a C grade rotation. If the Yankees could salvage their rotation last year with the lost cost likes of Small, Chacon, and Wang, it seems like the Reds should be able to get a couple of decent fill-in types to back up Arroyo, Harang, and Claussen, at least until Milton's knee regenerates. If the team can get someone who is a No. 1 or 2 starter to help into the future great, but for now, Zack Day is worth considering to fill the very back end of the rotation and to keep the bullpen from pitching 4 or 5 innings a night.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 12:23 AM
Zack Day was designated for assisgnment today. would you take a chance on him?I would, the Reds won't. At the very least they could dump White. As recent events have pointed out the Reds need some versatile arms in the pen. One that have a starting background and could step in they need to. He has decent stuff, certainly better than the majority of the current staff.

ghettochild
04-23-2006, 11:57 AM
i would, just to see more of his wife (she's hot :laugh:)

BEETTLEBUG
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
i would, just to see more of his wife (she's hot :laugh:)

Who is his WIFE?

Ravenlord
04-23-2006, 05:20 PM
i've been going back through my charting and scouting reports from last year (2005) and came across Day. i had left his report incomplete because i didn't see him after he broke his wrist. earlier today (which is now about two weeks ago) i went back and watched his 5 outings as a Rockie and finished my report.



Age ERA IP K/BB BB/9 K/9 H/9 HR/9 WHIP BABIP GB/FB
24 3.62 37.1 1.67 3.62 6.03 6.75 0.72 1.15 229 2.36
25 4.18 131.1 1.04 4.04 4.18 9.05 0.55 1.45 281 2.58
26 3.93 116.2 1.36 3.47 4.71 9.03 1.00 1.39 279 1.81
27 6.85 47.1 0.72 6.08 4.37 11.60 1.14 1.96 329 1.44
MLB 4.41 332.2 1.13 4.09 4.60 9.14 0.81 1.47 282 2.06
Minors 3.67 576.1 2.87 2.78 7.98 9.34 0.36 1.35 - -


Stats, INC
Day uses his excellent sinking fastball to great effect; inducing groundballs at better than twice the rate he gives up flies. He works quickly, mixing in a curve, change and slider to keep hitters off-balance and his infielders on their toes. His command and strikeout rate improved over 2003, both good signs for continued development. One alarming trend is an increased home-run rate, which was in part due to a big drop in his groundball rate. While in '03 most of his mistakes were with his fastball low, last year they were in the zone with his secondary pitches.

My Scouting
It was fairly obvious very quickly that Day wasn’t finishing most of his pitches while he was still with Washington. He was finishing upright after nearly every pitch. At that point of time, my conjecture was that he was still feeling the affects of a back strain in spring training. When Griffey lined that ball off of Day’s wrist I felt that was the best possible thing that could have happened for his back. Upon returning with Colorado, he was finishing his pitches, however 4 of his 5 appearances were in Colorado and it showed through in his numbers.
Looking at footage of Day pitching in ’04 he has an outstanding two-seam fastball (rate 68), a slightly above-average curveball (52), a less than average slider (I thought it was a cutter, but Ron Darling who is the Nationals’ TV guy kept calling it a slider)(42), and an average straight-change (50). He locates his secondary pitches very well. Despite his stuff, he has a very poor major league K rate. I believe that the primary reason for this is he has had it beaten in his head to throw two-seamers and let his defense get outs for him, as he throws his two-seam fastball around 90% of the time. I believe that if he threw his two-seamer only about 65% of the time, he could bring his K rate to at least the 6.4 range.
Compounding the problem of Day throwing so many sinkers, and this was especially evident in the 2004 footage, is that umpires pretty much refuse to call his secondary pitches strikes. The best example of this was in an at bat against Geoff Jenkins. Jenkins had a 2-2 count, Day threw a curveball that crossed the center of the plate just below the belt. Jenkins began walking to the dugout as the umpire called it ball 3. The result of the next pitch was Jenkins hiting a double. I believe that umpires are so indoctrinated with him throwing sinkers that they are caught completely off-guard by anything else. In essence, Day is possibly throwing his sinker so much his secondary pitches are negatively affected by the umpire.

Conclusion
Day has stuff, I think he could be about as effective as a Miguel Batista or a Giovanni Carrara. As it is, if Day doesn’t stop throwing so many sinkers, he’ll probably never be more than what his career averages say. Given that Dan O’Dowd isn’t the best evaluator of talent, it probably wouldn’t be hard to pluck Day for more than a middling. The only hitch could be that O’Dowd might be in love with Day’s GB/FB rate. I think Day would be a good pickup in any package deal to Colorado. Though honestly, I think Day will be a Brewer in 07, replacing Ohka in the 5th starter role.
Interestingly enough, none of Zach Day’s recent injuries have come on the mound. They’ve all been due to getting hit with the ball (on the mound or trying to bunt) or in the case of his back, falling out of bed in the spring (which I find hard to believe).
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Spitball
04-23-2006, 07:38 PM
Though honestly, I think Day will be a Brewer in 07, replacing Ohka in the 5th starter role.

You do? Why?

ghettochild
04-24-2006, 12:48 AM
Who is his WIFE?

she is a major contributor in the red cross, and so is my grandma. about 2 years ago when the expos game to town in june, we sat on the first base side and my grandma ran into her (my grandma is very big in the red cross and around cincy, go figure lol) i started looking around for my grandma cause its been about 2 innings since i last saw her, and thats not normal for my grandma esp at a reds game. she finally comes back, tells me to look over yonder at his wife and i was like BLAM WOWZA.

IIRC thats the game that dunn hit a towering walk-off hr in the 11th that barley cleared the fence.

Jr's Boy
04-24-2006, 12:52 AM
Sheesh why not take a flyer on the guy?

With what we've got, you need to be taking guys like Zack Day (guys with potential to be better than what we have), throwing them against the wall, and seeing if they stick.


Great analogy.

Ravenlord
04-24-2006, 11:22 AM
You do? Why?
because i think a Mike Maddux shined up Ohka will be traded to fill an offensive hole that'll emerge when one of Lee, Clark, and Jenkins departs or declines.

BEETTLEBUG
04-24-2006, 11:34 AM
I read in the Denver Post that Zach Day is coming to Cincinnati on Tuesday to have his shoulder looked at so he must be hurt. Rockies may have to unDFA him and DL him or he will have a Law Suit.

redsmetz
04-24-2006, 11:37 AM
I read in the Denver Post that Zach Day is coming to Cincinnati on Tuesday to have his shoulder looked at so he must be hurt. Rockies may have to unDFA him and DL him or he will have a Law Suit.

I think before a "law suit" would occur, there would be a grievance filed. But if's he injured, he'll be DL'ed and try to work it out. The same thing happened with Scott Klingenbeck a few years ago when he moved on to the Pirates system. After being released, as I understood it, it was found he was injured and the Pirtes were on the hook for his contract because of the injury (as well as for his medical and rehab costs). In the great majority of instances, it all works out without resorting to legal action.

Chip R
04-24-2006, 11:44 AM
Now didn't he have the problem where he had some sort of blood clot thing that put him on the DL? Or was that some other local product I was thinking about?

Javy Pornstache
04-24-2006, 02:54 PM
Now didn't he have the problem where he had some sort of blood clot thing that put him on the DL? Or was that some other local product I was thinking about?

Aaron Cook, also of the Rockies, also from the Cincinnati region.

Heath
04-24-2006, 02:56 PM
The Rockies have a fetish with Cincinnati kids that can pitch.

Who's next? Kent Tekulve?

Gallen5862
04-24-2006, 02:58 PM
Trade Rockies Womack for Day and put Day on the 60 day dl if needed based on what a physical might show.

Spitball
04-24-2006, 05:07 PM
because i think a Mike Maddux shined up Ohka will be traded to fill an offensive hole that'll emerge when one of Lee, Clark, and Jenkins departs or declines.

Yeah, but with all the number five (or six) starters out there, why do you assume it will be Day replacing Ohka in '07? Its seems there are a bunch of variables out there that make this a bit unlikely unless there is a certain component already in place.