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New Fever
04-21-2006, 10:28 PM
The host just said the Reds are trying to go 5 games above .500 for the first time in five years. That definitely is not true. Tino Martinez is very bad also, he sounds like he is on an infomercial.

howyoufreelin
04-21-2006, 10:35 PM
Sounds like he was mocking how bad we are, kind of like the Sportscenter anchor said Milton gave up '900' homeruns last year.

flyer85
04-21-2006, 10:38 PM
Just said Burnett has a date with James Andrews. Thats $55M investment isn't looking so good at the moment.

George Foster
04-21-2006, 10:46 PM
Watching Oral and Tino is like watching CSPAN-2 at 2am....it's horrible. Are the "regulars" on vacation?

kxblue
04-21-2006, 10:48 PM
I kind of like Orel, but Tino is just awful. He's like a monotone car-salesman

MWM
04-21-2006, 10:50 PM
Just said Burnett has a date with James Andrews. Thats $55M investment isn't looking so good at the moment.

Realy, if he has to go under the knife again, I'd say he's finished. But the Jays will likely be off the hook for mostof it with insurance.

MWM
04-21-2006, 10:50 PM
I normally don't care about spelling, but guys it's Orel, not Oral. I feel funny reading the word "oral"as a name.

kxblue
04-21-2006, 10:57 PM
I wasn't sure

Ill have to place the blame on George unless he was using Oral as sarcasm, and then that should earn some rep points.

Yachtzee
04-21-2006, 11:26 PM
It's Oral Roberts...Orel Hershiser

jhiller21
04-21-2006, 11:43 PM
SportsCenter guy thinks Arroyo has a mullet, no mention of the pitching performance.

TeamBoone
04-22-2006, 12:06 AM
Figures.

And they obviously don't know anything about mullets either. Bronson's hair is all one length; he just tucks it behind his ears.

Wouldn't it be nice to get some serious reporting out of ESPN, instead of all the cutesy crap? Something they've apparently forgotten how to do.

TOBTTReds
04-22-2006, 12:20 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to get some serious reporting out of ESPN, instead of all the cutesy crap? Something they've apparently forgotten how to do.


Yeah, like when George Grande was on sportscenter

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-22-2006, 12:40 AM
I actually work at the Worldwide leader, and the reason the other analysts are on tonight is because it's a semi-weekend show. Almost every Saturday night BBTN is the same way, with Tim Kirkjian and Jeff Brantley or Orestes Destrade. You rarely see HR or Krukker on these shows; they come back for the Sunday afternoon and evening BBTN, hosted sometimes by the frighteningly sweaty Chris Berman but usually with Karl Ravech.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 01:38 AM
Lovely... we had george grande's grandson stop by today, and now we have a ESPN Worker.

What a day... And the Reds won! :beerme:

harangatang
04-22-2006, 02:04 AM
Figures.

And they obviously don't know anything about mullets either. Bronson's hair is all one length; he just tucks it behind his ears.

Wouldn't it be nice to get some serious reporting out of ESPN, instead of all the cutesy crap? Something they've apparently forgotten how to do.
It's all about the ratings...that's it.

Hap
04-22-2006, 10:14 AM
I normally don't care about spelling, but guys it's Orel, not Oral. I feel funny reading the word "oral"as a name.

Has anyone here ever heard the funny story about what Tomy Lasorda said when he heard his team was getting an oral hershiser? I have heard Marty and Joe allude to it several times, but they can't say it on the radio, and I have never heard the complete story.

MartyFan
04-22-2006, 10:19 AM
I refuse to watch ESPN...While FoxSports is bad at least they talk about all the teams on the field.

Hap
04-22-2006, 10:29 AM
The host just said the Reds are trying to go 5 games above .500 for the first time in five years. That definitely is not true. Tino Martinez is very bad also, he sounds like he is on an infomercial.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/VCIN02004.htm

6/2/2004

The Reds were 11 over .500 at 32-21 after relief victories in back-to-back games by Brian Reith and saves by Danny Graves.

I did this rudimentary reasearch in less than two minutes. The people at ESPiN should have been able to do the same.

DannyB
04-23-2006, 11:28 AM
Well,TPID welcome to Redszone

Highlifeman21
04-23-2006, 12:06 PM
I actually work at the Worldwide leader, and the reason the other analysts are on tonight is because it's a semi-weekend show. Almost every Saturday night BBTN is the same way, with Tim Kirkjian and Jeff Brantley or Orestes Destrade. You rarely see HR or Krukker on these shows; they come back for the Sunday afternoon and evening BBTN, hosted sometimes by the frighteningly sweaty Chris Berman but usually with Karl Ravech.

Where the hell did they dig up Orestes Destrade, and why for the earth of him can't he sit up straight and not lean on the damn desk?

I miss Dibble on BBTN. Good to see that they replaced him with another former Reds closer. With the route he's going, does this mean Danny Graves will soon be out of the league and joining you in Bristol?

Yachtzee
04-23-2006, 12:13 PM
I haven't seen him on TV, but I like Orestes Destrade on XM radio, with Mark Patrick and Buck Martinez in the morning.

RFS62
04-23-2006, 12:13 PM
Where the hell did they dig up Orestes Destrade, and why for the earth of him can't he sit up straight and not lean on the damn desk?

I miss Dibble on BBTN. Good to see that they replaced him with another former Reds closer. With the route he's going, does this mean Danny Graves will soon be out of the league and joining you in Bristol?



I love Orestes Destrade. He's got a wealth of baseball knowledge, including Japaneese baseball, where he played a few years. If you listen to him on XM, you'll see how smart and funny he can be.

Dibble... bleech.

westofyou
04-23-2006, 12:15 PM
Rob Dibble is the pits, a loud mouth know nothing in my book.... he and Kennedy togather is enough to make one sick.

wheels
04-23-2006, 12:17 PM
Rob Dibble is the pits, a loud mouth know nothing in my book.... he and Kennedy togather is enough to make one sick.

Yeah.

"The Show" needs new hosts.

"You know Skip, back when I PLAYED....."

Yarf.

Highlifeman21
04-23-2006, 12:21 PM
I love Orestes Destrade. He's got a wealth of baseball knowledge, including Japaneese baseball, where he played a few years. If you listen to him on XM, you'll see how smart and funny he can be.

Dibble... bleech.


Lemme clarify, I'm an OD fan, I just think he has poor posture! Although after having seen exactly how small those desks really are, I don't blame him for leaning.

Dibble is more of a sentimental pick for me, it was good to see him still connected with the game in some avenue, but once he left ESPN, I stopped watching him, and I felt him leaving ESPN voided most of his credibility.

I would actually like to see more of Buster Olney. I like him and the Cowboy together, with Timmy K kinda throwing in his two cents more and more.

westofyou
04-23-2006, 12:22 PM
I would actually like to see more of Buster Olney.
The Minister of Misinformation.

Jpup
04-23-2006, 12:31 PM
Ravech and Phillips are on now. :(

blumj
04-23-2006, 01:14 PM
I gave up on them when they auditioned Kruk and Eck at the same time, and Kruk got the job.

Highlifeman21
04-23-2006, 01:19 PM
Ravech and Phillips are on now. :(


Phillips = best hair ever

SteelSD
04-23-2006, 01:28 PM
The Minister of Misinformation.

Five Seconds in the Brain of Buster Olney:

Second 1: "Baseball...what was that thing...??"
Second 2: "Hey! Half eaten candy bar in the garbage!"
Second 3: "Now, what was I going to type...hmn...I wonder if anyone's looking..."
Second 4: "Betcha it's still crispy..."
Second 5: <munch> "Oh yeah...soft Walks and Home Runs...that's what it was..."

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 01:34 PM
I wish they would put Gammons on more often. Gammons, Ravech, and Orestes Destrade would be fine with me.

Highlifeman21
04-23-2006, 01:40 PM
The Minister of Misinformation.

My sarcasm didn't work too well. Olney is overused by ESPN as a whole, and 1/2 the time I can't follow what The Cowboy, Jeff Brantley is going on about...

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 01:42 PM
My sarcasm didn't work too well. Olney is overused by ESPN as a whole, and 1/2 the time I can't follow what The Cowboy, Jeff Brantley is going on about...

Brantley is horrible. I remember last year when he said the Reds offense sucked, despite them leading the NL in runs scored. His reason? Because they struckout too much and didn't play enough smallball.

MWM
04-23-2006, 01:52 PM
Jeff Brantley is the worst TV sports pesonality I've ever seen in my life. He's that bad! When he starts talking I start looking forward to when it's Kruk's turn.

membengal
04-23-2006, 01:55 PM
Jeff Brantley is the worst TV sports pesonality I've ever seen in my life. He's that bad! When he starts talking I start looking forward to when it's Kruk's turn.

Ouch. Because when Kruk is droning on, I find myself wondering if Van Gogh's cutting off his own ear resulted in deafness, because that seems like a decent option as opposed to hearing Kruk talk further...

Kruk. Brantley. Where analysis goes to die...

westofyou
04-23-2006, 01:55 PM
Jeff Brantley is the worst TV sports pesonality I've ever seen in my life. He's that bad! When he starts talking I start looking forward to when it's Kruk's turn.
Yeah he has all the charm of a Box of Grapenuts and no milk.

TeamBoone
04-23-2006, 01:59 PM
I miss Dibble on BBTN. Good to see that they replaced him with another former Reds closer. With the route he's going, does this mean Danny Graves will soon be out of the league and joining you in Bristol?

Did Brantley replace Dibble? Dibble's only been gone a couple years and hasn't Brantley been there longer than that?

I thought they were both on it at one time.

MartyFan
04-23-2006, 02:09 PM
I haven't seen him on TV, but I like Orestes Destrade on XM radio, with Mark Patrick and Buck Martinez in the morning.

YUCK!

O is too in love with his voice...he has some decent pipes but he digs hearing himself say things so he tries to make it lower than it actually is...Patrick is okay...Martinez? OYe!

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-23-2006, 05:48 PM
Did Brantley replace Dibble? Dibble's only been gone a couple years and hasn't Brantley been there longer than that?

I thought they were both on it at one time.


Basically Dibble used to be the weekend guy on BBTN, often with Brantley. (You want to see guys fired up, tell those two Jeff Shaw and Dave Burba were the best Reds relievers ever, hehe.) I think Dibs' contract ran out a few years back, and he chose not to renegotiate with ESPN and went to Fox Sports. I had heard rumblings that people up high didn't like some of Dibs' comments while he was on with DP on his radio show. I will say this though, of all the famous athletes I've seen come through ESPN, being a 10 year old in 1990, the first time I met Rob at work was the most starstruck I've been in my years in Bristol.

All the baseball analysts are great guys, so it's a little more difficult to be objective in who trumps who, but I've always thought HR and Steve Phillips handle it the best on the analyst side. Of course everyone's favorite around here was probably Bobby V, but I guess when the Japanese leagues come callin, you say sayonara to BBTN.

TeamBoone
04-23-2006, 06:14 PM
My favorite is Harold. Is he still on it? (I haven't watched this year)

Highlifeman21
04-23-2006, 06:18 PM
Basically Dibble used to be the weekend guy on BBTN, often with Brantley. (You want to see guys fired up, tell those two Jeff Shaw and Dave Burba were the best Reds relievers ever, hehe.) I think Dibs' contract ran out a few years back, and he chose not to renegotiate with ESPN and went to Fox Sports. I had heard rumblings that people up high didn't like some of Dibs' comments while he was on with DP on his radio show. I will say this though, of all the famous athletes I've seen come through ESPN, being a 10 year old in 1990, the first time I met Rob at work was the most starstruck I've been in my years in Bristol.

All the baseball analysts are great guys, so it's a little more difficult to be objective in who trumps who, but I've always thought HR and Steve Phillips handle it the best on the analyst side. Of course everyone's favorite around here was probably Bobby V, but I guess when the Japanese leagues come callin, you say sayonara to BBTN.

Don't you have work to do?

In your opinion, who's the best BBTN has to offer, and who's the worst they trot out there on a regular basis (If Tino Martinez doesn't win this by a landslide, then I dunno..)?

I honestly think the best are HR and Phillips (although clearly he's up there in terms of DanO as worst GMs ever), and if I had to pick a 3rd, I'd go with Gammons, although in that trio there's no clear cut host, and I know your employer loves to have hosts.

WMR
04-23-2006, 06:36 PM
Gammons is good.

Honestly, the rest of that crowd gives me a headache more often than not.

Especially Karl Ravech... when did that guy get all opinionated? You're a talking head, stay that way.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-23-2006, 07:27 PM
Don't you have work to do?

In your opinion, who's the best BBTN has to offer, and who's the worst they trot out there on a regular basis (If Tino Martinez doesn't win this by a landslide, then I dunno..)?

I honestly think the best are HR and Phillips (although clearly he's up there in terms of DanO as worst GMs ever), and if I had to pick a 3rd, I'd go with Gammons, although in that trio there's no clear cut host, and I know your employer loves to have hosts.

Yeah yeah yeah, Sunday Night Baseball doesn't hit first pitch till 8; I've got time to kill.

Best: HR, who's been doing it a while, so he just can roll with just about anything that's thrown at him TV-wise. Phillips is really well spoken and knows his stuff, although his evaluation of talent may be suspect (Mo Vaughn anyone?) Kirkjian's voice may crack like he's a Brady kid, but he also is remarkably knowledgeable. Gammons is good, no doubt, but if he could find a way to not tie EVERYTHING to the Red Sox, he'd be far and away the best of the former writers.

Worst: Tino is pretty stiff, it's true, but this is his first season doing it, so I'll give him a pass until the ASB. Olney is difficult to watch; he always seems like he has too much in his mind and he can't get it all out fast enough. So he stumbles like crazy.

As to some other people's posts, maybe I'm Kruk-biased, but I've thought he has pretty good analysis. It's more of a straight-shooter type approach, but I think it works with the sarcasm of Ravvy and the childlike enthusiasm of HR. I've yet to work with Hershiser, so the jury's still out there.

Highlifeman21
04-23-2006, 07:50 PM
Yeah yeah yeah, Sunday Night Baseball doesn't hit first pitch till 8; I've got time to kill.

Best: HR, who's been doing it a while, so he just can roll with just about anything that's thrown at him TV-wise. Phillips is really well spoken and knows his stuff, although his evaluation of talent may be suspect (Mo Vaughn anyone?) Kirkjian's voice may crack like he's a Brady kid, but he also is remarkably knowledgeable. Gammons is good, no doubt, but if he could find a way to not tie EVERYTHING to the Red Sox, he'd be far and away the best of the former writers.

Worst: Tino is pretty stiff, it's true, but this is his first season doing it, so I'll give him a pass until the ASB. Olney is difficult to watch; he always seems like he has too much in his mind and he can't get it all out fast enough. So he stumbles like crazy.

As to some other people's posts, maybe I'm Kruk-biased, but I've thought he has pretty good analysis. It's more of a straight-shooter type approach, but I think it works with the sarcasm of Ravvy and the childlike enthusiasm of HR. I've yet to work with Hershiser, so the jury's still out there.

Analysts aside, who's the best host? Ravvy? He seems to have the best chemistry with HR and then whoever you can put with those 2. I thought Brian Kenny did a hell of a job when I saw him on BBTN.

WMR
04-23-2006, 07:52 PM
Brian Kenny is better than 99% of anything else in the entire ESPN network.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-23-2006, 07:58 PM
Brian Kenny is better than 99% of anything else in the entire ESPN network.

BK is the man! His "onerunllscore....TWOrunllscore!" call on bases clearing hits is easily one of my favorite calls. (If you've never heard it, the way I spelled it doesn't really do it justice.) Ravvy may not be everyone's favorite, but you really have to see it from the control room side to understand how good he is at his job. He handles any changes throughout the show seamlessly. Rece Davis is equally as good, but he's basically great at any sport he does, so that one's not so surprising.

I'd probably put it BK, Rece, Ravvy in that order, but it'd be too close to call.

Scott Reiss and Bill Pidto on the other hand....well...

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 08:31 PM
Brian Kenny is better than 99% of anything else in the entire ESPN network.

Copycat. ;)

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43530&highlight=Brian+Kenny

GAC
04-23-2006, 08:38 PM
If and when I do watch Baseball Tonight.... I mute it.

And I never watch Berman after just eating. ;)

WMR
04-23-2006, 08:39 PM
Copycat. ;)

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43530&highlight=Brian+Kenny

Great minds, great minds. ;)


(with the 1% being Barry Melrose on "turn-back-the-clock-suit-night")

http://www.divealanche.com/imagefiles/1d_melrose.jpg

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 08:42 PM
And I never watch Berman after just eating. ;)

I swear to kriminy I think that man was foaled, not born.

Yachtzee
04-23-2006, 08:46 PM
I must say I did enjoy the days when the regular analysts were Harold Reynolds, Dave "Soup" Campbell, and Peter Gammons. I really like Orestes Destrade though, mainly for the color commentary job he did for XM during the WBC. He covered the Asian bracket games really well.

ThatPitchIsDunn
04-23-2006, 09:15 PM
Copycat. ;)

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43530&highlight=Brian+Kenny


Haha, hey cut me some slack; you posted that in March of '06. I wasn't even a member yet!

His good work notwithstanding, BK is another one of those guys you just love to work with. He'll take the time to talk to you for a minute or two, learn your name and things about you, and so on. I'm sure he thinks nothing of doing it, but it's refreshing to see people not caught up in their own celebrity.

Chip R
04-23-2006, 11:55 PM
TPID, won't they fire you if they found out you were posting on a Reds board instead of a Red Sox or Yankees board? ;)

Cedric
04-24-2006, 12:02 AM
I don't like many people on ESPN. I love Joe Morgan though. He's clearly bull headed and wrong about many things, but he does at times provide a unique viewpoint on the game. I also love that he is one of the best Reds of all time lol. Gotta support.