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RedFanAlways1966
04-22-2006, 03:28 PM
Hatteberg with a leadoff double in the 5th. Lookout...

CTA513
04-22-2006, 03:28 PM
Atleast Bush doesnt have a no hitter going anymore.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 03:28 PM
The Reds just tied a club record for most HR's allowed in an inning. Last accomplished on8/23/61 vs. San Francisco.

They are two shy of the club record for most HR's in a game.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 03:29 PM
The Reds just tied a club record for most HR's allowed in an inning. Last accomplished on8/23/61 vs. San Francisco.

They are two shy of the club record for most HR's in a game.
Allright! lets go team :D

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:30 PM
Edwin grounds out to the SS. Hatteberg stays at 2nd.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 03:30 PM
I don't mind so much. But I am curious why it would be different.

Remember the phrase "everybody hits"? How about "everyone hits a home run"?

It's an unique promo though. Usually they just hand the balls out to everyone when they come through the gates.

THNDRacket
04-22-2006, 03:31 PM
Two straight batters where contact was made.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:32 PM
Phillips is up, and he grounds out to 3rd. Hatteberg stays at 2nd.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:33 PM
LaRue grounds out to 1st.

Inning over.

Brews 10 Reds ()

westofyou
04-22-2006, 03:34 PM
The Reds just tied a club record for most HR's allowed in an inning. Last accomplished on8/23/61 vs. San FranciscoHey was Frank Robinson in that game?

Because Chris just said that would NEVER happen back then.

Falls City Beer
04-22-2006, 03:36 PM
I don't think I can recall a team's pitching performances being so utterly schizophrenic. What is going on with our top three starters; I honestly have never seen anything like it.

THNDRacket
04-22-2006, 03:36 PM
How embarassing.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:36 PM
Weeks K's.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 03:36 PM
Allright! lets go team :D

Their still 15 runs away from the most runs allowed in a game.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 03:37 PM
Their still 15 runs away from the most runs allowed in a game.
One record of futility at a time.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:37 PM
Miller doubles down the right field line.

westofyou
04-22-2006, 03:39 PM
GIANTS 9TH: ZIMMERMAN REPLACED BELL (PLAYING C );
McCovey doubled;
Mays popped to second
[McCovey scored (error by Blasingame)];
Cepeda homered;
F. Alou homered;
BROSNAN REPLACED JAY (PITCHING);
Orsino made an out to center; Pagan singled to center;

Marichal singled to center [Pagan to second];

Amalfitano reached on an error by Freese [Pagan scored (unearned),

Marichal to third];
Davenport hit an inside the park homer to center (unearned)
[Marichal scored (unearned),

Amalfitano scored(unearned)];

McCovey singled to center;

HENRY REPLACED BROSNAN(PITCHING);
Mays homered (unearned) [McCovey scored (unearned)];

Cepeda singled to center;

F. Alou reached on an error by Freese [Cepeda to second];

Orsino homered (unearned)
[Cepeda scored (unearned), F. Alou scored (unearned)];

Pagan struck out;

12 R, 10 H, 3 E, 0 LOB. Giants 14 Reds 0.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:39 PM
Hammond K's Bush.

4k's for Hammond.

redsmetz
04-22-2006, 03:39 PM
Back from the grocery store and other errands _ 10-0? We've got them right where we want them! :bowrofl:

Handofdeath
04-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Has anyone noticed that the pitching staff is 4th in the majors in k's?

Gallen5862
04-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Whats the Hammonds Era Meter at now?

redsmetz
04-22-2006, 03:41 PM
Brosnan, Jay and Henry - those are three fairly decent pitchers in their day.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 03:41 PM
Whats the Hammonds Era Meter at now?
After going past pluto it's on it's way back past the moon now.

CTA513
04-22-2006, 03:41 PM
Whats the Hammonds Era Meter at now?

17.36

traderumor
04-22-2006, 03:42 PM
The ongoing thing for me when I see teams just digging in and teeing off against our guys is their continued unwillingness to make guys uncomfortable in the box. You do not have to throw hard to keep guys from digging in like its batting practice. Bill Hall, he needs to be put down, not to be nasty, but to make his butt uncomfortable in there. I actually think Welsh had a good point about letting oneself get teed off on.

Have some guts out there Claussen and put a guy on his back. Back the hitters off the plate. Of course, quit grooving high 80s fastballs on the inner half of the plate would certainly help.

Gallen5862
04-22-2006, 03:44 PM
Well at least Hammonds Era is Going down. Small improvements. :)

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:44 PM
Clark pops out to 2nd.

Inning over.

THNDRacket
04-22-2006, 03:45 PM
The ongoing thing for me when I see teams just digging in and teeing off against our guys is their continued unwillingness to make guys uncomfortable in the box. You do not have to throw hard to keep guys from digging in like its batting practice. Bill Hall, he needs to be put down, not to be nasty, but to make his butt uncomfortable in there. I actually think Welsh had a good point about letting oneself get teed off on.

Have some guts out there Claussen and put a guy on his back. Back the hitters off the plate. Of course, quit grooving high 80s fastballs on the inner half of the plate would certainly help.


I'll certainly second that.

RedRage
04-22-2006, 03:46 PM
Has anyone noticed that the pitching staff is 4th in the majors in k's?

Obviously we should "pitch to contact" MORE.
:obrien: :bash:

Caveat Emperor
04-22-2006, 03:46 PM
After going past pluto it's on it's way back past the moon now.

The baseball equivalent of "Free Return Trajectory" for ERAs.

Cyclone792
04-22-2006, 03:47 PM
Reds team DIPS ERA is now 5.10, and the team HR/9 is 1.99.
Reds starters' DIPS ERA is now 5.41, and the starters' HR/9 is 2.17.
Reds bullpen DIPS ERA is now 4.61, and the bullpen HR/9 is 1.59.

That's right, you're not seeing things. The Reds starting staff has a HR/9 ratio of 2.17. They've given up 24 home runs in 99.1 innings this season.

:help:

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:47 PM
Woemack to PH for Hammond - and he grounds out to 2nd base.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:49 PM
Freel grounds out to 2nd base.

Falls City Beer
04-22-2006, 03:50 PM
Did anyone foresee Claussen and Harang being this bad before the season started?

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 03:50 PM
Hey was Frank Robinson in that game?

Because Chris just said that would NEVER happen back then.

Game Played on Wednesday, August 23, 1961 (N) at Crosley Field



SF N 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 12 - 14 13 2
CIN N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 3 3

Check out the top of the 9th. OUCH!

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:50 PM
Lopez K's.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 03:51 PM
Did anyone foresee Claussen and Harang being this bad before the season started?
Not both of them.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 03:51 PM
Game Played on Wednesday, August 23, 1961 (N) at Crosley Field



SF N 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 12 - 14 13 2
CIN N 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 3 3

Check out the top of the 9th. OUCH!
And we thought our pen was bad :devil:

westofyou
04-22-2006, 03:53 PM
[list]
They've given up 24 home runs in 99.1 innings this season.

:help:
Reds 1920 26/1392

Caveat Emperor
04-22-2006, 03:54 PM
At this point, I wouldn't be too broken up to see Rick White finish the game. If his arm explodes in the process, I can't help but see that as a fringe benefit.

RedsMan3203
04-22-2006, 03:55 PM
Jenkins grounds out to 1st.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 03:55 PM
[B]
Check out the top of the 9th. OUCH!
GIANTS 9TH: ZIMMERMAN REPLACED BELL (PLAYING C ); McCovey
doubled; Mays popped to second [McCovey scored (error by
Blasingame)]; Cepeda homered; F. Alou homered; BROSNAN REPLACED
JAY (PITCHING); Orsino made an out to center; Pagan singled to
center; Marichal singled to center [Pagan to second]; Amalfitano
reached on an error by Freese [Pagan scored (unearned), Marichal
to third]; Davenport hit an inside the park homer to center
(unearned) [Marichal scored (unearned), Amalfitano scored
(unearned)]; McCovey singled to center; HENRY REPLACED BROSNAN
(PITCHING); Mays homered (unearned) [McCovey scored (unearned)];
Cepeda singled to center; F. Alou reached on an error by Freese
[Cepeda to second]; Orsino homered (unearned) [Cepeda scored
(unearned), F. Alou scored (unearned)]; Pagan struck out; 12 R,
10 H, 3 E, 0 LOB. Giants 14, Reds 0.

;)

Matt700wlw
04-22-2006, 03:56 PM
At this point, I wouldn't be too broken up to see Rick White finish the game. If his arm explodes in the process, I can't help but see that as a fringe benefit.

:lol: That's not right. :lol:

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 03:56 PM
And we thought our pen was bad :devil:


San Francisco Giants IP H R ER BB SO HR
Marichal W(13-7) 9 3 0 0 0 1 0



Cincinnati Reds IP H R ER BB SO HR
Jay L(18-8) 8.1 6 5 5 2 5 3
Brosnan 0.1 4 5 0 0 0 1
Henry 0.1 3 4 0 0 1 2
Totals 9 13 14 5 2 6 6

traderumor
04-22-2006, 03:57 PM
Did anyone foresee Claussen and Harang being this bad before the season started?
This is Claussen's first stinker. He was coming off a 7 IP shutout effort, against the same Marlins team that cranked on his mates.

Harang outdueled Cris Carpenter and has really only been awful in his last start.

So, I think you're blowing things out of proportion with those two.

edabbs44
04-22-2006, 03:58 PM
Just got back from house hunting...I guess I picked the right day to miss some of the game. That must have been some inning. Double damage too, since I have him on both of my rotisserie teams.

Caveat Emperor
04-22-2006, 04:00 PM
Harang outdueled Cris Carpenter and has really only been awful in his last start.


I guess opening day was a Diet Pepsi overconsumption-induced hallucination, then. :evil:

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:05 PM
I guess opening day was a Diet Pepsi overconsumption-induced hallucination, then. :evil:

Possibly. But I was at that game, and the weather was a factor (for both teams). I thought we were playing in the Artic league.

I'm certainly not gonna hold that start (Opening Day) against Harang. Not a good barometer to use IMO, to gauge how his season is gonna go.

edabbs44
04-22-2006, 04:06 PM
The one thing I cannot believe, more than Claussen getting bombed more than Tara Reid on Cinco de Mayo, is that Dave Bush is throwing a ONE-HITTER!

westofyou
04-22-2006, 04:06 PM
GIANTS 9TH: ZIMMERMAN REPLACED BELL (PLAYING C ); McCovey
doubled; Mays popped to second [McCovey scored (error by
Blasingame)]; Cepeda homered; F. Alou homered; BROSNAN REPLACED
JAY (PITCHING); Orsino made an out to center; Pagan singled to
center; Marichal singled to center [Pagan to second]; Amalfitano
reached on an error by Freese [Pagan scored (unearned), Marichal
to third]; Davenport hit an inside the park homer to center
(unearned) [Marichal scored (unearned), Amalfitano scored
(unearned)]; McCovey singled to center; HENRY REPLACED BROSNAN
(PITCHING); Mays homered (unearned) [McCovey scored (unearned)];
Cepeda singled to center; F. Alou reached on an error by Freese
[Cepeda to second]; Orsino homered (unearned) [Cepeda scored
(unearned), F. Alou scored (unearned)]; Pagan struck out; 12 R,
10 H, 3 E, 0 LOB. Giants 14, Reds 0.

;)

The Reds won the Pennant that year, the only time it had happened before was against the Giants in 1939.. a year the Reds won the pennant as well.

6-6-39

CIN N 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 - 3 11
NY N 3 1 2 8 3 0 0 0 x - 17 20

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:07 PM
The one thing I cannot believe, more than Claussen getting bombed more than Tara Reid on Cinco de Mayo, is that Dave Bush is throwing a ONE-HITTER!

They should have started Aurilia! :evil:

redsmetz
04-22-2006, 04:08 PM
The Reds won the Pennant that year, the only time it had happened before was against the Giants in 1939.. a year the Reds won the pennant as well.

6-6-39

CIN N 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 - 3 11
NY N 3 1 2 8 3 0 0 0 x - 17 20


Hmmm.... I detect a pattern here.... :)

Caveat Emperor
04-22-2006, 04:08 PM
The one thing I cannot believe, more than Claussen getting bombed more than Tara Reid on Cinco de Mayo, is that Dave Bush is throwing a ONE-HITTER!

The Reds look like a team that haven't had an off day in a while. Plus, Dave Bush isn't a bad pitcher at all. I thought it was a fantastic acquisition when the Brewers picked him off Toronto.

traderumor
04-22-2006, 04:09 PM
I guess opening day was a Diet Pepsi overconsumption-induced hallucination, then. :evil:You can give Dunn as much credit for the crappy numbers coming out of that game as Harang. I simply think FCB is overreacting on those 2.

M2
04-22-2006, 04:09 PM
Reds team DIPS ERA is now 5.10, and the team HR/9 is 1.99.
Reds starters' DIPS ERA is now 5.41, and the starters' HR/9 is 2.17.
Reds bullpen DIPS ERA is now 4.61, and the bullpen HR/9 is 1.59.

That's right, you're not seeing things. The Reds starting staff has a HR/9 ratio of 2.17. They've given up 24 home runs in 99.1 innings this season.

:help:

And that's why Wayne Krivsky can't afford to burn off what trade value the franchise has in the pursuance of bullpen. Starting pitching continues to be the most glaring area of weakness with the Cincinnati Reds.

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:10 PM
Hmmm.... I detect a pattern here.... :)

Speaking of patterns.... I was just teaching my 10 yr old son how to mow the yard with the John Deere. He couldn't follow the pattern either.

The yard looked like a bad Andy warhol haircut. :lol:

But it was his first time. He's learning.

traderumor
04-22-2006, 04:11 PM
The Reds look like a team that haven't had an off day in a while. Plus, Dave Bush isn't a bad pitcher at all. I thought it was a fantastic acquisition when the Brewers picked him off Toronto.
With a 5+ ERA coming into today's game. You know, over the course of 162 games, and 30+ starts for starters, you'll have games like these.

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:11 PM
And that's why Wayne Krivsky can't afford to burn off what trade value the franchise has in the pursuance of bullpen. Starting pitching continues to be the most glaring area of weakness with the Cincinnati Reds.

Yep. Thats why anyone not named Dan O'Brien can usually find middle relief/bullpen help. But starting pitching is a rare commodity.

redsmetz
04-22-2006, 04:12 PM
Speaking of patterns.... I was just teaching my 10 yr old son how to mow the yard with the John Deere. He couldn't follow the pattern either.

The yard looked like a bad Andy warhol haircut. :lol:

But it was his first time. He's learning.

Hold a can of Campbell's Tomatoe Soup up, take a picture and sell it for a million bucks!

smith288
04-22-2006, 04:12 PM
At least the Buckeyes won...

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:13 PM
Damian Miller, the Reds killer just hits his 3rd dbl today.

Anyone notice how we have shut down the middle part of this order? The bottom tier has killed us today.

Strikes Out Looking
04-22-2006, 04:15 PM
Even with some of the bad performances of the past week, I still think the pitching this year is better than last year. This year the problem is consistency--they have four starters with potential every time they go out, sometimes you get Cy Young, sometimes you get Eric Milton version2005, last year I don't recall having such wide fluctuations. Additionally, if they get to the 7th inning, the bullpen has been ok (as long as they don't have to face that awful fellow from that overrated beer magnate named stadium's team--and I don't wish to hear from him today, by the way.)

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:16 PM
Yeah, but the fluctuation is gonna kill us! :lol:

Strikes Out Looking
04-22-2006, 04:17 PM
I believe the Reds pitching staff may be diagnosed as bipolar.

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:22 PM
This just isn't LaRue's day! :lol:

Nice sliding catch by Brady Clark!

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 04:23 PM
Mercy rule?

RedRage
04-22-2006, 04:25 PM
Yeah, but the fluctuation is gonna kill us! :lol:

This is it! This is the answer. It says here... that a bolt of lightning is going to strike the clock tower at precisely 10:04pm, next Saturday night! If we can somehow... *harness* this lightning... *channel* it... into the FLUX CAPACITOR... it just might work. Next Saturday night, we're sending you back to the future!

traderumor
04-22-2006, 04:26 PM
Some days, you come out to the ballpark, and one team can seemingly do nothing wrong, while the other simply can't do anything right.

The pitchers and starting rotation stink. No one would represent otherwise. But I wouldn't use this one game as evidence for that, just like I would not get all ga-ga over David Bush for his performance today.

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:27 PM
This is it! This is the answer. It says here... that a bolt of lightning is going to strike the clock tower at precisely 10:04pm, next Saturday night! If we can somehow... *harness* this lightning... *channel* it... into the FLUX CAPACITOR... it just might work. Next Saturday night, we're sending you back to the future!

Well... while you're back there... bring us back Christy Matheson, Lefty Groves, and Walter Johnson.

And on the way back, pick up the Nasty Boys. ;)

GAC
04-22-2006, 04:28 PM
Some days, you come out to the ballpark, and one team can seemingly do nothing wrong, while the other simply can't do anything right.

The pitchers and starting rotation stink. No one would represent otherwise. But I wouldn't use this one game as evidence for that, just like I would not get all ga-ga over David Bush for his performance today.

I'll take him over Dave Williams though. Bush holds promise. We know what Williams holds. ;)

Falls City Beer
04-22-2006, 04:28 PM
What frustrates me to no end is that Reds pitchers, since the beginning of time I guess, can't enter the season in mid-season form, like say, in the way the Astros and Cardinals pitchers always seem to; even in 1999, a lot of guys started out slow (or were injured).

traderumor
04-22-2006, 04:34 PM
I'll take him over Dave Williams though. Bush holds promise. We know what Williams holds. ;)There's about 100 other guys I'd take over Williams...

oneupper
04-22-2006, 04:37 PM
Losing is bad enough. Losing by a lot is terrible. But getting shut out is something I absolutely loathe.

Matt700wlw
04-22-2006, 04:40 PM
Now they're getting hits :lol:

What's the point? Just get the third out and look to tomorrow

smith288
04-22-2006, 04:41 PM
The Reds must have some pretty important plans for tonight...cant waste your energy playing baseball...

redsmetz
04-22-2006, 04:41 PM
Okay, 11-0, 2 down in the 9th - now we really have them where we want them!

griffeyfreak4
04-22-2006, 04:41 PM
Awwww cmon boys!

Rally Caps!

oneupper
04-22-2006, 04:43 PM
Shut OUT. Dang. 11-1 would have done it for me.

RedRage
04-22-2006, 04:46 PM
What's really funny (in that sad, sad way) is that this is the first line-up JN has put out and everyone somewhat liked. Then look what happens.... 4 hit shutout.
:explode:

Raisor
04-22-2006, 04:47 PM
What's really funny (in that sad, sad way) is that this is the first line-up JN has put out and everyone somewhat liked. Then look what happens.... 4 hit shutout.
:explode:


When the pitching gives up 11 runs, I just can't get that annoyed that the offense didn't do well.

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 04:47 PM
What's really funny (in that sad, sad way) is that this is the first line-up JN has put out and everyone somewhat liked. Then look what happens.... 4 hit shutout.
:explode:
I didn't like it

:D

Big Klu
04-22-2006, 04:50 PM
Well, it's just one game. Shake it off, and we'll get after 'em tomorrow!

Hammond's ERA: 16.20

flyer85
04-22-2006, 04:50 PM
The Brewers have homered 5 times in the inningIt's GABP. :D

CTA513
04-22-2006, 04:52 PM
Any chance the Reds call up a long reliever/starter to help out the bullpen tomorrow?

RedRage
04-22-2006, 04:55 PM
When the pitching gives up 11 runs, I just can't get that annoyed that the offense didn't do well.

No doubt. I am not saying anything bad about the Offense. Just the Irony of the whole thing.

WVRedsFan
04-22-2006, 04:57 PM
I missed watching most of the game, but I unfortunately listened to it, which brings up the question...

Under what circumstances does a competent manager allow a pitcher to serve up 4 HRs in an inning? Claussen had shown the world that he didn't have it today, and after Miller's HR, I would think a 6-0 deficit would have pesuaded a reasonable manager to pull him. Of course, in the end, it realy didn't make any difference, but I see a pattern. And I'll go back to my comments of yesterday (mostly ignored) about Boone-Miley-Narron being clones.

I know it has a lot to do with the bullpen's seeming incompetence, but I would think that allowing 6 runs in 3-plus innings should send a message very clearly to the manager that we needed to get another pitcher in there. In fact (though a little early), allowing the first three in two innings should have done that. Yet, the blank stare so common to our last three managers was there as Brandon got his brains beaten out.

Drives me nuts.

Matt700wlw
04-22-2006, 04:59 PM
Harang is starting tomorrow for Milton...shocker, Milton has knee discomfort.

Just saw it on FSN

Marc D
04-22-2006, 04:59 PM
What frustrates me to no end is that Reds pitchers, since the beginning of time I guess, can't enter the season in mid-season form, like say, in the way the Astros and Cardinals pitchers always seem to; even in 1999, a lot of guys started out slow (or were injured).

I disagree.

Team ERA scraping 6.00 after today? I'd say that's mid-season form.

The real problem is they're just horrible pitchers.

WVRedsFan
04-22-2006, 05:02 PM
Harang is starting tomorrow for Milton...shocker, Milton has knee discomfort.

Will we ever recover from the reign of Dan O'Brien and Carl Lindner?

We pay all those millions of dollars for a pitcher who not only is the wrong pitcher for the home park, but is injured, too (and you can't tell me he wasn't).

I'll bet WayneK has nightmares about trying to reconstruct this ball club. It surely is a monumental job.

Marc D
04-22-2006, 05:10 PM
Will we ever recover from the reign of Dan O'Brien and Carl Lindner?

We pay all those millions of dollars for a pitcher who not only is the wrong pitcher for the home park, but is injured, too (and you can't tell me he wasn't).

I'll bet WayneK has nightmares about trying to reconstruct this ball club. It surely is a monumental job.

Along those same lines;

Milton
Ortiz
Williams
Nelson
Bong
2 suspects from SD

Was Dan O possibly the single worst evaluator of pitching talent in history? Sorry if I forgot anyone but it just popped to mind. Thats a pretty staggering list.

Heath
04-22-2006, 05:15 PM
Hello all, I had an afternoon away from the radio and TV.

Looks like I didn't miss much.

Oh well, .611 baseball the rest of the way is fine with me. We could get beat once a week like this, that's fine with me. Unless it becomes a habit.

WVRedsFan
04-22-2006, 05:20 PM
Along those same lines;

Milton
Ortiz
Williams
Nelson
Bong
2 suspects from SD

Was Dan O possibly the single worst evaluator of pitching talent in history? Sorry if I forgot anyone but it just popped to mind. Thats a pretty staggering list.

Yes he was (and probably still is). This may not be true, but he must have been the son his father put with the company because he'd never make it anywhere else. And then he got a job offer from Carl Lindner over a very good candidate because he "had a nice handshake," or something like that. In the process, we lost Reitsma so intead of us just getting 7 losers, we have to add the loss of Chris to the column.

I hope we recover from O'Brien by the time I die. I'd like to win again.

redsmetz
04-22-2006, 05:20 PM
I missed watching most of the game, but I unfortunately listened to it, which brings up the question...

Under what circumstances does a competent manager allow a pitcher to serve up 4 HRs in an inning? Claussen had shown the world that he didn't have it today, and after Miller's HR, I would think a 6-0 deficit would have pesuaded a reasonable manager to pull him. Of course, in the end, it realy didn't make any difference, but I see a pattern. And I'll go back to my comments of yesterday (mostly ignored) about Boone-Miley-Narron being clones.

I know it has a lot to do with the bullpen's seeming incompetence, but I would think that allowing 6 runs in 3-plus innings should send a message very clearly to the manager that we needed to get another pitcher in there. In fact (though a little early), allowing the first three in two innings should have done that. Yet, the blank stare so common to our last three managers was there as Brandon got his brains beaten out.

Drives me nuts.

Well Bill Rigney chose to let a pitcher give up four homers in 1963 while managing the Angels (albeit in their third year), but he was competant mangaer. Sam Mele, manager of the Twins, allowed a pitcher to have 3 dingers hit off him the next year. Again, he seems to have been a reasonably competent manager too, leading the Twins to the World Series in 1965.

The point is, I think there are times you just realize the karma is significantly off. I'm guessing that Narron saw the bullpen was still overworked and decided to try to get more out Claussen. At that, some of the bullpen did alright today. It only shows up as one L in the record, time to move on and get ready for tomorrow.

And yes, Wayne should keep beating the bushes for any available arm that can help us with any consistency.

Topcat
04-22-2006, 05:25 PM
Harang and Claussen are not a concern, Williams and Miltons knee are major concerns.

WVRedsFan
04-22-2006, 05:32 PM
Well Bill Rigney chose to let a pitcher give up four homers in 1963 while managing the Angels (albeit in their third year), but he was competant mangaer. Sam Mele, manager of the Twins, allowed a pitcher to have 3 dingers hit off him the next year. Again, he seems to have been a reasonably competent manager too, leading the Twins to the World Series in 1965.

The point is, I think there are times you just realize the karma is significantly off. I'm guessing that Narron saw the bullpen was still overworked and decided to try to get more out Claussen. At that, some of the bullpen did alright today. It only shows up as one L in the record, time to move on and get ready for tomorrow.

And yes, Wayne should keep beating the bushes for any available arm that can help us with any consistency.

Just curious. Were any of those scenarios you mention in the same inning? Was it in the fourth inning after giving up two runs the inning before?

Rigney managed three clubs (SF, Angels, and Twins), but he has a losing record overall. In 11 of his 17 seasons as a manager, he had a losing record, three times being fired. And although Mele had a winning record overall as a manager with Minnesota, his firing in 1967 doesn't reflect well on him either.

Of course, as we all know, even Lou Piniella was with Tampa Bay for a few years. But some have it and some don't. Sooner or later, we'll all realize that Jerry don't.

traderumor
04-22-2006, 05:54 PM
Just curious. Were any of those scenarios you mention in the same inning? Was it in the fourth inning after giving up two runs the inning before?

Rigney managed three clubs (SF, Angels, and Twins), but he has a losing record overall. In 11 of his 17 seasons as a manager, he had a losing record, three times being fired. And although Mele had a winning record overall as a manager with Minnesota, his firing in 1967 doesn't reflect well on him either.

Of course, as we all know, even Lou Piniella was with Tampa Bay for a few years. But some have it and some don't. Sooner or later, we'll all realize that Jerry don't.Claussen had just come off a 1-2-3 through the middle of the order.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 06:07 PM
Claussen had just come off a 1-2-3 through the middle of the order.

He struck out the side but he also walked Lee in the 3rd.

reds44
04-22-2006, 06:18 PM
You all should be happy. I had to watch that crap in person. Worst game I have ever been to.

reds44
04-22-2006, 07:06 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1186.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1189.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1190.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1191.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1192.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1193.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1194.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1198.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1199.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1205.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1208.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1212.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1209.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1214.jpg
a guy ran on the field, that was about the best part of the game.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1213.jpg

reds44
04-22-2006, 07:07 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1206.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1207.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1211.jpg

Cedric
04-22-2006, 07:09 PM
Best thing about today's game was when Chris said that pitchers in the old days would never allow that many homers in a row. Come to find out 1966 was the only other time it happened.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 07:27 PM
You all should be happy. I had to watch that crap in person. Worst game I have ever been to.

Did they open the roof during the game today? And one of your pictures look like security hauling someone off the field. What happened? Nice pics, BTW. Thanks for sharing.

reds44
04-22-2006, 07:33 PM
Did they open the roof during the game today? And one of your pictures look like security hauling someone off the field. What happened? Nice pics, BTW. Thanks for sharing.
I left in the middle of the 6th (I couldn't watch it anymore) and while I was there the roof never oponed. The haad the panels open which brought some air in through the outfield, but the roof was never open.

After the Brewers put up the 7 run inning that guy ran onto the field. It was the best part of the game.

westofyou
04-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Come to find out 1966 was the only other time it happened.

It happened against the Reds in 1961 and 1939

OnBaseMachine
04-22-2006, 07:56 PM
I love the looks of Miller Park, but the lighting in that place is atrocious. Look how dark it is in those pictures. No wonder the Reds always struggle in that place.

Big Klu
04-22-2006, 08:02 PM
There is a really nice little-league field on the grounds in the complex, just outside Miller Park. Was there a game going on there? (It might have been a better game than the one inside the stadium.)

reds44
04-22-2006, 08:03 PM
There is a really nice little-league field on the grounds in the complex, just outside Miller Park. Was there a game going on there? (It might have been a better game than the one inside the stadium.)
Yes that thing is awesome, but no there wasn't a game going on. It was alittle nippy in Milwaukee today. It wasn't really cold, but there was a cool breeze. That is probably why the roof was closed.

I love Miller Park, probably my favorite stadium.

reds44
04-22-2006, 08:04 PM
I love the looks of Miller Park, but the lighting in that place is atrocious. Look how dark it is in those pictures. No wonder the Reds always struggle in that place.
Where they put the lights is awful too. A fly ball can't go up in the outfield without you losing it in the lights for a couple seconds.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 08:06 PM
I left in the middle of the 6th (I couldn't watch it anymore) and while I was there the roof never oponed. The haad the panels open which brought some air in through the outfield, but the roof was never open.

After the Brewers put up the 7 run inning that guy ran onto the field. It was the best part of the game.

I only asked because late in the game, I saw sun on the field and I thought once the game began, MLB prohibited opening the roof. I could be wrong about that however.

Normally I wouldn't condone running onto the field, but perhaps that dude got struck by one of the HR balls in the 4th and was merely seeking medical attention.

reds44
04-22-2006, 08:08 PM
I only asked because late in the game, I saw sun on the field and I thought once the game began, MLB prohibited opening the roof. I could be wrong about that however.

Normally I wouldn't condone running onto the field, but perhaps that dude got struck by one of the HR balls in the 4th and was merely seeking medical attention.
Well they could have been coming in from the outfield, and there are also these window things in the upper deck that let's sunlight in.

See here:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1211.jpg
outfield panels open allowing the sun in

and

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1209.jpg
window thingys

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 08:10 PM
Well Bill Rigney chose to let a pitcher give up four homers in 1963 while managing the Angels (albeit in their third year), but he was competant mangaer. Sam Mele, manager of the Twins, allowed a pitcher to have 3 dingers hit off him the next year. Again, he seems to have been a reasonably competent manager too, leading the Twins to the World Series in 1965.

The point is, I think there are times you just realize the karma is significantly off. I'm guessing that Narron saw the bullpen was still overworked and decided to try to get more out Claussen. At that, some of the bullpen did alright today. It only shows up as one L in the record, time to move on and get ready for tomorrow.

And yes, Wayne should keep beating the bushes for any available arm that can help us with any consistency.

Good points redz. Since 06-06-1894, 23 different pitchers have given up four HR's in a single inning. The list of infamous pitchers include such notables as Catfish Hunter, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, and Mario Soto. And the managers who left those four in the game include Jack McKeon*, Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, and Pete Rose.

*Not quiet sure about this. It might be Bobby Winkles.

reds44
04-22-2006, 08:15 PM
Miller has 3 different stages.

Roof open (when the roof is open the panels are always open):
http://www.baritoneconsulting.com/public_html/trip/stadium_pix/miller_park/scoreboard.jpg

Roof closed, panels closed (basically a dome)
http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/contractor_images/carter/Miller_2.jpg

Then today, the roof closed, but panels open making it a canopy (sp?)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1209.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1211.jpg

Don't get me wrong I love GABP, but IMO we could have done more with it.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 08:20 PM
Well they could have been coming in from the outfield, and there are also these window things in the upper deck that let's sunlight in.


That's probably what I was seeing and I'm not sure about the MLB regs on opening the roof after gametime. It looks like a really nice park. Did you get any pics of the new beer garden in RF?

reds44
04-22-2006, 08:23 PM
That's probably what I was seeing and I'm not sure about the MLB regs on opening the roof after gametime. It looks like a really nice park. Did you get any pics of the new beer garden in RF?
Ahh no sorry, but it was very nice. Right on the field, looked like they had good food, and they had flat screen monitors in it.

IMO, I will would still go to TGIFriday's front row before it. Yoy can't match Friday's food, and 99% of the time you will get a ball if you go for BP.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1193.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/G-FORCE7/DSCN1212.jpg

nycredsfan
04-22-2006, 08:28 PM
Good points redz. Since 06-06-1894, 23 different pitchers have given up four HR's in a single inning. The list of infamous pitchers include such notables as Catfish Hunter, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, and Mario Soto. And the managers who left those four in the game include Jack McKeon*, Joe Torre, Bobby Cox, and Pete Rose.

*Not quiet sure about this. It might be Bobby Winkles.


I believe it was actually Billy Martin as it happened in '77 and Hunter was pitching for NY.

You forgot to mention that the such greats as Jose Lima and Phil Norton have accomplished this feat. Also, LaRussa allowed this to happen to Benes in 2001.

TeamBoone
04-22-2006, 08:42 PM
According to the TV broadcasters, they've been having problems with the roof and because there was a possibility of rain they didn't want to chance it. Apparently, it's been getting stuck while only half open.

indyred
04-22-2006, 08:59 PM
I think the State is sueing the builders of the roof.......they have had problems and spent big money on fixing the whell system and the leaking......it's a Japan company that they contracted the roof with.......It does like kinda dark in there when roof is closed........i was there when it was all open and I loved the park....I like PNC slightly better of the one's if been to......plan on hitting Jacobs Field, curious how this one will stack up....looks great from TV....

indyred
04-22-2006, 09:01 PM
great pics reds44....love seeing different pics from parks

reds44
04-22-2006, 09:14 PM
I am going to Minute Maid Park in Junly for 2 Reds/Astros games and I am going to compare that to Miller Park.

I'll take pics and make sure to post them with Miller and you can compare the lighting.

July in Texas means hot, so I am pretty sure there is a good shot the roof will be closed.

indyred
04-22-2006, 09:22 PM
Was parking lot packed with tailgaters........i couldn't believe how many people were doing that there when I went.......then when you leave a bunch of big birds were out feeding themselves with leftovers........

brewcrewfan
04-22-2006, 09:24 PM
Brewer fan here...

Last Season(or this season, forgot) the Brewers upgraded there lighting so it's much brighter.

Reds Nd2
04-22-2006, 09:28 PM
I believe it was actually Billy Martin as it happened in '77 and Hunter was pitching for NY.

You are correct. I always forget that CatFish pitched for the Yankees. This ones all on me. Crap, I hate being wrong. ;)


You forgot to mention that the such greats as Jose Lima and Phil Norton have accomplished this feat. Also, LaRussa allowed this to happen to Benes in 2001.

Nah, I didn't forget them. I just picked some of the better pitchers who had also managed to accomplish the same feat.

reds44
04-22-2006, 09:30 PM
Was parking lot packed with tailgaters........i couldn't believe how many people were doing that there when I went.......then when you leave a bunch of big birds were out feeding themselves with leftovers........
Yeah we got there 2 hours before the game and there was a ton of them! I felt like I was at a football game.

remdog
04-22-2006, 10:37 PM
I see the Reds figured out a way to shorten the game thread. :p:

Rem

KronoRed
04-22-2006, 11:54 PM
Don't get me wrong I love GABP, but IMO we could have done more with it.
Agreed, this is probably on the list of reasons I loath US Bank arena, if it wasn't there the Reds wouldn't have been so jammed in on the design.

reds44
04-22-2006, 11:58 PM
I could be wrong, but wasn't there a design that would have had Riverfront renovated with a retractable roof? Or was it just a new stadium that looked like riverfront? Or am I imagining things?