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RedRage
04-23-2006, 04:34 PM
I think throwing at guys is BS macho posturing that has no business in the game. Fortunately, I'm not the Reds manager.

Macho posturing is like 70% of baseball. Have to protect your own.

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 04:35 PM
Ground crew dancing.

Tony in the dugout, practicing his moves in preparation for joining his new colleagues next week. ;)

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 04:35 PM
I think throwing at guys is BS macho posturing that has no business in the game. Fortunately, I'm not the Reds manager.

I agree that a lot of it is posturing. But, Kearns has been hit twice in a blowout and you can't let your teammates get treated like that. Now, which pitcher on the Reds staff can be counted on to actually hit the batter? That's asking a lot out of some of them.

flynn78
04-23-2006, 04:35 PM
If the past holds we won't retaliate. It has been like that for a few years. We have had very few instances where we got retribution.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:35 PM
Lee strikes out looking. 1 out.

RedRage
04-23-2006, 04:36 PM
I agree that a lot of it is posturing. But, Kearns has been hit twice in a blowout and you can't let your teammates get treated like that. Now, which pitcher on the Reds staff can be counted on to actually hit the batter? That's asking a lot out of some of them.

We can send White out there and tell him the batter is actually the bat.

:obrien: - Pitch to Contact Ricky!

paintmered
04-23-2006, 04:37 PM
We can send White out there and tell him the batter is actually the bat.

*chortle*

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:37 PM
Fielder strikes out looking. 2 outs.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:38 PM
There's a couple of good retaliatory at bats right there.

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:38 PM
I agree that a lot of it is posturing. But, Kearns has been hit twice in a blowout and you can't let your teammates get treated like that. Now, which pitcher on the Reds staff can be counted on to actually hit the batter? That's asking a lot out of some of them.

We're on our way to a victory. I don't think the first hit on Ears was intentional at all.

No need to clear benches and get someone hurt.... when you are winning.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:38 PM
Weeks grounds out to the pitcher. 8-0 Reds after 7.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:39 PM
But brawls are fun for the whole family.

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 04:39 PM
We're on our way to a victory. I don't think the first hit on Ears was intentional at all.

No need to clear benches and get someone hurt.... when you are winning.

Especially when you don't have Glenn Braggs around.

fisch11
04-23-2006, 04:40 PM
Think Narron will let Harang try for CG on 3 days rest?

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 04:40 PM
If Arroyo were pitching today then someone from teh Brew Crew would have already been hit. That guy loves to retaliate...and I love him for that. Wasn't he the one that started the big fight between the Yanks and Red Sox in July of 2004?

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:40 PM
OK. That Domino's XLP commercial.....who on here reminds you of the skater?...."you want to rip it up?" :lol:

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:41 PM
Think Narron will let Harang try for CG on 3 days rest?

90 pitches for Harang

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:41 PM
But brawls are fun for the whole family.

brawling experience?

Patrick Bateman
04-23-2006, 04:41 PM
...it will be like when my mom tried to spank us when we were young....

I'm sure you didn't realize this, but that was your "aloud voice"....

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:42 PM
Danny Kolb in to pitch.

Larue flies out to right. 1 out.

TNREDSFAN
04-23-2006, 04:42 PM
Jason LaRue flies out to right fielder Geoff Jenkins.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:42 PM
Harang in.

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 04:42 PM
brawling experience?

Nah, Krono is just a connoiseur of women's mud-wrestling.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:43 PM
Couple of good swings for Harang. Any hope for him?

JohhnyBench1001
04-23-2006, 04:43 PM
90 pitches for Harang


The smart thing to do is let one of your relievers come in and save Harang's arm. Therefore Narron will let him go for the CG on short rest.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:43 PM
Nah, Krono is just a connoiseur of women's mud-wrestling.
:eek:

Chip R
04-23-2006, 04:43 PM
Especially when you don't have Glenn Braggs around.

You think they are going to mess with a team who has Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey on it?

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:45 PM
Harang strikes out. 2 outs.

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:45 PM
Nah, Krono is just a connoiseur of women's mud-wrestling.

The last brawl he was in was with his wife over the last apple juice. Needless to say - Krono settled for an ice pack and a glass of crystal clear KY water. ;)

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:45 PM
First couple of swings by Harang looked pretty good, but after that, it looked like he got tired from swinging.

RedRage
04-23-2006, 04:45 PM
You think they are going to mess with a team who has Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey on it?

Don't forget Tony Womack. I hear hes pretty good in a "scrap".

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 04:46 PM
You think they are going to mess with a team who has Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey on it?

I agree. Wiki Gonzales's head has still not stopped rolling.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:46 PM
McCracken walks.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:46 PM
Run it up!

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 04:46 PM
Don't forget Tony Womack. I hear hes pretty good in a "scrap".

No, you misheard that. They must have said he belongs on the scrap heap.

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:47 PM
You think they are going to mess with a team who has Adam Dunn and Todd Coffey on it?

As Richard Pryor once told his wife.... "You should have run! I beat you back to the house by 15 minutes baby!" ;)

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:47 PM
Lopez grounds out. 8-0 Reds mid 8th.

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 04:48 PM
The Reds have walked 13 times today and been HBP three times.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:48 PM
The Reds have walked 13 times today and been HBP three times.
That OBP is just a BS stat

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 04:49 PM
No, you misheard that. They must have said he belongs on the scrap heap.
:lol:

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:49 PM
The Reds have walked 13 times today and been HBP three times.

Add in a couple of errors, too.

Matt700wlw
04-23-2006, 04:50 PM
How about Harang? 3 days rest, in his 8th inning, only allowed (so far) 2 hits.

:clap:

Chip R
04-23-2006, 04:50 PM
I know some managers like to wait a series or two to retaliate but why not do it with a comfortable lead in a game? At least why not knock a guy down?

MWM
04-23-2006, 04:51 PM
Get him out NOW!!!!!!!!!!

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:51 PM
Koskie singles to right.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:51 PM
Pen ready?

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 04:52 PM
Add in a couple of errors, too.

And no homers.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:52 PM
Koskie should have tried to bunt for a hit, and get something going.

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:52 PM
6-4-3 Dp

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:52 PM
Miller grounds into a 6-4-3 DP.

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 04:53 PM
Pen ready?

Just a minute. They haven't finished filling the gasoline can.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:53 PM
Gross pinch hits and singles to left.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:53 PM
How about Harang? 3 days rest, in his 8th inning, only allowed (so far) 2 hits.

:clap:

Sweet, sweet, sweet.

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:54 PM
I doubt Aaron is in for the 9th.

red-in-la
04-23-2006, 04:55 PM
Seeing the ball must be plain wicked right now...

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:55 PM
Nice job Aaron. Clark K's to end inning

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:55 PM
Clark strikes out swinging. 8-0 Reds after 8.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:56 PM
Good game..bring the Coffey man in

PickOff
04-23-2006, 04:56 PM
Narron should let Harang stretch it, IMO. He only has thrown 105 pitches.

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Good game..bring the Coffey man in

No need to blow one of the three reliable arms (Mercker, Weathers, Coffey) by working them tonight.

Someone else can throw the 9th.

MWM
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Who's better looking, Harang or Turnbow?

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Brewers will be good..one day.

GAC
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Narron should let Harang stretch it, IMO. He only has thrown 105 pitches.

I have no problem with it.That is something that is determined in a conversation between the pitcher and manager.

But the way Harang is throwing, let him start out the 9th.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Derrick Turnbow in to pitch.

Hall commits his 2nd error of the day.

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Narron should let Harang stretch it, IMO. He only has thrown 105 pitches.

Let him try for the complete game shutout.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
No need to blow one of the three reliable arms (Mercker, Weathers, Coffey) by working them tonight.

Someone can throw the 9th.
I'm afraid of the others with anything less then a 12 run lead

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
Maybe give Mercker some work.

What was that play by Hall??

paintmered
04-23-2006, 04:59 PM
Narron should let Harang stretch it, IMO. He only has thrown 105 pitches.

Nah, it's a long season. We may actually need him in July this year.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:00 PM
I meant Mercker. He hasn't pitched in a while that past week or so, he might be rusty.

JohhnyBench1001
04-23-2006, 05:00 PM
No need to blow one of the three reliable arms (Mercker, Weathers, Coffey) by working them tonight.

Someone else can throw the 9th.


Agreed put in White or Hammonds..........we can afford to give up 4 today.

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 05:00 PM
What was that play by Hall??

The Force bringing itself back into balance.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
Dunn lines a hit to right. 1st and 2nd.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
A single with a man on..BUT WAIT he wasn't in scoring position, worthless single.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
Kearns almost hit again..who did he tick off?

JohhnyBench1001
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
AD has had a great game today......5 times on base today.

WVSteveVT
04-23-2006, 05:02 PM
let's get 3 more runs just to even things out

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 05:02 PM
Question, if Kearns comes up again and gets plunked should he charge the mound?

Patrick Bateman
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
I meant Mercker. He hasn't pitched in a while that past week or so, he might be rusty.
Would yesterday be considered some time in the "past week or so"?;)

WMR
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
Love to see Kearns take Turnbow deep

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
Question, if Kearns comes up again and gets plunked should he charge the mound?
As long as he brings the bat.

RedRage
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
Kearns almost hit again..who did he tick off?

Kearns overheard yesterday saying he was going to take the sheep shears out on Turnbow like he used to do back home.

:mooner:

WMR
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
Krono, you're forgetting who 's standing on 1st and 2nd.

Nature boy and Dunn.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:03 PM
Narron should let Harang stretch it, IMO. He only has thrown 105 pitches.

On 3 days rest... not smart ot kill your horse. Look at what happened to Chicago.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:04 PM
That was ball 4 Austin.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:04 PM
Kearns strikes out swinging. 1 out.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:05 PM
Would yesterday be considered some time in the "past week or so"?;)

Right. I meant "much" not "in a while".

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 05:05 PM
Krono, you're forgetting who 's standing on 1st and 2nd.

Nature boy and Dunn.

Special moves include the Figure-4 and the Atomic Drop.

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2006, 05:05 PM
That was ball 4 Austin.

After being plunked twice and thrown at a half dozen more times, he just wanted out of the box and onto the team flight.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
Encarnacion grounds into a 6-4 fielder's choice. Great play by Hall. 2 outs.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
That kid needs fielding practice

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
Special moves include the Figure-4 and the Atomic Drop.

Did you own the NWA video game for the original NES?

Great game.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
Now that was a fun assist by Hall.

I once saw Larkin throw someone out at second while standing on his head.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:07 PM
Haha

Suckers :evil:

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:07 PM
Phillips homers to left. 11-0 Reds!!!

WMR
04-23-2006, 05:07 PM
Brandon Phillips bring the cowbell

PickOff
04-23-2006, 05:07 PM
Unbelievable.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:07 PM
3 does indeed even it out.

Shall we go for one up?

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Yeah, but it's all run inefficient

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Did you own the NWA video game for the original NES?

Great game.

My brother did. Also spent a fair amount of time playing Mike Tyson's punch out, Double Dribble, and Tecmo Bowl (probably my favorite).

membengal
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
My goodness Brandon Phillips, you may not walk, but you sure do rake. When some batting eye comes in, well, it's gonna be something I want to see.

Now tied for club lead in RBI. Bless him.

And, the pythag disaster from yesterday is fixed 24 hours later.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
karma B****es!

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Fn Awesome!!! Stick that in yer pipe and smoke it, Mil-Honk-ee!!!

Back to the drawing board Douggy Mel--your team is a smoke screen.

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Brandon Phillips now tied for club lead in RBI.

Who had him in the preseason pool?

reds44
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
Bp!!!

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:09 PM
My brother did. Also spent a fair amount of time playing Mike Tyson's punch out, Double Dribble, and Tecmo Bowl (probably my favorite).


The special move = Atomic Drop gave you away.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:09 PM
Larue grounds out. 11-0 Reds mid 9th.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:09 PM
Yeah, but it's all run inefficient
10 wasted runs.

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2006, 05:09 PM
My brother did. Also spent a fair amount of time playing Mike Tyson's punch out, Double Dribble, and Tecmo Bowl (probably my favorite).

And don't forget the greatest Nintendo game of all time: River City Ransom. Walk through a city, beat people up for lunch money, and shop at the mall. Can't beat it.

GullyFoyle
04-23-2006, 05:09 PM
If we could just swap pitching today with yesterday... we would have two awesome games!

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:09 PM
EE and Phillips both have 17 RBIs

Kc61
04-23-2006, 05:10 PM
How did this guy Phillips get waived?

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:10 PM
Just imagine.

If Krivsky can pick up Phillips for cash or a PTBNL, just imagine what he'll get for Womack.

Buckaholic
04-23-2006, 05:10 PM
I heart Wayne Krivsky and I xxoo Brandon "(B)atting (P)ractice" Phillips

RedRage
04-23-2006, 05:10 PM
Maybe we can leave Womack in Milwaukee when we leave.

Womack = :runawaycr

paintmered
04-23-2006, 05:10 PM
This series has been a pythag roller-coaster. I will update the damage tonight.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:10 PM
Larue grounds out. 11-0 Reds mid 9th.

Good, spares us another Harang attempt at the plate... although give him props for scoring the only run v.s the cards 2 starts ago.

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
Maybe we can leave Womack in Milwaukee when we leave.

Womack = :runawaycr
Box him up and leave him at Dan O's office door.

Johnny Vander m
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
And a gun shot was just heard in the Reds dougout, Womack left a goodby note.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
How did this guy Phillips get waived?

Phillips obviously isn't an AL-type player.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
BTW, Falls ... are you on the Phillips bandwagon yet?

WVSteveVT
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
wonder what the major league record is for run differential in back to back shutouts between the same 2 teams (if that makes any sense)

Patrick Bateman
04-23-2006, 05:11 PM
Roof closed today = plenty of strikeouts and probably under four runs for the Reds.

:mooner:

Jr's Boy
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
11-0
Reds retribution.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
Hall grounds out to short. 1 out.

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
BTW, Falls ... are you on the Phillips bandwagon yet?

The minute he draws a walk. :devil:

PickOff
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
EE and Phillips both have 17 RBIs

Better sit Phillips when Griffey gets back. ;)

The Reds have a chance to just be devestating from an offensive standpoint if they just move Dunn to first and Griffey to left. Just silly good. Which is why it won't happen. :rolleyes:

Fullboat
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
Baseball is a Freaky game

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
How did this guy Phillips get waived?Sometimes player need a change of scenery, it was that way with Phillips. Jerome Williams of the Little Bears is another example.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
BTW, Falls ... are you on the Phillips bandwagon yet?

I'm not. Anyone can get hot. The fact that he's swinging at everything is troublesome. Eventually they'll figure him out and if he keeps swinging, he'll revert to his old numbers.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:13 PM
The minute he draws a walk. :devil:You are a hard man to please.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:13 PM
Ironically, first dinger all game comes in the 9th after 8 runs have already been put on the board. Where is the team that could do nothing but crush long balls? Give Narron some props for getting runs out of his lineups even when guys aren't swinging the big stick.

Reds Nd2
04-23-2006, 05:13 PM
This series has been a pythag roller-coaster. I will update the damage tonight.

Sweet. I like the pythag thread. :beerme:

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:13 PM
The minute he draws a walk. :devil:
Same.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:13 PM
Sometimes player need a change of scenery, it was that way with Phillips. Jerome Williams of the Little Bears is another example.

Jerome just got sent to AAA.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:14 PM
Jenkins doubles to the left field corner.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:14 PM
This is just silly keeping Harang in with 111 pitches on 3 days rest.

PickOff
04-23-2006, 05:14 PM
Who is up in the bullpen if Harang approaches 125?

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:14 PM
I'm not. Anyone can get hot. True, but Falls wanted him sent to the Gulag in Siberia.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:14 PM
Does that long double mean Aaron's done? Or is he going for the full 9?

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
This is just silly keeping Harang in with 111 pitches on 3 days rest.
If he gets bombed in his next start I'm gonna be looking at Narron, 8 inning shutout is just as good as a 9 inning one.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Take him out Jerry, please! Another long out, and a tired Harang next start are not good.

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Who is up in the bullpen if Harang approaches 125?

At this point, I'd be cool with Ryan Freel throwing an inning.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
And why use Coffey? Use one of the scrubs.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Jerome just got sent to AAA.exactly, he had one bad start and outta here. Heck, Dave Williams has been much worse.

Gandalf the Red
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Maybe we can leave Womack in Milwaukee when we leave.

Womack = :runawaycr

Anybody remember that early 90s SNL skit where Ross Perot tried to leave Stockdale in the woods?

Adapted for our situation:
Krivsky and Womack are driving in a car.

Krivsky: "Hey Tony--look--out in the woods--there's a 10-point buck deer!"

Womack: "I don't see it."

K: "You're kidding! Well, here, I'll pull over so you can get out of the car and get a closer look. You don't wanna miss this."

W: (gets out of car) "Well okay. But I still don't see it."

K: "Keep walkin...keep walkin'...it's just over the hill there..."

Krivsky floors the gas and drives off...

WMR
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
NICE WHEELS by McCracken.

I'm not gonna say it.

cyoung
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
EE and Phillips both have 17 RBIs
All of BP's RBIs are this week.......absolutely unbelievable.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Lee flies out to the warning track in center. Good running catch by McCracken. 2 outs.

PickOff
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
Does that long double mean Aaron's done? Or is he going for the full 9?


I imagine Narron has a pitch count in mind here, regardless.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:16 PM
If he gets bombed in his next start I'm gonna be looking at Narron, 8 inning shutout is just as good as a 9 inning one.

Yep. it's either the next start or the one after that when the effect is really felt.

Patrick Bateman
04-23-2006, 05:16 PM
Anyone can get hot.
Juan Castro says "Hi".:wave:

Reds Nd2
04-23-2006, 05:16 PM
I'm not. Anyone can get hot. The fact that he's swinging at everything is troublesome. Eventually they'll figure him out and if he keeps swinging, he'll revert to his old numbers.

Agreed. Man cannot live by a BA driven OBP alone.

Kc61
04-23-2006, 05:16 PM
You have to let Harang have a chance to complete the shutout.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:17 PM
Juan Castro says "Hi".:wave:

Yep, Castro is a great example. Even he got hot every once in a while. I remember when he started off 2004 hot everyone thought he had finally figured it out.

membengal
04-23-2006, 05:17 PM
This is just silly keeping Harang in with 111 pitches on 3 days rest.

yes. silly.

other words work too...in addition to silly...unconscionable, pointless, dangerous, insane, "Baker-like", short bus stupid, old-school dumb, and maybe also negligent.

No reason to work him to 120 pitches when you don't have to. There just isn't. Hope we don't recall this game sadly in late June when he shows up with "tired arm" etc.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:17 PM
All of BP's RBIs are this week.......absolutely unbelievable.that's what happens when you bat all the time with runners on. Kearns and Dunn each reached base 5 times in the game

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Good guys win

WMR
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Complete game shut-out! Congrats Harang!

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
All of BP's RBIs are this week.......absolutely unbelievable.

Player of the Week?

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
You have to let Harang have a chance to complete the shutout.
Agreed all I have heard and seen for the last day is how lousy the Reds pitching is and how many homers they give up. This is good for morale.

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
yes. silly.

other words work too...in addition to silly...unconscionable, pointless, dangerous, insane, "Baker-like", short bus stupid, old-school dumb, and maybe also negligent.

No reason to work him to 120 pitches when you don't have to. There just isn't. Hope we don't recall this game sadly in late June when he shows up with "tired arm" etc.

Particularly when his shoulder was barking in spring training. Stup-pedd.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Game! Complete game shut out to our boy Harang. This doesn't change the fact I'm mad at Jerry for letting Harang finish it off, however. He needs some rest on that gimpy shoulder.

Reds Fanatic
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
Fielder grounds out to 2nd. Great start by Harang. A complete game 5 hit shutout. 11-0 Reds!!

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
You have to let Harang have a chance to complete the shutout.
Why? it's a little number in a stat column, it's also April

cyoung
04-23-2006, 05:18 PM
that's what happens when you bat all the time with runners on. Kearns and Dunn each reached base 5 times in the game


Good point.

MWM
04-23-2006, 05:19 PM
I'm happy for Harang, but I still don't think he should have been out ther in the 9th.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:20 PM
with the state of the pen and the Lizard pitching tomorrow it was good to give everyone a day off. A big point is that they were basically all low stress innnings(except for the 2nd).

Cedric
04-23-2006, 05:20 PM
Why? it's a little number in a stat column, it's also April

I know there isn't a stat for confidence in baseball, but sometimes it helps. 120 easy pitches aren't out of the norm. He wasn't pitching in stress at all and that matters.

I would have pulled Harang after the eighth also, but it's not that weird.

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:20 PM
Well, at least we won't be the last team to have a CG this year. Harang was the first (and only, am i correct?) to do it last year for us as well.

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 05:20 PM
Why? it's a little number in a stat column, it's also April
Would you say that if I said OBP was overrated?

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:21 PM
I know there isn't a stat for confidence in baseball, but sometimes it helps. 120 easy pitches aren't out of the norm. He wasn't pitching in stress at all and that matters.

I would have pulled Harang after the eighth also, but it's not that weird.

120 pitches isn't weird when you're on your normal schedule. But three days' rest....

Gallen5862
04-23-2006, 05:22 PM
"This one belongs to the Reds." Great job by Harang on short rest a Complete Game Shutout. WTG Phillips.

Strikes Out Looking
04-23-2006, 05:22 PM
I disagree and am glad he pitched the CG--he did one for the team today. The bullpen got a complete rest and he also showed that he has the stuff to be a stopper. He and Bronson are studs. We need 3 more like them.

And a just a few years ago, a CG wasn't that big of a deal. It should be done more, not less.

FlyingPig
04-23-2006, 05:22 PM
wow..a complete game shut-out..

from a Red's pitcher...

on 3 days rest..

from a Red's pitcher..

:eek:

:rockband: :KoolAid:

:bowrofl: :harang:

harangatang
04-23-2006, 05:23 PM
120 pitches isn't weird when you're on your normal schedule. But three days' rest....
We're back in the old days of the 4 man rotation

KronoRed
04-23-2006, 05:23 PM
Would you say that if I said OBP was overrated?
That stat is not useless ;)

WMR
04-23-2006, 05:23 PM
I like the decision. 120 pitches isn't in 'Crazy-Dusty' territory yet.

Like others said, the majority were obviously low-stress.

A nice momentum-building performance, maybe?

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:24 PM
When was the last time the Reds took 3 of 4 in Milwaukee?

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 05:25 PM
When was the last time the Reds took 3 of 4 in Milwaukee?

Never?

Patrick Bateman
04-23-2006, 05:25 PM
When was the last time the Reds took 3 of 4 in Milwaukee?
10 minutes ago.....;)

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:25 PM
Aaron brought up a good point in the post game interview too: he didn't throw a lot of pitches his last time out.

THNDRacket
04-23-2006, 05:26 PM
10 minutes ago.....;)

Oh yeah! Short term memory loss!

Redmachine2003
04-23-2006, 05:26 PM
Dunn better start shaking the dust of his 1st baseman's mitt so it will be ready when Jr gets back.

Red in Atl
04-23-2006, 05:27 PM
How about a new nickname for Phillips...BP Connect...I just came in fron the yardwork and set down to see the stats from this game...great comeback from last nights blunder...WTG Reds!

Dunner44
04-23-2006, 05:28 PM
This was only the 8th complete game this year by ML pitchers (Garcia of CWS also got a CG on less than 9 innings... a rain-out? Randy Johnson got his CG on 8 innings, so we'll count that one), and the reds were the 7th team to record a CG. This was only the 4th CG shutout. Smoltz, Bush and Hendrickson have the other 3.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:28 PM
Dunn better start shaking the dust of his 1st baseman's mitt so it will be ready when Jr gets back.It makes so much sense. This offense has been awesome and pitchers have no breather anywhere in the lineup, now imagine replacing Hattberg/Aurilia with a healthy Jr.

Chip R
04-23-2006, 05:30 PM
I'm happy for Harang, but I still don't think he should have been out ther in the 9th.

I agree. Did we fire Narron and hire Dusty? Pretty dumb. The 9th would have been a perfect time to bring Coffey in and have him plunk Jenkins. He probably would have been kicked out and then bring in Mercker to finish them off. That way you retaliate for Kearns, Coffey throwws 1 or 2 pitches, Mercker gets some work and Harang rests.

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:30 PM
The thing that I like about Phillips is he has showed he can handle the breaking ball away and the inside fastball(like the one from Turnbow). You can handle those two pitches with any consistency and you can hit.

reds44
04-23-2006, 05:30 PM
Can we please stop questioning Jerry's lineups??

Handofdeath
04-23-2006, 05:30 PM
With Arroyo pitching lights out and Harang getting it done. There's hope. There's definitely hope. Especially if Claussen can get his ERA back to last year's 4.21.

Cedric
04-23-2006, 05:31 PM
It makes so much sense. This offense has been awesome and pitchers have no breather anywhere in the lineup, now imagine replacing Hattberg/Aurilia with a healthy Jr.

I think it works. Jerry can find a way to get Rich in there against LH's and give Dunn and/or Felipe a day off.

redsrule2500
04-23-2006, 05:32 PM
Great Game!!

Way to dish back the 11-0 in their face.:thumbup:

GullyFoyle
04-23-2006, 05:35 PM
We're back in the old days of the 4 man rotation


It will be interesting see how this plays out... What if he DOESN'T have a bad outing next time?

It would be interesting to try it out... though this kind of change should happen in the minor leagues first...

flyer85
04-23-2006, 05:36 PM
I think it works. Jerry can find a way to get Rich in there against LH's and give Dunn and/or Felipe a day off.Rich can play all four infield positions to give guys a day off. Getting him in the lineup 2-3 days a week should not be a problem.

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 05:36 PM
The thing that I like about Phillips is he has showed he can handle the breaking ball away and the inside fastball(like the one from Turnbow). You can handle those two pitches with any consistency and you can hit.

I agree. While he hasn't been walking, I haven't seen him swinging at a lot of bad balls out of the zone, or at least I haven't noticed it.

I would be more than pleased if he can provide an OBP in the area of .335-.345 range and continue to provide some doubles and a few homeruns here and there and play good defense like he has.

harangatang
04-23-2006, 05:40 PM
It will be interesting see how this plays out... What if he DOESN'T have a bad outing next time?

It would be interesting to try it out... though this kind of change should happen in the minor leagues first...

He'll have until Friday to rest with the offday on Thursday so I'll think he'll be fine.

Unassisted
04-23-2006, 05:56 PM
I caught the last two innings. Some great hitting by the Reds there at the end in those tough late afternoon shadows at Miller Park. Did I miss a mention at the beginning where somebody get rid of all of the bats used in both clubhouses from yesterday? ;)

I'm more impressed by the Reds winning this series than I was by them taking series from the Cubs, Pirates and Marlins. I've been more cautious than optimistic about their record this season, but am rolling back the caution a little bit now.

Houston swept the Pirates this weekend, so it should be interesting to see how the Reds do against Houston next weekend.

OnBaseMachine
04-23-2006, 06:01 PM
Roof closed today = plenty of strikeouts and probably under four runs for the Reds.

:laugh: :laugh:

The Reds typically struggle in Milwaukee when the roof is closed, not today obviously. Glad they proved me wrong.

reds44
04-23-2006, 06:02 PM
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MaineRed
04-23-2006, 06:26 PM
When Harang got bombed in the start before this one, against the Marlins, was that Narron's fault?

Since the Reds bullpen has to pitch 6 innings 3 out of every 5 days, I'd get as many innings out of my starters as I could. If the Reds go down in flames it is going to be because Williams, Milton, Clausen and the bullpen are getting racked, not because Narron had Harrang throw 5 more pitches than he should have on April 23rd. Add up Harang's totals from his last two games and its less than 200 pitches. He is a big guy and he sits at the top of our rotation. We need a guy who can do just what Harrang did today. Now because of his performance today, the Reds go into DC with some fresh arms in the pen and give themselves a chance to win some more games in which the starters get racked this week.

Maybe I'm an idiot but I'll take another 111 pitch CG tommorow.

traderumor
04-23-2006, 06:29 PM
Griping about 111 low stress pitches? He had one jam all day to work out of, otherwise he was coasting.

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 06:31 PM
Griping about 111 low stress pitches? He had one jam all day to work out of, otherwise he was coasting.

120. Discretion is the better part of valor...blah, blah.

The Reds are the last team that needs to be tempting fate.

Cedric
04-23-2006, 06:44 PM
120. Discretion is the better part of valor...blah, blah.

The Reds are the last team that needs to be tempting fate.

Anytime a human being uses the common pitching motion they are tempting fate. If Harang get's bombed next start I hope Jerry isn't blamed for it.

traderumor
04-23-2006, 06:44 PM
120. Discretion is the better part of valor...blah, blah.

The Reds are the last team that needs to be tempting fate.I see no indiscretion with 111 pitches in a five hit shutout. Guys are allowed to throw that many in 6-7 innings of a less effective outing and I usually see no complaints. This wasn't exactly a Dusty Baker 140 pitch special.

TeamBoone
04-23-2006, 07:17 PM
Because he pitched a hissy fit about being moved to first and was probably promised by Krivsky that they'd let him play LF during contract negotiations.

I can't believe everyone just let this one go by.

Dunn was more than willing to play 1B... he did, after all, give up his WBC invite to learn the position.

Where did you get the hissy fit from?

TeamBoone
04-23-2006, 07:35 PM
I wish JN had let BA go in the 9th the other day. The Reds could have had two CGs!

Caveat Emperor
04-23-2006, 07:37 PM
I can't believe everyone just let this one go by.

Dunn was more than willing to play 1B... he did, after all, give up his WBC invite to learn the position.

Where did you get the hissy fit from?

Jokingly. He never pitched a hissy fit, but he was never very enthusiastic about the move to first. He repeatedly stated that it wasn't his favorite position to play, etc.

Then, seemingly for no reason at all in spring training, he gets moved back to LF. He's played 1B before with no problems at all (several times) so it certainly wasn't a defensive issue. They didn't have anybody better than him to play, so it certainly wasn't a "blocked in" issue, and they had the extra defensive OFs (Freel & Denorfia) to play out there, so it wasn't like they were short an outfielder.

I'm just playing conspiracy theorist and suggesting that MAYBE Krivsky let Dunn know they would move him back to the OF as soon as they moved Pena as a concession or sweetener in the contract negotiations.

Otherwise, I can't find a reason he's not there.

TeamBoone
04-23-2006, 07:42 PM
Hmmm, I suppose that's as good a theory as any. There never was an article that really explained the change of heart... except for the fact that they acquired Hatteberg and traded Pena. Maybe those really were good enough reasons in the eyes of management. I don't think we'll ever know.

Patrick Bateman
04-23-2006, 08:06 PM
Since the Reds bullpen has to pitch 6 innings 3 out of every 5 days, I'd get as many innings out of my starters as I could.


THe Reds bullpen has had to pitch 6 innings in a game once this year, so suggesting that they have to do it 60% of the time isn't really instructive.

smith288
04-23-2006, 08:16 PM
Im stating for the record that I have no problems with Harangs 111 pitch CG SO.

I cant believe there is complaints about that... The above line is like angelic music to the weariest of ears.

GAC
04-23-2006, 08:42 PM
Question, if Kearns comes up again and gets plunked should he charge the mound?

If he's conscious.... yes! :D

GAC
04-23-2006, 08:46 PM
Im stating for the record that I have no problems with Harangs 111 pitch CG SO.

I cant believe there is complaints about that... The above line is like angelic music to the weariest of ears.

What you said.

I'm still upset to find out that RA might not be 6' 1" tall. ;)

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 08:50 PM
I see no indiscretion with 111 pitches in a five hit shutout. Guys are allowed to throw that many in 6-7 innings of a less effective outing and I usually see no complaints. This wasn't exactly a Dusty Baker 140 pitch special.

I'd wager that Marvin Lewis would have played it conservatively. ;) Am I crazy for thinking that he threw 120 pitches, not 111? MLB.com says he threw 120.

redsmetz
04-23-2006, 09:06 PM
Griping about 111 low stress pitches? He had one jam all day to work out of, otherwise he was coasting.

Did anyone else notice that this was the second time a Reds pitcher was cruising along with no walks when Marty mentions it and lo and behold, the pitcher walks like the next batter? Marty, keep it on the QT!

Reds Nd2
04-23-2006, 09:18 PM
I'd wager that Marvin Lewis would have played it conservatively. ;) Am I crazy for thinking that he threw 120 pitches, not 111? MLB.com says he threw 120.

ESPN.com showing him at 120 too, but your still crazy. ;)

RedsMan3203
04-23-2006, 09:28 PM
Did anyone else notice that this was the second time a Reds pitcher was cruising along with no walks when Marty mentions it and lo and behold, the pitcher walks like the next batter? Marty, keep it on the QT!


I was on my 15 min break and walked out to the car to get a score update.

Its 8-0 and Marty goes... Well the Reds lead the Brewers 8-0 and Harrang and been cruising all day... No walks, Not Strikeouts... The defense behind him has been playing outstanding... even that young man at 3rd Base Edwin...

Marty then goes - Harrang gives up a 4 pitch walk... And then he throws 2 more ball and the pitchin coach comes out.. ect..

I found it funny.

Falls City Beer
04-23-2006, 09:36 PM
I was on my 15 min break and walked out to the car to get a score update.

Its 8-0 and Marty goes... Well the Reds lead the Brewers 8-0 and Harrang and been cruising all day... No walks, Not Strikeouts... The defense behind him has been playing outstanding... even that young man at 3rd Base Edwin...

Marty then goes - Harrang gives up a 4 pitch walk... And then he throws 2 more ball and the pitchin coach comes out.. ect..

I found it funny.

Honestly, when Griffey's not in the outfield, there's very little to complain about vis. the defense. Everyone else is passable to good.

MaineRed
04-23-2006, 09:59 PM
THe Reds bullpen has had to pitch 6 innings in a game once this year, so suggesting that they have to do it 60% of the time isn't really instructive.

I was exaggerating. Didn't mean any harm.

My point was that the Reds bullpen, based on what we have seen, despite their great start is going to be, and has been taxed this season. So IMO when you get a shot to give the group a day off, you take it, especially when your starter isn't even breaking a sweat.

I listened to the early parts of the game and then saw the last 3 on TV and Harrang, though he gave up some hits in the later innings was basically just playing catch with Larue. He wasn't exactly throwing 5 breaking balls to each hitter. It was one of those games where there never comes a reason to get someone up in the bullpen and then the next thing you know, the game is over.

I believe these type of performances are just what the Reds need. The bullpen can stink up the joint but if the Reds keep getting stopper performances from TWO pitchers, the losing streaks are going to be kept to a minimum. And the with the Reds ability to bail out bad pitching from time to time they might just be able to hang around in a weak NL.

Heath
04-23-2006, 10:15 PM
BTW - If the playoffs started tommorrow - the Reds are Wild Card bound.

But, they don't.

redsmetz
04-24-2006, 08:47 AM
The Milwaukee paper's take on yesterday's game. That headline could work for the Reds, as can the later comment about the Jekyl & Hyde nature of the Brewers ball club. I've also highlighted a comment from Davis that I thought Redzoners would appreciate.


Davis walks on the wild side
He can't find plate in ugly outing
By TOM HAUDRICOURT
thaudricourt@journalsentinel.com
Posted: April 23, 2006
Will the real Milwaukee Brewers step forward and be identified?

A day after playing one of the most glorious games in franchise history, the Brewers turned in a real stinker Sunday afternoon at Miller Park. The Cincinnati Reds returned the favor of that 11-0 pounding the previous day by whipping the Brewers by the same score to take three of four games in the series.

Believe it or not, the game was uglier than the score indicated.

"Every day is a different day," said manager Ned Yost, whose team is 4-10 since its 5-0 start. "These guys are all professionals. They've got a real good ability to forget what happened yesterday, good or bad."

That short memory should come in handy after a game in which Cincinnati starter Aaron Harang tossed a commanding five-hitter and the Brewers' pitching staff walked 13 hitters, one off the club record, and hit three others. Of the 210 pitchers thrown by five Milwaukee pitchers, 97 (46%) eluded the strike zone.

Starting pitcher Doug Davis set the tone by walking the ballpark. OK, he actually only walked a career-high nine hitters, but why quibble? It was an exercise in tedium by the veteran lefty, who needed 113 pitches to get through five innings, after which the Brewers miraculously trailed by only 3-0.

It was the second consecutive awful outing for Davis, who was hammered for nine runs in 2 2/3 innings by Houston in his previous start. Through five starts, he is 0-2 with a 7.66 earned run average, with a whopping 21 walks in 24 2/3 innings.

Afterward, Yost said Davis was working through some mechanical issues that prevented him from repeating his delivery. A puzzled Davis indicated that he needed to look at the videotape of the game for answers to his control problems.

"I'll go through it and see what it is," he said. "There's a lot to work on, obviously. I might be trying too hard, trying to make the perfect pitch. I'm at my best when I pitch to contact.

"I go from getting pounded (in Houston) to not throwing strikes. I definitely did pick (at the corners of the plate). It's something I can work out. I've been through this before. (But) this is a little extreme."

If not for a couple of stellar plays by his defense, it would have been much worse for Davis. He walked four consecutive hitters to force in a run in the third inning but with the bases loaded and two outs, shortstop Bill Hall went deep in the hole to field Brandon Phillips' grounder, then wheeled and fired to first to end the inning.

In the fourth inning, during which Davis walked another hitter and committed a throwing error, Rich Aurilia sent a sinking liner to center with runners on second and third and two down. Brady Clark charged in and fielded the ball just before it touched grass, preventing a two-run single.

Not that pitching was the Brewers' only problem. One day after matching a major-league record with five home runs in one inning and collecting 13 hits, the offense was a no-show against Harang, who was pitching on short rest after scheduled starter Eric Milton came down with a bum knee.

The Brewers hit into some tough luck in the second inning and never recovered. With one down and one on, Rickie Weeks lined into an out that almost tore the glove off Phillips' hand at second base.

When Corey Koskie doubled off the glove of diving third baseman Edwin Encarnacion to put runners on second and third, the Reds intentionally walked Damian Miller - the hero Saturday with three doubles and a homer - to load the bases. Davis almost foiled the strategy with a liner toward right but Phillips made a leaping catch to rob him and Harang never was threatened again.

It was a continuation of erratic play by the Brewers, who depending on the day you catch them, either look like world beaters or the Kansas City Royals. With three more errors for a total of 18 in 19 games, their stated focus on improving a porous defense has been a noticeable failure to this point.

"That's the way it is with young teams," Yost sid. "Until they jell as a club, you're going to have inconsistency. The longer we go, the better we're going to play."

But are the Brewers really that young? On Sunday, the only inexperienced players on the field were first baseman Prince Fielder and Weeks, who committed his fifth error at second base.

On a side note, this Retro Sunday thing is not going so well. In two games wearing the old-style uniforms, the Brewers have been outscored, 18-0.

The players do understand that "retro" means going back farther than 2002, don't they?

"I'm real superstitious," Yost said. "Somehow, I don't believe it's the uniform."

Heath
04-24-2006, 08:57 AM
Doug Davis has drank the DanO kool-aid. Dude has some type of wizardry, I tell ya.