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Krusty
04-25-2006, 01:20 PM
Something to chew on:

Florida trades LHP Dontrelle Willis for RHP Homer Bailey, OF Chris Denorifa and RHP Elizardo Ramirez.

If you're both teams, would you do it?

westofyou
04-25-2006, 01:23 PM
If the Reds sent a gun with the three players the Marlins GM would shoot himself in the head after he came down.

pedro
04-25-2006, 01:25 PM
that's an incredibly lopsided trade.

BoCcc2832
04-25-2006, 01:26 PM
Maybe the Marlins would do it because they would be getting three young prospects, with the potential of Homer Bailey being the number one pitcher the Marlins would be losing in Willis. However, if I'm Krivsky, there's no way I would do it. With Junior, Mercker, Weathers, and Hatteberg getting older, you must surround the team with young prospects, especially Bailey and Ramirez. No deal.

guttle11
04-25-2006, 01:27 PM
From a Reds perspective, no. Homer Bailey has #1 type stuff, Denorfia could be a very solid OFer, and Lizard has the stuff to be a Harang type pitcher down the road.

I look at it as the Reds potentially trading 30-35 wins for 18-22 in a couple of years. I say no.

Krusty
04-25-2006, 01:28 PM
If the Reds sent a gun with the three players the Marlins GM would shoot himself in the head after he came down.

Such violence WOY! I see you must be watching the Sopranos.

Anyways, if Krivsky could acquire Willis without gutting the roster, this franchise could generate more excitement that hasn't been seen since 1999. Willis would give the club the frontline starter to go with Harang and Arroyo......something this club hasn't seen in a long time.

Patrick Bateman
04-25-2006, 01:32 PM
No way the Fish do this, and no way the Reds turn it down.

Bailey's chances of becoming a #1 pitcher is about 1 in a hundred. If the Fish are giving up Willis they need a much safer return meaning a better chance of getting a future ace for him.

Denorfia's a nice player but he's no Dontrelle, and Lizard is still a very fringe prospect at this point.

MattyHo4Life
04-25-2006, 01:37 PM
From a Reds perspective, no. Homer Bailey has #1 type stuff.

There have been a lot of pitchers with #1 stuff that never even came close to their potential. Willis IS a #1 Starter, and that is worth a lot more than a prospect that may be a #1 starter in the future if everything goes right. Bpttom line is teams would pay a lot more than that offer to get a pitcher with the porven success of Willis.

indyred
04-25-2006, 01:38 PM
how many years till d train hits total free agency.........i'd want him locked up for few years......if he is at a decent price.....i'm all for this kind of deal....Willis has shown he is #1 type pitcher and he's young......not many of those guys around.....i agree with Austin K here.........no way the Reds would turn down this deal, if D train is locked up awhile..........

IslandRed
04-25-2006, 01:45 PM
I'd do it if I was the Reds, sure. Willis is the type of pitcher Bailey will be if he's lucky, I don't think Ramirez is anything special, and while I like Denorfia, he's replaceable.

From the Marlins' perspective, probably not, unless they decide Willis has to go and that's the best offer on the table, and I doubt it would be if they actively shop him.

guttle11
04-25-2006, 01:48 PM
There have been a lot of pitchers with #1 stuff that never even came close to their potential. Willis IS a #1 Starter, and that is worth a lot more than a prospect that may be a #1 starter in the future if everything goes right. Bpttom line is teams would pay a lot more than that offer to get a pitcher with the porven success of Willis.

Maybe so, then I'd let them. I think Bailey is a 18-22 game winner for the Reds and Lizard could just as well win 10-15 games a year. That's 28-37 wins against the 18-22 Willis will give you.

To me, there's no question.

westofyou
04-25-2006, 01:51 PM
Maybe so, then I'd let them. I think Bailey is a 18-22 game winner for the Reds and Lizard could just as well win 10-15 games a year. That's 28-37 wins against the 18-22 Willis will give you.

To me, there's no question.
18-22 eh?

Most since in the last 35 years.... doesn't look like a sure thing.


WINS YEAR W
1 Danny Jackson 1988 23
T2 Tom Browning 1985 20
T2 Jim Merritt 1970 20
T4 Jack Billingham 1973 19
T4 Jack Billingham 1974 19
T6 Mario Soto 1984 18
T6 Don Gullett 1973 18
T6 Pete Schourek 1995 18
T6 Tom Browning 1988 18
T6 Gary Nolan 1970 18

guttle11
04-25-2006, 01:59 PM
18-22 eh?

Most since in the last 35 years.... doesn't look like a sure thing.


WINS YEAR W
1 Danny Jackson 1988 23
T2 Tom Browning 1985 20
T2 Jim Merritt 1970 20
T4 Jack Billingham 1973 19
T4 Jack Billingham 1974 19
T6 Mario Soto 1984 18
T6 Don Gullett 1973 18
T6 Pete Schourek 1995 18
T6 Tom Browning 1988 18
T6 Gary Nolan 1970 18

I didn't say it was a sure thing, because it's not. From what I have seen of Bailey, I'd liken him to Kerry Wood with good mechanics. Hard fastball and a great curve. He has the ability to become an 18-22 game winner. More so than any Reds pitching prospect since Browning, probably.

pedro
04-25-2006, 02:04 PM
Tell me about it when Bailey has actually accomplished something.

WVRed
04-25-2006, 02:14 PM
Would I? Yes.

Would Florida? If you mean laugh in our face, then yes.

Add Edwin Encarnacion to the mix and you might have a deal.

44Magnum
04-25-2006, 02:40 PM
I'd do the trade in a heart beat.

toledodan
04-25-2006, 02:49 PM
i would make that trade but florida would have a laugh fest.

flyer85
04-25-2006, 02:54 PM
Would I? Yes.

Would Florida? If you mean laugh in our face, then yes.
I'd say that pretty well covers it. Plus Florida is looking for major league ready position players(especially OFs), not more pitching.

I could see Dontrelle Willis ending up in Arizona or with the Angels.

KronoRed
04-25-2006, 03:32 PM
Tell me about it when Bailey has actually accomplished something.
He hasn't torn anything yet ;)

NewEraReds
04-25-2006, 04:59 PM
Something to chew on:

Florida trades LHP Dontrelle Willis for RHP Homer Bailey, OF Chris Denorifa and RHP Elizardo Ramirez.

If you're both teams, would you do it?
no, but only cause im not as high on willis as others. i dont think he will be worth what he will be payed.

CTA513
04-25-2006, 05:06 PM
I think it would only be worth doing the trade if Willis would be willing to agree on a contract extention.

IslandRed
04-25-2006, 07:20 PM
I think it would only be worth doing the trade if Willis would be willing to agree on a contract extention.

We wouldn't need an extension, per se. Willis came into the year with slightly less than three years of service time so under current rules he can't go free agent until after 2009. But he's arbitration-eligible so whoever gets him, if he's traded, would do well to set up a multi-year deal to get some cost certainty.

MattyHo4Life
04-25-2006, 11:03 PM
I think it would only be worth doing the trade if Willis would be willing to agree on a contract extention.

This is always the condition given on message boards when discussing trades, but how often do players agree to contract extensions so that a trade can go through? I can't remember an instance where it has happened. The player has no reason to agree to a contract extension. They hold all the cards.

Topcat
04-25-2006, 11:12 PM
Sorry but if this trade was offered I jump on it and giggle that the marlins orginization is on the crack pipe.

Patrick Bateman
04-25-2006, 11:26 PM
This is always the condition given on message boards when discussing trades, but how often do players agree to contract extensions so that a trade can go through?

Hey, on the board you can do the ole' sign and trade.

You can do trades that may appear unrealistic but the other GM will do it simply becasue he is stupid.

So don't say we can do the ole' trade and sign. Just becasue it doesn't happen in real life doesn't mean it can't happen on the board.

Hey I just got us Pujols for Aurilia and Pujols is deferring salary. So there.

Newman4
04-25-2006, 11:31 PM
I would think more realistically would be something like Encarnacion, Bailey and Felipe Lopez for Willis would be what it takes to pry him away from the Marlins. Now, would anyone do that?

flyer85
04-25-2006, 11:34 PM
I would think more realistically would be something like Encarnacion, Bailey and Felipe Lopez for Willis would be what it takes to pry him away from the Marlins. Now, would anyone do that?no

Topcat
04-25-2006, 11:37 PM
If ramirez and olson are coming yes I take it, pick up 2 starters and most importantly Ramirez is a non Boras client.

TOBTTReds
04-26-2006, 01:16 PM
My friend just called me and said he saw a rumor in the Enquirer that the Reds might trade Encarnacion and Kearns, for Willis and Cabrera. This is the most ridiculously uneven trade I've ever heard of. Anyone see this? I couldn't find it on their website. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the Cincy Enquirer wrote this, but it is too good to be true.

MattyHo4Life
04-26-2006, 01:18 PM
My friend just called me and said he saw a rumor in the Enquirer that the Reds might trade Encarnacion and Kearns, for Willis and Cabrera. This is the most ridiculously uneven trade I've ever heard of. Anyone see this? I couldn't find it on their website. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if the Cincy Enquirer wrote this, but it is too good to be true.

You are exactly right...






















That is too good to be true. :)