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Reds Fanatic
05-02-2006, 11:41 AM
Starting Lineups:


Cardinals (17 - 9)
2nd in NL Central
Reds (18 - 8)
1st in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. D Eckstein, SS .314 1 6 2
2. J Gall, LF .250 0 0 0
3. H Luna, 3B .356 1 6 2
4. J Encarnacion, RF .223 3 8 1
5. S Spiezio, 1B .275 2 9 0
6. S Taguchi, CF .274 0 6 2
7. Y Molina, C .146 0 7 0
8. A Miles, 2B .278 0 5 1
9. S Ponson, P .250 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, CF .272 0 4 8
2. F Lopez, SS .262 3 12 9
3. A Dunn, LF .264 9 17 0
4. E Encarnacion, 3B .301 3 24 0
5. S Hatteberg, 1B .305 1 4 0
6. A Kearns, RF .299 5 19 2
7. B Phillips, 2B .343 3 23 3
8. J LaRue, C .227 0 1 0
9. D Williams, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
S Ponson 3 0 3.13 1.30 9

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
D Williams 1 2 9.53 2.24 7

PickOff
05-02-2006, 11:43 AM
Good lineup today. :thumbup:

pedro
05-02-2006, 11:43 AM
That St. Louis lineup is a joke right?

timmario66
05-02-2006, 11:44 AM
No Pujols:beerme: :) :D :laugh:

jmbraun773
05-02-2006, 11:45 AM
I like not seeing Pujols and Edmonds in there

vaticanplum
05-02-2006, 11:45 AM
Holy crap, what time is the game today? (must...pay...attention)

Where is Pujols? Is he too distraught after last night to play? Did Grande elope with Edmonds?

membengal
05-02-2006, 11:46 AM
Really???? No Pujols and Edmonds????

WTF?

Wow.

Reds Fanatic
05-02-2006, 11:46 AM
It is unbelievable Pujols is not playing. Lifetime he has hit .368 with 3 homers against Williams.

Reds Fanatic
05-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Holy crap, what time is the game today? (must...pay...attention)

Where is Pujols? Is he too distraught after last night to play? Did Grande elope with Edmonds?
12:35 start time.

RedFanAlways1966
05-02-2006, 11:48 AM
Really???? No Pujols and Edmonds????

WTF?

Wow.

Well... at least the pitcher is batting 9th. :evil:

RedsManRick
05-02-2006, 11:48 AM
It is unbelievable Pujols is not playing. Lifetime he has hit .368 with 3 homers against Williams.

Who doesn't?

BRM
05-02-2006, 11:49 AM
Hatteberg has a .333/.405/.455 line in 33 at-bats from the 5 hole this season. He's managed one RBI with that line in that slot.

pedro
05-02-2006, 11:51 AM
Well if Williams gets clobbered today against the Memphis Redbirds I say throw him overboard like the Pirate he is.

jesusfan
05-02-2006, 11:51 AM
Wow, that shows LaRussa is not worried about the early part of the season that much, a game of this magnitude and he rest's their 2 best players...

MattyHo4Life
05-02-2006, 11:55 AM
I like not seeing Pujols and Edmonds in there

LaRussa usually gives most of the regulars the day off on day games following night games. Pujols usually plays though. Edmonds and Rolen would almost always get this day off.

M2
05-02-2006, 11:56 AM
Well if Williams gets clobbered today against the Memphis Redbirds I say throw him overboard like the Pirate he is.

Keelhaul him

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 11:58 AM
The only explanation for the Cards lineup is that LaRussa wants to see Williams stay in the NL a little longer.

Chip R
05-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Would this StL lineup be exhibit 1 in the effect of no greenies this year?

Puffy
05-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Hatteberg has a .333/.405/.455 line in 33 at-bats from the 5 hole this season. He's managed one RBI with that line in that slot.

That is just amazing.

Puffy
05-02-2006, 11:59 AM
The only explanation for the Cards lineup is that LaRussa wants to see Williams stay in the NL a little longer.

Nah, Williams can still give up 5 ER in 6 innings to this lineup. No problem.

boobhat
05-02-2006, 12:00 PM
maybe dave williams is a day person

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:02 PM
maybe dave williams is a day person

It doesn't explain the arse-whuppin' Dave took from the Cards two weekends ago.

LincolnparkRed
05-02-2006, 12:02 PM
maybe dave williams is a day person

Maybe a weekday person,both of his losses were on the weekends

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:02 PM
I like not seeing Pujols and Edmonds in there
Scene in the Cards clubhouse
Larussa to Mcrae - "it doesn't matter who we play, anyone can hit Williams. I can't beleive people bought that crap that I thought he was a good pitcher."

Larussa cackles and walks away.

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Good Lord, we give the Cards a gimme and they short putt it... nice.

redsmetz
05-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Okay, I'm tapping my ruby slippers together and wishing for a no-hitter from Dave today.






Hey, I can dream can't I? :jump:

Kc61
05-02-2006, 12:04 PM
Has there ever before been a major league game with both cleanup hitters named Encarnacion?

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:05 PM
Maybe Larussa's secret awe of Dave Williams has affected his decision-making skills.

redsrule2500
05-02-2006, 12:05 PM
I thought someone said that all games in may were on TV??

pedro
05-02-2006, 12:06 PM
SH has only had 10 AB's this year with runners in scoring position.

Brandon Phillips OTOH has had 26 already.

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 12:07 PM
I thought someone said that all games in may were on TV??

FSN Ohio didn't pick up the weekday games that start at 12:35. All the rest are on. FSNMW is televising the game. So if you have MLB Extra Innings you can watch it. Channel 626 on DISH.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:07 PM
SH has only had 10 AB's this year with runners in scoring position.

Brandon Phillips OTOH has had 26 already.Obviously Hatteberg is doing something wrong.

BRM
05-02-2006, 12:09 PM
SH has only had 10 AB's this year with runners in scoring position.

Brandon Phillips OTOH has had 26 already.

Good catch. I didn't notice that when I looked up his numbers. He hasn't had many RBI opportunities.

pedro
05-02-2006, 12:11 PM
Good catch. I didn't notice that when I looked up his numbers. He hasn't had many RBI opportunities.

The bottom of the lineup OTOH is getting a ton of opportunities and they are raking right now.

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:13 PM
Okay, FCB's turn to be crabby granny. I was wondering if a sticky could be created for a separate thread dealing with cable/satellite questions. There's a high, high volume of said posts within game threads asking, invariably, the same or the same kinds of questions related to TV/game issues. It wouldn't be a problem for me personally if it wasn't the exact same questions/gripes over and over and over. I think this issue needs a sticky or a FAQ.

I know some of you get sick of hearing about Rich or Womack, but personally, I'm downright tin-eared from the constant moaning about MLB TV, satellite, black outs and everything else technology-related and not, ultimately, game-related.

traderumor
05-02-2006, 12:13 PM
man, that is a boone sunday special if you ever saw one from the Cards. I know 10 people have already mentioned it, but goodness that's bad (guaranteeing 10 runs of output). The funny thing is, The Cards are really going to need for their pitching to live up to the billing. Their lineup just isn't very good over the long haul and you have to figure Pujols is done seeing much to hit until the rest of the lineup shows they can consistently do damage.

Cigar2
05-02-2006, 12:14 PM
FSN Ohio didn't pick up the weekday games that start at 12:35. All the rest are on. FSNMW is televising the game. So if you have MLB Extra Innings you can watch it. Channel 626 on DISH.

Or if your like me and have Foxsport Midwest. They have the game.

Clemson
05-02-2006, 12:15 PM
This makes sense from larussa's point of view. if he gives the reds a win today with williams, they might be more inclined to keep him in the rotation for a while. larussa is sacrificing the short term for a much more long term advantage :)

CTA513
05-02-2006, 12:18 PM
Williams better not be walking people when hes facing a line up with out Pujols, Rolen or Edmonds.

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:19 PM
Williams better not be walking people when hes facing a line up with out Pujols, Rolen or Edmonds.

I honestly don't believe Williams has that kind of control of his pitches.

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 12:20 PM
I caught the end of it, and really don't have any real information, but the Cards announcers were just finishing up talking about if the Cards could SURVIVE him going down......not sure who HIM is, but looking at the line up, I am wondering if it is Pujols.

More later on....

BrooklynRedz
05-02-2006, 12:22 PM
Pujols scratched with a bad back.

Puffy
05-02-2006, 12:22 PM
SH has only had 10 AB's this year with runners in scoring position.

Brandon Phillips OTOH has had 26 already.

Yes - but shouldn't first base, thoertically, be scoring position for your 5th place hitter (at least some of the time)?? I mean Dunn is batting ahead of him and has an OBP over .400 so I'd like my number 5 hitter to drive him in once in awhile at least.

Don't get me wrong, Hatteberg is what he is, and his base hits and walks have helped this team a ton. But I wanted it pointed out that as well as he is playing people should not view him as a long term solution. And I guarantee some on here look at the BA and the OBP and view him as just that (in a platoon, but still, as a solution)

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 12:24 PM
Pujols scratched with a bad back.

Good news for the Reds.:) Not good news for my fantasy team.:(

toledodan
05-02-2006, 12:24 PM
if williams can't shut down the line up without those 3 he needs sent down.

pedro
05-02-2006, 12:26 PM
True, but even if he was a HR hitter he wouldn't have that many RBI with so few opportunities.

Not that I am advocating SH as a long term solution for anything.

BRM
05-02-2006, 12:28 PM
SH has 23 AB's with runners on and 36 AB's with the bases empty. Brandon Phillips has 38 AB's with runners on and 29 with the bases empty.

redsmetz
05-02-2006, 12:30 PM
Has there ever before been a major league game with both cleanup hitters named Encarnacion?

Nope. The only years it could have happened were last year and 1997 the year Juan made his debut with Detroit. While Juan appeared in a game in September against the Angels with Angelo Encarnacion, neither was in the clean-up spot. It doesn't look like Juan or Eddie played in the same game last year, nor that Encarnacion batted in that spot during any of those games. Good question though.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:31 PM
Hatteberg isn't going to drive in many from 1st or drive himself in either. He is a slap hitting, extremely slow poor fielding first basemen who walks a fair amount. However, his extremely slow speed and propensity for hitting in DPs negate a lot of his decent OBP.

BRM
05-02-2006, 12:34 PM
However, his extremely slow speed and propensity for hitting in DPs negate a lot of his decent OBP.

He has scored only 7 runs.

Matt700wlw
05-02-2006, 12:37 PM
Williams may have just pitched his fastest pitch of the game.....85 mph to start it off

boobhat
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
warm up belisle

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
How hard can Adam Dunn try to back up and GIVE Ekstein a gift hit?

6-4-3
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Here we go ughhhhhh

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
St. Louis announcers comment on Dunn's non-aggresive approach in the field.

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Any PBP today would be greatly appreciated. I'm stuck at work and can't listen to the game.

BRM
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
warm up belisle

He needed to be warming up right alongside Williams prior to the game.

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Dave Williams is the suck.

Caveat Emperor
05-02-2006, 12:38 PM
Get Belisle throwing.

Now.

PuffyPig
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
Pujols sitting is the only real surprise in the Cards lineup. Rolen is injured, Edmonds is not hitting and sitting lots against LH pitching.

With Rolen hurting and Edmonds not hitting yet, the Cards lineup certainly doesn't look as good as in past years.

But any hitter with a bat is dangerous.

pedro
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
mlb audio not working again.

traderumor
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
you know what they say, gotta get to the good ones early, or you don't get them at all...oh yea, this is williams...never mind

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
1st and 2nd 1 out

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:39 PM
But any hitter with a bat is dangerous.

Correction: But any hitter with a bat against Dave Williams is dangerous

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Dunn makes good play catched ball hit in gap.

Gandalf the Red
05-02-2006, 12:40 PM
To paraphrase a favorite movie:

"Young Dave Williams strides to the mound. Alaskan farmboy. Blazing left-handed speed. The Reds' organization can expect good things from this young man. They say he's got the best fastball in the major leagues this year..." ;)

redsmetz
05-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Marty just asked the Encarnacion clean up question and then Adam made that spectacular play.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:40 PM
nice catch by Dunn

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Adam Dunn is a FIRST BASEMAN or a DH.....get used to it.....yuch!

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:40 PM
Spezio base hit Eck scores

PuffyPig
05-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Correction: But any hitter with a bat against Dave Williams is dangerous
Further correction: But any hitter with a bat against Dave Williams is especially dangerous.

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 12:41 PM
They are slapping Williams everywhere :(

Matt700wlw
05-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Williams isn't fooling a soul.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Dave Williams should retire after giving the a run on three hits this team in the first inning.

CincyReds2003
05-02-2006, 12:41 PM
Hopefully, Williams is the odd man out when Milton comes back..

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Cardinals spring training line-up taking Dave Williams to task.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Fly out to freel 1-0 birds reds coming up

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Williams is painful to watch

boobhat
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
dave williams = jimmy anderson

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Further correction: But any hitter with a bat against Dave Williams is especially dangerous.
Even further correction: But any 5 yr old girl with a bat against Dave Williams is especially dangerous.

Puffy
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Further correction: But any hitter with a bat against Dave Williams is especially dangerous.

I would have used extremely dangerous, but especially will do fine

Caveat Emperor
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
How Dave Williams ever made it through multiple levels of the minor leagues without someone realizing "Wow, this guy is awful..." is beyond me.

A mystery for a later date -- back to studying Bankruptcy.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:42 PM
Memphis ripped balls all over the field that inning. It could easily have been 3-4 runs and still batting.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 12:43 PM
I'll take 1 run instead 3.

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 12:43 PM
Hopefully, Williams is the odd man out when Milton comes back..

Maybe Griffey will be activated tomorrow and Williams cut!

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:43 PM
Hopefully, Williams is the odd man out when Milton comes back..I could live with it happening before then

6-4-3
05-02-2006, 12:43 PM
It's ridiculous if this Cards lineup continues this trend for the whole game.

RedFanAlways1966
05-02-2006, 12:44 PM
Only 1 ER in the first... that lowers Dave Williams' ERA. Sad, but true. :thumbdown

Puffy
05-02-2006, 12:44 PM
I warned all you people who stated Williams couldn't be any worse than what we had last year. Williams is exactly what we had last year and why the Casey trade was so horrible. Because trading Casey for Williams means you have to actually pitch Williams to justify the trade at least slightly and this is what you get.

Gandalf the Red
05-02-2006, 12:44 PM
I'm thinking Joe Nuxhall could produce Arroyo-like results batting against Dave Williams.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:44 PM
freel flies out to rf 1 out

Caveat Emperor
05-02-2006, 12:45 PM
I'll take 1 run instead 3.

I'll take a mallet to someone's head if they don't demote this ham and egger back to Louisville. It's simply not possible that Justin Germano is worse than this guy.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 12:45 PM
Looks like there's a little animal growing on Spiezio's face.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 12:45 PM
I warned all you people who stated Williams couldn't be any worse than what we had last year. Williams is exactly what we had last year and why the Casey trade was so horrible. Because trading Casey for Williams means you have to actually pitch Williams to justify the trade at least slightly and this is what you get.

For the umpteenth time,salary dump.

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:45 PM
Hopefully when Milton comes back it will be like a doppelganger story and they'll kill each other.

Blessed deliverance.

Matt700wlw
05-02-2006, 12:45 PM
I warned all you people who stated Williams couldn't be any worse than what we had last year. Williams is exactly what we had last year and why the Casey trade was so horrible. Because trading Casey for Williams means you have to actually pitch Williams to justify the trade at least slightly and this is what you get.

Serious question....how did Williams win 10 games for the god-awful Pirates last season? That one baffles me

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:45 PM
Freel is struggling with the bat of late. Needs to pick it up.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
I warned all you people who stated Williams couldn't be any worse than what we had last year. Williams is exactly what we had last year and why the Casey trade was so horrible. Because trading Casey for Williams means you have to actually pitch Williams to justify the trade at least slightly and this is what you get.hopefuly since iit wasn't a WK trade he won't give Williams any more rope.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
Lopez strikes out on an awful pitch

DoogMinAmo
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
I'll take a mallet to someone's head if they don't demote this ham and egger back to Louisville. It's simply not possible that Justin Germano is worse than this guy.

Richard from Indian Hill?

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
Lopez strikes out on an awful pitch
Stupid audio feed is slower than your PBP...

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
PBP

Esktein hits a flare to LF which Dunn refuses to catch.....single.
Gall lines a single to RF.....1st and second 0 outs.
Luna flies out to Dunn
Encarncion hits one to left center that Dunn runs down. 1st and 2nd 2 outs.
Spezio flares a single to right center, Ekstein scores 1-0 Cards.
Taguchi flies out to Freel.

EOI

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
DUnn grounds out to 2nd. Reds not taking many pitches. Cards up 1-0 aft. one

boobhat
05-02-2006, 12:46 PM
trade dave williams and a minor leaguer for jimmy haynes

smith288
05-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Wow guys...way to get Ponson to work out there. :rolleyes:

membengal
05-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Could the Reds maybe take a pitch or two...what's the hurry? Goodness, not like they have been at the plate of late.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:47 PM
Ponson looked to have the sinker working. The Reds will need to be patient and wait for him to bring the ball up.

CTA513
05-02-2006, 12:48 PM
trade dave williams and a minor leaguer for jimmy haynes

Williams doesnt make much, so they could afford to cut him if they wanted to.

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 12:48 PM
Narron better settle down the boys. Playing way to relaxed and anxious.

Only 7 pitches for ponson to get through our 1.2.3 hitters.

Time to settle down and play like we have inthe first 26 GAMES or we WILL LOSE this game.

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 12:48 PM
PBP

1-2-3 for Ponson on about 6 pitches.

I missed the first two outs, but I think it was 3 GB's.

TRF
05-02-2006, 12:48 PM
I'll take a mallet to someone's head if they don't demote this ham and egger back to Louisville. It's simply not possible that Justin Germano is worse than this guy.

It's not possible that Dumatrait is worse. Or Calvin Medlock.

Dave Williams is awful, and needs to be Womacked.

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:49 PM
I think Dave Williams has options left.

:pray:

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:49 PM
Last 8 games for starters.. 7-1 era under 3.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 12:49 PM
I hope the boys can jump on that doughboy Ponson soon.

vaticanplum
05-02-2006, 12:49 PM
There is now a pitcher on the Reds' roster in whom I have less faith than Eric Milton.

Will wonders never cease.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Dave Williams walks Molina and his .338 OPS. He should be pulled fromt the game for that. Seriously.

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Phil Dumatrait - as a hot start indicated - could end up being Brian Reithed.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
I think Dave Williams has options left.

:pray:I would choose the option of letting him pitch for someone else.

redsmetz
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
I think Dave Williams has options left.

:pray:

I believe you're correct.

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Last 8 games for starters.. 7-1 era under 3.

I'll take the "over" in this one.

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
I know the impulse with Williams on the mound is to holler at the offense to keep up, but that's not very fair to the offense; Dave Williams is going to cough up huge numbers of runs no matter what the offense does. His awful performance is completely independent of the offense's.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Fly out to Freel.

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
I think if Rameriz keeps up these quality starts Williams is DEFINITLY in trouble when Milton comes back off the DL.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 12:50 PM
And we can get at least 5 innings out of Williams without too much blood being shed.

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:51 PM
I would choose the option of letting him pitch for someone else.

That's a very good option. Even Louisville.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:51 PM
Ponson to bunt.. and Bunts.... Runner to 2nd.

OldXOhio
05-02-2006, 12:51 PM
Narron better settle down the boys. Playing way to relaxed and anxious.

Only 7 pitches for ponson to get through our 1.2.3 hitters.

Time to settle down and play like we have inthe first 26 GAMES or we WILL LOSE this game.

Wow, after just an inning and it's already time to panic?

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:52 PM
who's in the booth also with Lancaster & Marty?

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 12:52 PM
Scrappy Eckstein at the plate.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:52 PM
Ground out to Phillips 1-0 cards mid 2nd

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:52 PM
Eckstien grounds out to 2nd... He stumbles out of the box.. Easy play.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:52 PM
who's in the booth also with Lancaster & Marty?Krivsky was in there

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 12:52 PM
PBP

Molina walks......Williams manages to throw one strike to a guy hitting .146.
Miles files out to Freel.
Ponson sacrifies.....Molina to 2nd.....Williams could have thrown Molina out from you to me, but goes to first instead.......
Ekstein grounds out to Phillips.....falls down getting out of the box.

1-0 Cards after 1.5

EOI

CTA513
05-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Is Williams the only pitcher on the roster that has walked more people than he struck out?

Gandalf the Red
05-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Dave Williams walks Molina and his .338 OPS. He should be pulled fromt the game for that. Seriously.

I'm thinking Dave Williams is a double agent on the payroll of all the other NL Central teams.

He needs to be subjected to a Jack Bauer-style interrogation:
"WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?! Is it the Astros? The Cubs? It's LaRussa isn't it? Who?!"

Puffy
05-02-2006, 12:53 PM
For the umpteenth time,salary dump.

For the umpteenth time, that doesn't matter. It was great to get the salary relief and the space to play the 4 (even though it didn't turn out that way it was still a good thought, late, but a good thought.

The problem is now that you have him he hurts your team. A salary dump does not get back players who make you worse just by having them. Williams makes the Reds worse. I know his numbers said league average, but in this ballpark with this defense he is Jimmy Anderson. That is the problem

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Strange--will I get to see more games in NY w/EI than people in Cincy will?

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 12:54 PM
I cant even get the ''gamelive''website today.Page wont open all the way to access radio stations.Sabotage by MLB?

vaticanplum
05-02-2006, 12:54 PM
Is Williams the only pitcher on the roster that has walked more people than he struck out?

Please someone answer this in the affirmative.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:54 PM
Edwin is up...

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:54 PM
I love that carnival music

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 12:55 PM
Williams wont be here when Wilson gets back anyways more than likely.

He is the worst one in our rotation to this point..... all we can hope for is to have a Close enough game or a lead when he leaves after 5 innings.

Limit the damage and keep pace offensivly is all we can hope for.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:55 PM
EE k's swinging on a lousy pitch

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:55 PM
Edwin goes down early 0-2, works the count back to 2-2 and then K's.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:56 PM
Williams wont be here when Wilson gets back anyways more than likely.I am not sure that will actually make the situation better.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 12:56 PM
I love when the offense makes crap like Ponson look good.

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:56 PM
Strange--will I get to see more games in NY w/EI than people in Cincy will?

Yes, because EI will show every game (or close to it) that is televised.So, if you are a Reds fan out of market, you will see every Reds game - but not necessarily have GG & the Crafty One.

My dad lives out of state - he estimates that he will see 150 or so games this year.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:56 PM
Ponson change seems to be much better than normal today

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Hatte walks

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Had Puljos played today against Williams this would be atleast a 3-0 game lol he woulda hit a 3 run shot in the 1st inning at that #3 spot.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Hatt walks.

Rotater Cuff
05-02-2006, 12:57 PM
I cant even get the ''gamelive''website today.Page wont open all the way to access radio stations.Sabotage by MLB?

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/gameTrax?gameId=260502117&refreshRate=60
has a good play by play

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 12:57 PM
The Ponson I saw throwing last weekend wasn't throwing lousy pitches. He was throwing good late-breaking stuff. The Cards will squeeze every little bit of potential out of a guy like Ponson, you can bet your arse of that.

Heath
05-02-2006, 12:57 PM
I think Hatteberg walked....but I need to check.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 12:58 PM
Yes, because EI will show every game (or close to it) that is televised.So, if you are a Reds fan out of market, you will see every Reds game - but not necessarily have GG & the Crafty One.

My dad lives out of state - he estimates that he will see 150 or so games this year.
That's so dumb because you guys are the ones more likely to buy tickets--they should want to generate interest by showing the games.

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 12:58 PM
cmon Kearns lets get something outta that walk

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:58 PM
The Ponson I saw throwing last weekend wasn't throwing lousy pitches. He was throwing good late-breaking stuff. The Cards will squeeze every little bit of potential out of a guy like Ponson, you can bet your arse of that.in his case it has never been a question of "stuff". It has been other issues that have always caused Ponson trouble.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 12:58 PM
Austin just misses one!!! Fly out to the track in left.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 12:59 PM
Kearns just misses a hanging slider.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 12:59 PM
Looks like Kearns just missed a HR.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 12:59 PM
Austin just misses one!!! Fly out to the track in left.

Ponson thought it was gone off the bat. Kearns just missed it.

BuckeyeRedleg
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
Just in case nobody's mentioned it.

This Cardinal lineup is pretty poopy. I thought the Cubs cornered the market with the poopiest lineup, but this one, man, wow! I surely don't see any Michael Barrett's out there to save the day.

Ok, back to the game.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/gameTrax?gameId=260502117&refreshRate=60
has a good play by play
Thanks but i'm talking about radio.

jesusfan
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
pick us up B-Phil!

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
Phillps grounds into a FC to SS. Hatte out at 2nd.

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
PBP bottom of the 2nd

Due up EdwinE, Hatteburg, Kearns

Ponson looks to have his good stuff.

EdwinE strikes out on a 2-2 pitch.
Hatteburg walks.....give it Hatteburg (unlike EdwinE, he doesn't swign at a ball).
Kearns flies out to the track in LF.
Phillips grounds to short.....6-4 force at second.

1-0 Cards after 2


EOI

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
BP grounds into FC 1-0 cards aft. 2

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 01:00 PM
in his case it has never been a question of "stuff". It has been other issues that have always caused Ponson trouble.

And the Cards, like the Braves, don't tolerate slovenliness and crap like that.

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 01:01 PM
You gotta love the Reds approach today of swing at everything. Obviously the patience they have displayed early on in the season has not worked, so they changed it up. :thumbdown

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:01 PM
Phillps grounds into a FC to SS. Hatte out at 2nd.

Looked like he tried to pull a ball off the plate outside. Falling in line with the other hitters today. Not being real patient so far. (Other than Hatteburg)

red-in-la
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
I was trying toi do PBP.....but my wife just informed me that she is going to doctor and I am watching my 6 year old son for the next two hours or so.....sorry.

Go Reds.....

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
What a nice 64 mph curve ball. ;)

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
And the Cards, like the Braves, don't tolerate slovenliness and crap like that.They seem to do the best job of getting the most out of a players potential. Ponson isn't just trying to fog it by hitters anymore, instead who throws that 90ish sinker and keeps the ball down.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:02 PM
Grounder to short.

Caveat Emperor
05-02-2006, 01:03 PM
The Cards will squeeze every little bit of potential out of a guy like Ponson, you can bet your arse of that.

Apparently, he really likes it in St. Louis and has even bought a place to there live in the off-season:

http://image.pegs.com/images/DI/05371/05371_E1.jpg

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:03 PM
Whoa nelly,its on tv here.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:03 PM
Luna with a single to left. 1 on, 1 out.

Matt700wlw
05-02-2006, 01:03 PM
You gotta love the Reds approach today of swing at everything. Obviously the patience they have displayed early on in the season has not worked, so they changed it up. :thumbdown

Maybe they have an early flight :D :p: ;)

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Luna rips a single past short. 1 out.

pedro
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
I cant even get the ''gamelive''website today.Page wont open all the way to access radio stations.Sabotage by MLB?

the gameday audio is working for me now.

they must have server issues b/c everytime I send them a nasty gram email it seems to clear up w/in an inning or so.

OldXOhio
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Williams ERA now below 9.00

Way to go Dave!!!

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Didnt look cause they never show the Reds here.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Luna tries stealing second, he's gunned down.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
Luna TRIED to steal 2nd but is gunned down.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:04 PM
looked like a bad call. That was not a good slide

Rotater Cuff
05-02-2006, 01:05 PM
And the Cards, like the Braves, don't tolerate slovenliness and crap like that.

Except for an extra 17 lbs. on Josh Hancock.

Did you see that Hudson was D.F.A?

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:05 PM
Juan E. up, 0-2, 1-2 high, He hits the next pitch out of here. 2-0 cards

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
Juan golfs another one out.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
Crap I finally get to watch a Reds game and the worst starter is pitching.

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
Except for an extra 17 lbs. on Josh Hancock.

Did you see that Hudson was D.F.A?

I said slovenliness, not weight. A difference apparently the Reds can't parse.

DoogMinAmo
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
Luna saved a run. JEnc homers.

How short is the leash with Williams today? I say 5 innings or 5 runs, whichever happens first.

GridironGrace
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
good thing they tried to steal with Luna and Larue gunned him down.

Minimized the damage lol

jesusfan
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
Please Wilson, come back soon....

RedsRock
05-02-2006, 01:06 PM
How long until Williams gets Womacked????

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
These STL Annoucers are absoulutly dogging Williams.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
HR ENCARNACION (CArds)TERRIBLE pitch call by LaRue--extensive discussion about how Encar. LOVES low fastball--Jason offers him a fat serving of it.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Williams picture has to be in the dictionary under "junkballer".

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Spiezo's up, 1-1, low 2-1, 3-1 low, he flies out to freel on the warning track;

BRM
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Please Wilson, come back soon....

Be careful what you wish for...

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Anyways, inning is over....

STL 2 - Reds 0

Falls City Beer
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Please Wilson, come back soon....

Clamoring for Wilson is like having faith in the car starting in a horror film.

jesusfan
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
You think LaRussa is changing his mind about Williams being one of the top leftys in the NL?

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 01:07 PM
Where's the PITCHING? Williams throws and blows.

pedro
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
HR ENCARNACION (CArds)TERRIBLE pitch call by LaRue--extensive discussion about how Encar. LOVES low fastball--Jason offers him a fat serving of it.

yeah, let's not blame Larue for Williams sucking.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
Please Wilson, come back soon....OUCH. There are a number of options better than Williams. I think people forget that Wilson in 2005 was even worse than Milton.

traderumor
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
You know, Encarnacion is about the only person to really hurt you in this lineup, so Williams gets lit up by him in his first two ABs. Just bounce them up there if you have to, Juan might just swing. But don't give him anything in the strike zone. If you don't have anything but slop to throw in there, at least pitch smart.

smith288
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
I think I have serious man-loathe of Williams.

With my current state of man love for Arroyo, an equal and opposite state of loathe is reserved for WIlliams

NDRed
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
NOTE TO SELF:

There is no way to catch up with reading the posts if you come into the game thread late. They type to fast. Just go to last page. My eyes hurt.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:08 PM
Crap I finally get to watch a Reds game and the worst starter is pitching.

That's a sad story.

jesusfan
05-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Name those number of options...

RBA
05-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Cards tv pbp is expecting "a shalacking" (spell)

DoogMinAmo
05-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Immediately after the homerun, Williams, who has been wild high like crazy, throws 4 low pitches. Sign of things to come?

Spiezio fly out to warning track in center... nevermind.

pedro
05-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Clamoring for Wilson is like having faith in the car starting in a horror film.

Why do lovers park down deserted lanes
Near haunted houses or homes for the insane
Like the deformed son who was locked in a shed
Later escaped when he chopped off their heads

Why do axe murderers only attack
When you're partially nude
Or you're taking a bath

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:09 PM
Is this george grande and welsh?Never heard em before.

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
yeah, let's not blame Larue for Williams sucking.
I know it's ultimately Williams call, but LaRue does not call a good game...I'd like to see him unloaded for a reliever or a decent #5

membengal
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
I think I have serious man-loathe of Williams.

With my current state of man love for Arroyo, and equal and opposite state of loathe is reserved for WIlliams

Word.

I marvel at OB, I really do. Dumping Casey's salary, fine. Bringing back dreck to infect the rotation? Less fine. I hate him.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
Is this george grande and welsh?Never heard em before.no

pedro
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
I know it's ultimately Williams call, but LaRue does not call a good game...I'd like to see him unloaded for a reliever or a decent #5

yawn.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
Larue up, swinging strike one,
1-1 outside
2-1 outside, low
grounder to third, he's out.

1 down.

edabbs44
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
DWill is a stiff.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:10 PM
LaRue grounds out to 3rd. He also fell comein out of the box.

jesusfan
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
PINCH HIT!!! lol

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
LaRue swung at balls 3 and 4 in the atbat. Looks like they are anxious to get to Colorado.

flyer85
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
if the Reds keep swinging at balls this game will be out of hand shortly

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
yawn.
:rolleyes:

smith288
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
Belisle warming up?

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
Williams is the last of the dano deadwood.Time to cut ties.

The Baumer
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
The hitters are just waving their bat over Ponson's breaking pitch, which is a ball 90% of the time. Just take those for balls and you'll walk like Hatteberg did.

Gandalf the Red
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
OUCH. There are a number of options better than Williams. I think people forget that Wilson in 2005 was even worse than Milton.

I think it's partly a matter of dollars and cents--Wilson's suckitude costs somewhat less than Milton's...and the fact that Wilson went under the knife early on last season, so we weren't stuck with a whole season of watching it.

DoogMinAmo
05-02-2006, 01:11 PM
DWill in to hit, he is atleast in there for 4 innings.

westofyou
05-02-2006, 01:12 PM
The HR was a 1-2 pitch that was down low in the zone and golfed out, how is that the catchers fault? It was a ball and the guy hit it.

smith288
05-02-2006, 01:12 PM
They arent even letting Ponson work up a sweat....they in a hurry to be somewhere?

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:12 PM
This must be Grande cause he's talking about Edmonds.

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 01:12 PM
Williams is the last of the dano deadwood.Time to cut ties.

I wouldn't say that. We still got Milton,White and Hammond. All Dano deadwood.

The Baumer
05-02-2006, 01:12 PM
DWill is putting up the best AB next to Hattebergs.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Dave Williams almost got a hit... but it went foul.

After being down 0-2 Williams worked the count to 3-2.

Then Williams chops one up the middle for a single.

1 on. 1 out.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Williams up
strike on the outside corner
foul 0-2
1-2 inside
2-2 he bounced it up there
3-2 inside
foul
he's up there hacking,
ground ball, off miles glove into CF

OnBaseMachine
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Dave Williams puts together the best atbat of the game by a Reds hitter.

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
I wouldn't say that. We still got Milton,White and Hammond. All Dano deadwood.

Oh yeah,sorry I forgot.Some hope for Milton and White though.

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Okay... Who is Arron Freel?

smith288
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
Dave "Bronson" Williams... *not*

DoogMinAmo
05-02-2006, 01:13 PM
DWill is in Ponson's head...

cumberlandreds
05-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Maybe Williams has a future as PH?

Wheelhouse
05-02-2006, 01:14 PM
C'mon lopez

RedsMan3203
05-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Freel grounds into a FC to 3rd. Williams out at 2nd.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Freel
1-1
Freel grounds to third, Williams takes out 2nd baseman to break up the double play.
2 outs

The Baumer
05-02-2006, 01:15 PM
Haha, DWill is literally causing Reds fans pain. Did you see the guy icing his face?

Jr's Boy
05-02-2006, 01:15 PM
These announcers are lame.

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:15 PM
Lopez up
foul
0-1

Gainesville Red
05-02-2006, 01:16 PM
popped it up to eck. Poop.