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Spitball
05-05-2006, 07:40 PM
The discussions revolving around WMP for Arroyo trade has me trying to remember pitcher for outfielders/first basemen in the last ten years.

In this day and age, who trades a very hard to develop commodity, starting pitchers, for a very prevalent commodity, outfielders or firstbasemen?

I can think of:
Oliver Perez and others for Brian Giles
Ricardo Rincon (reliever) for Brian Giles
Dave Burba for Sean Casey

I know there must be more, but my mind is drawing a blank. Anyone have a link to trades or not have long term memory loss?

Johnny Vander m
05-05-2006, 07:42 PM
Milt Pappas for Frank Robinson.

Gandalf the Red
05-05-2006, 07:45 PM
Dave Parker for Jose Rijo (and Tim Birtsas).

Of course, I guess you could say Rijo was more of a "project-type" at the time.

ETA: May not exactly qualify as "this day and age" depending on your perspective.

ETA part 2: Guillen for Harang and Valentine?

savafan
05-05-2006, 07:46 PM
Allow me to throw out one of the worst trades in baseball history:

January 10, 1991: Glenn Davis traded by the Houston Astros to the Baltimore Orioles for Pete Harnisch, Curt Schilling, and Steve Finley.

blumj
05-05-2006, 07:59 PM
Ted Lilly was traded for Bobby Kielty a few years ago.

Johnny Vander m
05-05-2006, 08:01 PM
Who did the Reds trade to get Bob Purkey? Also Joey Jay?

blumj
05-05-2006, 08:13 PM
Overbay was just traded for David Bush and ?

toledodan
05-05-2006, 08:20 PM
Allow me to throw out one of the worst trades in baseball history:

January 10, 1991: Glenn Davis traded by the Houston Astros to the Baltimore Orioles for Pete Harnisch, Curt Schilling, and Steve Finley.



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oneupper
05-05-2006, 10:42 PM
Well...

Billingham (p), Morgan, Geronimo, Menke and Armbrister for Lee, Helms and Stewart.

Everyone always assumes Morgan was the biggest part of that deal. At the time it was probably Billingham that Howsam was most after.

(Ok..wasn't in the last 10 years...but I can't remember those recent things anymore)

JohhnyBench1001
05-05-2006, 10:47 PM
Another Astro steal that year was Larry Anderson for..........Jeff Bagwell...ouch.

blumj
05-05-2006, 11:13 PM
Another Astro steal that year was Larry Anderson for..........Jeff Bagwell...ouch.
Thanks for bringing that one up. :bang:

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Nick Johnson and others for Javier Vazquez.

blumj
05-06-2006, 12:28 AM
Nick Johnson and others for Javier Vazquez.
Juan Rivera was part of that one, too, but El Duque came with them.

edabbs44
05-06-2006, 12:59 AM
Juan Rivera was part of that one, too, but El Duque came with them.

No El Duque...Nick, Rivera and Choate for Vazquez.

savafan
05-06-2006, 01:06 AM
I can't believe I didn't think about this before.

Sean Casey to the Pirates for Dave Williams.

I must have been trying to block that one out.

Spitball
05-06-2006, 01:49 PM
Some of you guys cheated...Pappas, Billingham, Rijo, Anderson, Harnisch, Schilling et al were more than 10 years ago. ;) I think the premium on pitchers has drastically changed in this era.

If we throw out those that were transacted due to salary concerns (Vasquez's, Casey's) and those where some pitching and more players were also involved, that leaves Lilly for Keilty and Arroyo for Pena.

Seems to me that the Reds pulled a rarity in the Arroyo/Pena deal by acquiring a starting pitcher for an outfielder. It obviously doesn't happen too often in this time in history.

KronoRed
05-06-2006, 04:00 PM
I can't believe I didn't think about this before.

Sean Casey to the Pirates for Dave Williams.

I must have been trying to block that one out.
That is if you consider Williams to be a pitcher :evil:

blumj
05-06-2006, 04:23 PM
No El Duque...Nick, Rivera and Choate for Vazquez.
Thanks, yeah, he was part of the Expos Colon trade. Compare what the Indians got for him to what the Expos got for him. Good grief!