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VR
05-05-2006, 09:29 PM
R Freel 2B .258 .411 .326
F Lopez SS .244 .318 .361
A Dunn LF .255 .414 .622
S Hatteberg 1B .308 .444 .446
E Encarnacion 3B .298 .394 .553
J Valentin C .255 .283 .373
A Kearns RF .315 .375 .528
Q McCracken CF .176 .263 .412
E Ramirez P




C Counsell SS .333 .386 .420
E Byrnes CF .292 .354 .458
C Tracy 3B .307 .352 .553
L Gonzalez LF .243 .344 .505
T Clark 1B .184 .326 .342
S Green RF .327 .371 .439
J Estrada C .286 .321 .457
O Hudson 2B .214 .289 .291
B Webb P

toledodan
05-05-2006, 09:33 PM
kearns hitting behind valentin?:eek:

Buckeye33
05-05-2006, 09:34 PM
QM over Deno?

Blah.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 09:34 PM
I do not like this lineup.

WMR
05-05-2006, 09:36 PM
Jeez Narron put in Deno... that's such a dumb decision. Let's see what the kid can do with a few consecutive games. No better time than right now.

OnBaseMachine
05-05-2006, 09:37 PM
Unreal.

Denorfia has a nice game and gets benched the next game in favor of Quinton freakin' McCracken.

Kearns has a nice game and is dropped in the lineup.

Kc61
05-05-2006, 09:38 PM
Webb, the Arizona pitcher, is very tough on right handed hitters, with a 1.35 ERA, 15 strikeouts and 2 walks. This explains the lineup, along with the need to rest Phillips who has cooled off.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 09:39 PM
Many problems with this lineup.

McCracken should be emergency insurance, Deno should get all starts possible.

oneupper
05-05-2006, 09:40 PM
Webb, the Arizona pitcher, is very tough on right handed hitters, with a 1.35 ERA, 15 strikeouts and 2 walks. This explains the lineup, along with the need to rest Phillips who has cooled off.

Narron wants to put the lefties in. The problem is not that McCracken is in the lineup...it's that he's on the roster.

WMR
05-05-2006, 09:40 PM
Unreal.

Denorfia has a nice game and gets benched the next game in favor of Quinton freakin' McCracken.

Kearns has a nice game and is dropped in the lineup.

I'd really like to hear his reasoning behind playing QM over Deno.

Why do I think I'd hear some combination of "solid, veteran, and knows how to play the game?"

As much goodwill as JN has garnered with me for the club's hot start, line-ups like this cause those feelings to dissipate quickly.

oneupper
05-05-2006, 09:41 PM
I'd really like to hear his reasoning behind playing QM over Deno.

.

Not that I agree...but it is...LEFT HANDED BAT.

WMR
05-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Not that I agree...but it is...LEFT HANDED BAT.

Umm yep you're right.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 09:43 PM
IMO Deno facing a tough rightie is better then McCracken getting any at bats at all.

oneupper
05-05-2006, 09:44 PM
IMO Deno facing a tough rightie is better then McCracken getting any at bats at all.

Agreed. And Hattie at cleanup with Ground Ball pitcher Webb on the mound has GIDP written all over it.

Cedric
05-05-2006, 09:44 PM
McCracken needs to play in certain oppurtunities if you wanna keep him on this roster. I'm not one that wants him here, but if you are gonna keep him as a key pinch hitter he needs at bats

WMR
05-05-2006, 09:45 PM
IMO Deno facing a tough rightie is better then McCracken getting any at bats at all.

No doubt. Not to mention, you couldn't create a better scenario--not that Jr. being injured is good, mind you--wherein Deno should legitimately be getting a real 'look.'

Why not give the youngster a chance to shine?

Oh well, hopefully QM will hit one out.

savafan
05-05-2006, 09:45 PM
If the Reds lose with this lineup, I'll question Narron's decisions. Right now, I trust what he's doing, even if I don't understand it.

Fullboat
05-05-2006, 09:46 PM
Well it is a homecoming for the Q.

WMR
05-05-2006, 09:47 PM
Well it is a homecoming for the Q.

Or maybe it's Senior Night???

All the Seniors (citizens?) get to start on Senior night...

RedFanAlways1966
05-05-2006, 09:49 PM
A few "quality start" tidbits as we wait for tonight's titantic struggle...

* The REDS have had 8 quality starts in their last ten games. Their team record in those 10 games is 8-2. Not whatcha might think... they won both games in which the starter did not have a quality start and lost two quality start games. Buchholz (HOU) and Francis (COL) were part of the reason for the losses in which Ramirez & Claussen had a QS go to waste. The REDS had won the last 9 games in which the REDS starter had a QS before the Ramirez loss to HOU.

* The REDS have had 6 straight quality starts from their starters. The longest streak of QS last year was 8 games (Aug. 6- Aug. 14). They also had a streak of 6 straight QS last year (Aug. 18 - Aug. 24). August 2005 was a good month for the starters... 3.84 ERA and 16 QS in 27 games.

* The REDS have 17 quality starts this year after 29 games (58.6%). The team is 14-3 when they get a QS. In 2005 the REDS had 10 QS after 29 games (34.5%). In 2004 they had 12 QS after 29 games (41.4%).

* REDS starter - Games Started - Quality Starts - QS%
> Ramirez - 2GS - 2QS - 100%
> Arroyo - 6GS - 5QS - 83.3%
> Milton - 3 GS - 2QS - 66.7%
> Harang - 7GS - 4QS - 57.1%
> Williams - 5GS - 2QS - 40.0%
> Claussen - 6GS - 2QS - 33.3%

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 09:51 PM
The reason behind the lineup...Jerry is celebrating the holiday.

http://andrew.stottsan.net/photography/images/DSC_9355.jpg

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 09:53 PM
Webb's had a .569 ops against RH hitters last year, .830 vs. LH hitters.

You need to stack the lineup with LH hitters to stand much of a chance. And I don't think that Arizona has a LH pitcher on the roster, so you can stack them.

If there's any game that McCracken should play instead of Denorfia, this would be it.

Still......

George Foster
05-05-2006, 09:54 PM
Boy, I'd like to see Brandon Webb in a Reds uniform. He's from Ashland Ky, played at Kentucky, grew up a Reds fan. Does anybody know when his contract is up? Plus he is a ground ball pitcher.

oneupper
05-05-2006, 09:56 PM
Boy, I'd like to see Brandon Webb in a Reds uniform. He's from Ashland Ky, played at Kentucky, grew up a Reds fan. Does anybody know when his contract is up? Plus he is a ground ball pitcher.

Forget Webb, he signed for 4 years before this season. Don't remember the amount but it was a steal ($11mm?). He's going to be really good for a while.

Fullboat
05-05-2006, 09:56 PM
BATTER VS. PITCHER (Career)
vs Brandon Webb
Player AB H HR BB SO AVG
Kearns 2 1 0 1 1 .500
Ross 2 1 0 0 1 .500
Olmedo 11 4 0 0 1 .364
Lopez 9 3 0 1 4 .333
Dunn 12 2 1 1 4 .167
Complete Batter vs Pitcher

BATTER VS. PITCHER (Career)
vs Elizardo Ramirez
Player AB H HR BB SO AVG
Estrada 3 1 1 0 0 .333
Clark 0 0 0 0 0 0
Counsell0 0 0 0 0 0
DaVanon 0 0 0 0 0 0
Easley 0 0 0 0 0 0
Complete Batter vs Pitcher

Surprised that Olmedo isn't in the lineup.

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 09:57 PM
Forget Webb, he signed for 4 years before this season. Don't remember the amount but it was a steal ($11mm?). He's going to be really good for a while.
Webb was (and is) years away from FA. Hence the seemingly cheap contract.

oneupper
05-05-2006, 09:58 PM
Surprised that Olmedo isn't in the lineup.

Olmedo to 2B, Freel to CF. Are you listening, Jerry?

oneupper
05-05-2006, 09:59 PM
Webb was (and is) years away from FA. Hence the seemingly cheap contract.

Sure...but the arbitration could have gotten nasty for the D-Backs. Just sayin' good move, wish we had done something like that with Harang.

Raisor
05-05-2006, 10:21 PM
20 minutes between posts, what's going on?

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 10:22 PM
20 minutes between posts, what's going on?
I grabbed a quick nap.

Late games ya know.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 10:26 PM
It looks like both Houston and St. Louis are going to win tonight. Not that that means a whole lot, but....

toledodan
05-05-2006, 10:27 PM
http://andrew.stottsan.net/photography/images/DSC_9355.jpg
YUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 10:27 PM
Looks like Pooholes' back is feeling alright.

Cedric
05-05-2006, 10:28 PM
Speaking of other division teams. Why do people always think Pittsburgh is going to be good at the beginning of the year?

And Oliver Perez is one of the worst pitchers in baseball. What a fluke year in 04.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 10:28 PM
Speaking of other division teams. Why do people always think Pittsburgh is going to be good at the beginning of the year?

And Oliver Perez is one of the worst pitchers in baseball. What a fluke year in 04.

I knew they'd suck. Look at that friggin' offense!

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 10:30 PM
I think Perez has something wrong with his arm (and his head). His velocity is way down.

BoydsOfSummer
05-05-2006, 10:30 PM
Gots me one o dem new fangled dvr/tivo thingies people are raving about. What better way to break her in than with a Red's game?

Let's go boys,pitch it where they aint!

Cedric
05-05-2006, 10:30 PM
What a retread organization. It's always the same thing for them. Overpriced, old bums. Derrick Bell to Jeremy Burnitz to Joe Randa to Kenny Lofton.

reds44
05-05-2006, 10:30 PM
Webb eats up RHP that is why Crack is in there.

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 10:31 PM
It looks like both Houston and St. Louis are going to win tonight. Not that that means a whole lot, but....

Houston up 1-0????

I wouldn't concede the game to them yet, at least I wouldn't unless I suddenly became OBM.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 10:32 PM
Houston up 1-0????

I wouldn't concede the game to them yet, at least I wouldn't unless I suddenly became OBM.

With the Houston game, I'm looking more at the match-up at this point, not the score.

TeamCasey
05-05-2006, 10:33 PM
I grabbed a quick nap.

Late games ya know.

I grabbed a shot of Jose' and a strawberry. Happy Cinco de Mayo!

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 10:34 PM
I think Perez has something wrong with his arm (and his head). His velocity is way down.
What better time to trade for him, Reds med guys would find it quick.

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 10:36 PM
With the Houston game, I'm looking more at the match-up at this point, not the score.

Vegas certainly isn't conceding the game to Houston.

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 10:36 PM
What better time to trade for him, Reds med guys would find it quick.

Yes, at one point I was really hoping they would trade Wily Mo for Perez. Pena would certainly be a better fit than Burnitz. But that was before I heard Perez had lost his velocity.

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2006, 10:37 PM
I am bye no means a big Narron backer IMO he still has something to prove to me. However starting Mc Cracken no matter what the outcome is the right move here. I just don't get why some seem to get down on guys for no reason whatsoever.

BoydsOfSummer
05-05-2006, 10:37 PM
Has anyone else's fox feed gone wacky?

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 10:39 PM
Has anyone else's fox feed gone wacky?

Do you mean George Grande wacky, or technical wacky?

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 10:39 PM
What better time to trade for him, Reds med guys would find it quick.

They'd say he had stiffness behind his elbow and he'd miss one start. Three weeks later, they'd start talking about MRIs.

GridironGrace
05-05-2006, 10:40 PM
Phillips getting the rest 2nite. Aurilia on the DL so instead of putting in Denorfia to play again 2nite we start McCracken?

hmmmm
Ah well..

GO REDS!!!!!!!!

BoydsOfSummer
05-05-2006, 10:40 PM
Technical wacky. It's a static picture of the BOB on the screen for like 7-10 minutes now. All my other channels work fine.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 10:42 PM
I am bye no means a big Narron backer IMO he still has something to prove to me. However starting McCracken no matter what the outcome is the right move here. I just don't get why some seem to get down on guys for no reason whatsoever.

I agree. I have no problem with Q getting a start tonight, especially against a guy who chews up right-handed hitters.

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 10:43 PM
Anyone see this? I guess we should concede losing at least every 5th game (DWill starting). Not that Wilson would have been a lock to be better.

Paul Wilson, who is on the DL recovering from right rotator cuff surgery, was scratched from a scheduled Sunday start for Triple-A Louisville because of shoulder fatigue.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:43 PM
Freel grounds to short.
Lopez flies to center.
Dunn up now.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:44 PM
Dunn K's looking.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 10:45 PM
Anyone see this? I guess we should concede losing at least every 5th game (DWill starting). Not that Wilson would have been a lock to be better.

Paul Wilson, who is on the DL recovering from right rotator cuff surgery, was scratched from a scheduled Sunday start for Triple-A Louisville because of shoulder fatigue.

Didn't the Reds win Williams's last start?

Gallen5862
05-05-2006, 10:46 PM
Will Shoulder fatigue mean we will soon be putting Wilson on the 60 day dl? It always seems like major injury moves made after hearing its not to bad.

GridironGrace
05-05-2006, 10:46 PM
170 HR's for Dunn in 3 1/2 Years, when he hits another one lol.

Lets just do this easy and say 150 in 3 years. IF he plays 15 Seasons of baseball keeping this pace that means he will sit on 600+ HR's going into his 16th season

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 10:47 PM
Hey! Did you know that we know Craig Counsell's story? :D

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 10:48 PM
Didn't the Reds win Williams's last start?

Randy Johnson is 5-2 with an ERA over 5. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 10:49 PM
170 HR's for Dunn in 3 1/2 Years, when he hits another one lol.

He currently is in tenth place on the Reds all-time home run list. But he has played 4 1/2 years. Dunn came up in the middle of 2001.

Chip R
05-05-2006, 10:49 PM
I agree. I have no problem with Q getting a start tonight, especially against a guy who chews up right-handed hitters.

I do not have a problem with it either. One thing to remember is that Q played for the D Backs last year so he may have a little extra incentive to play well tonight.

VR
05-05-2006, 10:49 PM
Elizardo has a smooooth delivery. Byrnes get two changes and then high heat to k.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 10:50 PM
Hey! Did you know that we know Craig Counsell's story? :D
He's scrappy and a solid vet.

reds44
05-05-2006, 10:51 PM
Good inning for the Lizard!

KySteveH
05-05-2006, 10:51 PM
This just in...Eric Byrnes is not scrappy. Instead, he plays with HEART.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:51 PM
3 up 3 down for the Lizard King.

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 10:52 PM
Anyone see this? I guess we should concede losing at least every 5th game (DWill starting).

Why concede losing everytime Willimas starts?

The Reds have a good team, and it's not just the starter who determines wins and loses.

The Reds have won his last 3 starts.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:54 PM
Well that was a botch by Clark.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 10:54 PM
That should have been an E-3.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 10:55 PM
Wilson would probably be just as bad as Williams

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:55 PM
Ed E gets hit. Doesn't act like a little brat like Kendall, who didn't even get hit.

reds44
05-05-2006, 10:55 PM
EE helping out the OBP

reds44
05-05-2006, 10:56 PM
4-6-3

EE destroyed the SS

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:56 PM
And the pitcher's best friend negates the HBP, and ends the inning. Gonna be a quick one the way these guys are throwing.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Multi-tasking!

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Multi-tasking!!!

Edit-beat me to it, ya hoser!! *hits over head with steel chair*

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 10:57 PM
Way to hit the first pitch into a casey Javier. I don't care if he bats well off righties, he should be batting no higher than 8th.

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 10:58 PM
Alllright, boys....checking in.....

Let's do this thang. Have a feeling The Lizard is going to be nails tonight!

3 coronas deep and counting on this fine Cinco De Mayo.

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2006, 10:58 PM
Gonna be a quick one the way these guys are throwing.

That's a good thing for me. I got work early in the morn'!

Mario-Rijo
05-05-2006, 10:59 PM
Way to hit the first pitch into a casey Javier. I don't care if he bats well off righties, he should be batting no higher than 8th.

Now that I agree with! Especially vs. a GB pitcher. Those cleats were made for struttin' not strollin'!

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:00 PM
Low and outside Liz!

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:01 PM
Pooo-Holes hits another homer. Anyone see that one yet?

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:02 PM
Luis Gonzales leads off with a double... flyout for the first out, with no runner advancement for fear of Austin "Cannon" Kearns

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:02 PM
Way to hit the first pitch into a casey Javier. I don't care if he bats well off righties, he should be batting no higher than 8th.

I would go with Valentin in the 7th spot tonight, with McCracken hitting 8th.

But usually you would be right.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 11:02 PM
Whoa, what happened to Shawn Green's power. His "slash" numbers look respectable, but the ball isn't leaving the yard for him. Only 2 homers? Didn't he hit 40 just a few years ago?

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 11:03 PM
Way to hit the first pitch into a casey Javier. I don't care if he bats well off righties, he should be batting no higher than 8th.

I don't mind a player jumping on the first pitch when he stings it. Hudson made a great grab.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:03 PM
Shawn Green up to bat. I really like how he plays defense. He's been the Dback pitchers' best friend...

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 11:03 PM
Well that was ugly.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:03 PM
Yeesh

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:03 PM
I would go with Valentin in the 7th spot tonight, with McCracken hitting 8th.

But usually you would be right.

Even then.... i really think Javier is overrated, even during his career year. Give me Ross or LaRue any day.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:04 PM
What happend with Lopez there? yessh.

George Foster
05-05-2006, 11:04 PM
I hope this will end any comparison to Larkin

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:04 PM
Yeesh

care to explain?

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 11:04 PM
The Reds are letting a lot of first pitch fastballs go down the middle of the plate.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:05 PM
care to explain?
Felipe with an ugly error letting a run score.


Now 2-0.

VR
05-05-2006, 11:05 PM
Error of passivity for Feloper...oy

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:05 PM
Talk about a interesting line.

B.K. Kim - 3.2 Innings 67PC 7 hits 4 ER 1BB and 8k's.

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 11:06 PM
Even then.... i really think Javier is overrated, even during his career year. Give me Ross or LaRue any day.
Ross????

At least Valentin has a career year.

GridironGrace
05-05-2006, 11:06 PM
Man...

5-7 when the other team scores first atleast going on what they said the other night in our 3-0 loss

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 11:06 PM
Geez...these guys have really dialed in on The Lizard this inning.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:06 PM
I notice that Arizona wears the Klingon helmet.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:06 PM
Can't let Webb have too much of a lead.

George Foster
05-05-2006, 11:07 PM
Man...

5-7 when the other team scores first atleast going on what they said the other night in our 3-0 loss
5-7 ain't bad when you start out in the hole!

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:07 PM
Lizard is throwing inside well, but he needs to target both sides of the plate. So far, every pitch sequence I've watched has been low and inside for almost every pitch.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:08 PM
3-0..Webb helps himself

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:08 PM
Webb kicks in on the deal.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:08 PM
Only 1 ER, but they all count....

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:09 PM
Ross????

At least Valentin has a career year.


Ross is hitting well... 3 hr in under 30 AB. And he had a good spring. He also brings a much better defensive presence than does Javier, and I like the way he calls the pitchers games. Look at the pitchers ERA for the early starts JV made vs. all the early starts Ross got because of LaRue's injury.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:09 PM
Lopez's error was pretty costly. Considering that the bottom of the D-Backs order is very retireable.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 11:09 PM
This could get ugly. Lizard is throwing softballs up there.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
This could get ugly. Lizard is throwing softballs up there.
Nah.

Should have been out of this inning with only 1 run.

George Foster
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
error's with men on base kills!!!:angry:

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
Yep. This team still needs two starters.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
I'm not going to pull an OBM and start talking doom and gloom, but this early hole means in a few minutes its time for me to get back to studying for exams. Thanks for playing y'all!

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
How the f'ing hell do you give up a single to Webb???

I was all pumped up when I logged on 10 mins ago...I now feel that we're in for a LONG night.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
Ross can't talk to the Lizard like Javy can.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:10 PM
Yep. This team still needs two starters.
Yep, good ones.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
So I lied.... maybe the walk to counsel was to tire B. Webb out on the basepaths.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
I wish all parks had that little path from the plate to the mound

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
Yep, good ones.

I'd settle for one good one and one decent one.

VR
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
This could get ugly. Lizard is throwing softballs up there.

I don't like the fact that Hume hasn't been out there to settle him down....or even an infielder.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
It's one of those nights so far.

George Foster
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
Yep. This team still needs two starters.

There has never been anything mentioned on this board any more true.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
Are you KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy Moley can I go to bed.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
oh....my......god, this is looking like the Keystone Kops out there.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:11 PM
Ross can't talk to the Lizard like Javy can.

Which is why I'm fine w/ Javier starting tonight... but there has to be someone else on the team who can translate... Eddie? Anyone?

Aronchis
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
Yep, good ones.

and we most likely don't have the fire power to get them............so?

Oxilon
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
Wtf?

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
3 un earned runs.

Defense really helping the young pitching.

JohhnyBench1001
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
CRAP!!!!!!!!! Man we had a runner hung up and throw the ball into center field. Good Job Hatti...........ugggh

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
Ok, I'm leaving, right now.... damn

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
How the f'ing hell do you give up a single to Webb???

I was all pumped up when I logged on 10 mins ago...I now feel that we're in for a LONG night.

Webb is now hitting .222 with 4 RBIs. Not bad for a pitcher.

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
It's fun watching Hatteberg and McCracken play catch.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
and we most likely don't have the fire power to get them............so?
We hope for a dumb team to deal us one for junk.

CrackerJack
05-05-2006, 11:12 PM
Not looking like a 1st place team tonight at all. Embarrassing.

Felo looking like the pre-2005 version this year too often. I hope he gets it together.

Joseph
05-05-2006, 11:14 PM
Ok, this is ugly, who do I blame?

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:14 PM
Ok, this is ugly, who do I blame?
You know who to blame


Bob Boone

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 11:14 PM
The Lizard is done....defense certainly hasn't helped him, but he's done.

Get Hammond loose. We pitch him 5-6 innings, and maybe he blows out a tendon.

I feel horrible saying that, but how else are we going to get rid of him?

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:14 PM
Looking like that game at Wrigley a few weeks back.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Bases loaded.

1 more out or this gets really bad

JohhnyBench1001
05-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Not looking like a 1st place team tonight at all. Embarrassing.

Felo looking like the pre-2005 version this year too often. I hope he gets it together.


Yep..........way too many errors. I am still for moving BP to SS and putting Lopez at 2nd, even though 2nd becomes a problem then.

gilpdawg
05-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Well guys, I'll be back later, I think I'll catch the end of the Cavs/Wizards game. Usually when the Reds are losing, and I turn the game off, they always rally while I'm away. Let's hope my mojo is working tonight.

George Foster
05-05-2006, 11:15 PM
It's time to dig out the "Grease" DVD Olivia Newton John is (was) smokin'

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Ok, this is ugly, who do I blame?

Ramirez. Poor defense after the line drive hits isn't to blame. Throwing 20 of 40 pitches for balls--that's a problem.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:15 PM
Balk.

5-0 :bang:

CTA513
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
Im pretty sure that we will see Belisle this game.

Aronchis
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
With all the wrestling talked about on these threads lately.........this looks like one of those old Saturday wrestling shows from 1989 where the "star" would come in and wrestle around with a jobber. The Reds look like the jobber. The Dbacks hook the leg for the pin. What a thrill;).

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
Mark Grace says the Lizard is pitching around contact.

Oxilon
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
Are you f'ing kidding me?

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
Sportsline has Zumaya's last two pitches at 101 and 102...why can't we have pitchers like this? Pitchers who give us hope?

IslandRed
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
Looking like that game at Wrigley a few weeks back.

Or Opening Day.

With our pitching and defense, we're going to have some real clunkers. We just have to hope we get it all out of our system and string together some good ballgames after this.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:16 PM
Ramirez. Poor defense after the line drive hits isn't to blame. Throwing 20 of 40 pitches for balls--that's a problem.
You will blame anything on the pitching.

When you give a team 5 outs, bad things will happen.

He fell apart due to the defense.

Ok that balk and 4 pitch walk was his fault.

3 of the runs go on the D, the other 3 go on him.

VR
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Lizard wild all inning, now can't get a call. Ball two was right down the pipe, ball four coulda been a strike too. (Already verified, I have TIVO) :)

Hey Hatteberg, the rookie is struggling, get your but* over there and settle him down. sheesh

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Mark Grace says the Lizard is pitching around contact.
And that is something he can't afford to do.

CTA513
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
:laugh:

CrackerJack
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
wow, and it gets much, much worse

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Pretty sure everything that could go wrong has gone wrong in this inning

It's like a circus out there

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
good night.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:17 PM
Haha another freaking error.

Oxilon
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
This is pathetic

JohhnyBench1001
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
They have killed themselves this game, and I truly hope that they have this out of their system by tommorow...........good night all.

GridironGrace
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
Hard to wanna pitch when the Defense aint makin ANY easy plays.

CTA513
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
I think we can chalk up a L for this game.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
I loath west coast trips.

BoydsOfSummer
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
good gawd....this inning is beastly

George Foster
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
This is brutal!!!!!! Good night!! "summer days driftin' away, but ah ah those summer nights.""""

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
BP catches that ball.

CrackerJack
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
McCracken ends the misery with a nice catch...

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:18 PM
Inning over.

We need a TD and a 2 pointer.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:19 PM
wow old man end the madness.

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 11:19 PM
HO-LEEE crap.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:19 PM
And yet with out offense this game isn't over. Not in the 3rd inning. Bring the bats.

WVSteveVT
05-05-2006, 11:19 PM
I think we can chalk up a L for this game.


hmm, we can get 7 right? I haven't given up on this one yet, even though we're facing a good pitcher and all.

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 11:19 PM
Well, at least there is still plenty of time. Webb's been on the bench quite a while...

Fullboat
05-05-2006, 11:20 PM
Wow can we get a Mulligan on that inning?

CTA513
05-05-2006, 11:20 PM
hmm, we can get 7 right? I haven't given up on this one yet, even though they're facing a good pitcher and all.

We will be seeing ground ball after ground ball tonight.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:21 PM
7 runs, 1 earned.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:21 PM
2 IP, 7 runs, 1 ER

His ERA won't be effected much.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:21 PM
Quick first out.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:21 PM
I didn't foresee a win in this game anyway, so it's not that big a deal to me. But it makes tomorrow and Sunday much more pressing.

PuffyPig
05-05-2006, 11:22 PM
Reminds me of the 11-0 game against the Brewers a few weeks ago.

The good news is that that debacle was surrounded by a lot of good baseball and a lot of wins.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:22 PM
Old Man Q singles

KittyDuran
05-05-2006, 11:22 PM
I didn't foresee a win in this game anyway, so it's not that big a deal to me. But it makes tomorrow and Sunday much more pressing.I didn't either - because of Lizard and going against Webb - but hey, they might pull it out!!! :beerme:

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:23 PM
Wow can we get a Mulligan on that inning?

Sure thing...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f3/Blackjack_Mulligan.jpg/170px-Blackjack_Mulligan.jpg

Oxilon
05-05-2006, 11:23 PM
The Lizard stays in the game.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:23 PM
Q breaks up the no-no.

redsrule2500
05-05-2006, 11:24 PM
Cinco De Mayo sucks.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:24 PM
Q with a steal.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:24 PM
Ground ball outs *drool*

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:25 PM
And the top of the orders slump continues.

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:26 PM
Is it a slump, or is it that the Reds are facing a top 5 pitcher?

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:27 PM
Is it a slump, or is it that the Reds are facing a top 5 pitcher?
I wasn't just talking about today.

Lizard just needs to settle down here

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:28 PM
CBS Sportsline feed all jammed up...game not on Extra Innings. I guess it's a good thing for my blood pressure.

VR
05-05-2006, 11:28 PM
On a lighter note, the XM Radio commercial with the three caucasions rolling to some rap music is quite funny. Werd.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:29 PM
Nice shirt dude.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:30 PM
Haha the same guy almost caught a foul ball on back to back pitches!!!!

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:30 PM
How many top 5 pitchers are there in the NL?

Jeff Francis
Brandon Webb
Ben Sheets
Chris Carpenter
Roy Oswalt
Tyler Buchholz
Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux

How many more have I forgotten?

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:30 PM
Good inning.

KySteveH
05-05-2006, 11:31 PM
Grown men wearing baseball gloves at a game is bad enough. Making a huge deal when you catch a ball while wearing the glove is worse. But missing a ball while wearing a glove is lamest of all.

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 11:31 PM
Let's see Lopez lay down a bunt single here and get the offense going.

But then again, Dunn can't seem to handle pitchers throwing out of the stretch, and Kearns needs glasses, and Hatteberg's batting fourth.

KySteveH
05-05-2006, 11:32 PM
How many top 5 pitchers are there in the NL?

Jeff Francis
Brandon Webb
Ben Sheets
Chris Carpenter
Roy Oswalt
Tyler Buchholz
Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux

How many more have I forgotten?

Umm...5 I guess? What are you talking about?

Who's buried in Grant's tomb?

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:32 PM
Let's see Lopez lay down a bunt single here and get the offense going.

But then again, Dunn can't seem to handle pitchers throwing out of the stretch, and Kearns needs glasses, and Hatteberg's batting fourth.

Good call.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:32 PM
Who's buried in Grant's tomb?
Jimmy Hoffa

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:32 PM
Bunt hit.

Time for a Dunn special.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:33 PM
How many top 5 pitchers are there in the NL?

Jeff Francis
Brandon Webb
Ben Sheets
Chris Carpenter
Roy Oswalt
Tyler Buchholz
Pedro Martinez
Greg Maddux

How many more have I forgotten?

John Smoltz
Tim Hudson
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
Mark Prior
Dontrelle Willis
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chris Capuano
Zach Duke (not really sure)
Jake Peavy

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:33 PM
Umm...5 I guess? What are you talking about?

Who's buried in Grant's tomb?

Ummm, that was sarcasm.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:34 PM
413 foot out.

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:35 PM
Productive out?

VR
05-05-2006, 11:35 PM
Eric Byrnes is scrappy, good ad man for Starbuck's.

smith288
05-05-2006, 11:36 PM
413 foot out.
i hate stupid dimensions...

Joseph
05-05-2006, 11:36 PM
So only one of the runs was earned against The Lizard?

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:36 PM
i hate stupid dimensions...
and pools in the outfield.

saboforthird
05-05-2006, 11:37 PM
No better way to rid yourself of any doubt of a loss against a pitcher of Webb's calibre than a 7-spot goof. ;)

Falls City Beer
05-05-2006, 11:37 PM
I see a lot of pitchers being listed, but only a few of them pitching well enough to be considered a top 5 this season, like Brandon Webb.

This offense (aside from Lopez) isn't slumping. They've been facing very, very tough pitching. And when they don't face tough pitching, like Josh Fogg, they pummel it. And even when they face good pitching, they pummel it more than half the time.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:38 PM
So only one of the runs was earned against The Lizard?

Yes.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:38 PM
Come on Eddie! (I couldn't stay away.... but 7 runs... holy crap)

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:38 PM
Multi-tasking!

KronoRed
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Multi-tasking!
That's gonna lead us to a win

Joseph
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Minimum Coverage!

KySteveH
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
No better way to rid yourself of any doubt of a loss against a pitcher of Webb's calibre than a 7-spot goof. ;)
Welcome to RedsZone, Sabo!

THNDRacket
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Good call.

Unfortunately, I was right on the rest too.

I guess my antijinx code wasn't working.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:39 PM
Wait, who's multi-tasking now?

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:41 PM
Despite that 2nd inning piece of crap, Liz is only 10 pitches ahead of Webb, 57 to 47. Maybe we can knock him out just yet.

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:41 PM
Elmer Dessens in for KC...2.76 era. Still rather have Felipe. Bowden's best move.

Dunner44
05-05-2006, 11:42 PM
First pitch strikes... please?

KySteveH
05-05-2006, 11:42 PM
Byrnes = Freel with higher pants. Always great to see that the left fielder has to call a ball to straightaway left just in case the scrappy CF is coming over like an idiot kamakaze.

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 11:42 PM
Looks like a loss, folks.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:43 PM
I'm officially worried about Lopez.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:43 PM
freaking errors

4 IP 1 ER

KySteveH
05-05-2006, 11:43 PM
Looks like a loss, folks.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:44 PM
why do I hate all FSN commercials?

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:44 PM
I'm officially worried about Lopez.

Why?

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:44 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
:beerme:

Joseph
05-05-2006, 11:46 PM
I'm not worried about Lopez.

I'm worried about too many catchers.

I'm worried about too many arms in the pen.

I'm worried about the 1B situation, especially with RA on the DL.

I'm worried about Junior.

I'm not worried about FeLo.

TheBigLebowski
05-05-2006, 11:46 PM
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.


Who said I was leaving?

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:46 PM
Quick update from today's Baseball America...not that I have much hope after shoulder issues.

RED HOTS

• Righthander Richie Gardner, one of the club’s many pitching prospects whose career has been derailed by injuries, was set to begin throwing off a mound in extended spring training. He’s recovering from August shoulder surgery.

• Righthander Thomas Pauley, a second-round pick in 2003, will join Gardner in extended spring training as he, too, recovers from August shoulder surgery.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:47 PM
Why?


Im not the baseball type of person to ask why. I don't know why, I just know i'm worried about him. To me he seems like he is struggling really, really bad. Last really good game I remember him having, is in Chi-Town when he hit that 3-run bomb. Other then a steal here or there.. There hasn't been much production from him this year (like we really need him to do that much)

His throws are always low, and i mean 90% of the time I see them toward the dirt... I don't know...

I love him to death - but I dont' know.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:47 PM
Horrible baserunning

but

RALLY TIME!

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:47 PM
That is fast grass.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:48 PM
Horrible baserunning



Say that again.

Joseph
05-05-2006, 11:48 PM
Nice baserunning from El Javier.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:48 PM
More awful baserunning.

edabbs44
05-05-2006, 11:49 PM
Another update...Milton Loo is ranked as the 4th best JC prospect.

In a draft short on position players, Reds ninth-round pick Milton Loo stands out as a player who would add a toolsy infielder to a thin crop. The Yavapai (Ariz.) CC player, whom the Reds also drafted in 2004 in the 17th round out of a Hawaiian high school, has battled an elbow injury late in the spring that limited him to DH but was cleared to play for Yavapai in the postseason.

Loo hit .343 with five home runs this spring after hitting .404 in 2005. He has enough athleticism to play shortstop but has played third in deference to a superior defender, teammate Troy Hanzawa, and has become adept at the hot corner in a short time. He's average or better across the board, showing intriguing power potential the last two years in the Arizona CC Athletic Conference, which uses wood bats. One scout compared his overall package to that of Tony Graffanino, though some have been troubled in the past by his inconsistent effort, and by the fact he turned down a low-six-figures signing bonus last year.

RedsMan3203
05-05-2006, 11:49 PM
We get one back atleast.

Big Klu
05-05-2006, 11:50 PM
Ray Mysterio comes through!

Still think it sucks that he is wearing a crappy number like #62.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:50 PM
7-1

GridironGrace
05-05-2006, 11:50 PM
Whats with the Brain Farts 2nite????????????????

it should be 7-2 now :( instead we only get 1

chance for more however if we LOSE by 1 run 2nite.... i say whoop Valentin... our whoever's fault it was on that out at home.

reds44
05-05-2006, 11:51 PM
I love Ray's swing

VR
05-05-2006, 11:51 PM
The trifecta for Javier.

1. Being waved on Kearns should-be triple, stays at third.

2. Should have been running on the contact play with defense back, out at home.

3. As they are talking about his bad baserunning, the cameras pan in on him sitting on the bench with his index finger two knuckles deep in the left nostril.