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edabbs44
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Hatteberg takes pitches, takes walks and will put up a solid on-base percentage. Hatteberg entered today's game with 17 walks and a .416 OBP. So far this season, his production has been more than worth his salary.

Quick trivia question: Excluding the leadoff spot, which spot in the batting order leads off more innings than any other spot in the batting order?

Let's see some answers ...


It would help if Hatteberg had any speed worth mentioning. Hitting 5 or 6 he needs to knock in runs. He currently has 5 RBI hitting 5 or 6 with about 80 at bats. That is pathetic, no matter what his OBP is.

6-4-3
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Wow, I have nothing to say...

redsrule2500
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Wow what the hell was that all about...!!!

HE WAS OUT AT FIRST BTW.

Felipe. obviously second guessing himself there.

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Cue the circus music.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Lopez makes another bad throw but Hatteberg makes a good play to get up and throw the runner out at home. 8-7 Reds after 7.

OSURedLeg
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
Felipe choked this inning with throwing error #2, but Hatte makes a heads up throw to home to pick off the runner. 8 - 7 Reds

Cyclone792
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
It would help if Hatteberg had any speed worth mentioning. Hitting 5 or 6 he needs to knock in runs. He currently has 5 RBI hitting 5 or 6 with about 80 at bats. That is pathetic, no matter what his OBP is.

You didn't answer the question.

I'll repeat it again for you: Excluding the leadoff spot, which spot in the batting order leads off more innings than any other spot in the batting order?

reds44
05-07-2006, 07:17 PM
oh my god

inning over

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:18 PM
wow maybe we should switch felipe and bp

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:18 PM
Excuse me.....I watched the play, the replay and I know a little geometry. If that ball hits at the base of the wall, it cannot then hit the wall and bounce up so that Dunn can catch it standing 20 feet from the warning track.

That ball bounced in the middle of the track, then hit off the top of the wall and out to Dunn standing where he was watching the whole ordeal.

Dunn is plain awful in the outfield, I am not the only one who sees that.....but apparently Narron is one of the few who are blind to it.

The ball bounced no less than 2 or 3 inches in front of the wall and and bounced off the base of the wall. The best LFer in the game probably doesn't make that catch.

Lopez - yeesh. Horrible throws.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 07:19 PM
You didn't answer the question.

I'll repeat it again for you: Excluding the leadoff spot, which spot in the batting order leads off more innings than any other spot in the batting order?

6th spot?

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:19 PM
Lopez to 2B, Phillips to SS. Need to make the switch.

reds44
05-07-2006, 07:20 PM
Lopez to 2B, Phillips to SS. Need to make the switch.
LOL

Phillips to SS
Lopez to 2B
Dunn to 1B
Griffey to LF

Do I have it all?

Patrick Bateman
05-07-2006, 07:20 PM
You didn't answer the question.

I'll repeat it again for you: Excluding the leadoff spot, which spot in the batting order leads off more innings than any other spot in the batting order?
5th?

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:20 PM
Ok...what the hell happpened? 2 Lopez errors? Gamecast did not do that play justice.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 07:20 PM
You didn't answer the question.

I'll repeat it again for you: Excluding the leadoff spot, which spot in the batting order leads off more innings than any other spot in the batting order?

I don't think it makes a difference, but I would guess 5 or 6.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:20 PM
Ross pops out to 2nd. 1 out.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 07:21 PM
LOL

Phillips to SS
Lopez to 2B
Dunn to 1B
Griffey to LF

Do I have it all?

You forgot White to the glue factory. Now I think we have it all.

westofyou
05-07-2006, 07:21 PM
Dunn should have used telepathy to help Lopez out last inning.

Back in the day they all used it...

OSURedLeg
05-07-2006, 07:21 PM
Ok...what the hell happpened? 2 Lopez errors? Gamecast did not do that play justice.

Lopez had 2 straight ground balls hit to him, and made terrible throws on both for errors.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:21 PM
McCracken flies out to the warning track in center. 2 outs.

Cyclone792
05-07-2006, 07:22 PM
5th?

We have a winner!

Excluding the leadoff slot, the 5th slot in the batting order will lead off more innings than any other spot in the batting order.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:22 PM
Alright, Fee Lo...now is the time for atonement.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:22 PM
I love Felipe as a player, but he's killing me with those throws. Need to flip him and Phillips.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:22 PM
Ok...what the hell happpened? 2 Lopez errors? Gamecast did not do that play justice.On the last play Hatteberg stretched just to catch the bad throw and then got right up and threw the runner out at home.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:22 PM
4th hit for Lopez.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
Time for another homer here.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
Dude is all about the IF singles today.

reds44
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
4th hit for Lopez.
2nd of the infield variety.

Very nice.

vaticanplum
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
We have a winner!

Excluding the leadoff slot, the 5th slot in the batting order will lead off more innings than any other spot in the batting order.

That was my guess too, but randomly...why is that?

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
Lopez singles.

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
LOL

Phillips to SS
Lopez to 2B
Dunn to 1B
Griffey to LF

Do I have it all?

Reminiscent of the 1965 offseason when no less than 4 Reds changed positions after the Frank Robinson trade.

GullyFoyle
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
Excuse me.....I watched the play, the replay and I know a little geometry. If that ball hits at the base of the wall, it cannot then hit the wall and bounce up so that Dunn can catch it standing 20 feet from the warning track.

That ball bounced in the middle of the track, then hit off the top of the wall and out to Dunn standing where he was watching the whole ordeal.

Dunn is plain awful in the outfield, I am not the only one who sees that.....but apparently Narron is one of the few who are blind to it.

For what it is worth Marty said Dunn had no chance at it...

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
double would get the job done here but homer would work

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:23 PM
ARI making a pitching change?

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:24 PM
Guess not.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:25 PM
Dunn pops out to short. 8-7 Reds mid 8th.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:25 PM
Dunn pops out on a fastball mid-in.

westofyou
05-07-2006, 07:25 PM
That was my guess too, but randomly...why is that?
Because "Manager By the Book's" leadoff hitter walks, the # 2 guy sacrifices and the man moves to second, the #3 and #4 guys make an out and the # 5 Guy leads off.

Big Klu
05-07-2006, 07:25 PM
Multi-tasking!

Big Klu
05-07-2006, 07:26 PM
Because "Manager By the Book's" leadoff hitter walks, the # 2 guy sacrifices and the man moves to second, the #3 and #4 guys make an out and the # 5 Guy leads off.

You mean the #5 guy? Because your guys are batting out of order! :D


BTW, thanks for the pick-me-up! :)

redsrule2500
05-07-2006, 07:26 PM
Chancing of me working are...remote:all_cohol

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:27 PM
Dunn's gotta understand....5 RBI in one game is just not cuttting it.

Cyclone792
05-07-2006, 07:27 PM
I don't think it makes a difference, but I would guess 5 or 6.

It makes plenty of difference.

OBP is most important in the leadoff slot, with the 2nd and 5th spots in the lineup essentially being tied for second in the importance of OBP. It is more important to have a higher slugging percentage in the 6th than the 5th spot in the lineup, and slightly more important to have a higher slugging percentage in the 7th spot than the 5th spot.

http://images.beyondtheboxscore.com/images/admin/OBPSLG.JPG

BTW, just saw your question, vatican, and the above should answer your question also.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:27 PM
DaVanon pinch hitting for Snyder.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:28 PM
baseball tonite is obsessed with bonds

vaticanplum
05-07-2006, 07:28 PM
Yep, thanks.

Big Klu
05-07-2006, 07:29 PM
WOY,

I coulda sworn that said #6 in your earlier post! :D

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:29 PM
DaVanon leads off with a walk.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:29 PM
Estrada pinch hitting for Medders.

westofyou
05-07-2006, 07:30 PM
baseball tonite is obsessed with bonds
I'd say they're obsessed with a number.

If Bonds had 650 HR's he wouldn't be all over the place.

redsrule2500
05-07-2006, 07:30 PM
C'mon COFFEY>!!! (Also, ESPN sucks)

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:30 PM
baseball tonite is obsessed with bonds

I don't think I could handle a half hour of Bonds On Bonds.

Cyclone792
05-07-2006, 07:31 PM
That was my guess too, but randomly...why is that?

Actually, my earlier post may not have answered your question completely, my bad.

But to finish answering your question, I'm not sure of the exact average percentage, but the 5th spot in the lineup leads off the 2nd inning at an exceptionally high rate. So much so that the importance of having a high OBP in the 5th spot in the order has great importance to run scoring.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:31 PM
Estrada strikes out swinging. 1 out.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:31 PM
K. Nice

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:33 PM
Byrnes hit by the pitch. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:33 PM
Is Byrnes diving into pitches or something? That's #2..

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:34 PM
Coffey walks DeVanon and hits Byrnes. Not exactly guys you should be walking with the tough part of the lineup coming up.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:35 PM
Hudson strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 07:35 PM
It makes plenty of difference.

OBP is most important in the leadoff slot, with the 2nd and 5th spots in the lineup essentially being tied for second in the importance of OBP. It is more important to have a higher slugging percentage in the 6th than the 5th spot in the lineup, and slightly more important to have a higher slugging percentage in the 7th spot than the 5th spot.

BTW, just saw your question, vatican, and the above should answer your question also.

Stats or no stats, I don't buy it. For a few reasons.

1) OBP is great, but when the guy runs like Casey in his 3rd trimester, I would rather have him banging balls off the wall rather than walking and clogging up the basepaths.

2) Those stats should also take into account who is hitting in front of you and behind you. I am sure those 5th hitters with a high OBP are knocking in runs. OBP can be deceiving, especially when the guy IS ON PACE FOR 20 RBI!!!

3) Run the numbers for 1st baseman and what their average SLG % is. I guarantee it is well over .400.

Just my personal preference.

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:35 PM
Thank God for another fine defensive play by Hat in the 7th. I pulled a groin muscle watching it unfold. :lol:

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:35 PM
2nd K...that's big.

Thing is...if he gets this guy, we get Weathers with likely a 1 run lead against the meat of their order.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:35 PM
Mercker coming in to pitch. I would have left Coffey in.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:36 PM
Here comes Mercker

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:36 PM
Mercker coming in to pitch. I would have left Coffey in.

Me too.

I just have a bad feeling here with Mercker.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:37 PM
With the roof open hitting a 94mph fastball is very hard to hit going in and out of the sun. Mercer's 82mph fastball is a lot easier. we will see.

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:38 PM
Dang! Nice try Hat to try and field it fair.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:38 PM
That was on the line to me.

Dunner44
05-07-2006, 07:38 PM
No one left in the chat?

westofyou
05-07-2006, 07:39 PM
3) Run the numbers for 1st baseman and what their average SLG % is. I guarantee it is well over .400.Run their salaries for me and let me know they work out too Cyclone. ;)

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:40 PM
come on Merc!

ThatPitchIsDunn
05-07-2006, 07:41 PM
Whew

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:41 PM
Woah! Just got under that one for the final out to Ears!

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:41 PM
Tracy flies out to right. 8-7 Reds after 8.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:41 PM
Yess

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:42 PM
Chad Tracy is on my fantasy team, but I'm not going to complain about his performance today.

Kc61
05-07-2006, 07:42 PM
In ninth, Mercker will face Gonzo, then Weathers.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:42 PM
Big out, Williams still in line for the win. Like hitting a bank-shot from the top of the key to win a basketball game......slop!

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:42 PM
Just got under it. Whew.

Need some insurance runs.

oneupper
05-07-2006, 07:42 PM
Coffey's ERA is now 0.49.

Can't even get a cup of...nevermind.

KronoRed
05-07-2006, 07:43 PM
More runs.

A win doesn't mean Williams isn't bad, just means the O bailed him out ;)

Patrick Bateman
05-07-2006, 07:43 PM
clogging up the basepaths.



I hate that term. Getting on base is hugely importnat and doesn't matter the speed. If he's on base he isn't preventing anyone else from scoring so I don't see how he truly clogs them.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:43 PM
in the words of marty david stormy weathers warming in the pen

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:45 PM
Williams road ERA actually went down today, it was over 13.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
Gone!

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
EE homers!!!

9-7

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
Vizcaino in to pitch.

Encarnacion homers to left. 9-7 Reds!!!

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
ede gone to left field there's some insurance

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
I hate that term. Getting on base is hugely importnat and doesn't matter the speed. If he's on base he isn't preventing anyone else from scoring so I don't see how he truly clogs them.

Just a saying. I think OBP is better at the top of the order.

EE just matched 50% of Hatte's HRs and 20% of his RBIs in one AB...go EE!

Cyclone792
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
Stats or no stats, I don't buy it. For a few reasons.

1) OBP is great, but when the guy runs like Casey in his 3rd trimester, I would rather have him banging balls off the wall rather than walking and clogging up the basepaths.

2) Those stats should also take into account who is hitting in front of you and behind you. I am sure those 5th hitters with a high OBP are knocking in runs. OBP can be deceiving, especially when the guy IS ON PACE FOR 20 RBI!!!

3) Run the numbers for 1st baseman and what their average SLG % is. I guarantee it is well over .400.

Just my personal preference.

Of course you're not going to buy it, because it goes against the longtime traditional - and wrong - belief of how actual run production occurs and the "job" of each slot in the lineup. Citing RBI as you've done is clear proof of that. OBP creates baserunners, and avoiding outs (read: high OBP) is the number one fundamental way to increase run production.

Look at the chart again:

http://images.beyondtheboxscore.com/images/admin/OBPSLG.JPG

When Scott Hatteberg is in the lineup, the 5th slot is the best slot in the lineup for him given his skill set of high OBP and a low SLG. His SLG is far too low to bat him third, and his OBP is far too high to bat him eighth. His lack of speed creates an interesting debate of whether or not Hatteberg would benefit us leading off or batting second, but so long as Ryan Freel is playing then Freel belongs in the leadoff slot. Additionally, his exact production does make it a bit inefficient to bat him 2nd due to the discrepancy of plate appearances over the course of the season between leadoff/second and the fifth spot in the lineup.

That leaves the fifth hole, and Scott Hatteberg fits appropriately in the fifth hole.

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
Edwin is fun to watch.

reds44
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
Way to go Ede!

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:46 PM
:beerme: :beerme: :beerme:

ee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:47 PM
Wow I was just going to post how EE seemed to be in a coma today...big run.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:47 PM
if he can only cut down the errors but he still has time he's young

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:47 PM
Hatteberg strikes out swinging. 1 out.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:47 PM
good nite for hatte 1 out

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Kearns lines a double to left center. A homer and 2 doubles for Kearns today.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Kearns doubles for his third XBH of the game.

KittyDuran
05-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Double for Ears!

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:48 PM
kearns with double

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:48 PM
Ears gets his 2nd dbl (11th overall).

Ears is coming into his own.

reds44
05-07-2006, 07:49 PM
Ears is good
EE is good
on and on

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:49 PM
Ears is in his window....he absolutely KILLs Diamondback pitching.

KronoRed
05-07-2006, 07:49 PM
These guys are bad :D

KittyDuran
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
DP... Ouch!

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
bp needs a big hit here

westofyou
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
Got a catch a plane slip.

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
Shake it off Ears! You can't help slipping. Bad break.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
Phillips lines out to 3rd. Kearns falls going back to 2nd and the Diamondbacks get the double play. 9-7 Reds mid 9th.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
that hurt kearns trips double play

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
uh...just what ears said...GD it!

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
Of course you're not going to buy it, because it goes against the longtime traditional - and wrong - belief of how actual run production occurs and the "job" of each slot in the lineup. Citing RBI as you've done is clear proof of that. OBP creates baserunners, and avoiding outs (read: high OBP) is the number one fundamental way to increase run production.

Look at the chart again:

http://images.beyondtheboxscore.com/images/admin/OBPSLG.JPG

When Scott Hatteberg is in the lineup, the 5th slot is the best slot in the lineup for him given his skill set of high OBP and a low SLG. His SLG is far too low to bat him third, and his OBP is far too high to bat him eighth. His lack of speed creates an interesting debate of whether or not Hatteberg would benefit us leading off or batting second, but so long as Ryan Freel is playing then Freel belongs in the leadoff slot. Additionally, his exact production does make it a bit inefficient to bat him 2nd due to the discrepancy of plate appearances over the course of the season between leadoff/second and the fifth spot in the lineup.

That leaves the fifth hole, and Scott Hatteberg fits appropriately in the fifth hole.

So when the Marlins won their last WS, Pierre and Castillo hitting 1st and 2nd was wrong and Castillo should have hit 5th?

reds44
05-07-2006, 07:50 PM
ooops

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:51 PM
Bad break there.

Kearns is making up for Tracy on my fantasy team

Chip R
05-07-2006, 07:51 PM
With the Nature Boy, Ric Aurilia on the shelf, the Enforcer, EE comes through Horseman style. Whoooo! ;)

The Baumer
05-07-2006, 07:51 PM
I've been telling you guys, Phillips has been ripping the ball right at people the last 5-6 games. Bad, bad luck.

KronoRed
05-07-2006, 07:51 PM
2 runs might be enough

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:52 PM
Weathers in to pitch.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:53 PM
we need to put deno in left for dunn

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:53 PM
Hey if we can hold on here, a 2-3 road trip ain't bad. The Rockies just swept the Astro's and the Diamondbacks had a 7-1 home stand. Two VERY hot teams.

oneupper
05-07-2006, 07:53 PM
Would it make sense to leave Merk in for Gonzo?

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:53 PM
Gonzalez singles to left.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:54 PM
basehit for gonzo

oneupper
05-07-2006, 07:54 PM
Frankly I hate the "closer" recipe.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:54 PM
here we go, need a DP ball.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:54 PM
Would it make sense to leave Merk in for Gonzo?
Gonzalez was 6 for 13 against Mercker that is why they brought Weathers in.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:55 PM
but the lefty lefty matchup would have been better

Kc61
05-07-2006, 07:55 PM
something told me this wasn't going to be easy.

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:55 PM
Stormy Weather. Geez! :rolleyes:

2 on with 0 outs

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:55 PM
Uh oh. Jackson singles just past Lopez into center. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

oneupper
05-07-2006, 07:55 PM
Gonzalez was 6 for 13 against Mercker that is why they brought Weathers in.

Whoa...kind of owned...I take it back.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:56 PM
Easley sacrifices to EE. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:56 PM
Every inning in which we've scored, they've scored as well.

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:56 PM
Nice play EE

1 down with runners advanced.

westofyou
05-07-2006, 07:56 PM
Every inning in which we've scored, they've scored as well.
Ying and Yang

George Foster
05-07-2006, 07:56 PM
do you bring the outfield in here to stop the runner on second from scoring on a single?

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Intentional walk to Green loads the bases.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Reds are putting the winning run on base.:rolleyes:

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:57 PM
intentionally walking green

oneupper
05-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Narron throwing the book out.

6-4-3
05-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Never put the winning run on base! Gap shot ends it now

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 07:58 PM
Narron goes against the book and intentionally puts the winning run on base. We'll see how it works out.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:58 PM
where's that defense substitution of deno to left and freel to cf

oneupper
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
Against the book. I like it.

CrackerJack
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
aye yi yi

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
marty with the old titanic struggle line and he got that one right for once

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
DaVanon gets an infield hit. 9-8. Bases still loaded.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
Edited - forgot some of the good folks on RZ didn't have TV or radio access.

GAC
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
Nice range by Phillips to save another run.

9-8 now

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 07:59 PM
Unreal. I hate this game and I hate this roadtrip.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:00 PM
Okay, what's ACTUALLY happening???

vaticanplum
05-07-2006, 08:00 PM
Ballgame.

1-4 roadtrip.

aahhhh not all of us can see this game...is this true or are we preparing ourselves?!

6-4-3
05-07-2006, 08:00 PM
If Narron wouldn't of put the runner on, a hit would not end the game here.

6-4-3
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Yes!!!

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Wow...game time.

butlerbulldogs
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
double play!!

CrackerJack
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Yee haw!

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
DP! game over!

Hat - what a play!

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Estrada lines into a DP to Hatteberg. Reds win 9-8!!!!!

oneupper
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
DP Yeah

George Foster
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
2-3 road trip...........I'll take it!!!!:thumbup:

TheBigLebowski
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
:beerme: :beerme: :beerme: :beerme: :beerme: :beerme:

YESSSS

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
finally hatte with nice play and this one belongs to the reds

redhawkfish
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Lucky, bit I'll take it! Reds win!!!:)

CTA513
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Hatteberg saves the day. :)

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Ballgame.

1-4 roadtrip.

Glad you're wrong. ;)

Dunner44
05-07-2006, 08:01 PM
Reds win? Aw heck yes....

Kc61
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
Hatteberg is good on those line drives. What a game.

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
Yin and Yang.

Kearns gets doubled off base, and DeBannon returns the favor.

Great win, and the Reds open some space at the top of the division.

vaticanplum
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
Man that was a long game. Good thing they won.

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
played 2 very hot teams in the nl west and u knew we were gonna have one of these roadtrips sometime i'd prefer it would be now than later

The Baumer
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
DBacks must have run out of voodoo dolls in the dugout.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
Thanks folks for the facts. :thumbup:

Reds win. Snoop Dogg's on my TV. All's right with the world.

Cant Touch This
05-07-2006, 08:02 PM
OBM - you get a pass on this one for the Kearns HR prediction, but your "ballgame" post threw a lot of us off...!!

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
aahhhh not all of us can see this game...is this true or are we preparing ourselves?!

Sorry guys, I forgot everyone didn't have TV or radio access. Anyway, we won.

For this team to compete they need to add two more BP arms and another starter. The bullpen is awful.

Aronchis
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Man, was Weathers A-trocious today, pee you man. Lucky that wasn't a foot over or the Reds lose. Is Williams finally kicked out of the rotation?

oneupper
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
According to the Win Expectancy Finder...odds at that point (bases loaded, one out, down one) were in favor of the D'Backs 56-44.

Patrick Bateman
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Ballgame.

1-4 roadtrip.

:beerme:

George Foster
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
We don't have to see Williams pitch until next weekend!!!!:thumbup:

FlyingPig
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
Ya'll were messing with those of us who didn't have live access to the game...


I couldn't tell what the heck was going on!

:mooner:

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
In the last couple of games, that was what? 3-4 fine defensive plays by Hat?

captainmorgan07
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
if dave isn't kicked out of the rotation by now i dunno when he will be but who takes his spot

reds44
05-07-2006, 08:03 PM
And this one belongs to the Reds!!!

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:04 PM
Ballgame.

1-4 roadtrip.

Reverse psychology, baby. It works everytime, just ask MWM. He is the reason why the Red Sox won the World Series. :D

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 08:05 PM
We don't have to see Williams pitch until next weekend!!!!:thumbup:I will be at that game next Saturday. I hope he is out of the rotation by then.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:05 PM
We don't have to see Williams pitch until next weekend!!!!:thumbup:

I think he is scheduled to pitch next Friday vs the Phillies, when several of us from RZ are going down. Harang pitches Wednesday and Arroyo on Thursday.

Oh Happy Day! :rolleyes:

oneupper
05-07-2006, 08:05 PM
Reverse psychology, baby. It works everytime, just ask MWM. He is the reason why the Red Sox won the World Series. :D


I've got lag on my game feed. You freaked my out :eek:

OSURedLeg
05-07-2006, 08:05 PM
if dave isn't kicked out of the rotation by now i dunno when he will be but who takes his spot

I think that's an easy one. Give Belisle his shot. I just don't see why he's stuck with the swingman role and doesn't get a legit chance to break into the rotation - he's no ace, but he's a heckuva lot better than Williams.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:06 PM
I will be at that game next Saturday. I hope he is out of the rotation by then.

Claussen is scheduled for Saturday.

THNDRacket
05-07-2006, 08:06 PM
Big, big homer by Edwin.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:06 PM
I think he is scheduled to pitch next Friday vs the Phillies, when several of us from RZ are going down. Harang pitches Wednesday and Arroyo on Thursday.

Oh Happy Day! :rolleyes:

I'll be there Saturday and Sunday. I believe Williams is pitching on that Saturday game. I feel sorry for the people sitting next to me.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:06 PM
Reverse psychology, baby. It works everytime, just ask MWM. He is the reason why the Red Sox won the World Series. :D

Theo might disagree with him. :lol:

red-in-la
05-07-2006, 08:08 PM
The ball bounced no less than 2 or 3 inches in front of the wall and and bounced off the base of the wall. The best LFer in the game probably doesn't make that catch.

Lopez - yeesh. Horrible throws.

Try your geometry class again....what you describe could only happen if the wall wasn't padded and the ball was hit out of a cannon.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 08:08 PM
I think that's an easy one. Give Belisle his shot. I just don't see why he's stuck with the swingman role and doesn't get a legit chance to break into the rotation - he's no ace, but he's a heckuva lot better than Williams.

Anyone would be better than Williams. Literally anyone. At least they have a shot at being good. Williams has proven that he is just a negative.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 08:08 PM
I think he is scheduled to pitch next Friday vs the Phillies, when several of us from RZ are going down. Harang pitches Wednesday and Arroyo on Thursday.

Oh Happy Day! :rolleyes:
Tomorrow is a off day so I think Williams is scheduled to pitch on Sat.:cry:

oneupper
05-07-2006, 08:09 PM
Big, big homer by Edwin.

Just thinking the same thing.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:09 PM
Try your geometry class again....what you describe could only happen if the wall wasn't padded and the ball was hit out of a cannon.

It must have been shot out of a cannon then.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:09 PM
I'll be there Saturday and Sunday. I believe Williams is pitching on that Saturday game. I feel sorry for the people sitting next to me.

Earlier in the game they announced the rotation for the upcoming week, and it's Claussen on Tues, Harang on Wednesday, Arroyo on Thursday.

But I forgot - we'll probably see the Lizard on Friday, and then Williams on Saturday. Which is fine with me. I hate driving 3 hrs to watch Williams try to pitch. ;)

Redmachine2003
05-07-2006, 08:11 PM
Williams ERA climbs from 7.61 to 7.84 and he still gets the win and most likely another start.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:12 PM
Colorado beat Astros 5-3, but the Cards scalped the Marlins 9-1 today.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 08:12 PM
Earlier in the game they announced the rotation for the upcoming week, and it's Claussen on Tues, Harang on Wednesday, Arroyo on Thursday.

But I forgot - we'll probably see the Lizard on Friday, and then Williams on Saturday. Which is fine with me. I hate driving 3 hrs to watch Williams try to pitch. ;)

Every home game Williams pitches, they should give you half off your ticket, or free parking.:D

FlyingPig
05-07-2006, 08:12 PM
sheesh, I just realized I've been here almost 3 years and have only now got to 500 posts..


But what better way to use number 500 than to say..



This one belongs to the Reds!


:beerme:

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:12 PM
Williams ERA climbs from 7.61 to 7.84 and he still gets the win and most likely another start.

He should take the guys out for steak dinners tonight! ;)

GullyFoyle
05-07-2006, 08:13 PM
Try your geometry class again....what you describe could only happen if the wall wasn't padded and the ball was hit out of a cannon.

I believe that is exactly how it was described...

oneupper
05-07-2006, 08:13 PM
Colorado beat Astros 5-3, but the Cards scalped the Marlins 9-1 today.


Brutal Weekend for the NL Central teams that went out west.
Brewers, Cubs and Astros swept by their rivals.
Reds save the last game in a squeaker.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:14 PM
sheesh, I just realized I've been here almost 3 years and have only now got to 500 posts..


But what better way to use number 500 than to say..



This one belongs to the Reds!

:beerme:

You need to sign up for Krono's class on postology. ;)

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:14 PM
Why do I always get stuck with having to watch the crappy pitchers when I go to the games? Man. I was hoping to see Harang and Arroyo, instead I will get Williams and Claussen.

Reds Fanatic
05-07-2006, 08:14 PM
Every home game Williams pitches, they should give you half off your ticket, or free parking.:DOr 1/2 price beer so you can forget what you are watching.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:15 PM
Every home game Williams pitches, they should give you half off your ticket, or free parking.:D

half off on beer would ease the pain! ;)

George Foster
05-07-2006, 08:15 PM
Brutal Weekend for the NL Central teams that went out west.
Brewers, Cubs and Astros swept by their rivals.
Reds save the last game in a squeaker.

It's really about time for this division to cool off a little. We picked a good time to go 2-3.

Chip R
05-07-2006, 08:15 PM
if dave isn't kicked out of the rotation by now i dunno when he will be but who takes his spot

Williams Knows How To Win, as evidenced by today's game.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 08:16 PM
Williams Knows How To Win, as evidenced by today's game.

Hope that was a joke.

MWM
05-07-2006, 08:16 PM
Williams Knows How To Win, as evidenced by today's game.

:lol:

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:16 PM
Williams Knows How To Win, as evidenced by today's game.

He's no Eric Milton. Now there is a winner.

GAC
05-07-2006, 08:17 PM
Why do I always get stuck with having to watch the crappy pitchers when I go to the games? Man. I was hoping to see Harang and Arroyo, instead I will get Williams and Claussen.

That's been my luck too over the last couple of years. I got to see Harang on Opening Day.... and we all know how that ended up! :lol:

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:17 PM
Hope that was a joke.

Notice the CAPS. Chip's subtle. A subtle bloody mocker.

George Foster
05-07-2006, 08:19 PM
Why do I always get stuck with having to watch the crappy pitchers when I go to the games? Man. I was hoping to see Harang and Arroyo, instead I will get Williams and Claussen.

That's why I never order my tickets. I pick a game I want to go to, 3 or 4 days in advance and buy them off scalpers. I pay $10 or $15 dollars more but I get great seats, and see a decent pitcher. I go to about 6-8 games a year. If I lived near Ciny, I'd be a season ticket holder.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:22 PM
Kearns has his SLG back up to .571. Overall numbers look like .328/.391/.571-.962 OPS.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 08:23 PM
Kearns has his SLG back up to .571. Overall numbers look like .328/.391/.571-.962 OPS.

He should be hitting 5th, not Hatteberg. Ever.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:24 PM
Kearns has his SLG back up to .571. Overall numbers look like .328/.391/.571-.962 OPS.

Put a bow on 'em and ship 'em out. Before he turns into a pumpkin.

Let somebody else overpay for his production.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:25 PM
Put a bow on 'em and ship 'em out. Before he turns into a pumpkin.

He's turned the corner, IMO. The only way I trade him is if I get a No. 1 caliber pitcher in return or a guy like Liriano.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:28 PM
He's turned the corner, .

Yeah, great. Just when his cost is becoming prohibitive. Way to turn on the afterburners. M2 was right all along. (He often is).

He can take his sorry underachieving act elsewhere for a big paycheck. I'd rather not have the offensive version of Tomko on a team I expect to go to the postseason with.

I don't think Liriano is completely out of the question, btw.

pedro
05-07-2006, 08:35 PM
I'm don't have a problem with the idea that Kearns be traded for pitching but he is in no way overpaid for the type of production the Reds are getting out of him.

pedro
05-07-2006, 08:36 PM
Oh, and stop blowing sunshine up M2's posterior. It's getting embarassing. ;)

westofyou
05-07-2006, 08:37 PM
Oh, and stop blowing sunshine up M2's posterior. It's getting embarassing. ;)
He's in england anyway so it falls on deaf ears.

OnBaseMachine
05-07-2006, 08:37 PM
I'm don't have a problem with the idea that Kearns be traded for pitching but he is in no way overpaid for the type of production the Reds are getting out of him.

Agreed.

FCB is making it seem like Kearns is Bonds or Ryan Leaf in the clubhouse. Am I missing something?!? It seems like everyone likes Kearns and he comes off as a nice guy.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:39 PM
I'm don't have a problem with the idea that Kearns be traded for pitching but he is in no way overpaid for the type of production the Reds are getting out of him.

No you're right. Not at this moment. But he was overpaid last season. And the season before that.

And I'd hate to give this guy more than a single-year contract; you're just inviting disaster.

If the Reds can get pitching for him, particularly before he's eligible for FA, they need to move on it pronto.

The Baumer
05-07-2006, 08:40 PM
Kearns & Phillips straight up for Jeff Francis. Freel takes both their positions.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 08:44 PM
Kearns & Phillips straight up for Jeff Francis. Freel takes both their positions.

When every post is accompanied by some trite loaf of irony like your second sentence, it conceals the brilliance of things like the suggestion in your first sentence.

smith288
05-07-2006, 08:56 PM
Put a bow on 'em and ship 'em out. Before he turns into a pumpkin.

Let somebody else overpay for his production.
*yawn*.

traderumor
05-07-2006, 09:01 PM
Whew, just got out of church to turn on the radio and hear Steve wrapping up star of the game with Adam and announcing "Reds hold on 9-8." Glad to get out of there without a sweep. We definately caught the Dbacks at the wrong time. That also allowed us to have a winning week, believe it or not.

This sure did seem like a long week of baseball for the boys, like they were riding a bike up the Rockies all week, so to end it at 4-3 seems like an accomplishment.

edabbs44
05-07-2006, 09:03 PM
Kearns only goes if there is some ML ready pitching involved. And I would want a BP arm along with a starter, both on the right side of 30.

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 09:05 PM
Kearns only goes if there is some ML ready pitching involved. And I would want a BP arm along with a starter, both on the right side of 30.

Sounds about right to me.

TeamBoone
05-07-2006, 09:22 PM
Put a bow on 'em and ship 'em out. Before he turns into a pumpkin.

Let somebody else overpay for his production.

Your opinion. Compared to others, Kearns hardly makes the big bucks.

TeamBoone
05-07-2006, 09:23 PM
Yeah, great. Just when his cost is becoming prohibitive. Way to turn on the afterburners. M2 was right all along. (He often is).

He can take his sorry underachieving act elsewhere for a big paycheck. I'd rather not have the offensive version of Tomko on a team I expect to go to the postseason with.

I don't think Liriano is completely out of the question, btw.

Wow! What got into you? Did he hit on your wife or something?

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 09:26 PM
Wow! What got into you? Did he hit on your wife or something?

You know what...can't people just take issue with the opinion and not turn it into a personal attack?

I shouldn't even dignify your attack, but here goes: he underachieves. I dislike underachievers.

KronoRed
05-07-2006, 09:29 PM
I think he is scheduled to pitch next Friday vs the Phillies, when several of us from RZ are going down. Harang pitches Wednesday and Arroyo on Thursday.

Oh Happy Day! :rolleyes:
He won last year when I went :D

Of course he was pitching for the Pirates...vs Milton :devil:

westofyou
05-07-2006, 09:29 PM
but here goes: he underachieves. I dislike underachievers.Fair enough, but you're beating on a guy achieving all season. You led the day off saying he's crap and he had 2 2b's and a HR and you can't even give him a solid on that. Seems a slight askew IMO.

KronoRed
05-07-2006, 09:29 PM
When your ERA for a game is near 9, I don't think you should get the win..IMO ;)

Falls City Beer
05-07-2006, 09:30 PM
Fair enough, but you're beating on a guy achieving all season. You led the day off saying he's crap and he had 2 2b's and a HR and you can't even give him a solid on that. Seems a slight askew IMO.

He had a great game. What else do you want from me?

Now get a pitcher for him.

westofyou
05-07-2006, 09:35 PM
He had a great game. What else do you want from me?

Now get a pitcher for him.

If he's such an underachiever I'll expect a Dave Williams type as the return

Big Klu
05-07-2006, 09:36 PM
You know what...can't people just take issue with the opinion and not turn it into a personal attack?

Sounds like good advice. Maybe you should consider heeding it.

flyer85
05-07-2006, 09:57 PM
Lopez had 2 straight ground balls hit to him, and made terrible throws on both for errors.the 2nd error was all Hatty. Go back and look at the play(I did I recorded and watched later). He does what gets him in trouble he goes out to early with his left foot instead of going in the direction he needs to to create greater range to catch the throw and keep his foot on the bag he almost always strecthes toward the fielder which limits his range and throw him off balance. Instead of waiting to see where the throw is going he goes straight out with his left foot. It effectively decreases his range by 2 feet both directions and it also what causes him to be constantly off balance because he is thrown off balance when he has to reach across his body to catch an off target throw.

It's the reason I brought up Travis Lee this week. Instead of having a first baseman that saves throwing errors(and this infield needs it), you have a 1b that actually creates errors on throws that should be caught.

PuffyPig
05-07-2006, 10:01 PM
I'll be there Saturday and Sunday. I feel sorry for the people sitting next to me.

I'm guessing that you've had a bad reacurrence of that bad gas episode.

:laugh:

PuffyPig
05-07-2006, 10:04 PM
Kearns has his SLG back up to .571. Overall numbers look like .328/.391/.571-.962 OPS.

Know that's the type of free fall I can live with....

I hope that every one of our hitters slump so badly...

KittyDuran
05-07-2006, 10:09 PM
the 2nd errors was all Hatty. So he's Batty Hatty from Cincinnati??? ;)

flyer85
05-07-2006, 10:10 PM
So he's Batty Hatty from Cincinnati??? ;)good thing he ain't my aunt.

Caveat Emperor
05-07-2006, 10:23 PM
I'm don't have a problem with the idea that Kearns be traded for pitching but he is in no way overpaid for the type of production the Reds are getting out of him.

He's been down this road before -- potential, production, and then a slide off into mediocrity. Blame injuries and overweight LOOGYs all you want, but Austin Kearns has all but completely lost the luster that he had when he broke into the bigs a few seasons back. When the team could've used him to produce and be trade fodder for pitching, he was injured or non-productive (partly by the team's own doing when they sent him to AAA).

I agree with FCB -- get him out of town while he's hot and his value is high before pitch nicks him on the finger and he loses all ability to swing a bat for 2 months.