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penantboundreds
05-08-2006, 01:25 AM
Not much to say about this, maybe I'm being nitpicky, but I don't like this quote at all. How does everyone feel about this?

"I knew a fastball was coming, and I knew it was going to be all or nothing," Dunn said. "I either open the game up or people yell at me for swinging at a bad pitch, but it worked out."

KronoRed
05-08-2006, 03:38 AM
I don't see the big deal, he's saying he knew what was coming and he was going to hammer it or miss, not saying that's what he does all the time..just then when he knew what was coming

IMO of course.

The Baumer
05-08-2006, 03:55 AM
Considering his high OBP, the comment is fine with me.

SandyD
05-08-2006, 07:25 AM
Personally, I think in general, we read too much into these kind of quotes. The man has been asked a question, and has to say something. But we have no way of knowing if the writer is providing the entire quote ... or how strongly the speaker feels about what he's saying. Or even the context in which the question was asked.

creek14
05-08-2006, 07:29 AM
Seems pretty straightforward to me. And spot on. He's either the hero or half of RedsZone (and most of the talking heads on WLW) are complaining (again) cause he K's too much.

traderumor
05-08-2006, 07:32 AM
I see plate discipline as a little bit more than swinging at hittable strikes and letting all balls go by. Plate discipline seems to be more about understanding and recognizing pitches one can hit hard against those one cannot. A 2-0 count is a "hitter's count" and if you guess fastball, which it was also mentioned that the pitch was slightly off the plate, and it is a pitch you can handle and drive, you jump on it. He did. And if he missed it, I don't think he would have gotten yelled at for swinging at such a pitch.

Redmachine2003
05-08-2006, 08:07 AM
Dunn seems to be a guess hitter so this makes since.

traderumor
05-08-2006, 08:08 AM
Dunn seems to be a guess hitter so this makes since.define "guess hitter"

Moosie52
05-08-2006, 08:18 AM
Yeah well, Adam also said he's sometimes the worst player in the league. I hope that means he can stand to hear brutal honesty without losing all confidence in his abilities.

StillFunkyB
05-08-2006, 08:23 AM
Not much to say about this, maybe I'm being nitpicky, but I don't like this quote at all. How does everyone feel about this?

"I knew a fastball was coming, and I knew it was going to be all or nothing," Dunn said. "I either open the game up or people yell at me for swinging at a bad pitch, but it worked out."

The only thing that bothers me about the quote is that he is actually thinking about it.

Just play Adam Dunn, don't think or listen to anyone except your hitting instructor.

919191
05-08-2006, 08:30 AM
I think alot of quotes are given without much thought, and are given way too much importance. I think the most boring part of sports news is player interviews.

smith288
05-08-2006, 08:40 AM
Players enjoy speaking to the media about as much as I like one-on-ones with my boss.... Just saying anything to end the interview

butlerbulldogs
05-08-2006, 09:00 AM
what is scary, is that people are worrying what dunn said in an interview, just relax and enjoy the game :)

TeamBoone
05-08-2006, 12:32 PM
I don't know for sure, but I think penantboundreds might have been alluding to this part of the quote... "people yell at me for swinging at a bad pitch".

Now, I realize that I'm speculating, but gee, no else on this board EVER does that, right?

Maybe "people" do yell at him when he swings at a bad pitch... and maybe they should stop doing that. Maybe he's trying harder not to do that and just maybe it may be contributing to his most recent slump.

Just maybe.

Just maybe, "people" should let Adam Dunn continue to do what he does best.

Falls City Beer
05-08-2006, 12:36 PM
I think the most boring part of sports news is player interviews.

No kidding.

Thank god they don't get paid for what's between their ears. "Well, I tried to pull the trite ball and it cliched off the hackneyed foul pole...."

flyer85
05-08-2006, 12:41 PM
define "guess hitter"he tries to guess what the pitcher will throw on the next pitch, some hitters only do it with no strikes others will do it even with two strikes.

BTW, Ted Williams was a "guess hitter" until he got two strikes.

bucksfan
05-08-2006, 12:50 PM
I think alot of quotes are given without much thought, and are given way too much importance. I think the most boring part of sports news is player interviews.

Bingo. I actually prefer "fluff pieces" for sports interviews, because at least then the players are not expected to say the "one correct answer" that everyone wants to hear.

BCubb2003
05-08-2006, 01:22 PM
On another note, Jerry Narron the other day referred to "pretty much our regular lineup" and I wanted to cheer.

Chip R
05-08-2006, 01:33 PM
I don't know for sure, but I think penantboundreds might have been alluding to this part of the quote... "people yell at me for swinging at a bad pitch".


I would think that phrase is the one that was troubling. It made me think too. But one thing we need to remember is that Adam has a puckish sense of humor. We weren't there when he was quoted about that. We didn't see the expression on his face when he said that. He could have just been joking about people yelling at him. I'm sure there are fans that yell at him when he strikes out but I would hope he tunes those people out. If he listened to everything the fans yelled at him, he'd be a mess. I would hope Narron doesn't yell at him when he strikes out. Hopefully he was just being self-deprecating and making a joke out of him striking out a lot.

traderumor
05-08-2006, 01:54 PM
he tries to guess what the pitcher will throw on the next pitch, some hitters only do it with no strikes others will do it even with two strikes.

BTW, Ted Williams was a "guess hitter" until he got two strikes.

I have a definition of a "guess hitter." I was wanting to know what the original poster meant by that term.

REDREAD
05-08-2006, 02:16 PM
To me, he was kind of joking around, saying, "Well, I knew I'd be the hero or goat, and I went for it".

Redmachine2003
05-08-2006, 07:31 PM
What I meant by a Guess hitter is that Dunn is going up there looking for a certain pitch and he is guessing when the pitcher might throw it. This is why he swings at pitches he couldn't hit with ironing board and he takes so many good pitches, hence the high strike outs. He doesn't have the bat control and his swing is to long to adjust his swing and make contact if he guesses wrong. With two strikes he won't choke up on the bat and shorten his swing and try to drive the ball the other way.

George Foster
05-08-2006, 11:59 PM
With the bases loaded and up in the count 2-0, if he wasen't swinging he'd be crazy. Everyone new what was coming......MEAT!! Dunn is a major league hitter and he made the pitcher pay for getting down in the count.

Ron Madden
05-09-2006, 04:41 AM
[QUOTE=Redmachine2003]What I meant by a Guess hitter is that Dunn is going up there looking for a certain pitch and he is guessing when the pitcher might throw it. This is why he swings at pitches he couldn't hit with ironing board and he takes so many good pitches, hence the high strike outs. He doesn't have the bat control and his swing is to long to adjust his swing and make contact if he guesses wrong. With two strikes he won't choke up on the bat and shorten his swing and try to drive the ball the other way.[/QUOTE

I think you are missing the point on what makes Adam Dunn a productive hitter.

Far too many hitters swing at pitches just because they can hit'em.

The best and most productive hitters wait for a pitch they can drive/ hit hard.

Redmachine2003
05-09-2006, 05:00 PM
[QUOTE=Redmachine2003]What I meant by a Guess hitter is that Dunn is going up there looking for a certain pitch and he is guessing when the pitcher might throw it. This is why he swings at pitches he couldn't hit with ironing board and he takes so many good pitches, hence the high strike outs. He doesn't have the bat control and his swing is to long to adjust his swing and make contact if he guesses wrong. With two strikes he won't choke up on the bat and shorten his swing and try to drive the ball the other way.[/QUOTE

I think you are missing the point on what makes Adam Dunn a productive hitter.

Far too many hitters swing at pitches just because they can hit'em.

The best and most productive hitters wait for a pitch they can drive/ hit hard.The problem is Dunn doesn't do that. Dunn mind is made up if he is going to swing before the pitcher even throws the ball. That is what I mean by guess hitter. Good hitters wait on their pitch and have a quick and short enough swing to recognize the pitch that they want and swing, Dunn can't do that with his swing that is why he doesn't foul off alot pitches when he get two strikes on him.

Spitball
05-09-2006, 07:04 PM
Dunn seems to be a guess hitter so this makes since.

I think the term guess hitter is an over-used term. All batters are anticipating or "guessing" certain pitches and locations in given situations. Unless the batter is a total nitwit, how could they help not guess/anticipate?

The count is obviously important. Certainly there are favorable fastball counts. If Dunn has a pitcher in a hitter's/fastball count, he is most certainly looking for a fastball to drive. That is what he is paid to do. Now, if he is in a hole, he is not looking fastball because the pitcher is going to be trying to get him out with sliders/breaking balls off the corners.

There are other factors that dictate what Dunn or any batter are looking for such as runners on base, score, inning, as well as pitcher's/batter's history.

TeamBoone
05-09-2006, 07:29 PM
Dunn mind is made up if he is going to swing before the pitcher even throws the ball. That is what I mean by guess hitter. Good hitters wait on their pitch and have a quick and short enough swing to recognize the pitch that they want and swing, Dunn can't do that with his swing that is why he doesn't foul off alot pitches when he get two strikes on him.

If he makes up his mind before the ball is thrown whether or not to swing, there's no way he would walk as much as he does.

He is a good hitter, and he does wait for his pitch. He's known and lauded for his good eye and patience at the plate.

In addition, he's often taken the count to 3-2 after going 0-2 to begin with.

Are we watching the same player?

Redmachine2003
05-09-2006, 08:37 PM
[QUOTE=Redmachine2003]

If he makes up his mind before the ball is thrown whether or not to swing, there's no way he would walk as much as he does.

He is a good hitter, and he does wait for his pitch. He's known and lauded for his good eye and patience at the plate.

In addition, he's often taken the count to 3-2 after going 0-2 to begin with.

Are we watching the same player? And this is why he leads the league in SO's and his career avg is below .250. The Reason why he goes 0-2 so much is he takes to many good pitches right down the middle of the plate.

penantboundreds
05-10-2006, 09:10 PM
yeah i was troubled by the quote because of the fact that in a 2-0 count you do go to be the hero, but i think if people (that matter) our yelling at dunn for taking his cuts at the fence in that situation then something is wrong there