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saboforthird
05-09-2006, 08:57 PM
Is Claussen the second coming of Milton? His WHIP and OAVG are significantly worse than Milton's. :D

Aronchis
05-09-2006, 08:57 PM
One of those games you want to forgot, bad play across the board..........is it only of things to come?:help:

Falls City Beer
05-09-2006, 08:58 PM
Well you got your wish.

I don't know why everyone loves Belisle so much. He ain't a reliever.

My assumption is that Belisle is the long man out of the bullpen. That's why I called for him.

Redmachine2003
05-09-2006, 08:58 PM
This team needs a wakeup call before they go into a deep funk.

OnBaseMachine
05-09-2006, 08:59 PM
Well you got your wish.

I don't know why everyone loves Belisle so much. He ain't a reliever.

It wasn't really his fault. LaRue extended the inning with a passed ball, plus the ump screwed him by calling a pitch on the outside corner a ball. He called the same exact pitch a strike just one pitch earlier. This has been one of the worst umps I have ever seen.

Mario-Rijo
05-09-2006, 08:59 PM
This has the makings of a thumpin' if you ask me. Claussen vs. those RH's all of whom have plenty of pop. If Brandon holds these guys to 3 or less I will be shocked! Plus Armas has only walked 5 this year. Hmmm we'll see.



I hate to say I told ME so! Of course I did have the foresight to start Jose Guillen in my fantasy league.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:00 PM
Lopez reaches on an infield single.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:01 PM
FeLo hustles out a hit

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:02 PM
Dunn walks on 4 pitches. I am amazed that ump found 4 straight pitches he thought were balls.

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 09:03 PM
Dunn walks...

....maybe this will spark something :pray:

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:03 PM
Dunn walks

Come on EE

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Mr. OBP on deck...come on EE, you have to be the man here.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:06 PM
Encarnacion hit by a pitch on the wrist. Bases loaded with no outs.

CrackerJack
05-09-2006, 09:07 PM
wrist band saved EE - i hope

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:07 PM
Ouch!

flyer85
05-09-2006, 09:07 PM
hope EE didn't break his wrist

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:07 PM
Pitching change.

Joey Eischen in to pitch.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:07 PM
EE hit on the hand. I hope he is ok. lol the kids reactions make me crack up though.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:08 PM
Ken Griffey Jr. said he still felt a slight twinge while testing his injured knee on Tuesday. He remains day-to-day.
Although he wasn't quite ready to come off the disabled list tonight, it still figures to happen soon. "I feel like I'm turning the corner," he said. "I just need to feel comfortable going out there day-in and day-out."


Translation...3-4 more weeks.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:09 PM
hope EE didn't break his wrist

Me too.

Contingency plan: Freel from CF to 3B, Denorfia to CF. But hopefully it won't be necessary.

flyer85
05-09-2006, 09:10 PM
no DP

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:10 PM
Ken Griffey Jr. said he still felt a slight twinge while testing his injured knee on Tuesday. He remains day-to-day.
Although he wasn't quite ready to come off the disabled list tonight, it still figures to happen soon. "I feel like I'm turning the corner," he said. "I just need to feel comfortable going out there day-in and day-out."


Translation...3-4 more weeks.
For some reason, I was thinking this might be 'it' for Junior. Maybe this is just his body telling him no more.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:10 PM
Giving up on your team after a suprising start THAT NO ONE EXPECTED - is absolutely insane.

Just enjoy the ride. We aren't the Pirates and we aren't the Royals and record-wise we are supposively one of the top teams in baseball.

Sure, stats and trends may send us back to earth, but we knew from the beginning - the offense will carry the pitching and defense. That's it.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:11 PM
Swing the bat Scott.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:11 PM
For some reason, I was thinking this might be 'it' for Junior. Maybe this is just his body telling him no more.

As much as I'd like to see Junior go out in a blaze of glory, he's probably going to burn out and go away like the embers of day-old campfire.

Sad.

flyer85
05-09-2006, 09:11 PM
gotta love Hunter

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:12 PM
Hatteberg hits a sac. fly to right. 6-1.

Pitching change.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:12 PM
Sf

6-1

OnBaseMachine
05-09-2006, 09:12 PM
3-1 pitch to Hatteberg was a ball on Guillen. Ray Charles would make a better umpire than this guy.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:13 PM
The Cat in the Hatte with the Sac Fly to RF. Lopez scores.

6-1 Nationals.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:14 PM
Am I the only one fired up that Hatte didn't roll a pair on that AB?

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:15 PM
Gary Majewski in to pitch.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:15 PM
Time for a scoreboard update -

NL - PIT 3, ARZ 0, 8th, ATL 5, FLA 1, 6th, PHIL 3, METS 2, 5th.
AL - BOS 10, YANKS 3, 6th, DET 5, BAL 4, 7th, MIN 10, TEX 0, 4th, CHISOX 6, LAA 1, 4th

NBA - DET 81, CLE 60 4th

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:16 PM
Kearns strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

flyer85
05-09-2006, 09:17 PM
AK misses a hanger

CrackerJack
05-09-2006, 09:17 PM
Hooow did Austin miss that one? At least he showed a little emotion there. :)

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:17 PM
He's gotta drill that pitch.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:17 PM
Wow?

That was a fatty and Kearns missed it.

Terrible.

OnBaseMachine
05-09-2006, 09:17 PM
Bases loaded, 0 outs, and a 3-0 count and only one run. Only the Reds. Only the Reds.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Wow?

That was a fatty and Kearns missed it.

Terrible.

Aftereffects of WBC pitching by Majewski.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Hooow did Austin miss that one?

I wondered the exact same thing. Majewski got away with one, there.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Phillips reaches on an infield single. Bases loaded for Larue.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Bases loaded, 0 outs, and a 3-0 count and only one run. Only the Reds. Only the Reds.
Reverse psych works again. Thanks Zimmerman.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Infield hit for BP

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 09:18 PM
Phillips infield single keeps the inning alive

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:19 PM
*doink*

CrackerJack
05-09-2006, 09:19 PM
another TERRIBLE K call

flyer85
05-09-2006, 09:19 PM
ump is killing me

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Strike 2 - a bit high.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:20 PM
C'mon Big LaRue - big hit now.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:20 PM
That's game...let's go Rockies.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:20 PM
Larue grounds into a 4-6 fielder's choice. 6-1 Nationals after 7.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:20 PM
M
I
A

George Foster
05-09-2006, 09:20 PM
This team seems to be in a...........Funk!

flyer85
05-09-2006, 09:21 PM
always interesting watching a game when you really have no clue what is a strike until the ump decides to make a call

redsrule2500
05-09-2006, 09:21 PM
What Happened To Our Offense>>>>we Have Nothing Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:21 PM
What Happened To Our Offense>>>>we Have Nothing Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get well Junior

Falls City Beer
05-09-2006, 09:21 PM
M
I
A

We get it. They're slumping. No team scores 6.5 runs a game. It's normal. It was going to happen.

Worry about the team giving up six runs to the Nationals.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:22 PM
no wonder HP Ump sucks - its Hunter Wendelstedt.

Just because your dad was a decent umpire, doesn't make you blessed to be a good umpire.

Tommorrow Angel Hernandez is behind the plate and we get Randy Marsh on Thursday.

Not pretty folks.

red-in-la
05-09-2006, 09:23 PM
Why this manager carries THREE catchers so that Jason (more strike outs than RBI's) LaRue can continue to bat against RH pitchers is so beyond me as to almost be Jack McKeon-ish.

Yet another chance to turn the tables on a rotten team goes by the boards because Narron has no clue......

This guy is making be long for Bob Boone and that is NOT a good sign.

George Foster
05-09-2006, 09:23 PM
What is LaRue's lifetime batting avg. with runner's in scoring position?

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:24 PM
LeCroy doubles off the top of the wall in right.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:24 PM
We get it. They're slumping. No team scores 6.5 runs a game. It's normal. It was going to happen.

Worry about the team giving up six runs to the Nationals.
The pitching is well, the pitching. It is going to suck.

If this teams continues not to hit it will get really bad really fast.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:24 PM
nice hanger on the 2-2 pitch. Yeesh.

Its looking like Arroyo and Harang and pray for rain.

KYRed
05-09-2006, 09:25 PM
Wow, Guillen came in with 3 homers & leaves with 5, and then LeCroy comes in homerless and end up just inches short of a 2 homer night.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:25 PM
The pitching is well, the pitching. It is going to suck.

If this teams continues not to hit it will get really bad really fast.

Sounds like I read that this year in the Sporting News Baseball preview magazine.

Falls City Beer
05-09-2006, 09:25 PM
If this teams continues not to hit it will get really bad really fast.

They'll hit again. Count on it.

They'll likely not pitch again, unless the roster has a massive overhaul.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:25 PM
I think Narron has been ok so far. He's been hamstrung with the middle IF and catching obsurdity bestowed upon him by Krivsky. Though I agree, I'd like to see Javy see some more time. And I have no clue why Hatteberg hits 5th. None whatsoever. I think he is afraid to swing.

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2006, 09:26 PM
Why this manager carries THREE catchers so that Jason (more strike outs than RBI's) LaRue can continue to bat against RH pitchers is so beyond me as to almost be Jack McKeon-ish.

Yet another chance to turn the tables on a rotten team goes by the boards because Narron has no clue......

This guy is making be long for Bob Boone and that is NOT a good sign.

LaRue is our best offensive catcher.The only alternative is Valentin who has done nothing all year.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:26 PM
Clayton grounds out to short. Runner goes to 3rd. 1 out.

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:26 PM
That SAC fly was a real rally killer.

What really burns is that it was 3-0, and 3-1 pitch wasn't a strike.

Hatteberg got a pitch he could hit, tagged it, but right at someone. Instead of a 6-1 ballgame with the bases loaded and no one out, they had the same five run deficit but with one out and a double play possibility.

Baseball's funny that way, and SAC flies are horrifically overrated.

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 09:26 PM
Why this manager carries THREE catchers so that Jason (more strike outs than RBI's) LaRue can continue to bat against RH pitchers is so beyond me as to almost be Jack McKeon-ish.

Yet another chance to turn the tables on a rotten team goes by the boards because Narron has no clue......

This guy is making be long for Bob Boone and that is NOT a good sign.

That clueless manager has this club in first place and one of the best records in baseball. Let's not jump on his case until it's really merited. No manager is perfect, but he deserves more credit than blame at this point.

I'm not sure how the team carrying 3 catchers is Jerry Narron's fault anyway...

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:27 PM
They'll hit again. Count on it.

They'll likely not pitch again, unless the roster has a massive overhaul.
Why because it has a career utility man leading off?
Or the guy who can't hit with RISP hitting 3rd?
or the guy who doesn't drive in any runs batting 5th?
or the .220 career hitter batting 7th?


I think it will be ok too, but there are troublesome trends happening.

George Foster
05-09-2006, 09:27 PM
I think Narron has been ok so far. He's been hamstrung with the middle IF and catching obsurdity bestowed upon him by Krivsky. Though I agree, I'd like to see Javy see some more time. And I have no clue why Hatteberg hits 5th. None whatsoever. I think he is afraid to swing.

I think Hatte only swings at good pitches, I wish the rest of the team had his patience.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:28 PM
I think Narron has been ok so far. He's been hamstrung with the middle IF and catching obsurdity bestowed upon him by Krivsky. Though I agree, I'd like to see Javy see some more time. And I have no clue why Hatteberg hits 5th. None whatsoever. I think he is afraid to swing.

I think Narron's got a little more say in personnel matters than most other managers. Until WayneK gets a FULL offseason AND draft under his belt, I reserve the right to pass on judgement. WayneK's making deals, that aren't Bowden-esque, but he's not tossing his hands up or smiling like a Cheshire Cat like DanO (insert picture here, Krono) with absolutely no clue how to run a baseball front office.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:28 PM
Why this manager carries THREE catchers so that Jason (more strike outs than RBI's) LaRue can continue to bat against RH pitchers is so beyond me as to almost be Jack McKeon-ish.

Yet another chance to turn the tables on a rotten team goes by the boards because Narron has no clue......

This guy is making be long for Bob Boone and that is NOT a good sign.

When the club carries only five position players on the bench, it limits the number of player-for-player substitutions you can make, since the position players usually have to be saved either for pinch-hitting for the pitchers or for double-switches involving the pitchers.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Chris Hammond is in to pitch.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Chris Hammond ERA-Meter: 10.13

redsrule2500
05-09-2006, 09:30 PM
Why this manager carries THREE catchers so that Jason (more strike outs than RBI's) LaRue can continue to bat against RH pitchers is so beyond me as to almost be Jack McKeon-ish.

Yet another chance to turn the tables on a rotten team goes by the boards because Narron has no clue......

This guy is making be long for Bob Boone and that is NOT a good sign.

Jack McKeon ??? I remember 96 Wins with him. :)

OnBaseMachine
05-09-2006, 09:30 PM
Or the guy who can't hit with RISP hitting 3rd?


False.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:31 PM
This sign just went up in the moon deck.

http://www.derf.net/elsewhere/20030609_silly_warning_signs/notice.png

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:31 PM
Chris Hammond ERA-Meter: 9.72

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:31 PM
Anderson grounds out to the pitcher. 2 outs.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:32 PM
Byrd flies out to right. 6-1 Nationals mid 8th.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:32 PM
Chris Hammond ERA-Meter: 9.35

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:33 PM
I think Hatte only swings at good pitches, I wish the rest of the team had his patience.

I was ecstatic that he hit a rally-killing sac fly, b/c I would have bet the farm on a DP. He hits 5th and that was his 6th RBI.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:34 PM
Chris Hammond ERA-Meter: 9.35

when it gets to 8.00....sell.

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:34 PM
Why because it has a career utility man leading off?
Or the guy who can't hit with RISP hitting 3rd?
or the guy who doesn't drive in any runs batting 5th?
or the .220 career hitter batting 7th?


I think it will be ok too, but there are troublesome trends happening.

You have got to be one of the most mercurial posters ever.:laugh:

You can't live and die with every pitch, modest win streak, or modest slump.

It's a long season, be careful not to burn yourself out.

George Foster
05-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Jack McKeon ??? I remember 96 Wins with him. :)

I don't think trader Jack had a losing season with the Reds or the Marlins..did he? Oh... and their was the World Series thing in O3.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Tom Gordon just choked on a cheesesteak...4-4 bottom 9.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Stanton in to pitch.

Denorfia pinch hits. Error on Zimmerman.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Deno showing speed.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:35 PM
You have got to be one of the most mercurial posters ever.:laugh:

You can't live and die with every pitch, modest win streak, or modest slump.

It's a long season, be careful not to burn yourself out.

you mean over a 162 game season, that we shouldn't be packing our bags before Memorial Day??? :shocking:

;)

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:36 PM
You have got to be one of the most mercurial posters ever.:laugh:

You can't live and die with every pitch, modest win streak, or modest slump.

It's a long season, be careful not to burn yourself out.
Yes I freak out way too much. I just wanna win.

BoydsOfSummer
05-09-2006, 09:36 PM
hammonds throw to first was 7mph faster than his delivery right before.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:36 PM
1 out

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:37 PM
when it gets to 8.00....sell.

Mr. Valentine has set the price.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f7/Eddie_murphy.jpg/200px-Eddie_murphy.jpg

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:37 PM
Freel lines out to Zimmerman. 1 out.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:39 PM
Lopez flies out to center. 2 outs.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:39 PM
2 out

George Foster
05-09-2006, 09:39 PM
I was ecstatic that he hit a rally-killing sac fly, b/c I would have bet the farm on a DP. He hits 5th and that was his 6th RBI.

He hit a line-drive on the button that was caught. I'm not questioning you about his position in the line-up, but you said he was "afraid" to swing, which doesen't make a lot of sense when he his known throughtout baseball to have a great eye at the plate. He dosen't swing at bad pitches very often.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:40 PM
Dunn lines out to 1st. 6-1 Nationals after 8.

smith288
05-09-2006, 09:40 PM
Freel is the suck right now...

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:40 PM
3 out

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
Yes I freak out way too much. I just wanna win.

Some folks might not believe this, but once I started doing yoga I got all Zen or something.

It's really amazing how much more I enjoy things now that I've given up muttering and groaning about all of the bad stuff.

It's all about breathing.

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
Dunn and Freel crushed those balls....they just were hit at people.

That's the way tonight is, unfortunately

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
Freel is hitting .228

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:41 PM
He hit a line-drive on the button that was caught. I'm not questioning you about his position in the line-up, but you said he was "afraid" to swing, which doesen't make a lot of sense when he his known throughtout baseball to have a great eye at the plate. He dosen't swing at bad pitches very often.

For someone who waits for that perfect pitch, he doesn't get many XBHs.

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:43 PM
Freel is hitting .228

On the other hand, his OBP is still in the high .370's.

He brings more to the plate than singles.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:43 PM
Brian Shackelford in to pitch.

Vidro strikes out looking. 1 out.

Aronchis
05-09-2006, 09:44 PM
On the other hand, his OBP is still in the high .370's.

He brings more to the plate than singles.

He hasn't even brought that lately. That number will continue to fall.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:44 PM
Freel is hitting .228

When Chris Hammond's ERA equals Freel's OPS, I'll either be absolutely pissed off or happy or both.

And Jimmy Fallon dancing on cars for a Pepsi commerical is just as bad as the guy next to Tina Fay on Weekend Update on SNL. ;)

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:44 PM
On the other hand, his OBP is still in the high .370's.

He brings more to the plate than singles.
It is around .100 in May.

Shack is good. I would like to see him pitch in games that are not 6-1.

Heath
05-09-2006, 09:45 PM
It is around .100 in May.

Shack is good. I would like to see him pitch in games that are not 6-1.


I would. Especially when it's 6-1 Reds.

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:45 PM
For someone who waits for that perfect pitch, he doesn't get many XBHs.

I still think he was the perfect hitter in that situation.

He went up there with an approach that really worked, but he didn't get the cooperation of the umpire.

He still got a pitch he could drive, and did so. Unfortunately, it was playable.

Things like that happen in baseball.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:45 PM
Soriano just homered on the roof of the batters eye in center. 7-1.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:45 PM
oh boy

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 09:46 PM
If you're going to give up an Earned Run (which I believe Shack just did for the first time)....might as well make it good!

:)

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:46 PM
He hasn't even brought that lately. That number will continue to fall.

There's nothing in his career numbers that would suggest that.

He's in a slump, he'll come out of it.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:47 PM
That was a friggin

http://z.about.com/d/inventors/1/0/Z/9/nuke2.jpg

Redmachine2003
05-09-2006, 09:47 PM
It has been a suckie night all together for the Reds even the farm system had nothing to get excited about.

oneupper
05-09-2006, 09:47 PM
On the other hand, his OBP is still in the high .370's.

He brings more to the plate than singles.


He's doing a repeat of his ST performance. His OPS in May is .280.
Harang is doing better.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:47 PM
Johnson lines out to center. 2 outs.

KronoRed
05-09-2006, 09:49 PM
Bat Hatte leadoff :D

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:49 PM
I still think he was the perfect hitter in that situation.

He went up there with an approach that really worked, but he didn't get the cooperation of the umpire.

He still got a pitch he could drive, and did so. Unfortunately, it was playable.

Things like that happen in baseball.

I just can't agree, and I know I have near coronaries on other threads about this subject. The perfect approach would be for him to find a gap in that situation. If his approach is to walk, then I would rather not have him up.

BoydsOfSummer
05-09-2006, 09:49 PM
eegads....that was a big boy hit

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:50 PM
Guillen strikes out looking. 7-1 Nationals mid 9th.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:50 PM
Sheets to the 15 day DL.

reds44
05-09-2006, 09:50 PM
Sheets to the 15 day DL.
shocking

Redmachine2003
05-09-2006, 09:50 PM
You know the Park is going to get blamed for these homers but these shots tonight were just bad pitching.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 09:51 PM
And I've had enough of this saga. I might hate this guy more than Bonds.

Roger Clemens indicated to KRIV-TV in Houston that he has the go-ahead from his family to return to pitch this season.

"I can tell you the latest is probably the family is warming up to it again," Clemens said. "Even my two little ones who did not want Dad to go out there are talking about it again, which I knew that would happen once they were seeing all my friends out there playing with Houston." Clemens still isn't ready to make a decision, though. June 15 has been the target date for his agents. "I'm not too far away physically, but mentally I'm nowhere close," he said

wheels
05-09-2006, 09:52 PM
I just can't agree, and I know I have near coronaries on other threads about this subject. The perfect approach would be for him to find a gap in that situation. If his approach is to walk, then I would rather not have him up.

So you would rather he swung at one of those Eischen offerings in the dirt.

Maybe make contact and roll into a DP?


Not really a solid strategy.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:52 PM
Jon Rauch in to pitch.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:53 PM
E-3 on the foul pop.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:53 PM
Encarnacion strikes out looking. 1 out.

oneupper
05-09-2006, 09:54 PM
Encarnacion strikes out looking. 1 out.

EdE not happy with the call.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:55 PM
Hatteberg strikes out looking. 2 outs.

oneupper
05-09-2006, 09:56 PM
Hatteberg not happy either.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 09:56 PM
EdE not happy with the call.

The Cat in the Hatte not happy, either.

KronoRed
05-09-2006, 09:57 PM
Automated calls please.

Reds Fanatic
05-09-2006, 09:57 PM
Kearns grounds out to short. Reds lose 7-1.

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2006, 09:58 PM
I just can't agree, and I know I have near coronaries on other threads about this subject. The perfect approach would be for him to find a gap in that situation. If his approach is to walk, then I would rather not have him up.

Gotta agree with Wheels on this one.

To get back in the game we primarily need some baserunners, so going up willing to take a walk is a good thing. He took 3 balls, and then took a very close strike 2 that many (including myself) thought was a ball. He then lined one very hard and as luck would have it was caught. It could have just as easily been a 2-run double down the line. hatteberg is completely blameless IMO. He had a very good at-bat. Unfortunately, when you hit the ball in play and it's not a HR it can become a bit of a crap-shoot.

oneupper
05-09-2006, 09:58 PM
Automated calls please.

Robo-UMP, Robo-UMP!!

oneupper
05-09-2006, 09:59 PM
Crummy game. No one even wants to talk about it.

Matt700wlw
05-09-2006, 10:00 PM
Game over. Forget about it, move on.

Harang on the hill tomorrow

wheels
05-09-2006, 10:01 PM
Gotta agree with Wheels on this one.

To get back in the game we primarily need some baserunners, so going up willing to take a walk is a good thing. He took 3 balls, and then took a very close strike 2 that many (including myself) thought was a ball. He then lined one very hard and as luck would have it was caught. It could have just as easily been a 2-run double down the line. hatteberg is completely blameless IMO. He had a very good at-bat. Unfortunately, when you hit the ball in play and it's not a HR it can become a bit of a crap-shoot.

Very well put.

...And agreeing with me can go a long way too.:p:

TheBigLebowski
05-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Well...this is one of 162 games, but a disappointing loss. We have the hapless nats at home and lose the first by 6 runs.

Gotta get the remaining 2. Forgive me for being paranoid but, we're now 2-4 in our last 6, and this franchise has teased its fanbase with unexpected hot starts before.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Gotta agree with Wheels on this one.

To get back in the game we primarily need some baserunners, so going up willing to take a walk is a good thing. He took 3 balls, and then took a very close strike 2 that many (including myself) thought was a ball. He then lined one very hard and as luck would have it was caught. It could have just as easily been a 2-run double down the line. hatteberg is completely blameless IMO. He had a very good at-bat. Unfortunately, when you hit the ball in play and it's not a HR it can become a bit of a crap-shoot.

If this wasn't the norm, I would agree. I don't think many people (except maybe Mrs. Hatte) saw him driving the ball into the gap. And if that would be a rarity, then he needs to be dropped in the order. It's just my opinion and I would rather have someone hitting a 2 or 3 run double then hoping that Hatteberg fouls off enough pitches to work a walk.

Heath
05-09-2006, 10:02 PM
Sheets to the 15 day DL.

next you will tell me that the sky is blue & the grass is green.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. :D

wheels
05-09-2006, 10:02 PM
I haven't read through the entire thread, so hopefully someone can bring me up to speed.

Am I just imagining people jumping ship, or is it really starting to happen?

I was still under the impression that it was fun being a baseball fan.

Redeye fly
05-09-2006, 10:03 PM
And I've had enough of this saga. I might hate this guy more than Bonds.

Roger Clemens indicated to KRIV-TV in Houston that he has the go-ahead from his family to return to pitch this season.

"I can tell you the latest is probably the family is warming up to it again," Clemens said. "Even my two little ones who did not want Dad to go out there are talking about it again, which I knew that would happen once they were seeing all my friends out there playing with Houston." Clemens still isn't ready to make a decision, though. June 15 has been the target date for his agents. "I'm not too far away physically, but mentally I'm nowhere close," he said

I don't know,it's hard to hate Clemens more than Bonds. There is the "make a decision" already factor, and I guess Clemens does look a little bit like a male prima donna or male diva to some. But he's at least a decent guy and a good family man who seems infinitely more likeable than Bonds. Plus, it's not like he's really kind of holding the Astros hostage or in limbo like Brett Favre (who also does seem like a good guy) did with the Packers. Clemens would be just another piece for the Astros, a great piece, but not necessarily a piece they can't do without.

Plus, I remember when about halfway through the WBC Bonds was saying he might want to play in it. If he had, and if they had let him, they would have had to have send someone else home who wanted to represent the country from the start.

Of course, it's not like everyone on that team didn't go home or back to spring training pretty quickly anyway. But still..

Topcat
05-09-2006, 10:05 PM
Very well put.

...And agreeing with me can go a long way too.:p:

Lol :beerme: could you be a little more vague?;)

KronoRed
05-09-2006, 10:06 PM
Robo-UMP, Robo-UMP!!
Would you argue with this guy?
http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/terminator-thumb.jpg

Heath
05-09-2006, 10:07 PM
Game over. Forget about it, move on.

Harang on the hill tomorrow

To quote John Cleese -

"and now, for something completely different".

Heath
05-09-2006, 10:08 PM
I haven't read through the entire thread, so hopefully someone can bring me up to speed.

Am I just imagining people jumping ship, or is it really starting to happen?

I was still under the impression that it was fun being a baseball fan.

That's because you must have been watching "Yoga with Yogi" :D

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2006, 10:08 PM
If this wasn't the norm, I would agree. I don't think many people (except maybe Mrs. Hatte) saw him driving the ball into the gap. And if that would be a rarity, then he needs to be dropped in the order. It's just my opinion and I would rather have someone hitting a 2 or 3 run double then hoping that Hatteberg fouls off enough pitches to work a walk.

Well he hit the ball very hard. What more can you expect? He did everything he needed to do to have a successful at-bat, but simply ran into bad luck.

red-in-la
05-09-2006, 10:09 PM
Would you argue with this guy?
http://www.edge-online.co.uk/archives/terminator-thumb.jpg

That is a Terminator, not Robo-Cop...uh, er....Robo-Ump

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 10:11 PM
I don't know,it's hard to hate Clemens more than Bonds. There is the "make a decision" already factor, and I guess Clemens does look a little bit like a male prima donna or male diva to some. But he's at least a decent guy and a good family man who seems infinitely more likeable than Bonds. Plus, it's not like he's really kind of holding the Astros hostage or in limbo like Brett Favre (who also does seem like a good guy) did with the Packers. Clemens would be just another piece for the Astros, a great piece, but not necessarily a piece they can't do without.

Plus, I remember when about halfway through the WBC Bonds was saying he might want to play in it. If he had, and if they had let him, they would have had to have send someone else home who wanted to represent the country from the start.

Of course, it's not like everyone on that team didn't go home or back to spring training pretty quickly anyway. But still..

Agreed, but Clemens did pull a Favre during the offseason and with the Bagwell insurance scam going on, I think Houston was kind of clueless as to their role in the FA market. Plus, this guy is just waiting to see if any of the three teams (Bos, NY and Hou) pull ahead and look like the best chance at a WS. Then he'll make a decision, saying it was tough but his heart has always been in _____ (insert 1st place team name here). He's just such a fake I can't deal with him. I think it has something with me living in the NY area hearing all his BS about how his hamstrings hurt after he got shelled or when he would be scared to pitch in Shea after the Piazza fiasco.

Gainesville Red
05-09-2006, 10:12 PM
I would love for, after all the Hoopla, Clemens absolutley takes a team to the bank, and gets freakin shelled like no pitcher before ever has.

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 10:12 PM
Well he hit the ball very hard. What more can you expect? He did everything he needed to do to have a successful at-bat, but simply ran into bad luck.

Agreed 100%. But it's not only that AB. It's his whole season so far, with his total of 6 RBI hitting primarily 5th.

smith288
05-09-2006, 10:15 PM
I dont care whos on the hill tomorrow... this offense is anemic right now. Harang will need to do his infamous RISP hitting to get any run support.

Big Klu
05-09-2006, 10:19 PM
No changes tonight.


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Wally Post - 172
10. Adam Dunn - 170
11. Gus Bell - 160
12. Joe Morgan - 152
12. Pete Rose - 152
14. Lee May - 147
15. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 140
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

red-in-la
05-09-2006, 10:19 PM
That clueless manager has this club in first place and one of the best records in baseball. Let's not jump on his case until it's really merited. No manager is perfect, but he deserves more credit than blame at this point.

I'm not sure how the team carrying 3 catchers is Jerry Narron's fault anyway...

I prefer to point out the obvious no matter what the record is. The Reds have a good record because of two pitchers and a couple of way over-ther-heads weeks by a couple of players.

I said it a week ago.....this club will be just ahead of the Pirates by mid-June of not before.

The starting pitching is so shallow as to look like a pond in Oklahoma in July. The offense is one dimensional with JR out. With him in, it is two dimensional....or one dimensional times two.

Freel is no everyday player, been saying it for a long time. Phillips got figured out by NL pitching caoches after a week....and Lopez is doing all he can....it it ain't enough.

To me, the offense has been slowing down since LaRue came off the DL....and Narron plays the guy 5 days a week.....awful. Valentin should start against almost ALL right handers.....and adds a great deal to the offense.

Freel shouldn't play more than 3 times a week....let Denorfia play the rest of the time.....see what happens before they are 5 games back.

Just sayin'

Redeye fly
05-09-2006, 10:25 PM
Agreed, but Clemens did pull a Favre during the offseason and with the Bagwell insurance scam going on, I think Houston was kind of clueless as to their role in the FA market. Plus, this guy is just waiting to see if any of the three teams (Bos, NY and Hou) pull ahead and look like the best chance at a WS. Then he'll make a decision, saying it was tough but his heart has always been in _____ (insert 1st place team name here). He's just such a fake I can't deal with him. I think it has something with me living in the NY area hearing all his BS about how his hamstrings hurt after he got shelled or when he would be scared to pitch in Shea after the Piazza fiasco.

Well, I get where you're coming from and it sounds like you've had a little bit more "up close" exposure to him than me.

I don't know if he really hasn't decided which team he would go to though. I think his statement about his kids watching his friends in Houston playing is a little bit telling. I definitely think that is where he's leaning toward anyway.Plus I do respect the guy for talking things over with his family.

I remember when we had made the trade for Kenny Rogers a few years back and thanks partially to steriod/viagra spokesman Raffy JimBo got the dregs that were Brian Moehler and Shawn Estes. But I also remember Rogers saying he was going to have to talk it over with his wife and Tracy Jones ripping him on Extra Innings for that. I mean, I could kind of see both sides and I actually did feel like Rogers was kind of using that as an excuse not to come here. But on the other hand, family is much more important than baseball, in the grand scheme of things, and he knew what effect it would have on his family more than Tracy Jones did sitting and ranting in Cincy.

wheels
05-09-2006, 10:26 PM
That's because you must have been watching "Yoga with Yogi" :D

:laugh:

edabbs44
05-09-2006, 10:36 PM
Well, I get where you're coming from and it sounds like you've had a little bit more "up close" exposure to him than me.

I don't know if he really hasn't decided which team he would go to though. I think his statement about his kids watching his friends in Houston playing is a little bit telling. I definitely think that is where he's leaning toward anyway.Plus I do respect the guy for talking things over with his family.

I remember when we had made the trade for Kenny Rogers a few years back and thanks partially to steriod/viagra spokesman Raffy JimBo got the dregs that were Brian Moehler and Shawn Estes. But I also remember Rogers saying he was going to have to talk it over with his wife and Tracy Jones ripping him on Extra Innings for that. I mean, I could kind of see both sides and I actually did feel like Rogers was kind of using that as an excuse not to come here. But on the other hand, family is much more important than baseball, in the grand scheme of things, and he knew what effect it would have on his family more than Tracy Jones did sitting and ranting in Cincy.

The family thing is valid, but he talks it over with his family every single year. And every year his family wants him to play. Was his family being held captive by NL Central rebels for the past 6 months? Couldn't he have spoken to them a few months ago?

traderumor
05-09-2006, 10:42 PM
I see no reason to make Brandon Claussen a part of the future. He just does not bring much to the table on any kind of consistent basis. So much of his time is spent with nibble, nibble, duck. But because of his status as a lefty, I would not be surprised that we could get someone to overpay for him at the deadline.

Redeye fly
05-09-2006, 10:43 PM
The family thing is valid, but he talks it over with his family every single year. And every year his family wants him to play. Was his family being held captive by NL Central rebels for the past 6 months? Couldn't he have spoken to them a few months ago?
Lol, I don't know man. The only good thing about it is at this point I don't think any team is sitting around waiting for him to make a decision, pinning all their hopes on him. Although like you said, it may have hurt the Astros a bit during the offseason.

CTA513
05-09-2006, 10:50 PM
I was at the game today and I cant believe how many times I saw the Reds just watching the ball go past them when they were batting. If they werent watching the ball they were swinging and missing.

The Reds need to put up 200-300 foot tall outfield walls if they plan on keeping these pitchers.

:help:

Patrick Bateman
05-09-2006, 10:51 PM
I see no reason to make Brandon Claussen a part of the future.

Well he was faily decent last year:

ERA of 4.21 and DERA of 4.56.

Obviously this year he's been nothing short of awful, but if he can back to last years numbers he's a servicable 4-5 starter. I'd give him more time since IMO is still our best options outside of Harang and Arroyo. Obviously he needs to improve sometime soon.

Falls City Beer
05-09-2006, 10:56 PM
Most of the losses this season have come against good to great teams--tonight, on the other hand, the Reds just got their guts stomped by a really bad squad. This loss definitely felt very 2005. This was a blowout loss to a really bad team. Nothing good can come of this. Within the next two weeks, the RA/RS ledger should be about even, IMO--and on its way down. When you have three gaping wounds in your rotation--no matter how good the other two spots are--you're going to create some insurmountable deficits for your bullpen and your entire staff.

KronoRed
05-09-2006, 11:00 PM
That is a Terminator, not Robo-Cop...uh, er....Robo-Ump
I'd have the terminator do the job.

Law and order.

traderumor
05-09-2006, 11:23 PM
Well he was faily decent last year:

ERA of 4.21 and DERA of 4.56.

Obviously this year he's been nothing short of awful, but if he can back to last years numbers he's a servicable 4-5 starter. I'd give him more time since IMO is still our best options outside of Harang and Arroyo. Obviously he needs to improve sometime soon.I'm saying he could leave tomorrow and would not be sorely missed, and quite honestly, I hope that soon we will have better back of the rotation guys than those like Claussen that we are trying to pass off as a middle of the rotation quality. He is very expendable and I would not hesitate to look for someone that might overpay that is desperate for a lefty. For example, if Arizona is for real, somone in the West is going to need another lefty for their lefty laden lineup.

traderumor
05-09-2006, 11:24 PM
Most of the losses this season have come against good to great teams--tonight, on the other hand, the Reds just got their guts stomped by a really bad squad. This loss definitely felt very 2005. This was a blowout loss to a really bad team. Nothing good can come of this. Within the next two weeks, the RA/RS ledger should be about even, IMO--and on its way down. When you have three gaping wounds in your rotation--no matter how good the other two spots are--you're going to create some insurmountable deficits for your bullpen and your entire staff.Even bad teams win at least 1 of 3 on the average.

WVRedsFan
05-10-2006, 01:23 AM
I prefer to point out the obvious no matter what the record is. The Reds have a good record because of two pitchers and a couple of way over-ther-heads weeks by a couple of players.

I said it a week ago.....this club will be just ahead of the Pirates by mid-June of not before.

The starting pitching is so shallow as to look like a pond in Oklahoma in July. The offense is one dimensional with JR out. With him in, it is two dimensional....or one dimensional times two.

Freel is no everyday player, been saying it for a long time. Phillips got figured out by NL pitching caoches after a week....and Lopez is doing all he can....it it ain't enough.

To me, the offense has been slowing down since LaRue came off the DL....and Narron plays the guy 5 days a week.....awful. Valentin should start against almost ALL right handers.....and adds a great deal to the offense.

Freel shouldn't play more than 3 times a week....let Denorfia play the rest of the time.....see what happens before they are 5 games back.

Just sayin'

Wow. Some reality amongst all the giddy optimism. Bravo.

Although the multitudes scream for Ryan Freel, the everyday player, in fact he does not exist. Play him everyday and watch his oh for four. The Reds moved Tony Womack (at least another option) while Phillips was having his way with pitchers before they knew anything about him. With a show of hands, how many wish there was an option now? Any option. Watch that average slide, baby.

Larue? Feast or famine. Too pricey and probably on the block. Intersting that there are no takers (apparently). Good catchers are hard to find. Speaks volumes.

Narron, the clone of every bad manager we've ever had (except BB, who shall not be named who was the worst of all), continues to bat Freel as leadoff when his less-than-sspectacular streak reaches the blessed one for sixteen record (.063 average for you keeping score) over the last few days (except for one day).

And speaking of Narron...Jerry, watch old Frankie Robinson tonight. He acutally knows that a pitcher who is losing it, is losing it. Take notes. He actually didn't let his pitchers get their brains beat out. Novel idea, huh?

Seriously, this team is living on borrowed time unless some changes are made, and it may take some time. Freel is the utility player everyone dreams of. Period. Not the starter. Phillips is the relief second baseman. We need to look for a daily one. And we need another starter or two. As much as I hate to say it, Claussen and Williams are simply not the answer. They're better than Haynes and Dempster, but not by much. It's been fun so far, but for a team that's only scored 35 runs in the last ten games (3.5 average) and given up 38 (3.8 run average), it's alarming. We're getting better pitching, but the runs aren't coming. Note to J. Narron: Time to think outside the box.

Cicero
05-10-2006, 02:08 AM
Well the offense once again fails to show up. The pitching getting roughed up is not surprising, but the lack of run production is. I understand the coaches are preaching patience, but they are watching at very hittable pitches fly by only to swing at a junk pitch for the strike out or ground ball to the SS/SB

Can anyone on this team bunt?

Why can't we manufacture runs?

How many times have we loaded the bases or had runner sin scoring position with less than two outs and fail to move them up or get them in?

Can anyone on this team consistently field a ground ball and get it over to first without throwing it away/mishandling it/missjudging a hop etc. etc. etc.?

I am certainly not losing hope, we are afterall 9 games over and in first place. Our record is a feat in itself considering the fact that this team is screwing up things you are supposed to know in high school ball.

The pitching has been better than expected, but if they don't fix the mental stuff it will be for naught. The thing that is at the same time encouraging and incredibly frustrating is that the mistakes are fixable. Fundamentals are not sexy, but they win an awful lot of baseball games each season. Set your feet when you throw to first base, advance the runners, back up on a ball if you are not sure how it will hop. This isn't rocket science.

Nugget
05-10-2006, 02:10 AM
Not ready to throw the towel in but the REDS have performed OK and they have had some injuries to contend with, and as stated previously most of the players are going through a slump. Some may snap out of it soon and hopefully Junior comes in to take some of the RBI pressure off. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Ramirez slated to start tomorrow. I would think that Narron was hoping Claussen would at least keep them in it and the offense would come back.

Unfortunately, I don't think the REDS have another guy to go at the top. Lopez is pretty much your number 2 and BP is too much a free swinger at the moment. They may think of moving Hatterberg up but he's too slow and EE is settling in to the middle of the lineup. The unfortunate thing is that our leadoff guy is not an everyday player so any changes there would be only a bandaid solution.

OnBaseMachine
05-10-2006, 06:58 AM
Some folks might not believe this, but once I started doing yoga I got all Zen or something.

It's really amazing how much more I enjoy things now that I've given up muttering and groaning about all of the bad stuff.

It's all about breathing.

I need to learn me some of that...:D

I know I get worked up during the game and I have a tough time controlling it. I've always been that way; I just hate to lose. You would think I would be use to it by now considering the last five years.

OnBaseMachine
05-10-2006, 07:06 AM
I haven't read through the entire thread, so hopefully someone can bring me up to speed.

Am I just imagining people jumping ship, or is it really starting to happen?

I was still under the impression that it was fun being a baseball fan.

I made a comment earlier in the game thread that I thought the Reds were starting to crash back to earth. I made that comment in the heat of the moment, and I don't really believe it, just yet. Now if they go 2-4 on this homestand and then lose two of three to the Pirates, then I will start to believe they are fading. But even if this team loses every game from here on out, you can still count on me being here rooting for them. I'm a huge Reds fan and baseball in general, and you will never see me jump ship.

BTW, I think the Reds will take the final two of this series with Harang and Arroyo pitching. That would put us back at a very solid 23-12 with the Phillies coming to town. A 3-3 homestand would be OK I guess, but 4-2 would be much better.

Falls City Beer
05-10-2006, 08:04 AM
Even bad teams win at least 1 of 3 on the average.

That's true. But the Reds have 3 poor pitchers in their rotation right now--not passable, but poor. That's going to catch up in the RS/RA department, sooner than later.

Unless, of course, Krivsky does something about it.

cumberlandreds
05-10-2006, 08:07 AM
That's true. But the Reds have 3 poor pitchers in their rotation right now--not passable, but poor. That's going to catch up in the RS/RA department, sooner than later.

Unless, of course, Krivsky does something about it.

Krivsky will have to do something if expects the Reds to remain in contention. The Reds have three number five starters or worse in their roation. That won't cut it for the entire season.

traderumor
05-10-2006, 08:21 AM
That's true. But the Reds have 3 poor pitchers in their rotation right now--not passable, but poor. That's going to catch up in the RS/RA department, sooner than later.

Unless, of course, Krivsky does something about it.I don't disagree with you, but many teams are pushing it to have more depth in the rotation than two good starters. As I've said, I'm very unimpressed that Claussen is anymore than what we've seen thus far, which is a nibbler that will get rocked many a night, sprinkled with a few lucky outings, but regularly taxing the bullpen with his high pitch counts. And if he doesn't nibble, he doesn't have anything, so he gets rocked (see April 22 vs. Brewers). Hopefully, someone will overpay for a lefty at the deadline.

We definately need at least two better starters, either from within or without. Or, if Claussen generates no interest, I would be fine with him as a fifth starter, but would expect no more from him.

vaticanplum
05-10-2006, 02:24 PM
This doesn't deserve its own thread, but I just want to take a moment here to remind everybody that the Yankees traded Javier Vazquez for Randy Johnson.

Thanks

TeamBoone
05-10-2006, 05:39 PM
From this article, it sounds like JN was pretty ticked off at Claussen... maybe I'm reading more into it, I don't know, but it almost sounds like he blames him for losing this one.


NATIONALS 7 | REDS 1
Reds treated like babies in loss to Armas, Nationals
By Jim Massie
The Columbus Dispatch
Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:09 AM

TOM UHLMAN | AP
Washington’s Royce Clayton is tagged out at home by Cincinnati’s Jason LaRue as Clayton tried to score from second base in the fourth inning.

CINCINNATI -- A lullaby and a bottle of warm milk were about the only things missing from the repertoire that Washington's Tony Armas Jr. brought to the mound last night in Great American Ball Park.
The veteran right-hander rocked the suddenly slumping Reds offense to sleep for six innings during the 7-1 victory. The Nationals' bullpen looked in later and turned out the lights.

Armas, however, set the tone for the evening. He checked first-place Cincinnati on two hits over six innings while riding two home runs from Jose Guillen and solo shots from Ryan Zimmerman, Matthew LeCroy and Alfonso Soriano to the win. Soriano's 492-foot blast cleared the batter's eye in center field.

“We got beat, simple as that,” Reds manager Jerry Narron said. “(Armas) had pretty good command. It seemed like he hit his spots when he needed to. It just seems like we didn't.”

Armas (3-2) didn't allow a runner to reach second or third base until the seventh inning when Felipe Lopez reached on an infield single. Armas followed by walking Adam Dunn and hitting Edwin Encarnacion with a pitch to load the bases. Washington manager Frank Robinson turned to his bullpen and watched his relievers wriggle out of the jam.

Brandon Claussen (2-4) had less success against the Nationals. Washington roughed him up for 11 hits in 5 1⁄3 innings.

The loss continued a recent toothless trend for the Reds. Multiple players are struggling at the plate so Narron was hoping for a stronger effort from Claussen.

“With the stuff he has, he needs to get guys out as early in the count as possible,” Narron said. “He just gave up way too many hits. At times, he kept the ball down. But at this level if you're going to be successful, it all comes back to being consistent. He's got to get more consistent."

Royce Clayton started Claussen's trouble with a leadoff double in the third inning. Armas sacrificed him to second, and he scored on a broken-bat single by Marlon Byrd.

In the fourth, Zimmerman jumped the lead to 2-0 with a homer. With two outs, Clayton doubled again. The light-hitting Armas then came through with a hit, but center fielder Ryan Freel threw out Clayton at the plate.

The Nationals kept the pressure on, bidding an unhappy Claussen good night on the Guillen and LeCroy homers.

“I felt good," he said. “Two of the home runs were first-pitch (homers). It wasn't like it was a bad pitch. They're an aggressive team and they like the fastball. That's what they hit.”

Armas cruised into the seventh. After hitting Jason LaRue with a pitch in the third, he retired 11 consecutive Reds before Lopez led off the seventh with his infield hit. Dunn walked and Armas plunked Encarnacion to load the bases.

Joey Eischen entered and fell behind Scott Hatteberg 3 and 0. He battled back to a full count and Hatteberg delivered a sacrifice fly to score Lopez. That was the end of the Cincinnati offense.

“We really had a chance to get back into it … in the seventh inning,” Narron said. “I thought Hatty had a good at-bat. He worked the count real well. The 3-and-1 pitch was a borderline pitch. But their pitcher got the call. Hatty ended up hitting the ball hard, but right at Guillen in right field. When you only get three or four hits in a ballgame, you're not going to win many of them."

jmassie@dispatch.com
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/reds/reds.php?story=184878

Falls City Beer
05-10-2006, 05:41 PM
From this article, it sounds like JN was pretty ticked off at Claussen... maybe I'm reading more into it, I don't know, but it almost sounds like he blames him for losing this one.


http://www.columbusdispatch.com/reds/reds.php?story=184878

It sure sounds like Narron is ticked at him; I suspect that if move is made soon for a starter, Claussen will be the first to go to the pen.

membengal
05-10-2006, 05:43 PM
I would have a very hard time seeing Claussen in the bullpen before Williams...

Falls City Beer
05-10-2006, 05:44 PM
I would have a very hard time seeing Claussen in the bullpen before Williams...

Tomato, tomatoh.

Though I imagine Belisle will probably take Williams' spot after the next start.