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savafan
05-10-2006, 03:38 AM
I remember this song. My cousins taught it to me when I was younger, and I recall kids singing it at recess when I was in elementary school. I think this is abuse of a zero tolerance policy. Can this teacher honestly say he felt threatened by this girl's humming?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/09/D8HGAPTO9.html

SUWANEE, Ga.

A high school student was suspended for five days after singing a spoof of "On Top of Ol' Smokey" that includes lyrics about shooting a teacher.

Beth Ann Cox, 16, a junior at Peachtree Ridge High School, said she had been humming the song during German class but denied singing loudly or directing the lyrics at her teacher, Phil Carroll.

"I'd had a song stuck in my head all day, like the tune of it," she said. "This kid in front of me asked me about the song. So I told him the words. I didn't say them loudly."

The song includes the lyrics: "On top of Ol' Smokey, all covered with blood, I shot my poor teacher with a .44 slug."

Administrators pulled Cox out of class later Friday and asked why she had threatened her teacher. She was suspended Monday.

Cox has had differences with the teacher in the past, said her mother, Suzanne Cox.

"We feel that Dr. Carroll has some kind of a vendetta out for our daughter. And he used this to take a stand against her," Suzanne Cox said.

Sloan Roach, spokeswoman for the school district, about 30 miles northeast of Atlanta, said the suspension was "appropriate disciplinary action" for disrupting class.

macro
05-10-2006, 08:27 AM
Can this teacher honestly say he felt threatened by this girl's humming?

I don't think it's impossible. I also doubt we're getting the whole story. This sentence jumps out at me:


Cox has had differences with the teacher in the past, said her mother, Suzanne Cox.

It seems a bit odd that this student would be quoting/humming these particular lyrics while sitting in the classroom of a teacher she'd had differences with. Based on what her mother said about a vendetta, it sounds like there was some lingering animosity between the two. I'm not ready to give the girl a pass without knowing more.

RedFanAlways1966
05-10-2006, 08:43 AM
It seems a bit odd that this student would be quoting/humming these particular lyrics while sitting in the classroom of a teacher she'd had differences with. Based on what her mother said about a vendetta, it sounds like there was some lingering animosity between the two. I'm not ready to give the girl a pass without knowing more.

Well said, macro. I agree with you. We do not know the whole story; however, you want to sing about shooting teachers... best not do it while in school. If I had sang or said something about shooting a teacher, my parents would have been my biggest fear. Because my parents taught me the difference between right and wrong... and were not afraid to punish when I went astray. Too bad Ms. Cox' mother doesn't seem to understand that concept. Schools and guns or talk of guns do not mix. Period.

westofyou
05-10-2006, 11:21 AM
Mind Police much?

RedFanAlways1966
05-10-2006, 11:39 AM
Mind Police much?

Or common sense much.

According to the story the girl sang out loud the following words, "I shot my poor teacher with a .44 slug." Not sure if she meant it or not, but I'd put it up there with yelling "shark" at the beach or "fire" in an eatery. Some things you DO NOT say in certain places.

westofyou
05-10-2006, 11:52 AM
but I'd put it up there with yelling "shark" at the beach or "fire" in an eatery. Hyperbole.

Frankly school officials in Georgia have a long track record in my world of being less than a stellar group. So I'll lean on my experience over a "what if" Orwellian clamp down.

RedFanAlways1966
05-10-2006, 12:00 PM
Hyperbole.

Frankly school officials in Georgia have a long track record in my world of being less than a stellar group. So I'll lean on my experience over a "what if" Orwellian clamp down.

Perhaps. And maybe the school is overreacting. But in this day-and-age some things need to be considered common sense. Schools are not a place to talk or sing about shooting teachers.

I wonder if there were people at Columbine who thought Eric & Dylan were just blowhards? I wonder if people there thought those two black trenchcoat wearers were just out for attention and not a threat to anyone? I don't know.

westofyou
05-10-2006, 12:02 PM
I wonder if there were people at Columbine who thought Eric & Dylan were just blowhards?

And I wonder if anyone at West Beverly thought Brandon and Dylan were blowhards.

Yachtzee
05-10-2006, 12:03 PM
Mind Police much?

I'd prefer these guys...

http://www.dogmaticblog.com/images/music/cheap_trick_insert.jpg

westofyou
05-10-2006, 12:04 PM
I'd prefer these guys...

There are many here among us
Who feel that life is a joke
And for you we sing this final song
For you there is no hope
Sayonara oh suicide hari kari
Kamikaze you won't
See another evening
Goodbye

Falls City Beer
05-10-2006, 12:09 PM
How many kids go to school every weekday, how many millions of kids? For how many thousands of days in this country's history? How many teachers have been shot or killed?

You're more likely to step out your front door and be crushed by a talking, breakdancing anvil than be killed by a student in a school in this country.

This suspension isn't "playing it safe." It's an idiotic and political "get tough" message.

bucksfan
05-10-2006, 12:17 PM
I think schools can tend to go overboard on some things, but in this day and age it is definitely not appropriate to be singing such words. Actually I never really thought it appropriate, even in jest, to be singing or speaking about such things. As for a 5 day suspension, perhaps too harsh without knowing the background and all the details. My initial thought would be to just talk with the student about how those types of things are inappropriate, especially given recent events, and if such comments persist there would be a suspension.

Falls City Beer
05-10-2006, 12:24 PM
What's so incredibly ironic about these school fears is that you are FAR, FAR more likely to be killed by an adult co-worker than you are a child or even a highschooler (for all the emotional trauma of those years). That's just a statistical fact.

There may not be a single workplace in all of a America more safe than a school. (Unless you have to deal with psychotic parents).

TeamCasey
05-10-2006, 12:40 PM
I think that song was around when I was in grade school and dinosaurs walked the earth.

Yachtzee
05-10-2006, 01:23 PM
What about:

"Row row row your boat
Gently down the stream.
Throw your teacher overboard
and listen to her scream."

Kids have been making up rude songs about teachers since the day teachers and students were invented.

KittyDuran
05-10-2006, 01:23 PM
Marijuana, marijuana,
LSD, LSD
Scientists make it,
teachers take it
Why can't we?
Why can't we?

;)

Roy Tucker
05-10-2006, 01:47 PM
EDIT: forgot the first verse

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule,
We have shot the secretary, we have hung the principal
Our truth goes marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Teacher hit me with a ruler.
I bopped her on the bean with a rotten tangerine
And teacher taught no more.

BuckWoody
05-10-2006, 01:48 PM
I think that song was around when I was in grade school and dinosaurs walked the earth.
I remember it well, except the lyrics seemed to have changed some over the years. I remember it as:

On top of Old Smokey
All covered with sand,
I shot my teacher
With a red rubber band.
I shot her with pleasure
I shot her with pride.
I couldn't have missed her,
She was 50 feet wide.

savafan
05-10-2006, 01:59 PM
When I was in school it was:

On top of old smokey
All covered with blood
I shot my teacher
With a .44 slug
I went to her funeral
I went to her grave
Some people threw flowers
I threw a grenade

BuckWoody
05-10-2006, 02:14 PM
When I was in school it was:

On top of old smokey
All covered with blood
I shot my teacher
With a .44 slug
I went to her funeral
I went to her grave
Some people threw flowers
I threw a grenade
Yeah! It's all coming back to me now. I remember singing the funeral/grave/flowers/grenade part. I think we used to just tack that on after the "50-feet wide" part. We were all farm kids so I'm not sure we were hip enough to sing the .44 slug part. :)

Red Heeler
05-10-2006, 02:25 PM
How many kids go to school every weekday, how many millions of kids? For how many thousands of days in this country's history? How many teachers have been shot or killed?

You're more likely to step out your front door and be crushed by a talking, breakdancing anvil than be killed by a student in a school in this country.

This suspension isn't "playing it safe." It's an idiotic and political "get tough" message.

Everybody do the propaganda,
And sing along with the age of paranoia

KittyDuran
05-10-2006, 02:27 PM
Not teacher related... but a classic little school ditty:

Great big globs of greasy grimey gopher guts
Mutilated monkey meat
Little dirty birdy feet
French fried eyeballs drenched in kerosene
I forgot my spoon (in a pool of blood) or (but I got my straw-then make a slurping noise).

:D

Red Heeler
05-10-2006, 02:42 PM
Not teacher related... but a classic little school ditty:

Great big globs of greasy grimey gopher guts
Mutilated monkey meat
Little dirty birdy feet
French fried eyeballs drenched in kerosene
I forgot my spoon (in a pool of blood) or (but I got my straw-then make a slurping noise).

:D

Cruelty to animals as a child is one of the hallmarks of serial killers. We should probably lock up any kid who knows the words to this song. Just in case, you know.

KronoRed
05-10-2006, 04:06 PM
I don't remember the .44 slug part from school, that must be a new addition, I recall our teachers rolling their eyes at it.

KronoRed
05-10-2006, 04:07 PM
Marijuana, marijuana,
LSD, LSD
Scientists make it,
teachers take it
Why can't we?
Why can't we?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

WVRed
05-11-2006, 09:38 AM
First is the worst
Second is the best
Third is the one with the hairy chest.

Ironically enough, I got in trouble for singing that song.:(

Ravenlord
05-11-2006, 09:44 AM
Ironically enough, I got in trouble for singing that song.:(
i got in trouble for singing this song:
"World in flames, set ablaze by my own hands.
With the sun, our burdens begone. Body and
soul divorce, as fire and mind unite.
With my tears your grief will drown, in
thoughts of beauty bathed.
In nakedness I bid farewell, and the
blindness be gone..."

Yachtzee
05-11-2006, 10:53 AM
i got in trouble for singing this song:
"World in flames, set ablaze by my own hands.
With the sun, our burdens begone. Body and
soul divorce, as fire and mind unite.
With my tears your grief will drown, in
thoughts of beauty bathed.
In nakedness I bid farewell, and the
blindness be gone..."

"Don't Fear the Reaper..."

You probably wouldn't have gotten in trouble if you had just used MORE COWBELL!

RedFanAlways1966
05-11-2006, 12:16 PM
School's out, school's out, the teacher let the monkeys out.
One went east, one went west, one went up the teacher's dress.

:p:

Raisor
05-11-2006, 04:05 PM
The day after the story broke, she was on a local radio show here in Atlanta (the show I interned for back in 95 actually) telling her side of the story (and she sang the song on air too).

After hearing her side of it, I would have suspended her too. Everything she's said, points out she's had problems with this teacher all year (or more accuratly, the teacher has had problems from her). If this was a one time thing, no biggie, but they've been having problems for a year. Enough's enough.

KronoRed
05-11-2006, 04:28 PM
I agree with Raisor..just because He's Raisor

Raisor
05-11-2006, 07:33 PM
I agree with Raisor..just because He's Raisor


That should be in your sig.

WVRed
05-11-2006, 07:43 PM
That should be in your sig.

It's in mine.

Raisor
05-12-2006, 11:10 PM
It's in mine.


exxxxcellent

saboforthird
05-13-2006, 02:57 PM
What about:

"Row row row your boat
Gently down the stream.
Throw your teacher overboard
and listen to her scream."

Kids have been making up rude songs about teachers since the day teachers and students were invented.

I much more in favor of THAT song than the one about shooting a teacher. The one I quoted seems a bit more innocent. Threatening a teacher is never innocent. I'm siding with the school district on this one. The student, in my opinion, should be expelled or forced to write a lengthy essay on why it is important to respect your elders and schoolteachers. It seems to me the mother should have stepped in sooner.