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savafan
05-10-2006, 03:53 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2439321


Associated Press

TORONTO -- Oakland Athletics catcher Jason Kendall ripped Major League Baseball after dropping his appeal of his four-game suspension on Tuesday.

Kendall was suspended and fined for charging Los Angeles Angels pitcher John Lackey in a game on May 2.

"Major League Baseball has turned into a badminton league. They told me I didn't have any shot of getting my suspension knocked out," Kendall said.

Kendall said his agent, general manager Billy Beane and the players union told him he probably wouldn't have his suspension reduced.

"The fact that they won't knock anything off is embarrassing to the game because the game has changed. Now you can't really defend yourself. I understand I have to be suspended, but it's not like I went out and picked a fight. Nothing would have happened if he wouldn't have said anything to me, if he wouldn't have taken three steps hard at me," Kendall said.

Lackey threw a pitch to Kendall that started out high and inside, then sharply broke back toward the plate in the sixth inning of Oakland's 10-3 win. Kendall backed out of the batter's box, then suddenly charged the mound after Lackey said something about his elbow pad.

Kendall charged the mound and wrestled Lackey to the ground, emptying both dugouts and bullpens.

"I get called out by Lackey. He calls me out and disrespects me and I'm supposed to sit here and have him yell at me? So basically what Major League Baseball is saying is that any big league pitcher out there can yell at somebody and get fined $2,000. That's what the fine was," Kendall said.

MLB's latest disciplinary action against Kendall comes after he received a four-game suspension in August 2004 while with Pittsburgh for a similar scuffle when he charged the mound in a game against Colorado after being hit by now-teammate Joe Kennedy. The pitcher received a five-game suspension for the incident.

"I think the big thing was this was my fourth time, and all four of the fights I've been into has been about sticking up for myself or sticking up for my pitcher. I guess they don't look at that," Kendall said. "People that are making decisions have never been in a situation like that. They wait for situations like this to happen so they can have this big power. And that's what they did. They have the power right now."

The 31-year-old Kendall, who played 150 games last year in his first season with the A's, entered Friday's game batting .244 with no home runs and seven RBI.

With Kendall dropping the appeal, Oakland was able to call up catcher Jeremy Brown from Triple-A Sacramento without having to drop somebody from its 40-man roster. Oakland manager Ken Macha said Brown wasn't likely to play. Milton Bradley is expected to take Brown's place on the 25-man roster once he's activated from the DL this week.

JinAZ
05-10-2006, 04:33 AM
"I get called out by Lackey. He calls me out and disrespects me and I'm supposed to sit here and have him yell at me? So basically what Major League Baseball is saying is that any big league pitcher out there can yell at somebody and get fined $2,000. That's what the fine was," Kendall said.

That is hysterical. Kendall isn't helping himself here...

My favorite quote on the incident:

"I guess he caught Jason at the wrong moment, which is not hard to do."
--A's third baseman Eric Chavez, on the John Lackey/Jason Kendall confrontation which resulted in a brawl (San Francisco Chronicle)

(via BP)
-j

The Baumer
05-10-2006, 04:46 AM
J-Kendall is pretty thug-core.

KronoRed
05-10-2006, 04:59 AM
He should have taken the bat and got his moneys worth ;)

RedFanAlways1966
05-10-2006, 09:06 AM
"The fact that they won't knock anything off is embarrassing to the game because the game has changed. Now you can't really defend yourself. I understand I have to be suspended, but it's not like I went out and picked a fight. Nothing would have happened if he wouldn't have said anything to me, if he wouldn't have taken three steps hard at me," Kendall said.

First off... somebody should give Jason a bit of a history lesson. Baseball has always had fights, but not with the frequency we see today. Yep, the game has changed... for the worse with all the mound-charging. Hey Jason, takes more of a man to turn away than it does to fight. Did Mr. Lackey's words hurt that bad... did they cause bruises and/or swelling to your sensitive ears or brain?

Jason, words like yours and of course actions like yours are what is embarrassing to the game. Nothing would have happened if you didn't charge the mound either, brainiac. Then, like a true idiot, you make it worse by uttering the comments in this article. Way to go, Jason. You are an idiot!

p.s. ask your Dad what the game used to be like when he played. That even makes your comments more pathetic.

Benny-Distefano
05-10-2006, 09:22 AM
Taken out of context, if I had to guess Kendall's age based on his comments, I would say 13...16, tops.

MLB... Arrested Development City

traderumor
05-10-2006, 09:30 AM
"I get called out by Lackey. He calls me out and disrespects me and I'm supposed to sit here and have him yell at me? So basically what Major League Baseball is saying is that any big league pitcher out there can yell at somebody and get fined $2,000. That's what the fine was," Kendall said.

Principal Watson (is he still in charge of this type of stuff?) replies, "Now Jason, all you had to do was ignore the comments and get back in there and hit. Be the more mature person and consider the other person immature for trying to pick a fight. But you did not do that, so I have to give you three days in school suspension. Do it again, and you'll get three days out of school."

Jason muses, "hmmm, go punch someone, get three days off to miss school with permission? Righteous!"

Roy Tucker
05-10-2006, 09:45 AM
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

Na-na-na-na-boo-boo.

smith288
05-10-2006, 09:57 AM
No, the NFL has become badminton... Its touch league football for the QBs.

I think baseball has leaned too heavily towards the hitter these days allowing armor to be used so they can own the plate.

More bean balls would bring the game back to how it used to be.

I hear Lackey talks all the time and isnt highly thought of but this is the exact reason why. He got into Kendell's head and will probably ALWAYS talk to Kendell everytime he see's him. Kendell is a baby from what I can tell of the incident.

flyer85
05-10-2006, 10:07 AM
Lot less fights today than there used to be and that's because a hitter knows it's an automatic suspension if they charge the mound.

Letting the pitchers hit would go a long way to stopping a pitcher who likes to talk trash from the mound.

I also hate the warning crapola.

Rex Argos
05-10-2006, 10:14 AM
On one hand, I have to agree with Kendall. In the AL, the pitcher can throw at hitters without having the tables turned. How would Lackey behave in the NL, when he would eventually have to take his turn at the plate?

I also agree that players should not be allowed to wear that armor garbage while batting--it takes away some of the edge that a pitcher deserves.

The solution would be to eliminate the DH and batting armor. That would make things a bit more even.

puca
05-10-2006, 10:37 AM
I've never liked Jason Kendall. I think he is a punk. He takes full advantage of body armor. He has probably been hit by more strikes than anyone in baseball. His OBP is HBP driven.

Get rid of the body armor, get rid of warnings and bring back Drysdale and Gibson. Then Kendall will see just how much baseball really HAS changed. Jawing at other players has always been part of baseball, but the repect entitlement is relatively new.

Boston Red
05-10-2006, 10:43 AM
On another note, man has Jason Kendall had a disappointing career. He was supposed to be all-world when the Buc-o's brought him up, but he never came close to living up to the hype.

Dunner44
05-10-2006, 10:55 AM
I wonder how many homers Barry would have if he wasn't allowed all his armor? He is like the frickin balck knight up there in the box.

Rex Argos
05-10-2006, 11:04 AM
Barry Bonds and the Holy Grail?

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/black_knight.jpg

westofyou
05-10-2006, 11:08 AM
I wonder how many homers Barry would have if he wasn't allowed all his armor? He is like the frickin balck knight up there in the box.
Jason LaRue was hit on his armor last night... lets beat up on him.

westofyou
05-10-2006, 11:11 AM
I've never liked Jason Kendall. I think he is a punk. He takes full advantage of body armor. He has probably been hit by more strikes than anyone in baseball. His OBP is HBP driven.


Nobody has more OB given by HBP than LaRue in the past 6 seasons. 1 HBP every 24 ab's Kendall 1 every 32.

CAREER
2000-2005
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HIT BY PITCHES HBP AB OBA AVG BB
1 Craig Biggio 120 3422 .009 .002 -37
2 Jason Kendall 108 3492 .033 .028 -12
3 Carlos Delgado 93 3197 .078 .027 292
4 David Eckstein 89 2838 .015 .014 -45
5 Jason Giambi 85 2806 .102 .026 404
6 Fernando Vina 84 2114 .004 .013 -85
7 Jason LaRue 83 1945 -.014 -.024 -45
8 Craig Wilson 81 1593 .023 .000 1
9 Alex Rodriguez 74 3623 .064 .037 195
10 Melvin Mora 73 2894 .028 .014 40

Highlifeman21
05-10-2006, 11:31 AM
I've never liked Jason Kendall. I think he is a punk. He takes full advantage of body armor. He has probably been hit by more strikes than anyone in baseball. His OBP is HBP driven.
Get rid of the body armor, get rid of warnings and bring back Drysdale and Gibson. Then Kendall will see just how much baseball really HAS changed. Jawing at other players has always been part of baseball, but the repect entitlement is relatively new.


Craig Biggio says hi

ochre
05-10-2006, 12:16 PM
I've never liked Jason Kendall. I think he is a punk. He takes full advantage of body armor. He has probably been hit by more strikes than anyone in baseball. His OBP is HBP driven.

Craig Biggio says :wave:

**edit - guess I should read all the way to the end of the thread before posting.

cincinnati chili
05-10-2006, 12:54 PM
First of all Jason - you DID start the fight. You charged the mound.

Second, it was a breaking ball that was barely off the plate. If a fastball had come under his chin, I could see him losing his cool. But this was nothing. It's possible that the elimination of the DH would reduce HEADHUNTING (there's been some statistical studies about this... forgot how they came out), but eliminating the DH will not stop pitchers from throwing a couple inches inside.

Third, I have a different solution for body armor that I've proposed before.

1. Let the batter wear all the armor he wants, but if he gets hit by a pitch on or near the armor, he must be denied the right to take first base. (The default rule would be that if the ump is at all uncertain whether he got hit in the armor or not - he doesn't get first).

2. There's a major league rule which says that batters who are hit by a pitch IN THE STRIKE ZONE shall not take first and the pitch shall be called a strike. I would enforce this rule when it comes up (it does once or twice per year with Alf Soriano and is never enforced), and I'd expand the rule to anywhere within six or eight inches on either side of the plate (shouldn't be a strike, but no HBP).

CTA513
05-10-2006, 12:57 PM
I wonder how many homers Barry would have if he wasn't allowed all his armor? He is like the frickin balck knight up there in the box.

Even with the Armor everyone knows not to plunk Bonds, because if he gets hit your best player is going to get a plunked with a fastball. The Giants actually have the guts to plunk people back.

Roy Tucker
05-10-2006, 12:57 PM
Jason LaRue was hit on his armor last night... lets beat up on him.
Yeah, they showed a close up of his armor. Looked like the bumper off a '56 Buick.

traderumor
05-10-2006, 12:59 PM
First of all Jason - you DID start the fight. You charged the mound.

Second, it was a breaking ball that was barely off the plate. If a fastball had come under his chin, I could see him losing his cool. But this was nothing. It's possible that the elimination of the DH would reduce HEADHUNTING (there's been some statistical studies about this... forgot how they came out), but eliminating the DH will not stop pitchers from throwing a couple inches inside.

Third, I have a different solution for body armor that I've proposed before.

1. Let the batter wear all the armor he wants, but if he gets hit by a pitch on or near the armor, he must be denied the right to take first base. (The default rule would be that if the ump is at all uncertain whether he got hit in the armor or not - he doesn't get first).

2. There's a major league rule which says that batters who are hit by a pitch IN THE STRIKE ZONE shall not take first and the pitch shall be called a strike. I would enforce this rule when it comes up (it does once or twice per year with Alf Soriano and is never enforced), and I'd expand the rule to anywhere within six or eight inches on either side of the plate (shouldn't be a strike, but no HBP).
It would seem simpler to eliminate the use of the big pads, save for the foul tip calf guard some batters like to wear. The elbow pads are unfair because those who use them do not try to get out of the way. The padded batting gloves for the back of the hand I think are fair, also.

smith288
05-10-2006, 01:56 PM
Nobody has more OB given by HBP than LaRue in the past 6 seasons. 1 HBP every 24 ab's Kendall 1 every 32.

Everytime I see LaRue get hit, its seems to be either on his hand or square in the middle of his back... Not his "armor" which he doesnt wear like Kendell and Biggio

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20060505/capt.e731117477de49d6adf01af154adf17e.reds_rockies _baseball_dxf104.jpg

LaRue's just a magnet... Kendell and Biggio are punks.

westofyou
05-10-2006, 02:43 PM
LaRue's just a magnet... Kendell and Biggio are punks.
They all bat the same way as does Guillen and Frank Robinson, the take the inside part away for the picther, they get hit and now plastics make armor (even LaRues) somewhat questionable by the fans (who booed the first catcher with a mask, catcher with shin guards, fielder with a glove, guy with sunglasses, guy with batting gloves)

smith288
05-10-2006, 02:47 PM
They all bat the same way as does Guillen and Frank Robinson, the take the inside part away for the picther, they get hit and now plastics make armor (even LaRues) somewhat questionable by the fans (who booed the first catcher with a mask, catcher with shin guards, fielder with a glove, guy with sunglasses, guy with batting gloves)
The picture I provided shows no armor on Larue short of his hand pad

westofyou
05-10-2006, 02:51 PM
The picture I provided shows no armor on Larue short of his hand pad
A hand pad that looks like a giant blackboard eraser. Mickey Cochrane laughs somewhere. Pad or not LaRue dives over the plate.

VR
05-10-2006, 03:03 PM
All punk discussion aside....I actually found myself in agreement with Kendall's main point.

The fierce competetiveness between teams and players has gradually fallen off over the years. A combination of free agency and expansion, but also a bit of elitism with all the millionaires nowadays.

Obviously there needs to be limits for the Delmon Young idyots of the world, and appropriate punishment that fits the 'crime' for those unnecessarily instigating. Roger Clemens has had so much success not just because of his stuff, but his fierce competetiveness about owning the inside of the plate and daring anyone to do something about it. I like pitchers who do that, and hitters who are willing to stand up to said pitcher (all Robin Ventura references aside ;) )


If Lackey called him out....it should be fair game...punk or not.

ochre
05-10-2006, 03:22 PM
Kendall's Barry Bonds without the talent. The game "owes" them something because their daddy's played. If you are going to dive into the plate, accept your lumps. Following a breaking ball across the plate with your well shielded elbow trying to get hit is not taking your lumps. I wish umpires would enforce the "not making an attempt to get out of the way" provision more liberally. I also think the hand ought to be part of the bat for the purposes of hbp discussions/rules enforcement.

smith288
05-10-2006, 04:37 PM
A hand pad that looks like a giant blackboard eraser. Mickey Cochrane laughs somewhere. Pad or not LaRue dives over the plate.
Dude, Im not arguing if he dives or not.

He is man enough to take the hit of an inside fast ball instead of wearing armor on his forearm and elbow. If he gets hit enough, he may back off and thats how it should be...but if LaRue walked up wearing a goalie uniform, then he can dive without fear like Bonds, Bigio and Kendall. As it stands right now, I believe he still avoids the HBP everytime a pitch comes at him when he dives but has limited success in avoidance.

dsmith421
05-10-2006, 04:50 PM
The fact Kendall is doing all this macho posturing while simultaneously being one of the worst hitters and most overpaid players in the game is just icing on the cake.

westofyou
05-10-2006, 05:10 PM
Dude, Im not arguing if he dives or not.

But a pad is a pad, when the first sacker who first wore a fielders glove donned one it was thinner than a winter glove is now. But he got bunches of schmack for it. LaRues pad is protection, just like Bonds and any guy who has an ankle pad on. Now I'm saying that because Jason has that pad he'll feel more comfy diving over the plate, just like Kendall and Biggio do.

smith288
05-10-2006, 05:37 PM
As far as I can tell, LaRue makes every attempt to move his hand out of the way even with that eraser on his hand. Thats not the same as when Biggio dives in with his elbow of steel.

TeamBoone
05-10-2006, 06:03 PM
2. There's a major league rule which says that batters who are hit by a pitch IN THE STRIKE ZONE shall not take first and the pitch shall be called a strike. I would enforce this rule when it comes up (it does once or twice per year with Alf Soriano and is never enforced), and I'd expand the rule to anywhere within six or eight inches on either side of the plate (shouldn't be a strike, but no HBP).

IMHO, 6-8 inches is way too much leeway.... it's a HBP, and should be a HBP.

Pitchers should have more control than that, and if they don't, the batter deserves to trot down to first base.