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RedLegSuperStar
05-12-2006, 08:14 AM
Rick is supposed to be this seasoned vet to help bolster our youth and carry this team. He almost cost us the game last night. My question is how many more times do they keep calling him out before they've had enough. If it were me when Milton is ready to come off the DL I would give White his walking papers. Giving up shots to Johnson, base hit to a pinch hitting Livan Hernandez! and it only seems like he gives up the runs when the Reds are close in a game. Not to boot but his ERA is at 6.48.

RedFanAlways1966
05-12-2006, 08:58 AM
No defense of Rick White, but... it can be said that Rick White's big butt should have never of gotten off the bullpen bench (other than to walk to the clubhouse after the REDS won it in 9 innings) if not for a few things that happened before extra innings became a reality. :bang:

Okay... back to Rick White! Mercker isn't far behind big Rick in my world.

Gary Redus
05-12-2006, 11:12 AM
Time to DFA ... cut bait - if we have to live with Milton when he returns - let the lizard take that role.

edabbs44
05-12-2006, 11:28 AM
Hammond, White and Mercker are all stiffs. Just imagine if Cincy, in Game 7 of the NLCS, has to face Delgado in the 7th inning, bases juiced and 2 outs. Mercker and Hammond in the pen the only lefties in the pen. Coffey would be the obvious choice, but we have no lefty who can get a lefty out, including the ones in the rotation.

GOREDSGO32
05-12-2006, 11:30 AM
At least Mercker has a solid track record ... he's been a very solid reliever over the years.

Why can't we bring up Milachek from Louisville? He is doing damn good.

Joseph
05-12-2006, 11:31 AM
I'd like to see the Lizard in the long role with Belisle in the set up role with Coffey in the closers role.

GOREDSGO32
05-12-2006, 11:34 AM
Also of note, Josh Hall (remember him?) is doing very well.

RedsMan3203
05-12-2006, 11:36 AM
The Last 2 outtings for White haven't been great. But - Other then that White has been pitching well and I've seen his heater hit 94 mph on the gun....

UPRedsFan
05-12-2006, 12:50 PM
Burns has some impressive numbers too. Maybe he's figured it out?

edabbs44
05-12-2006, 12:56 PM
Burns has some impressive numbers too. Maybe he's figured it out?

Doubt that.

Joseph
05-12-2006, 12:58 PM
The Last 2 outtings for White haven't been great. But - Other then that White has been pitching well and I've seen his heater hit 94 mph on the gun....

When its 94 and straight even I could adjust to it and hit it.

flyer85
05-12-2006, 01:03 PM
White only posted a sub 4 ERA last year because he reduced his HR by 75% last year (a fluke). He gave up 3 in 78IP. This year he has already given up 4 thus his ERA shooting up well past 5.

RedsManRick
05-12-2006, 01:24 PM
There is almost no reason to jump on a reliever after 10 appearances. Yes, his ERA is ugly. But it's a function of a few homers and you cannot expect that rate to continue. He has an 8:1 k/bb ratio and a 2.67 FB/GB out ratio. I'm not saying he's great.

However, if you want to distinguish between White, Mercker, or Weathers, look at their last 5 years, not the last 45 days.

flyer85
05-12-2006, 01:56 PM
Yes, his ERA is ugly. But it's a function of a few homers and you cannot expect that rate to continue. what could not be expected to continue was his HR rate from 2005. It was a one year aberration. Anyone who cared to look saw White with a 2006 ERA of over 5 coming from a mile away.

KoryMac5
05-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Jerry really like defined roles in the bullpen with Coffey and Weathers both having clear roles I think Shack will be the main lefty out of the pen by the All Star break.

klw
05-12-2006, 02:08 PM
So I guess we won't be merging this thread with the Rick White thread from last week.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45762

edabbs44
05-12-2006, 02:13 PM
There is almost no reason to jump on a reliever after 10 appearances. Yes, his ERA is ugly. But it's a function of a few homers and you cannot expect that rate to continue. He has an 8:1 k/bb ratio and a 2.67 FB/GB out ratio. I'm not saying he's great.

However, if you want to distinguish between White, Mercker, or Weathers, look at their last 5 years, not the last 45 days.

He has a BAA of .338. Not anything to be proud of and it kind of negates his walk ratio. He should only be used in games with at least a 6 run differential in either direction.

Heath
05-12-2006, 02:43 PM
Hammond, White and Mercker are all stiffs. Just imagine if Cincy, in Game 7 of the NLCS, has to face Delgado in the 7th inning, bases juiced and 2 outs. Mercker and Hammond in the pen the only lefties in the pen. Coffey would be the obvious choice, but we have no lefty who can get a lefty out, including the ones in the rotation.

Brian Shackelford says :wave:

edabbs44
05-12-2006, 03:40 PM
Brian Shackelford says :wave:

Hopefully Narron figures out that Shack can be used in situations other than blowouts.

KronoRed
05-12-2006, 04:40 PM
Give him the Womack treatment

schroomytunes
05-12-2006, 05:00 PM
I think with the way the lizard has been pitching, i think he needs to stay in the rotation, and we need to demote Dave Williams into the pen or trade him to another team for a bullpen guy. Say what about this trade:

KC trades: ambriox Burgos RP

Cincy trades: Dave Williams LHP

Roy Tucker
05-12-2006, 05:08 PM
Narron is grooming Rick White for the role of RZ whipping boy du jour.

The role has been vacant since the departure of Tony Womack.

Reds1
05-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Hammond, White and Mercker are all stiffs. Just imagine if Cincy, in Game 7 of the NLCS, has to face Delgado in the 7th inning, bases juiced and 2 outs. Mercker and Hammond in the pen the only lefties in the pen. Coffey would be the obvious choice, but we have no lefty who can get a lefty out, including the ones in the rotation.


actually Shack is doing well.