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reds44
05-13-2006, 12:59 PM
Player A
.292 BA .393 OBP .550 SLG% 6 homers 28 RBI 22 Ks 11 doubles

with RISP
.300/.404/.625 -- 1.029

Player B
.228 BA .386 OBP 577 SLG% 13 homers 26 RBIs 45 Ks 4 doubles

with RISP
.184/.340/.605 -- .945 OPS

CTA513
05-13-2006, 01:01 PM
Player C

Falls City Beer
05-13-2006, 01:02 PM
Player A
.292 BA .393 OBP .550 SLG% 6 homers 28 RBI 22 Ks 11 doubles

Player B
.228 BA .386 OBP 577 SLG% 13 homers 26 RBIs 45 Ks 4 doubles

Same number of XBH, but B hits the ball harder.

I'll take B, Adam Dunn over Encarnacion. Dunn has more power; and they get on base at the same rate.

paintmered
05-13-2006, 01:07 PM
I'll gladly take both.

Wheelhouse
05-13-2006, 01:15 PM
It's a toss-up. Which is the better defender?;)

CTA513
05-13-2006, 01:22 PM
It's a toss-up. Which is the better defender?;)

If they play for the Reds then neither is. :p:


;)

RBA
05-13-2006, 01:25 PM
What's their salary? Who's scrappier? How many stolen bases?

James B.
05-13-2006, 01:41 PM
So far EE has had a better year than Dunn. They both have 17 extra base hits, and have gotten on base at the same rate. EE has made better contact and has a better average. Having said that, I believe given time Dunn will have a better season.

dougdirt
05-13-2006, 02:07 PM
I will take A, becuase I like him more. Both are good though and Im glad we have them.

kyle1976
05-13-2006, 02:37 PM
How about the RISP stat? I'll take player A plus player B's salary for starting pitching.

TeamBoone
05-13-2006, 02:42 PM
I think the point is that EE carries a much higher BA than Dunn, has three times as many doubles, and half the walks.

Does that make him the more productive player?

The answer is no. EE has exactly two more RBIs than Dunn. And, except for HRs, the remaining stats are relatively even, with Dunn gaining the edge on slugging because of the HRs.

This certainly proves that BA is highly overrated when judging a player's worth. Yet, how many times do you hear a player's worth berated because of BA (especially Adam Dunn).

westofyou
05-13-2006, 02:51 PM
How about the RISP stat?Represents about 23% of the at bats in a season. Only part of the picture and one that's not a constant.

dougdirt
05-13-2006, 02:52 PM
Ouch, I was looking at the splits...with more than 1 runner on base, Adam Dunn is 2-18....He has 4 walks and 6 strikeouts in the same situation.

Edwin is 9-25 with more than 1 runner on base, with 3 walks and 3 strikeouts.

No bash on Dunn becuase as the season goes on he will raise his average with runners on and people will calm down a little bit. He is slugging .605 with risp, not bad at all. Edwin is slugging .625 for those wondering with risp.

kyle1976
05-13-2006, 02:57 PM
Great stat dougdirt!

b_combs23
05-13-2006, 02:59 PM
Eddy gets more clutch hits than Dunn. How many times has Dunn struck or popped out with one out and RISP. It seems that all Dunn's RBI's come in meaningless at bats with a very few exceptions. To me it seems this is the case his whole career

RedsManRick
05-13-2006, 03:34 PM
As much as I hate the stat...

w/RISP

Dunn: .184/.340/.605 -- .945 OPS
Encarnacion: .300/.404/.625 -- 1.029

Sample size problems abound here. But the real point is that If Dunn got the same pitches to hit that Encarnacion did, you'd see a higher BA w/ RISP. He doesn't get anything to hit, because when does hit it, he kills the ball. When he tries to be more aggressive (as Marty suggested last night), he simply swings at pitches that he can't hit well, and strikes out or hits a ball poorly and gets out instead of walking.

The REAL point should be that both are proving to be great offensive players. You don't have to choose just one. We've got both and should enjoy it.

KronoRed
05-13-2006, 03:36 PM
I'll take Dunn

Wheelhouse
05-13-2006, 04:44 PM
Represents about 23% of the at bats in a season. Only part of the picture and one that's not a constant.\

Yeah the 23% that have the highest impact on the game.

Raisor
05-13-2006, 05:05 PM
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Yeah the 23% that have the highest impact on the game.


Runs scored w/o RISP are worth just as much as runs scored w/RISP.

kyred14
05-13-2006, 05:07 PM
.963 OPS for a slumping player. Not bad. Yet, he's still the biggest problem on the team.

reds44
05-13-2006, 05:08 PM
.963 OPS for a slumping player. Not bad. Yet, he's still the biggest problem on the team.
When you walk as much as he does, and hit as many homers as he does, of course your OPS will be high.

Problem is that is all he does.

pedro
05-13-2006, 05:14 PM
Runs scored w/o RISP are worth just as much as runs scored w/RISP.

nuh uh. every run scored by a weak ground ball with a guy on third and less than two outs is actually a home run. I know. I watch lots of baseball.

pedro
05-13-2006, 05:15 PM
When you walk as much as he does, and hit as many homers as he does, of course your OPS will be high.

Problem is that is all he does.

Fact is, that's all he has to do. It's not pretty and many may find it boring, but it's still effective.

reds44
05-13-2006, 05:16 PM
nuh uh. every run scored by a weak ground ball with a guy on third and less than two outs is actually a home run. I know. I watch lots of baseball.
Good pitching and defense, and timely hitting. That is the keys to baseball. Adam Dunn plays terrible defense, and is a terrible timely hitter.

Now the pitching part he can't control.

pedro
05-13-2006, 05:19 PM
Good pitching and defense, and timely hitting. That is the keys to baseball. Adam Dunn plays terrible defense, and is a terrible timely hitter.

Now the pitching part he can't control.


No. The "keys" to baseball is scoring more runs than your opponent. Adam Dunn helps the Reds do that by getting on base and having lots of power. It's irrefutable.

Raisor
05-13-2006, 05:27 PM
When you walk as much as he does, and hit as many homers as he does, of course your OPS will be high.

Problem is that is all he does.


What he does is create runs. I don't care how he does it, just that he does it.