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redsrule2500
05-16-2006, 09:34 PM
This is real, I completely believe that Griffey does something to the team to bring them down. The Reds have experienced this same EXACT thing in years past when Griffey is in/out (like usual).

There is something that happens when Griffey is playing that makes the Reds worse. What it is though - not sure. Maybe the players don't think they have to try as hard? (Stupid, but possible)....Maybe he is too self confident, brings the team down?

It's gotta be something.

dougdirt
05-16-2006, 09:36 PM
Its called he came back in the middle of the entire offense slumping.

IslandRed
05-16-2006, 09:48 PM
Its called he came back in the middle of the entire offense slumping.

Yep.

Basic logic: Just because B follows A, that does not mean A caused B.

redsrule2500
05-16-2006, 09:51 PM
Yep.

Basic logic: Just because B follows A, that does not mean A caused B.


Griffey does something to this team. This has happened in years past.

dougdirt
05-16-2006, 10:02 PM
No.

westofyou
05-16-2006, 10:04 PM
Finger pointing at its finest.

Reds1
05-16-2006, 10:05 PM
That's crazy. We'd be 0-5 if it wasn't for Griffey. This team is in a big time slump.
Remember Phil is like 14 of last 15. They are on fire and have some of the best pitching in the NL

CTA513
05-16-2006, 10:06 PM
Griffey stole my lunch.

:(

KronoRed
05-16-2006, 10:09 PM
They were stinking it up before he got back.

Cant Touch This
05-16-2006, 10:12 PM
Well that solves it. Griffey stole the cookies from the cookie jar. Yes you!

Puffy
05-16-2006, 10:25 PM
ugh. Utterly ridiculous.

Edskin
05-16-2006, 10:59 PM
It's the law of averages, nothing more.

No way this team can compete deep into the summer, with or without Junior. I'm ALL for trading Ken, but not because I think he somehow "brings the team down."

flyer85
05-16-2006, 11:32 PM
Can't be Jr, we all know it's Dunn:D

KronoRed
05-16-2006, 11:34 PM
Can't be Jr, we all know it's Dunn:D
Nah Dunn sucks so much he can't possibly be to blame ;)

flyer85
05-16-2006, 11:37 PM
It's the law of averages, nothing more. I knew "the law" had to have some blame in this

WVPacman
05-16-2006, 11:39 PM
Hav'nt you heard guys ITS NEVER JR's fault!!


Is Freel better yet? if he is I would start him in center then our offense would come back along with the WINS.:thumbup:

CTA513
05-16-2006, 11:52 PM
It has to be Mileys fault, he never gave back Dunn & Griffeys chairs.

WVPacman
05-17-2006, 12:00 AM
It has to be Mileys fault, he never gave back Dunn & Griffeys chairs.


I think you could be on to something bud.:laugh:

The_jbh
05-17-2006, 12:59 AM
can we just delete this thread?

GOOCH
05-17-2006, 07:04 AM
Yep.

Basic logic: Just because B follows A, that does not mean A caused B.

post hoc, ergo propter hoc. D.GOOCH

RedFanAlways1966
05-17-2006, 07:47 AM
BTW... the REDS were 2-3 in the 5 games before Junior came back. Must have been a vibe thing that caused the team to play .400 ball knowing that the EVIL FORCE would soon be back and make them all miserable.

RedFanAlways1966
05-17-2006, 08:15 AM
This is real, I completely believe that Griffey does something to the team to bring them down. The Reds have experienced this same EXACT thing in years past when Griffey is in/out (like usual).

There is something that happens when Griffey is playing that makes the Reds worse. What it is though - not sure. Maybe the players don't think they have to try as hard? (Stupid, but possible)....Maybe he is too self confident, brings the team down?

It's gotta be something.

It is something... called another Griffey basher who is wrong! It just took me 6 minutes to look up the REDS record since 2003 with and w/out Junior playing. 6 whole minutes. 6 minutes that would not make me look foolish. 6 minutes that might(?) make me NOT start a thread that is pure hogwash. Ready for some facts? Here they come and get ready b/c it does not bode well for the thread starter...

2003
with Junior: 43-50 (.462)
w/out Junior: 26-43 (.377)

2004
with Junior: 49-44 (.527)
w/out Junior: 27-42 (.391)

2005
with Junior: 63-74 (.460)
w/out Junior: 10-15 (.400)

Last Three Years
with Junior: 155-168 (.480)
w/out Junior: 63-100 (.387)

Over the last three years the REDS play almost 100 percentage points better with Junior than without. Over the last three seasons the REDS have had a better record in each season with Junior than without him.

SQUASH... goes that scientific theory that started this thread. :bash:

StillFunkyB
05-17-2006, 08:34 AM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g195/stillfunkyb/churchsign.jpg

BuckU
05-17-2006, 08:51 AM
It's all Wily Mo Pena's fault

registerthis
05-17-2006, 09:13 AM
:rolleyes: to this thread.

I want two minutes of my life back.

RBA
05-17-2006, 09:22 AM
It's Arroyo's fault. Is it mere coincidince that the games after Arroyo pitches the Reds go on a losing streak? Arroyo is doing some witch doctoring by sapping the powers of Milton, Clausen, and Williams and using it for his selfish self. Arroyo gains more power as he sucks it from the other pitchers. I can hear his criminal comic book laugh now.

redsfan30
05-17-2006, 09:28 AM
Shouldn't Joe Nuxhall get some of the blame??

Tommyjohn25
05-17-2006, 10:14 AM
I heard that Griffey beat up Chuck Norris.

guttle11
05-17-2006, 02:16 PM
What's Griffey's ERA since coming back? He looked pretty bad on the mound last night.

What does Griffey being back ahave to do with Brandon Phillips being nearly 0-May? Or Freel's slump? Or Aurilia being out?

Roy Tucker
05-17-2006, 02:18 PM
SQUASH... goes that scientific theory that started this thread. :bash:
Don't confuse us with facts.

max venable
05-17-2006, 02:34 PM
Runs scored per game with Griffey this year: 5.0

Runs scored per game w/o Griffey this year: 4.4

RedFanAlways1966
05-17-2006, 02:36 PM
Runs scored per game with Griffey this year: 5.0

Runs scored per game w/o Griffey this year: 4.4

No, no... his presence in the OF makes other REDS make more errors and causes more unearned runs to score. It must be this or SOMETHING.

:help:

BRM
05-17-2006, 02:47 PM
Runs scored per game with Griffey this year: 5.0

Runs scored per game w/o Griffey this year: 4.4

Yeah, but what's the staff ERA with and without Griffey this year? :p:

StillFunkyB
05-17-2006, 03:42 PM
I heard that Griffey beat up Chuck Norris.

I heard Griffey is the one who made Chuck Norris.

You know what they say, Chuck Norris doesn't sleep, he waits.

KronoRed
05-17-2006, 04:18 PM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g195/stillfunkyb/churchsign.jpg
I didn't know a former RZ poster had a church.

Hubba
05-17-2006, 05:39 PM
Just does stupid threads and stupid answers cost extra or is it one lump sum for the bandwith and ect.

max venable
05-17-2006, 07:27 PM
Just does stupid threads and stupid answers cost extra or is it one lump sum for the bandwith and ect.
huh?

George Foster
05-17-2006, 10:40 PM
It's the stupid black uniforms...it's bad luck. We are the Reds. The baseball Gods are punishing us for the dominent color of our away uniforms, and the black bill on our home hats. I'm tellin' ya it's the truth. How many games are we under .500 the 4 or 5 seasons with the black uniforms? You don't spit it the face of the baseball Gods and get away with it. We must change our ways and offer up a sacrifice. May I suggest.......Williams?:D

TheBigLebowski
05-18-2006, 12:30 AM
One thing to consider....and I certainly am not one who blames Griff for this team's woes, but we've been w/o Griff for the latter half of almost every season. We've basically punted in all of those seasons. When we have the Riverbats up here posing as the Reds, we're going to lose more.

Mostly, Griff has played in the earlier part of our seasons, when everyone is healthy and we somehow seem to defy baseball logic by getting off to hot starts although we actually stink.

Again...not meant as an indictment of Griff but, if someone is going to use those stats as an argument, the truth should be told.

KronoRed
05-18-2006, 02:46 AM
Just does stupid threads and stupid answers cost extra or is it one lump sum for the bandwith and ect.
I think it's buy one get 1 free.

Dan
05-18-2006, 07:35 AM
Nah Dunn sucks so much he can't possibly be to blame ;)

You wouldn't say that if Dunn hit more sac flies!

RedFanAlways1966
05-18-2006, 07:56 AM
Again...not meant as an indictment of Griff but, if someone is going to use those stats as an argument, the truth should be told.

But remember.... those stats were used to defuse the 1st post in this thread. Soemthing about Junior having a negative effect on the team when he plays. I know of no other way to show this than the team record with and without Junior.

You are right and most small market teams go through this year-in and year-out. Except last year for the REDS when they were 35-53 at the All-Star Break and 38-36 after the break. Might have been that Narron-Effect!?!? :)

GAC
05-18-2006, 08:19 AM
Griffey does something to this team. This has happened in years past.

Would you care to prove this?

How do you account for the Reds being on fire while he was in there till April 12th?

What you had in April were some guys who came out of the gate and played well above their career norms...

Ryan Freel could NEVER maintain a OB% over .400 (as he had in April).

Phillips has a career .262 OB%. He came here on fire, and that may have something to do with league change and pitcher unfamiliarity. He has since (in May) regressed back to his career norm (.250).

Dunn, going into last night's game was 4 for his last 43.

So explain again how this is all Griffey's fault?

Maybe this lineup missed guys like Jr (and Aurilia). The team started to slump offensively after they lost them. ;)

GAC
05-18-2006, 08:46 AM
It's the law of averages, nothing more.

Yeah Ed, but most of these players never studied law. ;)

membengal
05-18-2006, 03:06 PM
Reds are 0-5 since I drove up for the game last Friday night...

KronoRed
05-18-2006, 03:34 PM
Reds are 0-5 since I drove up for the game last Friday night...
Get a rope.

GAC
05-18-2006, 03:55 PM
Reds are 0-5 since I drove up for the game last Friday night...

same here. What a coincedence! :lol:

registerthis
05-18-2006, 04:58 PM
I guess the Reds forgot that Junior was playing today, and they went and won with him in the lineup.

God, they're so inconsistent.

WVRedsFan
05-19-2006, 02:08 AM
How many times are we going to hear this over and over?

Moosie52
05-19-2006, 08:02 AM
I want to thank Jason LaRue for his contributions to yesterday's win.

registerthis
05-19-2006, 09:55 AM
How many times are we going to hear this over and over?

Everytime they win with Junior in the lineup, it will be a "fluke."

Everytime they lose with him in the lineup, he'll be blamed.

Everytime he gets injured and the Reds win a few games, it's further proof of Junior's worthlessness.

This same scenario has been playing itself out for several years now, it's not particularly surprising.

BRM
05-19-2006, 10:32 AM
Is Lopez the only Reds regular that is liked by most fans? It seems there are endless posts and threads claiming nearly every Reds starter sucks and should be traded. Griffey, Dunn and LaRue seem to be the biggest targets with the occasional rip of Kearns.

membengal
05-19-2006, 11:41 AM
In fairness, there was a "Lopez sucks" thread about three weeks ago when he had the temerity to slump.

The problem, as always, is when people refuse to take a long view to slumps and team and individual performance...

Unassisted
05-19-2006, 11:51 AM
And what's their record in '06 with Aurilia out of the lineup? :evil:

westofyou
05-19-2006, 03:51 PM
Is Lopez the only Reds regular that is liked by most fans? It seems there are endless posts and threads claiming nearly every Reds starter sucks and should be traded. Griffey, Dunn and LaRue seem to be the biggest targets with the occasional rip of Kearns.
Yep, it's pathetic... and the endless moronic takes on the game are stunning too.

It's enough to make you want to avoid this place.

letsgojunior
05-19-2006, 04:41 PM
And what's their record in '06 with Aurilia out of the lineup? :evil:

You know Aurilia is a scrappy veteran who has postseason experience and knows how to win, right?