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redsfan4445
05-17-2006, 11:38 AM
Per sportsline.com
"The Reds have expressed interest in former Royals pitcher Joe Mays, who was released Monday after Kansas City was unable to trade him, says the Kansas City Star. "

redsfan30
05-17-2006, 11:38 AM
:help:

savafan
05-17-2006, 11:38 AM
Why?

traderumor
05-17-2006, 11:40 AM
oh goody

IslandRed
05-17-2006, 11:49 AM
Why?

Because we still have Dave Williams on the roster and who knows if Eric Milton's ever going to be any good again or if Paul Wilson will ever pitch again, and it's probably stretching optimism for both Claussen and Ramirez to be effective all year. Joe Mays isn't a good pitcher. But sometimes, it's enough if he's just a little better than the guy he'd replace. Not saying he is, mind you. Just that we can expect the Reds to take a long look at practically anything that can pick up a baseball.

edabbs44
05-17-2006, 11:52 AM
I'd rather have Willie Mays.

It's becoming painfully obvious that help is not on the way.

BRM
05-17-2006, 11:53 AM
Well, he should be able to be had pretty cheap but I'm not sure he'd be of any help.

savafan
05-17-2006, 11:56 AM
Well, he should be able to be had pretty cheap but I'm not sure he'd be of any help.

He'd be available for a prorated amount of the league minimum, with the Royals picking up the rest of his contract. At least that's how I think it works.

redsmetz
05-17-2006, 11:58 AM
If we're signing him after he clears waivers, the Royals are on the hook for it all. It's also possible that he might agree to a minor league deal and let him see what he can do at Louisville. I said right away that Krivskey might take a flyer on him since he started in Minnesota. I don't see him as a pick up for the ML roster at this point, but to have a look at him at AAA, I'd like that move.

flyer85
05-17-2006, 12:01 PM
Why?he used to be a Twin, there is a trend for some GMs to have a perverse fascination with certain bad players.

Johnny Footstool
05-17-2006, 12:06 PM
If the Royals cut you, you have no business pitching at all.

flyer85
05-17-2006, 12:07 PM
If the Royals cut you, you have no business pitching at all.I was hoping that with the end of the DanO era the Reds would quit picking up castoffs of the worst pitching teams in baseball. (DanO was fascinated with Eggs and Rangers castoffs).

Jr's Boy
05-17-2006, 12:09 PM
I'd rather see Krivsky go after Greinke.

TStuck
05-17-2006, 12:17 PM
People, people, people....:bang:
Given the front office track record of the preceding several years, I understand a certain amount of cynicism is justly deserved, but come on. So far, Krivsky has done nothing but show that his evaluation of talent is good and that he's not going to make desperation grabs or collect garbage just to be able to say he made a move. Many of you are the first to realize that more times than not the "heat" rising from these rumors is just steam rising off of a freshly dropped cow pie. Let's not get our shorts in a wad just yet.
Let's remain calm.:cool:

CTA513
05-17-2006, 12:19 PM
he used to be a Twin, there is a trend for some GMs to have a perverse fascination with certain bad players.

Maybe hes going to pick up ex-twins players like Jimbo picks up ex-reds players?

:eek:

guttle11
05-17-2006, 12:42 PM
Sign him, stick him in the bullpen. Can't be worse than White or Hammond. There is precedent for Mays going to the bullpen. If you remember, Joe Nathan was a starter at one point.

ochre
05-17-2006, 12:44 PM
the Reds already have inefficient left handed starters that should be in the bullpen.

Patrick Bateman
05-17-2006, 01:00 PM
Sign him, stick him in the bullpen. Can't be worse than White or Hammond.

Yes he could.

OldXOhio
05-17-2006, 02:20 PM
I'd rather have Willie Mays.

It's becoming painfully obvious that help is not on the way.

Relax. It's May and the new regime's been on the job only a few months.

max venable
05-17-2006, 02:21 PM
From the KC Star:


Mays released

The Royals wrote off right-hander Joe Mays as a $1 million loss by releasing him Monday after failing in efforts to trade him. The Reds had expressed some interest.

Mays, 30, was 0-4 with a 10.27 ERA in six starts. He was designated for assignment May 8 when the club activated Denny Bautista from the disabled list.

The release allows Mays to become a free agent. The Royals can still recoup of portion of his $1 million salary if he signs elsewhere. His new team would be obligated to pay a prorated share of the major-league minimum salary of $327,000.LINK (http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/baseball/mlb/kansas_city_royals/14596441.htm)

kyle1976
05-17-2006, 02:28 PM
If Mays joins us and goes to AAA he would join Darrell May. What a dynamic duo that is! :KoolAid: Both not good enough for the Royals, but what the heck, we'll gladly take them to fill up our system.

indy_dave00
05-17-2006, 02:35 PM
Joe Mays has been ineffective since 2001 as a major league pitcher, its not as if he has suddendly lost it. He was 17-13 with a 3.16 era before hurting his arm in 2002.

Since that season he's been 4-8 with a 5.38 era in 2002. The 8-8 ,,6.30 era , missed 2004 season , then 6-10 with a 5.65 era last season.


Now 0-4 with a 10.27 era sorry Joe's career is over makes no sense to even bring him in to pitch at Louisville , at 30 he's not going to magically regain his form of 5 years ago. Yes , Joe Nathan was a starter at one time but he throws 97mph out of the pen , Mays would be lucky to throw 85.

kyle1976
05-17-2006, 02:40 PM
Joe Mays has been ineffective since 2001 as a major league pitcher, its not as if he has suddendly lost it. He was 17-13 with a 3.16 era before hurting his arm in 2002.

Since that season he's been 4-8 with a 5.38 era in 2002. The 8-8 ,,6.30 era , missed 2004 season , then 6-10 with a 5.65 era last season.


Now 0-4 with a 10.27 era sorry Joe's career is over makes no sense to even bring him in to pitch at Louisville , at 30 he's not going to magically regain his form of 5 years ago. Yes , Joe Nathan was a starter at one time but he throws 97mph out of the pen , Mays would be lucky to throw 85.

Nice post.

CincyReds2003
05-17-2006, 04:14 PM
I'd rather have Willie Mays.

It's becoming painfully obvious that help is not on the way.


Or even Willie Mays Hayes!:D

Handofdeath
05-17-2006, 04:21 PM
If Mays joins us and goes to AAA he would join Darrell May. What a dynamic duo that is! :KoolAid: Both not good enough for the Royals, but what the heck, we'll gladly take them to fill up our system.

So if the Royals don't want them we shouldn't take a chance on them? What have the Royals done in the last 20 years that makes them experts on player evaluation? If they could evaluate players and coach them properly, they wouldn't be in the position they are in as the absolute worst team in baseball. They have no current stars or future stars in that organization.

KronoRed
05-17-2006, 04:27 PM
If we're signing Royal castoffs then it's time to call it a season.

Handofdeath
05-17-2006, 04:55 PM
If we're signing Royal castoffs then it's time to call it a season.

What do the Royals know about anything? They put all of their eggs in one basket with Greinke and have nearly ruined him. How could they have not known the guy was having mental problems before? If the Royals don't want him, so much more the reason to give him a shot. Bad coaching can ruin a good prospect and they have plenty of bad coaching.

Wheelhouse
05-17-2006, 05:12 PM
I trust Krivsky's moves until he gives me a reason to do otherwise.

Ltlabner
05-17-2006, 05:32 PM
Kriv has done pretty well so far with the people he's brought to town. I'm willing to trust him on this if (1) it doesn't cost much of anything (b) he goes to the farm system. We're a "small market team" (god, I hate that term) so we have to try different things to strech our payroll budget.

That said, this is a rumor in an industry that turns out a new wild rumor faster than Coffey can run in from the bullpen.

gm
05-17-2006, 06:10 PM
Zach Day was all washed up and not worth acquiring a few weeks ago...then he stymied the Red's offense

Comparing ZD and JM could be apples/oranges...or not

StillFunkyB
05-17-2006, 06:31 PM
oh goody

HAHAHAHA, That is the first comment that came to my mind as well.

MartyFan
05-17-2006, 07:34 PM
Would Mays be someone to consider as a closer or setup guy to come in in the 7th or 8th inning?

I have no idea just curious to know if that could be a line of thinking.

Heath
05-17-2006, 08:33 PM
Because we still have Dave Williams on the roster and who knows if Eric Milton's ever going to be any good again or if Paul Wilson will ever pitch again, and it's probably stretching optimism for both Claussen and Ramirez to be effective all year. Joe Mays isn't a good pitcher. But sometimes, it's enough if he's just a little better than the guy he'd replace. Not saying he is, mind you. Just that we can expect the Reds to take a long look at practically anything that can pick up a baseball.

Spot On. This needed to be on Page 2 as well. That's why Darrell May's here.

reds2221
05-17-2006, 08:33 PM
If Mays joins us and goes to AAA he would join Darrell May. What a dynamic duo that is! :KoolAid: Both not good enough for the Royals, but what the heck, we'll gladly take them to fill up our system.
yes, but in the long run its a very stupid move.

RedLegSuperStar
05-17-2006, 08:39 PM
I wouldn't be against the signing. For one we arn't winning games as of late and I'd take Mays over White or even Hammonds at this point. To be honest I'd even think about using Mays to close and mover Stormy to middle relief. What do we lose? Nothing but a roster spot and league minimum. He did pitch for KC.. but really whats that saying for a last place one that is battling with Florida to not have the worst record.

captainmorgan07
05-17-2006, 10:04 PM
he sure looks better than white and hammond

IslandRed
05-17-2006, 10:22 PM
yes, but in the long run its a very stupid move.

It's only stupid if stashing him in Triple-A takes away innings or a roster spot from someone with a future, and as barren as our upper-level farm clubs are, I don't think there's anything to worry about there. :help:

Johnny Footstool
05-18-2006, 12:14 AM
To be honest I'd even think about using Mays to close and mover Stormy to middle relief.

Closer.

You're serious?


What do we lose?

Games. Many, many games.

ghettochild
05-18-2006, 12:18 AM
Or even Willie Mays Hayes!:D
we've got a willie mays hays...brandon phillips