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TC81190
05-19-2006, 07:33 PM
:confused:

Joseph
05-19-2006, 07:36 PM
IIRC it was indeed.

Mario-Rijo
05-19-2006, 07:37 PM
Yes it was, at least in the regular season for sure!

KronoRed
05-19-2006, 08:58 PM
Hope they don't make it a regular occurrence.

Far East
05-20-2006, 02:09 AM
Hope they don't make it a regular occurrence.
I do; I'd rather see him where his erratic throwing would be less harmful, say at 1B of even LF.

From an earlier post of mine in another thread:
"...To get the best gloves in the game against LH starters (in the AL parks) I'd like to see:
1B-DUNN
2B-PHILLIPS
SS-LOPEZ
3B-AURILIA
LF-ENCARNACION
CF-FREEL
RF-KEARNS
C-LARUE
DH-GRIFFEY

Putting EE in LF... is a leap of faith without having played there in ST, but sight unseen, and considering his athleticism, I'd predict equal or better results than from Dunn, even a better arm. Based on the terrible record of the Reds' defense so far, these are the 8 position players I'd prefer if I were a Reds' pitcher."

Pedro in the next post then astutely asked: "We're going to get the best gloves into the game by putting a player at a position he has never played before and putting a statue at 3B?"

Yes, but I'd love to see EE given some practice time in the OF before he was sent out there in a real game.

And if Pedro wonders about a statue at the hot corner, well, the Reds had one of those of the Mayor at the other corner for years. We just don't want the statues on the middle infield.

KronoRed
05-20-2006, 02:11 AM
EE is way too young to move permanently.

reds44
05-20-2006, 02:22 AM
Lol ok chalk up aother one to the list.

Dunn to 1st
Griffey to LF
EE to LF
Phillips to SS
Felipe to 2B
Freel to CF

do I have it all?

dougdirt
05-20-2006, 02:29 AM
Lol ok chalk up aother one to the list.

Dunn to 1st
Griffey to LF
EE to LF
Phillips to SS
Felipe to 2B
Freel to CF

do I have it all?
No. We have these:
Griffey to 1B
EE to 1B
Coffey to closer
Me to manager

Ok so I added that last one in myself, but hey it would be sweet.

deltachi8
05-20-2006, 09:35 AM
Moving EE would be completely insane. He has exceptional range for a 3B, he saves more with his range than his arm lets in. Just does not show up in the box score. His arm is strong and he needs work - he wont get that at LF or 1b.

You want to move someone to 1b, make it Dunn, they way it should have been all along.

TeamBoone
05-20-2006, 02:35 PM
EE is way too young to move permanently.

Totally agree.

He IS the Reds future third baseman and has to take his lumps at the major league level just like any other young player making the adjustment from the minors to the majors. He needs to play 3B... period.

Mario-Rijo
05-20-2006, 08:55 PM
Totally agree.

He IS the Reds future third baseman and has to take his lumps at the major league level just like any other young player making the adjustment from the minors to the majors. He needs to play 3B... period.


Without question he should continue on at 3rd! I think something that's lost in most of the error arguments (w/ or w/o EE) is that people tend to overlook the fact if you have great range you get to more balls thus more chances of making a bad throw. Most every good third basemen I have seen or heard about had his problems early on.

Case in point:

Brooks Robinson- The Greatest fielding 3rd Bagger of all time had this line.
1955-12 chances 2 errors in 6 games, 1 every 6 chances
1956-36 chances 2 errors in 14 games, 1 every 18 chances
1957-103 chances with 3 errors in 47 games, an error every 34 chances.
1958-447 chances with 21 errors in 140 games, an error every 21 times.
1959-292 chances 13 errors in 87 games, 22.5 times.
1960-511 chances 12 errors in 152 games. The avg you ask? Try an unreal 42.6 times. It took a while to become a GG.

Mike Schmidt- Another multiple gold glove winner at the hot corner.
1972-28 chances 1 error in 11 games, obviously an error every 28 chances
1973-369 chances 17 errors in 125 games, an error every 21 chances.
1974-564 chances 26 errors in 162 games, an error every 21 chances.
1975-524 chances 24 errors in 151 games, an error every 21 chances.
Talk about consistency wow. However look at the amount of errors in 1 season! He did have better seasons.

Scott Rolen- Baseball's current Gold standard of glovemen at 3B.
1996-87 chances 4 errors in 37 games, 1 error every 21 chances.
1997-459 chances 24 errors in 155 games, 1 every 19 chances
1998-468 chances 14 errors in 159 games, 1 every 33 chances
1999-338 chances 14 errors in 112 games, 1 every 25 chances

Edwin Encarnacion- "The Phenom" (Perhaps)
2005-180 chances 10 errors in 56 games, 1 in every 18 chances
2006-95 chances 11 errors in 37 games, 1 in 8 chances
This year has stunk but we don't know how those other guys performed early in those 1st 2 years so give it until the end of the season.

The one common theme amongst the GG's is that they took about a year and a half to become solid (Ok maybe not Schmidtty) and 2-4 years to become awesome. EE's '05 season is on par w/ the HOF's early years, yes that's right HOF 3rd baggers. EE isn't neccesarily as elite but he certainly is in the 'hood and we aren't even talking about good 3Bmen were talking the elite. Again it's too early to tell if he's that good just as it's way too early to figure that he's anywhere close to bad. If I'm making the decisions I would at least give him all this year and perhaps even midway through next before making a determination.


The bad you ask? Too many too list but from all the stats I've seen an excellent 3rd bagger rarely has 25 or more in a season and never 30 or more. The solid ones may have 25-30 at times but never as much as 35. 35 or more and it's time to change positions.