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BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 02:40 PM
someone explain how dunn only goes from 1st to third on a shot to deep left center at a field that is 420?? to center yet he tries to score from third on a ground ball to third???????

doug flynn
05-21-2006, 02:40 PM
When they point out Dunn wasn't running hard it makes you wonder.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:41 PM
Ordonez singles to left.

wheels
05-21-2006, 02:41 PM
someone explain how dunn only goes from 1st to third on a shot to deep left center at a field that is 420?? to center yet he tries to score from third on a ground ball to third???????

It's called a third base coach.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:43 PM
Harang is feeding high fastballs to Young. It's working.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:43 PM
Young strikes out swinging. 6 K's for Harang. 2 outs.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 02:44 PM
there booing young

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 02:44 PM
well if narron's pregame remarks about harang going 8 then coffey for an inning are going to be true something needs to happen soon

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 02:46 PM
Shelton single...first and third.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 02:46 PM
monroe to the plate

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:46 PM
Shelton singles to right. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:46 PM
This Shelton guy is pretty impressive.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 02:46 PM
Monroe scares me in this situation...

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 02:47 PM
The Tigers play "small ball". It helps to have hitters that can hit with runners on the move. :p:

cincy09
05-21-2006, 02:47 PM
yeAH

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:47 PM
Not with those swings he doesn't.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 02:47 PM
harang strikes him out

wheels
05-21-2006, 02:48 PM
Brilliant outing by Harang.

Moving the ball around as well as he has all season long.

Let's get him some runs.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:48 PM
Bing,bang,boom. Nice K by Harang!

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 02:48 PM
Crunch time for Harang. K's Monroe and makes Monroe look bad in a 3-pitch AB.

Harang w/ a 3.74 ERA after that inning.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:48 PM
Monroe strikes out swinging. 7 K's for Harang. 0-0 after 7.

DoogMinAmo
05-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Dunn wins this game, I call it right now.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Brilliant outing by Harang.

Moving the ball around as well as he has all season long.

Let's get him some runs.
Wheels, call for the inning with no runs. Get some reverse psych going.

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 02:49 PM
Monroe scares me in this situation...

You are starting to make us wish for more of your comments before certain ABs, edabbs44! ;)

wheels
05-21-2006, 02:49 PM
I can't see Robertson finishing this game with his pitch count where it is.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:50 PM
I can't see Robertson finishing this game with his pitch count where it is.

Let's hope he doesn't finish this inning.

wheels
05-21-2006, 02:50 PM
Another leadoff walk for Felipe.

Robertson cannot last.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 02:50 PM
You are starting to make us wish for more of your comments before certain ABs, edabbs44! ;)
No way Lopez scores after the leadoff walk...no way!:)

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:51 PM
Lopez leads off with a walk

reds44
05-21-2006, 02:51 PM
FeLo walks

He neefs to be moving IMO.

Mr. Clutch up

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:51 PM
Here we go again....let's finish this time.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:52 PM
You know Zamayas isn't coming in to face JR. haha

wheels
05-21-2006, 02:52 PM
Do the Tigers have anyone up in the pen?

Oh yeah, Rodney.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:54 PM
Full count, hold on.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:55 PM
Junior flies out to right. 1 out.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:55 PM
Rich is due.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 02:56 PM
Has Junior ever been a spray type hitter? I'd love to see him do more than just pull the ball. Hitting what is given to you tends to be more effective in the long run.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 02:57 PM
Fernando Rodney in to pitch.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 02:57 PM
Has Junior ever been a spray type hitter? I'd love to see him do more than just pull the ball. Hitting what is given to you tends to be more effective in the long run.

He's pretty good at going opposite field. Watch him in batting practice some time, that's all he practices. Has hit many homers to the left side.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 02:57 PM
Wheels, call for the inning with no runs. Get some reverse psych going.

I was tardy with my reverse psycho on Junior. ;)

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 02:58 PM
come on RA use that veteran savyness

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 02:58 PM
I think a hit and run would be a nice move here...no Pudge behind the plate.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 02:59 PM
we need something scrappy to happen

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 02:59 PM
He's pretty good at going opposite field. Watch him in batting practice some time, that's all he practices. Has hit many homers to the left side.

I'm not talking about BP. Pokey Reese could hit'em out all day in BP. Has Junior hit any homeruns to LF this year? There might have been one or two, just can't remember.

BoydsOfSummer
05-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Junior fouls a whole bunch off to the left side I've noticed. Dunno why that is other than he's adept at spoiling pitches that way.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Chess match is on with Lopez.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Pujols vs Elarton...one guess as to the outcome of that matchup.

1-0 cards.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:01 PM
I'm not talking about BP. Pokey Reese could hit'em out all day in BP. Has Junior hit any homeruns to LF this year? There might have been one or two, just can't remember.

I think I remember one from this year.....outta his 4. He isn't entirely a pull hitter is what I'm trying to say. Not as much as Dunn or Thome likes.

wheels
05-21-2006, 03:01 PM
we need something scrappy to happen

:laugh:

Funniest quote of the game thread.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:01 PM
Pujols vs Elarton...one guess as to the outcome of that matchup.

1-0 cards.
boy who didn't guess that one was coming

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:02 PM
Dumbest pickoff look ever. Quit it, you're embarassing yourself.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:03 PM
Lopez pegged at 2nd.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:03 PM
Way to go Lopez.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:03 PM
Lopez is caught stealing 2nd. 2 outs.

He looked safe on the replay.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 03:03 PM
that wasnt scrappy

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:03 PM
heck of a throw

VR
05-21-2006, 03:03 PM
Rich swinging at balls 3,4 & 5

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Ugh...

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
I'm not talking about BP. Pokey Reese could hit'em out all day in BP. Has Junior hit any homeruns to LF this year? There might have been one or two, just can't remember.

The guy is a Hall-of-Famer to be... perhaps a 1st ballot guy. Don't know about you, but I'd have to say that he does a pretty good job at this thing called baseball.

But we all run into people who seem to know more. Always look to find fault. That Grand Slam last night looked good flying over the RF wall. Did you watch that?

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Aurilia grounds out to 3rd. 0-0 mid 8th.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Lopez gets thrown out by a 150 year old catcher. :D

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
is it just me or does it look like lately that lopez has permanent crainial rectumitis

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
why do i think this one's goin to extra's

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Running out of chances boys...running out of chances.

wheels
05-21-2006, 03:05 PM
Harang's in much better shape than Robertson going in to his inning.

He needs to finish this inning.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:05 PM
Well if Harang pitches a scoreless 8th, and we put up a run in the top of the 9th, then Coffey can come in and make Narron look like a prophet.

NavyRedsFan
05-21-2006, 03:06 PM
31,515 showed up for this Titanic struggle.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:07 PM
The guy is a Hall-of-Famer to be... perhaps a 1st ballot guy. Don't know about you, but I'd have to say that he does a pretty good job at this thing called baseball.

But we all run into people who seem to know more. Always look to find fault. That Grand Slam last night looked good flying over the RF wall. Did you watch that?

Please keep your personal attacks to yourself, thank you.

Cedric
05-21-2006, 03:07 PM
I'm trying to be positive here, does anyone see the Reds winning this game?

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:07 PM
With the arms this Tiger's team has, they are going to make some noise all summer long.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:07 PM
Inge leads off with a walk.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:08 PM
31,515 showed up for this Titanic struggle.

Impressive considering Game 7 in Detroit.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:08 PM
Bad timing for Harang's first walk of the game.

CrackerJack
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
ah and the inevitable game deciding defensive blunder appears finally

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
Um....

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
Oh no. Wilson bunts, Harang fields the ball attempts a backhanded throw and throws it away. 1st and 3rd with no outs.

Matt700wlw
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
This is the worst defensive club I have ever seen.

They make me want to scream.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
Awwwwww.....Harang trying to lose this himself.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:09 PM
Reds assassin is up.

Cedric
05-21-2006, 03:10 PM
Reds baseball. Gotta love it. The problem with this team is that you never know who the main culprit is going to be. We have no room for error.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:10 PM
I'm trying to be positive here, does anyone see the Reds winning this game?

NOPE. Harang tries hotdogging a throw to 1B on a sac bunt. He had ALL DAY to make a calculated throw. We're seeing the beginning of the end here, folks. :D

VR
05-21-2006, 03:10 PM
Death by Vance Wilson...oy

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:10 PM
The good news is if the Tigers score, Todd Jones comes in.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:10 PM
Way to go Harang. 10 years since a playoff appearance, its crap like this why I hate getting excited for a game or season.

Matt700wlw
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Coffey warming...

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
can we play the benny hill theme when the reds are on defense over the stadium speakers

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Talk about needing a K.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Harang definitely paniced....had the time.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
And there's the K.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Alrigight Harang, 1 K ... you better make up for this mess you put out.

indyred
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
over 100k for the series there....

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Grunderson strikes out swinging. 8 K's for Harang. 1 out.

Now we need a DP.

VR
05-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Is Polanco on anyone's steroid suspect list?

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Big K though. Groundball (normally) gets us out of it.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Det announcers expecting squeeze.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Is Polanco on anyone's steroid suspect list?
Really? Why do you say that?

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Please keep your personal attacks to yourself, thank you.

Nothin' personal... only the truth. Sorry if that hurts.

indyred
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
1-0 dink single to right

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Polanco pinch hits and singles to right. 1-0 Tigers.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Great. 1-0 Detroit.

NavyRedsFan
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Reds baseball. Gotta love it. The problem with this team is that you never know who the main culprit is going to be. We have no room for error.
Yet we lead the league:bang:

Cedric
05-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Polanco is scrappy.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:14 PM
There's the run .. another late inning collapse. And great offense as usual.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:14 PM
wats jones number this year saving games

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:15 PM
Hopefully we can mess up Todd Jones then.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:15 PM
wats jones number this year saving games
ERA somewhere in the 4s.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:15 PM
harang needs to get this out

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:15 PM
There's the run .. another late inning collapse. And great offense as usual.

24 runs in the last 3 games. Before that... yes, I agree! :thumbdown

smith288
05-21-2006, 03:16 PM
Regardless of this late game run, the offense was the major problem today. 0 runs. Count them... zero, nill, nada

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:16 PM
Todd Jones ERA is 4.05

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:16 PM
harang strikes um out

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:16 PM
EE has to get to the base there, but double play ends the inning.

No faith in Todd Jones, this game is going past the top of the 9th.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:16 PM
Double play. Guillen strikes out and Larue throws out the lead runner attempting to steal 3rd. 1-0 Tigers after 8.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:16 PM
and larue throws um out

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:17 PM
Double play! Still in it.....do or die.

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 03:17 PM
This team never fails to amaze me.They get a great pitching performance,but zero offense.It's almost like they only hit when their starters get roughed up early.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:17 PM
Kearns, Dunn, EdE due up.

OldXOhio
05-21-2006, 03:18 PM
Way to go Harang. 10 years since a playoff appearance, its crap like this why I hate getting excited for a game or season.

Yes, clearly Harang is to blame for this with his 8 IP of 1 run baseball :rolleyes:

DoogMinAmo
05-21-2006, 03:18 PM
Leland is his own worst enemy.


Kearns, Dunn, EdE due up.

There is hope.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:18 PM
over 100k for the series there....

Would be a hell of a WS matchup, if the Reds could leave the hotdog salesmen at home.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:18 PM
Todd Jones in to pitch.

Kearns, Dunn and EE due up.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:18 PM
24 runs in the last 3 games. Before that... yes, I agree! :thumbdown

Oh we're fine when we are piling it on in a blowout or giving run support to a POS like Milton. But we can't get a run for Harang. We probably have the most games under 2 runs and over 8 runs offense in baseball. It's ridiculous, this team makes no sense. I guess when we paly a good pitcher we get completely shut down, but we destroy anyone who is terrible.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:19 PM
Jones: 12/13 save/opp.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:19 PM
only 12 saves for jones

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 03:19 PM
Lets go ears!

DoogMinAmo
05-21-2006, 03:20 PM
yllar spac no

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:20 PM
Kearns hit by the pitch. It was close but apparently just grazed his arm.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:21 PM
What the.....?

Dunner44
05-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Whats this on-field delay crap?

smith288
05-21-2006, 03:21 PM
F'n stupid

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Dunn bunts! whoa .. lol

Matt700wlw
05-21-2006, 03:21 PM
Dunn bunting?

Nice!!

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 03:21 PM
wow great bunt by dunn

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
We probably have the most games under 2 runs and over 8 runs offense in baseball. It's ridiculous, this team makes no sense.

You have a point! 43 games coming into today... 11 games with 2 or less runs ; 12 games with 8 or more runs.

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Hmm sac bunt.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Glad Kearns is on base, but he's a better hitter than to be swinging (that's what it looked like to me) at crap like that.

Nice bunt by Dunn. I can't imagine that Narron called for that bunt.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Dunn sacrifices the runner to 2nd. 1 out.

FindlayRed
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Didnt see that one coming, nice job Dunn!

smith288
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Way to take Dunns bat out of his hands and give up a cherished out.

BoydsOfSummer
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
LMAO......A Dunn bunt. Hope you nummers are happy now.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
Adam Dunn bunt! Somebody check to see if Hell has frozen over. I believe that's his first career bunt.

captainmorgan07
05-21-2006, 03:22 PM
did they have the shift on?

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Now where the person who 's always asking Dunn to bunt.

billy117
05-21-2006, 03:23 PM
standing ovation for dunn

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Now come on EE!

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Cmon eddy!

VR
05-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Really? Why do you say that?

He ops'd at about .640 his first 7 years or so in the game, suddenly comes up w/ the Cards in '99 and begins putting up power #'s that he never before came close to.

Besides the balding and cheeks full of walnuts ;)

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:23 PM
Down to the last out.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
90 feet away.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
Encarnacion grounds out to short. Kearns goes to 3rd.

Valentin pinch hitting for Larue.

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
Time for some Valentin magic.

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
Valentin pinch hitting? Interesting.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
Comeon ...

BigREDSfaninKY
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
did they have the shift on?


yes they did and if it had gotten past Jones, Dunn would've beaten it out.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
C'mon Valentin.

smith288
05-21-2006, 03:24 PM
Just want everyone to know i HATED that bunt by Dunn. HATED it.

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:25 PM
Adam Dunn bunt! Somebody check to see if Hell has frozen over. I believe that's his first career bunt.

That'd be 1 more than Hall-of-Famer Harmon Killebrew! :D

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:25 PM
If they bring in a lefty we're screwed.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:25 PM
Way to take Dunns bat out of his hands and give up a cherished out.

While I don't think Narron called for that bunt, I'm glad Dunn did it. It moved the runner over, something the Reds have reverted to having trouble doing. Secondly, Dunn strikes out A LOT, and a sac fly attempt would have been useless against these Detroit outfielders.

GOREDSGO32
05-21-2006, 03:25 PM
Another loss ... jeez ...

gitrdunn44
05-21-2006, 03:25 PM
Darnit.

Dunner44
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
Well crap

smith288
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
Im done with this team for a couple of days. They just make me mad and im too happy a person to get this bent out of shape.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
Valentin flies out to center. Tigers win 1-0.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
What's new. Reds lose another interleague series.

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
Well the wheels are starting to come off.

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
REDS 4th time getting shutout this season. 3rd time this month. :(

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
Just want everyone to know i HATED that bunt by Dunn. HATED it.
No problem with the bunt. Needed one run there.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 03:26 PM
we lost yesterday on a botched throw from lopez--we lose today on a botched throw on a bunt--can we find some more depressing ways to lose--well my 1-0 prediction came true

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:27 PM
Reds lose again, 1-0. Will be 4 games out after the Cards win today, possibly wind up tied with the Astros for second place. Not looking good.

NastyBoy
05-21-2006, 03:27 PM
Back to back games... defense loses it for the reds.

TeamSelig
05-21-2006, 03:27 PM
Not sure about this. We gave them an out for Dunn, who gets on base at a very high clip, and has the power to give us the lead with one swing. Hmm... then pinch hit Valetin for LaRue? Pinch hitting is a rough job, why not leave in the already warm & ready to go LaRue?

CTA513
05-21-2006, 03:27 PM
REDS 4th time getting shutout this season. 3rd time this month. :(

2nd straight start were Harang threw the ball away.

westofyou
05-21-2006, 03:27 PM
No problem with the bunt. Needed one run there.
Playing for the tie on the road goes against baseball wisdom.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:27 PM
Props to Harang and that loss can be pinned on the lineup. Horrific situational hitting and to come up empty on a lot of those chances is just flat out embarrassing.

Matt700wlw
05-21-2006, 03:28 PM
Im done with this team for a couple of days. They just make me mad and im too happy a person to get this bent out of shape.

We'll see you tomorrow.

fisch11
05-21-2006, 03:28 PM
Reds lose again, 1-0. Will be 4 games out after the Cards win today, possibly wind up tied with the Astros for second place. Not looking good.

This time last year the astros were 15 games out on an 8 game losing streak. And the Indians were below .500. Still plenty of baseball left.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:29 PM
Playing for the tie on the road goes against baseball wisdom.
So does bringing in your best reliever on friday night with a 4 or 5 run lead, making him unavailable the following night.

BUTLER REDSFAN
05-21-2006, 03:29 PM
it is maddening to watch a once 12 game over .500 team go to 4 games out on error after error after error...

CTA513
05-21-2006, 03:29 PM
Also shouldnt that run Harang gave up be unearned?

NastyBoy
05-21-2006, 03:29 PM
Playing for the tie on the road goes against baseball wisdom.

Hitting into second double play of the game would have been better.

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:30 PM
6th time this month where the REDS had 4 or less hits in a game (19G)... OUCH!

:bang:

OnBaseMachine
05-21-2006, 03:30 PM
Hitting into second double play of the game would have been better.

Dunn very rarely grounds into a double play.

Reds Fanatic
05-21-2006, 03:31 PM
Also shouldnt that run Harang gave up be unearned?No because the bunt got the runner to 2nd and the single would have scored the runner anyway. If the other runner had ended up scoring that would have been unearned.

saboforthird
05-21-2006, 03:31 PM
This time last year the astros were 15 games out on an 8 game losing streak. And the Indians were below .500. Still plenty of baseball left.

Love your optimism, but we've been down this road before with the Reds. Well, sort of. The Astros spent the money for the pitching to push them over the top. Not sure what the Indians did. The Reds aren't going to spend the money this year to make the kind of run you're incinuating. The Reds' playoff run starts NOW, because if they're not in it at the All-Star break, fuh-get about it.

KYRed
05-21-2006, 03:32 PM
Props to Harang and that loss can be pinned on the lineup. Horrific situational hitting and to come up empty on a lot of those chances is just flat out embarrassing.

If Harang had given up 1 run without an error by himself maybe I'd feel sorry for him getting a loss with 1 run given up in 8. As it is, he lost the game himself with his weak no effort throw in the 8th to 1st base.

Yes, by all means it is absolutely inexcusable to not drive a run in with runners on 2nd & 3rd with no out for the Reds, but Harang lost all sympathy with his throw to 1st.

Redhook
05-21-2006, 03:33 PM
Glad to see Narron's constant preaching about fundamentals winning games. For the other team that is.

membengal
05-21-2006, 03:34 PM
Put me down for HUGELY irritated at Dunn bunting in the 9th. Dunn's power against the straight hittable 91 mph fastball of Jones? The Reds did a huge favor for the Tigers there. HUGE.

Frustrating game. Frustrating two games. Frustrating.

membengal
05-21-2006, 03:35 PM
If Harang had given up 1 run without an error by himself maybe I'd feel sorry for him getting a loss with 1 run given up in 8. As it is, he lost the game himself with his weak no effort throw in the 8th to 1st base.

Yes, by all means it is absolutely inexcusable to not drive a run in with runners on 2nd & 3rd with no out for the Reds, but Harang lost all sympathy with his throw to 1st.

Right. Because giving up one run is a huge sin. No sympathy for you Harang. Next time throw a perfect game and drive in the only run for your team, otherwise sympathy is for sissies...

ukwazoo
05-21-2006, 03:35 PM
Glad to see Narron's constant preaching about fundamentals winning games. For the other team that is.

Someone needs to point out to JN that it is actually legal to attempt a steal before there are 2 strikes on the batter. Also, if you're not confident enough to let LaRue hit to end the game, then why not try a squeeze play with him in the 7th?

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:35 PM
If Harang had given up 1 run without an error by himself maybe I'd feel sorry for him getting a loss with 1 run given up in 8. As it is, he lost the game himself with his weak no effort throw in the 8th to 1st base.

Yes, by all means it is absolutely inexcusable to not drive a run in with runners on 2nd & 3rd with no out for the Reds, but Harang lost all sympathy with his throw to 1st.
If Harang doesn't throw the ball away it's going bottom 9.

Please don't anyone bash Harang for this loss. He threw a gem and if the Reds had cashed in on a few of those opps, the error wouldn't mean anything.

Redhook
05-21-2006, 03:36 PM
Put me down for HUGELY irritated at Dunn bunting in the 9th. Dunn's power against the straight hittable 91 mph fastball of Jones? The Reds did a huge favor for the Tigers there. HUGE.

Frustrating game. Frustrating two games. Frustrating.

As much as I would like to see Dunn every once in awhile lay a bunt down to reverse the shift, that was absolutely the last thing I expected to see with him up there. Not the right time. At all. Not even close.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:37 PM
Someone needs to point out to JN that it is actually legal to attempt a steal before there are 2 strikes on the batter. Also, if you're not confident enough to let LaRue hit to end the game, then why not try a squeeze play with him in the 7th?
Good point, but if he wants to pinch hit JV for LaRue with the gameon the line, then why doesn't JV play more than one game per week?

My guess is that JV will see some more time coming up.

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 03:37 PM
If Harang had given up 1 run without an error by himself maybe I'd feel sorry for him getting a loss with 1 run given up in 8. As it is, he lost the game himself with his weak no effort throw in the 8th to 1st base.

Yes, by all means it is absolutely inexcusable to not drive a run in with runners on 2nd & 3rd with no out for the Reds, but Harang lost all sympathy with his throw to 1st.

I disagree. I'll take a pitcher who gives up 1 run over 8 innings... and he can be responsible for that run with an error every time. If that pitcher does not win 20 games, then someone had better make a personal trip to the Louisville Slugger plant and see what is up with the REDS bat production.

Despite his error, he played a great game today. He DID NOT lose the game. He gave his team a great chance to win it and THE TEAM failed.

Kc61
05-21-2006, 03:37 PM
Back to back games... defense loses it for the reds.

Well, they only got 3 hits. Not usually a formula for winning. Walks are great, but you can't win with 3 hits.

Some of the offensive players on this team have good numbers but just are not winning players. They don't hit when it counts. A guy like Phillips, while not a gifted hitter, seems to have a knack for making good contact with men on base. Some of the Reds' main guys seem to press in those spots and usually lose the battle.

Also, don't see Dunn bunting in the ninth. Move guy over to second for what? Nobody was getting any hits to knock him in. Would have rather seen Dunn go for broke.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 03:38 PM
As much as I would like to see Dunn every once in awhile lay a bunt down to reverse the shift, that was absolutely the last thing I expected to see with him up there. Not the right time. At all. Not even close.
Disagree...we need one run there and no one should be immune to a bunt situation. If Dunn's average was .320 instead of .220 I would agree. But the odds were not in his favor there.

Redmachine2003
05-21-2006, 03:40 PM
Someone also needs to show these hitters that if you continue to try and pull that outside pitch you will hit weak ground balls over and over and over again. Come guys go the other way if they continue to pitch you outside and with a runner at 3rd with less than two outs it is a must.

Redhook
05-21-2006, 03:40 PM
As much as I like Narron I just cannot understand why the Reds aren't getting better at all the things Narron wants them to get better at? Is he not coaching them correctly? Are the players incompetent? I don't know. What I do know is this team plays like a little league team alot of the time.

alloverjr
05-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Just to clarify, Hatteberg pinch hit for LaRue, not Javier.

I also don't see why so many are getting worked up over a team that will struggle, despite the hot start, to win 75 games. With the late start for Castellini and Krivsky, this is a lost year. Evaluate and save your energy for '07.

Just my take.

ukwazoo
05-21-2006, 03:43 PM
Hatteberg is hitting .500 (3-6) lifetime against Jones. Valentin was 0-1. Why not give Hatteberg a try? Is he sick again?

KYRed
05-21-2006, 03:44 PM
Right. Because giving up one run is a huge sin. No sympathy for you Harang. Next time throw a perfect game and drive in the only run for your team, otherwise sympathy is for sissies...

Try reading what's written before responding next time. Also try not misrepresenting what is said.

Jr's Boy
05-21-2006, 04:03 PM
This time last year the astros were 15 games out on an 8 game losing streak. And the Indians were below .500. Still plenty of baseball left.
They had Pettite,Oswalt,and Clemens too.

westofyou
05-21-2006, 04:05 PM
They had Pettite,Oswalt,and Clemens too.
And that makes a fellow proud to be an Astro.

edabbs44
05-21-2006, 04:06 PM
They had Pettite,Oswalt,and Clemens too.
And we have Burns, White and Shack. What's the difference?

EKURed
05-21-2006, 04:09 PM
Just to clarify, Hatteberg pinch hit for LaRue, not Javier.

I also don't see why so many are getting worked up over a team that will struggle, despite the hot start, to win 75 games. With the late start for Castellini and Krivsky, this is a lost year. Evaluate and save your energy for '07.

Just my take.


It was Valentin

KronoRed
05-21-2006, 04:10 PM
And we have Burns, White and Shack. What's the difference?
Talent? wins?

oneupper
05-21-2006, 04:11 PM
Talent? wins?

Only more than half of the time.

alloverjr
05-21-2006, 04:20 PM
It was Valentin

Well, I went to MLB.com and checked the box and it shows Valentin. If that's reality then:

A. I'm old and am losing my eye sight.
B. Javier has become a vampire and now only goes outside at night.
C. Javier has also discarded the uppercut swing he had.
D. All of the above.

BTW, only choice A is a given.

Redhook
05-21-2006, 04:40 PM
Well, I went to MLB.com and checked the box and it shows Valentin. If that's reality then:

A. I'm old and am losing my eye sight.
B. Javier has become a vampire and now only goes outside at night.
C. Javier has also discarded the uppercut swing he had.
D. All of the above.

BTW, only choice A is a given.

Valentine pinch hit for LaRue, not Hatteberg. I can't even believe we're discussing this.

Wheelhouse
05-21-2006, 07:54 PM
I'm not surprised with the Dunn bunt--the guy simply gets too distracted to perform (walk, hit or otherwise) with men on base and the Reds needed the guy moved over. Another Dunn whiff would have been worse. Sad.

GAC
05-21-2006, 07:57 PM
Im done with this team for a couple of days. They just make me mad and im too happy a person to get this bent out of shape.

I admire a man, especially a Reds fan, who can return to a normal state after only two days. :lol:

GAC
05-21-2006, 08:05 PM
Love your optimism, but we've been down this road before with the Reds. Well, sort of. The Astros spent the money for the pitching to push them over the top. Not sure what the Indians did. The Reds aren't going to spend the money this year to make the kind of run you're incinuating. The Reds' playoff run starts NOW, because if they're not in it at the All-Star break, fuh-get about it.

But our pitching is not currently the problem when Harang pitches a complete game loss 1-0. How many times have we seen our starting pitchers go deep into the game only to have our offense let us down with poor situational hitting, or a stupid mistake (costly error)?

There is still plenty of baseball left though.

Looking what this owner and GM have done up to this point, and some of the gutsy moves they have made (DFAing Williams for one) tells me they are not sitting on their hands.

We may not make it this year. But I bet by the end of the year we see a beter product on the field then we have in the past several years.

But right now they are simply in a rut.

TeamBoone
05-21-2006, 08:31 PM
But our pitching is not currently the problem when Harang pitches a complete game loss 1-0. How many times have we seen our starting pitchers go deep into the game only to have our offense let us down with poor situational hitting, or a stupid mistake (costly error)?

Ironic that the error today was Harang's, especially when he pitched such a great game. Sigh....

IIRC, a similar thing happened the last time he pitched.

Oh well, I'm still optimistic. The Reds are NOT getting blown out of the water, even though the numerous close losses are excruciatingly painful. All things considered, they played damned good against the team with the best record in baseball!

membengal
05-21-2006, 08:36 PM
Try reading what's written before responding next time. Also try not misrepresenting what is said.

I read what you wrote. You focused on the error he made and harped on it.

I am noting that his "sin" was magnified by the fact that the Reds didn't get him any runs. Perhaps you could start there, rather than complaining about the magnificent effort Harang turned in today being marred by his error. Of course it was, but the fact remains, it was the offense that cost them that game, pure and simple.

And save your lectures on reading comprehension.

GAC
05-21-2006, 08:37 PM
Ironic that the error today was Harang's, especially when he pitched such a great game. Sigh....

IIRC, a similar thing happened the last time he pitched.

Oh well, I'm still optimistic. The Reds are NOT getting blown out of the water, even though the numerous close losses are excruciatingly painful. All things considered, they played damned good against the team with the best record in baseball!

About a week or so ago, on one of the broadcasts, they showed the Reds win-loss % in warm weather (above 60 degrees). It was pretty darn good.

I'm an optimist to TB. I'll wait to resevere judgment on them until later this summer.

RedFanAlways1966
05-21-2006, 08:39 PM
About a week or so ago, on one of the broadcasts, they showed the Reds win-loss % in warm weather (above 60 degrees). It was pretty darn good.

I'm an optimist to TB. I'll wait to resevere judgment on them until later this summer.

A warm weather team? With "a few" warm weather fans?!?

GAC claims to be an optimist... no warm weather there! :beerme:

GAC
05-21-2006, 08:42 PM
A warm weather team? With "a few" warm weather fans?!?

GAC claims to be an optimist... no warm weather there! :beerme:

claims?

Son, have you seen my resume? :lol:

IslandRed
05-21-2006, 08:56 PM
As much as I like Narron I just cannot understand why the Reds aren't getting better at all the things Narron wants them to get better at? Is he not coaching them correctly? Are the players incompetent? I don't know. What I do know is this team plays like a little league team alot of the time.

Those guys have been playing baseball all their lives, and for the most part, they are what they are. Not saying there aren't "eureka" moments where a player can leap to a new level, but most players work hard and maximize their abilities just to get to the show. The typical ballplayer peaks somewhere in his late 20s, and I saw it recently argued that the development curve starts to flatten out around age 24. Improvement from that point on -- in any area -- is tough and incremental.

UGADaddy
05-21-2006, 11:42 PM
the man simply never improves..one slow curve on the outside part of the plate time after time after time...he should be embarrased that they pitched around kearns to get to him...then we get a deluge of statfreaks who continually defend him(i'm talkin about with risp)..here's a stat he missed that by 3 feet thats 36 inches,the wind that he creates when he swings and misses is 100mph

Fantastic post, my friend. However, you'll probably be negged about 20 points, because it doesn't worship the Sultan of Strikeout (SoS). Unfortunately, those "statfreaks" run this site, and negged me 23 points yesterday for a similar comment. Someday, we will be proven correct when ESPN Classic does a rundown of the top ten more overrated bafoons in baseball...

reds44
05-21-2006, 11:44 PM
Loved the Dunn HR. Nothing like a no-doubter from AD when we're up 7-0 with no one on in the fourth. Adam Dunn gets the most meaningless HRs/RBIs ever...


That was your post that I think you are talking about (at least that was the one I negged you for, and I am by no means a stat freak and I am very critical of Dunn). Your post was just uncalled for.

You deserved to be negged for that, and the posts weren't similar at all.

tbball10
05-22-2006, 12:13 AM
Those 2 posts were exactly alike, and if you were critical of Dunn, which you probably aren't with a name like reds44, you would agree with the argument that he hits a bunch of meaningless homeruns.

How was ugadaddys post uncalled for? It didn't use bad language or offend anyone, it simply stated the FACTS that Dunn only hits homeruns when the game is already decided.

How 'bout that strikeout in the 4th with the bases loaded...That happens time and time again. I don't know why a pitcher would throw him anything but a breaking ball low and away, because I've never seen him hit one.

TeamBoone
05-22-2006, 12:17 AM
Those 2 posts were exactly alike, and if you were critical of Dunn, which you probably aren't with a name like reds44, you would agree with the argument that he hits a bunch of meaningless homeruns.

How was ugadaddys post uncalled for? It didn't use bad language or offend anyone, it simply stated the FACTS that Dunn only hits homeruns when the game is already decided.

How 'bout that strikeout in the 4th with the bases loaded...That happens time and time again. I don't know why a pitcher would throw him anything but a breaking ball low and away, because I've never seen him hit one.

I know you think Adam Dunn stinks.... and yet you think he's good enough to be able to pick and choose when he hits HRs? If it were that easy, he (and everyone else) would hit one every at bat.

tbball10
05-22-2006, 12:18 AM
I know you think Adam Dunn stinks.... and yet you think he's good enough to be able to pick and choose when he hits HRs? If it were that easy, he (and everyone else) would hit one every at bat.

Some people can hit in the clutch and some can't, and he can't.

TeamBoone
05-22-2006, 12:19 AM
05/21/2006 5:05 PM ET

Harang, Reds fall late in pitchers' duel
Cincinnati manages only three hits against Detroit
By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com

DETROIT -- This was a game the Reds had to have.
In the seventh, it was a run they had to score. And in the eighth, it was a throw to first base that pitcher Aaron Harang had to make.

Cincinnati instead came up empty on all counts on Sunday, and it felt even emptier as a result.

Harang's complete-game performance was rendered moot when his throwing error led to the only run of the game. Pinch-hitter Placido Polanco's RBI single dealt the Reds a harsh, 1-0 loss to the Tigers.

After taking the first game of this series, the Reds have been dealt back-to-back heartbreakers. They came back from a 5-1 deficit on Saturday on Ken Griffey Jr.'s grand slam only to lose the game in extra innings.

"It might feel worse right now than it did last night, to be honest with you," Reds manager Jerry Narron said.

Dueling Tigers lefty Nate Robertson, who gave up three hits over 7 1/3 scoreless innings, Harang was sensational. But two mistakes cost the right-hander in the bottom of the eighth.

First, Harang (5-3) lost leadoff hitter Brandon Inge to a five-pitch walk -- his only free pass allowed in the game. Next batter Vance Wilson dropped a sacrifice bunt to the first base side of the mound that got past Harang, who had to chase it down.

Although Harang had plenty of time, he rushed a backhanded toss that completely missed first baseman Rich Aurilia. The error put the runners on the corners.

With two outs, Polanco's notched his base hit past Aurilia's reach, easily scoring Inge.

"That throw cost me the game," said Harang, who allowed five hits while striking out nine over eight innings. At one point, he retired 15-straight batters.

"I tried to backhand it," Harang continued. "It caught the end of my glove and got away. I thought it was going to be a really close play. I was trying to get it there as fast as I could. I just didn't make a good throw."

The run went down as earned, because the official scorer ruled Inge would have likely scored from second on Polanco's hit anyway.

It was the second time in two starts an error cost Harang. On Tuesday at Pittsburgh, a misfired throw to second base for a would-be double play led to four unearned runs.

Still, not all blame should fall on Harang. He should have entered the eighth inning with the lead.

Chances to get on the scoreboard against Robertson were wasted in the seventh and eighth innings. After Adam Dunn's leadoff single to right field in the seventh, Edwin Encarnacion lined a double to the wall in left-center field that put runners on second and third with no outs.

The next three batters simply didn't get it done.

With the Tigers infield playing in, Jason LaRue's ground ball to third base kept the runners in place. Brandon Phillips followed with another grounder to third that had Inge throwing home. Catcher Vance Wilson quickly applied a tag before sidestepping the 6-foot-6, 275-pound Dunn as he barreled across the plate.

Ryan Freel grounded out, also to Inge at third base, ending the inning.

"We have to get one of those runs in somehow, some way," Freel said. "We just didn't execute it, and it cost us the game."

Another opportunity came in the eighth when Felipe Lopez drew a leadoff walk before Ken Griffey Jr. flew out. After reliever Fernando Rodney (3-1) replaced Robertson, Lopez was caught trying to steal second base and Aurilia grounded out.

Cincinnati put the leadoff runner on in the ninth against closer Todd Jones. The power-hitting Dunn, the potential go-ahead run, surprised everyone with a sacrifice bunt. It worked, but the next two batters were retired by Jones, who notched his 13th save.

"For us to win, we've got to play the game fundamentally right," Narron said. "We've got to do the little things. We can not play stupid baseball. Today we did not [play fundamentally] at the end of the ballgame. It's as simple as that."

With the loss, the Reds missed a chance to go .500 on a six-game road trip that began badly. A struggling last-place Pirates team convincingly defeated the Reds' two best starters, Harang and Bronson Arroyo on Tuesday and Wednesday. In the final game at PNC Park on Thursday, Dave Williams fell into a 6-0 first-inning hole before the offense snapped its two-week funk and pulled off a big come-from-behind win. Williams was designated for assignment on Saturday.

A big offensive output guided Friday's 9-4 series-opening win over first-place Detroit, which had the best record in baseball. But a chance to take the series went awry on Saturday night when David Weathers blew a 6-5 save opportunity with two outs in the ninth.

It's added up to three consecutive series losses for Cincinnati.

"I think the way we've been playing, it hasn't been really good," Freel said. "I think we're just beating ourselves."

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060521&content_id=1464782&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin

TeamBoone
05-22-2006, 12:20 AM
Some people can hit in the clutch and some can't, and he can't.

You're right; some aren't good in the clutch. But that certainly shouldn't negate the things he does well.

UGADaddy
05-22-2006, 12:27 AM
What exactly is it that he does well? I know he walks and hits bombs (but only when the game is out of hand one way or the other), but what is it that he brings to the table that helps the Reds win ballgames? I know it's not his defense or speed. So tell us, what is it?

pedro
05-22-2006, 12:29 AM
What exactly is it that he does well? I know he walks and hits bombs (but only when the game is out of hand one way or the other), but what is it that he brings to the table that helps the Reds win ballgames? I know it's not his defense or speed. So tell us, what is it?

Here's a log of Dunn's "meaningless" HR's this year and the Reds score after it happened. (number of runs scored on HR in parenthesis, score displayed Reds first)

1. (1) 4-5
2. (1) 5-3
3. (1) 2-0
4. (1) 4-0
5. (1) 1-0
6. (1) 1-0
7. (2) 3-2
8. (2) 2-0
9. (2) 2-3
10.(1) 1-2
11. (1) 5-1
12 (2) 3-0
13. (2) 2- 2
14. (1) 8-0

Reds record when AD goes yard 9-4.

Patrick Bateman
05-22-2006, 12:32 AM
How was ugadaddys post uncalled for? It didn't use bad language or offend anyone, it simply stated the FACTS that Dunn only hits homeruns when the game is already decided.


It was a completely false post that had no FACTS to it. It was meant to poke fun at Dunn even though it was completely baseless. I have no problem with people saying Dunn isn't great shakes, but you better have something to back up what you are saying or else you are going to look silly.

Patrick Bateman
05-22-2006, 12:33 AM
What exactly is it that he does well? I know he walks and hits bombs (but only when the game is out of hand one way or the other), but what is it that he brings to the table that helps the Reds win ballgames? I know it's not his defense or speed. So tell us, what is it?

What doesn't he do well?


Dunn gets on base a lot, and has great power. The 2 biggest requirements for a hitter. If you like those things, why not like Dunn? It's really that easy.

UGADaddy
05-22-2006, 12:40 AM
I'm not sure what "great shakes" means, but I do know this: I don't feel the need to post facts everytime I give a post. (And apparently neither do you, seeing as though there are none in the post above.) But I think we all know and understand what I meant, and that is that Adam Dunn hits HRs when it doesn't mean anything. I'm not sure if pedro has his stats correct, but assuming he does, Im glad that everyone is praising his nine solo shots, especially the ones when his team is up 8-0. (Question for pedro: Is that the score as of the HR or at the end of the game?) Fianal statement: I agree with tbball10 on his assessment that some players can hit when it counts and some simply cannot, and Adam Dunn is one that plain cannot.

westofyou
05-22-2006, 12:42 AM
what is it that he brings to the table that helps the Reds win ballgames?He only makes an out 63% of the time he walks to the plate. when he hits the ball he compiles bases at great rate.

Here are the best Reds in getting extra base hits and total bases in a season since 1980.

CINCINNATI REDS
SEASON
1980-2006
AGE displayed only--not a sorting criteria

EXTRA BASE HITS YEAR EBH AGE
T1 Dave Parker 1985 80 34
T1 Adam Dunn 2004 80 24
3 Adam Dunn 2005 77 25
T4 Reggie Sanders 1995 70 27
T4 Sean Casey 1999 70 24
T4 Sean Casey 2004 70 29
7 Barry Larkin 1996 69 32
8 Greg Vaughn 1999 67 33
9 Aaron Boone 2002 66 29
T10 Chris Sabo 1990 65 28
T10 Dave Parker 1986 65 35
T10 Ken Griffey Jr. 2000 65 30
T10 Ken Griffey Jr. 2005 65 35

TOTAL BASES YEAR TB AGE
1 Dave Parker 1985 350 34
2 Adam Dunn 2004 323 24
3 Sean Casey 1999 320 24
4 Sean Casey 2004 305 29
5 Dave Parker 1986 304 35
T6 Chris Sabo 1991 294 29
T6 Greg Vaughn 1999 294 33
T8 Barry Larkin 1996 293 32
T8 Adam Dunn 2005 293 25
10 Ken Griffey Jr. 2000 289 30

pedro
05-22-2006, 01:20 AM
I'm not sure what "great shakes" means, but I do know this: I don't feel the need to post facts everytime I give a post. (And apparently neither do you, seeing as though there are none in the post above.) But I think we all know and understand what I meant, and that is that Adam Dunn hits HRs when it doesn't mean anything. I'm not sure if pedro has his stats correct, but assuming he does, Im glad that everyone is praising his nine solo shots, especially the ones when his team is up 8-0. (Question for pedro: Is that the score as of the HR or at the end of the game?) Fianal statement: I agree with tbball10 on his assessment that some players can hit when it counts and some simply cannot, and Adam Dunn is one that plain cannot.

The score is after his HR and it proves that your assertion is wrong. You should go back and look at all of last year and you'll see that your statement doesn't hold up in regards to 2005 either.

Patrick Bateman
05-22-2006, 02:11 AM
I'm not sure what "great shakes" means, but I do know this: I don't feel the need to post facts everytime I give a post. (And apparently neither do you, seeing as though there are none in the post above.) But I think we all know and understand what I meant, and that is that Adam Dunn hits HRs when it doesn't mean anything. I'm not sure if pedro has his stats correct, but assuming he does, Im glad that everyone is praising his nine solo shots, especially the ones when his team is up 8-0. (Question for pedro: Is that the score as of the HR or at the end of the game?) Fianal statement: I agree with tbball10 on his assessment that some players can hit when it counts and some simply cannot, and Adam Dunn is one that plain cannot.

Do I really need to keep rehashing the same stats that have been provided a million times on this site? We all know the stats and they have yet to be disproven.

UGADaddy
05-22-2006, 08:30 AM
You want a stat? Here's a stat: Adam Dunn hits .156 with RISP with a .333 OBP (according to CBS Sportsline). (Hey, I thought AD was Mr. OBP??) The Tigers knew that, and that's why they pitched around Kearns (.300 AVG, .423 OBP) yesterday with the bases loaded.

OnBaseMachine
05-22-2006, 08:33 AM
You want a stat? Here's a stat: Adam Dunn hits .156 with RISP with a .333 OBP (according to CBS Sportsline). (Hey, I thought AD was Mr. OBP??) The Tigers knew that, and that's why they pitched around Kearns (.300 AVG, .423 OBP) yesterday with the bases loaded.

Ummm....NO.

RH hitters OPS .751 vs Robertson compared to just .551 against LH hitters. But don't let facts get in the way of your rant eh?

westofyou
05-22-2006, 10:02 AM
You want a stat? Here's a stat: Adam Dunn hits .156 with RISP with a .333 OBP (according to CBS Sportsline). (Hey, I thought AD was Mr. OBP??) The Tigers knew that, and that's why they pitched around Kearns (.300 AVG, .423 OBP) yesterday with the bases loaded.
Address the stats that dispute your ongoing rant before introducing other rants.

Blimpie
05-22-2006, 10:25 AM
You want a stat? Here's a stat: Adam Dunn hits .156 with RISP with a .333 OBP (according to CBS Sportsline). (Hey, I thought AD was Mr. OBP??) The Tigers knew that, and that's why they pitched around Kearns (.300 AVG, .423 OBP) yesterday with the bases loaded.
http://www.saulmoran.com/strawman.jpg

Silly me...and I thought your point was that he only homered when the score was meaningless.

UGADaddy
05-23-2006, 12:15 AM
Sorry, my fellow Reds fans, but this is not a "new rant" but simply reasoning behind my original argument--not just that AD hits when the score was meaningless, but not (see my last post in the last page) "when it counts". (AKA when ducks are on the pond)

As for the address with the stats, I told you it was cbssportsline, but here's the official address: http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/players/player/splits/2006/174678.

(And to Brother Blimp: nice touch with the pic. Professional, not to mention downright cute...)

TeamBoone
05-23-2006, 01:35 AM
Sorry, my fellow Reds fans, but this is not a "new rant" but simply reasoning behind my original argument--not just that AD hits when the score was meaningless, but not (see my last post in the last page) "when it counts". (AKA when ducks are on the pond)

This is pointless and getting really really old.

KYRed
05-23-2006, 01:44 AM
I read what you wrote. You focused on the error he made and harped on it.

I am noting that his "sin" was magnified by the fact that the Reds didn't get him any runs. Perhaps you could start there, rather than complaining about the magnificent effort Harang turned in today being marred by his error. Of course it was, but the fact remains, it was the offense that cost them that game, pure and simple.

And save your lectures on reading comprehension.

In your original response you greatly exaggerated what I wrote and then try to act as if you didn't. Of course the team needs to provide support to the starters but there's a difference between simply giving up a few hits and carelessly tossing to first for an error late in the game. Harang admitted as much after the game.